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MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby nam » 01 Nov 2017 02:35

A very interesting video, specially the talk by Data Patterns MD. He tells how the industry cannot own the IP, even if it was created by them!


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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby Gagan » 03 Nov 2017 21:25

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Funding programs is the product of lengthy program studies, with expected costs included each step of the way. It can't be any other way, otherwise CAG will breathe fire.
This probably has to be submitted in triplicate,

Funds release after jumping through a series of minefields at the MOD and MOF and Once a month meeting of the defence minister (If the defence minister is in town on the fateful day, and if the agenda for the meeting is not otherwise full for the meeting) is a another hoop to jump through.
If the defence minister is out of town, or if someone pushes some other procurement related item into the agenda for the day, this will again get shafted to the next month.

The timeline given above are just approximations.

The Babus, play havoc by quoting the rule book and styming and delaying everything - EVERYTHING, to the fullest extent of their abilities. The babus get a rash, the moment they see a uniformed officer or jawan. The sight of an upright person, who is willing to lay down his life for the nation does not go too well with a potbellied, lazy, inefficient and corrupt babu.

UPA defence ministers are sent in with one agenda - fill the party's coffers for the next election. Period. Running the ministry is only incidental.

Put everything into the mix, and one should be grateful that things even get approved at all !

Once approved, the ministry will refund unused funds to the min of finance.

At the DRDO level, tendering is a triplicate process involving all sorts of laws and bylaws, including contract negotiation (likely even or a ball point pen) and avoiding a single vendor situation - I'll bet they don't procure ball point pens if only one supplier responds. God help us all !!!!!
Programs are R&D, and so unexpected things and problems crop up. This arachic system is just not geared to handle this, and funding, procurement, equipment supplies all get in the way of running a smooth program.

Case in point - when HAL paid for the HHT-40 out of its own finances, see how quickly the program came to first flight! They were able to bypass many of these steps.

(Apologies in advance for the typos - my computer has surely been taken over by the Chinese or the NSA, and is buggy and slow)

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby nam » 03 Nov 2017 23:41

With HAL getting listed, hopefully they don't have to go to MOD for things like 1500 crores for setting up second lines. I really hope HAL invests the market funds in improving it's R&D and speeding up production capabilities.

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby ShauryaT » 09 Nov 2017 07:55

Indian Army builds defence against outdated technology

The move to amend defence procurement manual (DPM) by adding a separate chapter on tech products — a long standing demand of the industry — will significantly speed up the process of the defence forces procuring and implementing the latest technology, people aware of the development said. At present, defence procurement takes years, sometimes up to a decade, they said.

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby ramana » 09 Nov 2017 08:01

Adding more paper wont solve the real problem of file pushing and delays.

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby JayS » 09 Nov 2017 11:56

nam wrote:A very interesting video, specially the talk by Data Patterns MD. He tells how the industry cannot own the IP, even if it was created by them!



I have pointed this exact same issue when that GTRE new Fan development tender came out. They wanted to retain all the IP. That's a ridiculous expectation. No one is gonna come to work with hi tech JVs if DRDO/HAL has such idiotic conditions. Even HAL's tenders for HTFE/HTSE have had such conditions which would be unacceptable to private companies. Now I am sure many private companies themselves do the same think while putting tenders out. But defense is special area and it needs to be dealt with in a different manner. When you have a proper MIC with Tier-1/2/3 companies its easy to deal with IP issues because in such case OEM can off-load modules fully to the Tier1/2 companies who do not have to share any technology with OEM, all they have to do it supply manufactured product which satisfies all technical specifications. We don't have it. So what we need is DRDO/DPSUs to let go IP. That's a way of government subsidizing the MIC creation. GOI has to do it.

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby jaysimha » 25 Dec 2017 16:42

one kumbh mela happened. As usual No coverage from DD media
(Posting for info only )
INAUGURAL SEMINAR ON SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEM STATEMENTS

https://indianarmy.nic.in/makeinindia/P ... t%2017.pdf

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby jaysimha » 25 Dec 2017 16:44

https://indianarmy.nic.in/makeinindia/M ... %20New.pdf

second Seminar on ‘MAKE’ projects for Indian Army is being held on 12 Aug 17 at India Habitat Centre, Lodhi Road, New Delhi jointly under aegis of Indian Army and CII.
( old one MBD - if -RP)

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby JayS » 10 Jan 2018 11:51

Presentation by HAL on "Procurement and Vendor Development". Info on HAL's strategy of outsourcing, processes, and some examples that they want to out-sources and some success stories.

http://www.hal-india.com/Common/Uploads ... eminar.pdf

Lot of other interesting stuff here. Processes, systems/components available to take up and more.

http://www.hal-india.com/Make%20In%20India/M__273

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby jaysimha » 14 Jan 2018 22:07

https://mod.gov.in/sites/default/files/payallow.pdf

hi all,,,, came across one love letter on MOD website.

PAY and allowances of retired / released armed forces officers on re-employment in armed forces.


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