MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

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Re: MoD:Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions

Postby ramana » 05 Jun 2018 02:23

Shoddy article to give her C for achievement in 8 months.
Sad agenda driven article.

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Postby Austin » 05 Jun 2018 17:46

MOD NS Press Conference Today


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Postby Austin » 06 Jun 2018 11:56

In a blow to private defence firms, govt will not subsidise development of new weaponry

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/06/ ... -govt.html

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Postby jaysimha » 07 Jun 2018 18:22

http://pib.nic.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1534806

Ministry of Defence
DAC approves Equipment Acquisition proposals for Defence forces worth over Rs 5500 Crore
Posted On: 07 JUN 2018 5:59PM by PIB Delhi

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, met here today and accorded approval for the procurement of equipment for the Defence Forces valued at over Rs 5500 crore.

Pursuing the goal of indigenisation and self-reliance in the field of Defence Procurements, the DAC approved procurement of

12 High Power Radars for the Indian Air Force under ‘Buy (Indian) IDDM’ category. The radars will provide long range medium and high altitude radar cover with the capability to detect and track high speed targets following parabolic trajectories. Technologically superior, the radars will have the capability to scan 360° without mechanical rotation of Antenna and will operate on 24 x 7 basis with minimal maintenance requirement. Their procurement will enhance the overall efficacy of the Air Defence network in the country.

Air Cushion Vehicles (ACVs) for the Indian Coast Guard and Indian Army from Indian Shipyard. These vessels would offer great advantage over conventional boats/crafts with their ability to travel at very high speeds over shallow water, sand banks, mud flats and swamps which are non-navigable by boats/small crafts due to draught restrictions/uncharted depths. These craft offer capability enhancement for the Services, and would prove useful for amphibious/ riverine operations, especially where there is a requirement to move men and material from one island to another island, across riverine terrain, creeks etc.

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Postby jaysimha » 11 Jun 2018 10:35

http://www.ofbindia.gov.in/download/Press_Release.pdf

OFB press release related to
MSME representatives raising concerns regarding cancellation of orders by OFB

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Postby jaysimha » 13 Jun 2018 13:49

Approved by DDP vide MoD ID No. 2(4)/2016/Empowering OFB/DP (Plg-III),
dtd. 12 March 2018
Ordnance Factories Board OFB
Guidelines for Selection of Technology Partner
http://www.makeinindiadefence.gov.in/DDP%20Approved%20guidelines%20for%20selection%20of%20tech%20partner.pdf

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Postby Prasad » 13 Jun 2018 14:00

I think this goes here -

Saurav Jha caught up with @drajaykumar_ias , Secretary, Department of Defence Production, Ministry of Defence, for a free wheeling chat on indigenization, innovation& progress made in enhancing the role of the private sector in defence production.

http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2018/ ... ction/amp/

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Postby jaysimha » 19 Jun 2018 12:11

Status of Banned / Tender Holiday declared vendors
As on 01 May2018
https://www.hslvizag.in/WriteReadData/userfiles/file/vendor/2018_05_01_Banned_Vendors_List.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 20 Jun 2018 11:56

http://mes.gov.in/imggi/CELEBRATION%20OF%20INTERNATIONAL%20DAY%20OF%20YOGA%202018%20ON%2021%20JUN%202018.PDF

celebration of International Day of Yoga 2018 on 21 June 2018
Happy yoga day to one and all.

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Postby jaysimha » 02 Jul 2018 12:43

Ministry of Defence
Department of Defence Production
Department of Defence Production has identified a list of 60 items which would
be brought under purchase preference. The minimum percentage of value addition for
each of these items has been notified which make them eligible for purchase preference
vide Notification No.59011/8/2015-D(HAL-II) Dated: 29th June, 2018.
https://ddpmod.gov.in/sites/default/files/List%20of%20Local%20Content%20of%20Identified%20(1).pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 10 Jul 2018 11:01

quite dated document
http://www.makeinindiadefence.gov.in/Marching%20towards%20self%20reliant%20inner%20pages_4-7-17.pdf
2017 compilation of Department of defence production achievement

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Postby ramana » 10 Jul 2018 20:53

Vidur, Are you still with us? and in the same department?

