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Even if that were the case, I dont understand the rationale behind adding a new platform with all its associated infrastructure, when an existing fighter serves its purpose. Unless something is really wrong with the Gripen, Thailand should be adding more of those to rationalize cost. Sweden will also throw in some goodies (Globaleye etc), as it is in need of orders
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These are standard Gripen C/Ds and they only have a dozen so the cost of replacing them after 15-20 years is probably not all that great. They are also going to either need some fairly significant modernization, or a replacement by the more modern and capable Gripen E. In the latter case, the difference between the two is significant enough that they may as well seek another type. There need not be something wrong with the aircraft for users to want to replace them. They are simply outclassed by newer platforms (including those offered by SAAB) and are not very future proof. Because the Thai bought so few of them (original plans for closer 3 dozen) they don't likely have such a huge cost of a complete replacement with a new type. If they start to talk about a replacement in 2022 and order something in the mid 2020s they can expect to replace them by 2030 or so. That would put nearly 2 decades of them operating the Gripen Cs which would allow them to sell these back to Sweden or another user as they would have a decent amount of airframe time left on them. Also, this is an Air Force wish and not something the government has approved so none of it may actually happen as planned.
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ldev wrote: I am not sure of the relative form factor of the 40N6E (400 km missile) to the SM-3 11a but the SM-3 11a has exoatmospheric capability as well. Either the 40N6E achieves it's range via a ballistic profile or the issue is radar/signal processing. I am talking with specific reference to the relative engagement envelopes vs missile form factor.
You are comparing apples to oranges here. The SM-3 is a three stage exoatmospheric interceptor with a KV payload. 40N6E is a long range AAW interceptor that has terminal ballistic missile defense capability in the sub 30 km altitude space (at relatively short range and within a narrow band). All long range SAMs will loft to achieve their long range capability. SM-3 is essentially putting a KV into space, it isn't performing maneuvers inside the atmosphere or carrying a AAW warhead.

A good (and only) western comparisons for the 40N6E would be the SM-2 Blk 4 and the SM-6 IA which are two stage missiles with 350+ km range as an AAW capability and a sub 100 km range in the terminal ballistic missile mission.
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Among the S-400 missiles, the one that is most optimized as a SAM against fighter aircraft is the 9M96E2 with a relatively short range (in comparison) of 120 km (advertised) but can pull an advertised 30g. I could not find any literature on the g limits of the longer ranged 48N6 and 40N6 but all available literature indicates that their potential targets are large non-maneuverable aircraft like AWACs and tankers and so appear to have lower g limits.
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There is no reason to assume that they won't be able to defeat fighter threats just because this information isn't published. They are listed as capable of defeating all air-breathing threats but by the fact of how these interceptions are made the absolute max range shots will be limited to certain speed, altitude, and maneuverability envelopes for any given AAW interceptor regardless of whether it is designed for a max range of 80 km, or 400 kms.
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Two interesting threads on EW during WWII


https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 9549557761 ----->
The subject of this thread will be the electronic warfare history of the Battle of the Bulge.

This history is almost unknown in military history circles, let alone the public, because there have been exactly two articles on it in 75(+) years.
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https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 1222193158 ----->
Given the enormous interest in the "Electronic Warfare during the Battle of the Bulge" thread.

I'm posting a new thread whose subject is the historiography of EW in WW2 with foundational books, a road map of available primary sources, & recent research

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Lockheed Sets F-35 Delivery Record In 2021

Lockheed Martin delivered 142 F-35s amidst lingering pandemic conditions in 2021, setting a new program high and beating the company’s guidance by three aircraft. Last year’s delivery total raises overall fleet deliveries to 753 aircraft, with 397—or about 53%—coming in the last three years alone..
The goal for 2022 deliveries is 151-153 aircraft.
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https://www.aerodefensetech.com/compone ... pace/40602
As part of its commitment to clean aerospace, Airbus is now adapting and evolving existing hydrogen storage technology for aviation. Several new research and development facilities across Europe have recently begun work on liquid hydrogen storage tanks for their ZEROe concept aircraft. In the near term, liquid hydrogen tanks for commercial flight are likely to be metallic. This approach will be pursued by Zero Emission Development Centres (ZEDCs) in Nantes, France, and Bremen, in northern Germany. Longer term, however, tanks made from composite materials may be lighter and more cost-efficient to manufacture. Airbus will accelerate development of this approach at its new ZEDC in Spain, and its composite research center in Stade, Germany.
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https://twitter.com/AlexLuck9/status/14 ... 5138215937 ----->
New media piece suggests Germany goes back to the future on its Tornado replacement. "Several assignments have been approved, including to clarify again whether F-35 may offer a suitable alternative, and whether Eurofighter may assume EW-role.". #Luftwaffe

Christine Lambrecht prepares to buy fighter jets
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Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht has started preparing two