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Postby Philip » 11 Jul 2018 14:12

This is a b*tch of a piece,firing at past and present incumbents,but does contain some home truths and some casual statements that don't bear out,but pl. don't shoot the messenger! In my opinion,the fundamental of any defence strategy with respect to acquisitions ,R&D,etc. is the defence budget.
The Indian defence budget is too little to meet the overall needs of the services as well as energising desi R&D to reduce foreign imports,etc. Any govt. that really means business MUST raise the defence budget substantially as there is no alternative.The numbers and capability of the services is dangerously being affected with shortages of capital eqpt.to increase numbers,replacements for obsolete eqpt.spares and ammo,etc.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion ... lanes.html
Tall talk, zero action on buying guns, warplanes

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Postby Karan M » 11 Jul 2018 20:10

Philip wrote:This is a b*tch of a piece
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion ... lanes.html
Yes, language apart, clearly indicates the quality of the piece.

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Postby dinesh_kimar » 11 Jul 2018 22:43

^ The budget is only half the story.

IA wanted an ARV for their T-72, so went to Poland, and bought WZT-2 and -3. About 550 vehicles.

How did Poland develop the WZT vehicle? No budget was allocated. So the Poles sold all their 50-60 super duper T-72 to other clients.
With the money generated from selling T-72, they could develop and provide India with the Required ARVs.

The above is not a new story to us, every village in India has similar stories.

Why can't India leverage technical skills and make do with old equipment?
Certainly numerous examples exist in Israel (M4 half tracks, and uses captured equipment extensively - AK rifle, GRAD 122mm, T-55 APC, I have a pic of their army chief wearing a Palestinian sweater over his uniform, from a batch captured in a raid), Poland (T-55 Twardy instead of T-72), Germany (Leapord 2 ARV based on old Leapord 1). Even US uses a rebuilt M14 rifle.

Why are we importing 14k sniper rifles? Why not consider FN FAL modification with scopes, say 13k no's. from old stocks, and import only 1k ?

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Postby ramana » 19 Jul 2018 01:01

X-post...

dinesha wrote:MoD plans standard price lists for public sector undertakings
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/07/ ... s-for.html
However, reducing prices might not be so easy, say defence industry experts. It is well-known in the international defence trade that buying weaponry over-the-counter from large international “original equipment manufacturers” (OEMs) is invariably cheaper than building the same equipment in the buyer country. That is because the OEM has already set up a production line and partially or completely amortized the development costs. However, the buyer country would additionally have to pay for technology transfer, establishing a production line, transhipping raw materials and the time and effort needed to establish production in India



Something is cooking in MoD.

What they will find is the piecemeal process of buying defence equipment and ad-hoc requirements for the forces drive supply chain costs sky high.

One result of this costing exercise could be better planning process of the demand for major equipment for all the services.

BTW that senior defence official probably never even bought groceries and left that to his peon to do it.

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Postby Indranil » 19 Jul 2018 05:10

Lateral entry into civil services: Why the Ministry of Defence needs it the most

By Lt Gen PR Shankar @palepurshankar | 2018-07-16 16:30:14
MoD desperately needs people who have served in the Armed Forces, instead of IAS officers brought in from other departments.

I would generalize it to MoD needs subject matter experts.

I once led a delegation to the USA to carry out a maintenance evaluation of the 155-mm Ultra Light Howitzer (ULH). It was a multidisciplinary team consisting of representatives from Artillery (users), EME (maintainers), DGQA (quality controllers) and the MoD. A director from the MoD acquisition wing was detailed. He was a genuinely good officer with whom I had dealt with. We all landed in their artillery school in Fort Sill to evaluate the Howitzer on the mandated aspects.

In our initial meeting, we introduced ourselves to the US team. We gave out our respective backgrounds. It was then that I came to know that this director was a veterinarian and from animal husbandry background. The Americans were bursting blood vessels, but kept poker faces during the discussion. I have always since wondered as to who selected a veterinary officer to handle capital procurement cases for the Army.

That selecting officer was a genius in the Alfred E Neuman class. If you are wondering who Alfred E Neuman is, he was the hero of MAD comics of my era. Well, that director did what he could and did it extremely well, due to his other good qualities of the heart. I always admired him for that. But I have also always blamed the system for choosing a veterinary officer for that post. No wonder our procurement is poor.

Anyway, that is history. It is now a part of our records that a veterinarian had a hand in assessing the maintainability of the 155-mm ULH for Indian conditions. The moral — even veterinarians can procure guns for India. Who needs Army officers?

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Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2018 04:42

Update by Ajai Shukla

https://t.co/qZccL56Fn6?amp=1

Essentially


On Friday, addressing an Indian Air Force (IAF) – defence industry seminar in New Delhi, Kumar highlighted the scale of the problem. “Last year, the total production by defence PSUs (public sector undertakings) and OFB (Ordnance Factory Board) was about Rs 59,000 crore, of which Rs 138 billion (Rs 13,800 crore) was the value of imported components. That is roughly 24 per cent. But when we look at Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), out of Rs 172 billion (Rs 17,200 crore) of production, Rs 70 billion (Rs 7,000 crore) was imported components -- nearly 40 per cent.”

The situation was even bleaker four years ago, said Kumar. “This 40 per cent [import content] today was 48 per cent in 2014-15. So we have been able to progressively reduce it. But significant work still needs to be done,” he said.


And


To address this problem, Kumar proposed a national effort to obtain three categories of technology, which would spur growth in aeronautical manufacture. First, India needed to leverage its position as the world’s fastest growing civil aviation market – with a demand of 850-1,000 civil airliners – to extract key technologies from vendors seeking to supply to India.

“Looking at our combined market size [of civil and defence aircraft] – and these engines will require maintenance, replacements etc. – we should lay down a roadmap for developing an aero engine manufacturing eco-system in the country”, said Kumar.


Kumar admitted this would not be possible without the government driving it.

This was precisely the strategy used by China, when it was the fastest growing market for airliners, to promote aerospace manufacture in that country. Beijing managed to arm-twist Airbus into establishing a production line in China, but it is still grappling with aero engine manufacture.

The second technology domain that Kumar wants focus on is materials technology.[b] “This involves various kinds of composite materials, various kinds of super alloys, single crystalline alloys, etc. These technologies again will require significant investments in many cases, and significant scale or operations.”

This again is a path that Beijing traversed while building its high-speed rail network. By making it compulsory for railway carriage manufacturers to set up shop in that country, Beijing obtained advanced materials technologies that it then adapted to aerospace and missile production.

Kumar’s[b] third requirement is computer chip technology.
“Whether it is a silicon chip, whether it is a LCD or LED chip, whether it is a gallium nitride chip, this constitutes most of the value that goes into the aircraft, or for that matter any defence platform. This has not just economic considerations, but also security and strategic aspects. As long as we are importing most of these chips, we are exposing ourselves to vulnerabilities that are not visible to the naked eye,” he said.

Setting up production of aero engines, high-tech materials and computer chips in India, however requires manufacture on a global scale, for which, the defence production secretary said he had “streamlined, rationalised and simplified” the export policy.

“No export request is pending for more than 30 days in the ministry. Repeat orders, do not require even 30 days, they are done literally across the table,” said Kumar.



Some of the top engineers in US in all three focus areas are from India.

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Postby Neshant » 29 Jul 2018 09:08

India is well behind the curve on AI.

It will be blindsided by China first on the economic and then the military front.

Another 1962 moment is in the making.

That issue aside, some privacy laws may need to be sacrificed to build-up large datasets.

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Trump White House panicked about China's investment in AI


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Postby Neshant » 29 Jul 2018 09:13

Austin wrote:In a blow to private defence firms, govt will not subsidise development of new weaponry

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/06/ ... -govt.html


But they will subsidize foreign scientists & engineers with massive purchases of foreign armaments.

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Postby pankajs » 29 Jul 2018 09:19

^^
This post should not have been in the "Procurement" thread.

And please listen, re-listen and re-re listen starting @ 3:15 to understanding what this so called "Artificial Intelligence" really is and then try to educate us how it will help China leapfrog over India in the "military" field.

Do we even listen/read what we post? We extrapolate without understanding the basic. I am no expert on pretty much anything but one listen is all it took and I am not even making any reference to any material outside the linked video.

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Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2018 22:06

72 Offset partnerships from Rafale buy.

https://twitter.com/nitingokhale/status ... 21891?s=19

We should soon see some serious Make in India in military gear.

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Postby SaiK » 30 Jul 2018 00:32

Government to unveil key policy next month to make India defence manufacturing hub

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 186605.cms

NEW DELHI: The government is likely to unveil a major policy next month outlining a roadmap to build a robust defence production industry and make India one of the top five manufacturers of military equipment and platforms in the next 10 years.

Official sources said that final touches are being given to the policy before it is sent to the Union Cabinet for its approval.



Arms makers should be cost conscious: Defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman


They said a significant focus of the defence production policy (DPP-2018) will be to invest adequate resources to develop critical technology for manufacturing state-of-the-art military platforms including fighter jets, attack helicopters and weaponry indigenously.

The DPP-2018 is likely to be released next month, the sources said.

According to the draft policy, the government is looking at achieving a turnover of Rs 1,70,000 crore in military goods and services by 2025.

A Swedish think-tank, in a report in March, said India remained the largest importer of military hardware in the world in the last five years, adding Indian imports of major weapons rose by 111 per cent in the last five years compared to 2004-08.



Nirmala Sitharaman hands over 'Made in India' engines to Army


Officials said the aim of the DPP would be to indigenously develop all major platforms which are being imported since the last six decades.

According to the official figure, India inked 187 contracts worth Rs 2.40 lakh crore with foreign and domestic firms for various military equipment and weapons in the last four years. However, majority of the projects are yet to take off due to procedural delays.

Officials said the DPP is also likely to simplify the procurement process by cutting several layers of approval which often cause delays.

They said the policy aims to make India one of the top five manufacturers of defence platforms with active participation of public and private sectors.

The draft policy released in March listed the export of Rs 35,000 crore in military equipment and services by 2025 as its major objective.

The government identified 12 military platforms and weapons systems for production in India to achieve the aim of "self-reliance".


They are fighter aircraft, medium lift and utility helicopters, warships, land combat vehicles, missile systems, gun systems, small arms, ammunition and explosives, surveillance systems, electronic warfare (EW) systems and night fighting enablers, among others.

According to the policy, the government aims to make one of the top five manufacturers of military equipment and platforms in the next 10 years as well as to fulfill demand of other friendly countries.

The draft policy says the licensing process for defense industries will be liberalized and the list of items requiring licenses will be reviewed and pruned.

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Postby nam » 30 Jul 2018 00:43

DPSU cannot make India a major arms manufacturer and exporter, only private entities can. And the fundamental problem, there is no order for private companies.

There is no point making laws, when there companies don't have orders.

In the name of fairness, DPSU are allowed to bid for open contract, where they can quote random numbers. Any losses will be covered by MoD.

So all these DPP changes are pointless exercise.

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Postby SaiK » 30 Jul 2018 00:59

The manufacture will automatically happen if the user intends to use homegrown systems first. Simple equation.

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Postby ramana » 17 Oct 2018 06:58

Now that Indian Army is seriously considering reform are there any plans to reform the MoD?

i would like to start with an org chart of the MoD and its various branches. Maybe from wiki for a start.

Wiki : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_ ... nce_(India)

Gov site: https://mod.gov.in/

E-Book circa May 2018 showcasing key achievements:

https://mod.gov.in/ebook-2018/mod-ebook.html#p=1


Please read the 57 pages graphics book and get informed to comment.

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Postby ramana » 15 Nov 2018 00:40

Vidur, if you are still there, how does any weapons program for say Army begin?
How are the requirements set?
And who sets them?
What factors they choose?
Let us for example start with BPJ requirements?
Technical : has to stop a bullet of yxZZ and shrapnel etc. Proof by test.
Quantity requirements: Determines how many are procured over how many years? T
hen replenishment for damaged BPJs.
Annual procurement or total quantity decided and to be furnished annually

And logistics requirements to ensure the right troops get the gear.

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Postby ramana » 21 Nov 2018 00:32

Vidur?

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Postby ramana » 01 Dec 2018 01:19

Did the MoD report for 2017-2018 come out this year?

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Postby ks_sachin » 01 Dec 2018 02:25

ramana wrote:Vidur?

He has gone as have other knowledgeable people...

Signal to noise ratio!!!

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Postby JayS » 02 Dec 2018 15:05

ramana wrote:Did the MoD report for 2017-2018 come out this year?

I couldnt find it.

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Postby Karan M » 02 Dec 2018 21:18

ramana wrote:Did the MoD report for 2017-2018 come out this year?


It hasn't. Nor have any Parliamentary reports been updated beyond March 2018.
Electioneering and crisis management is the focus of the day!

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Postby ramana » 03 Dec 2018 04:38

Generally reports are compiled annually. Lets look.

You are right. They are behind.


https://mod.gov.in/dod/annual-reports

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Postby Karan M » 03 Dec 2018 05:11

No report laid on the table of the house either.
http://164.100.47.194/Loksabha/PapersLa ... slaid.aspx

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Postby jaysimha » 14 Dec 2018 12:03

Defence Innovation Organization is looking to hire up to 2 Project Directors and 4 Program
Executives for its iDEX team having experience in working with the armed forces, dealing with
acquisitions and procurement of technology, promoting innovation and entrepreneurship and
creating awareness at the grass root level.

http://www.makeinindiadefence.gov.in/
http://makeinindiadefence.gov.in/admin/ ... of_DIO.pdf


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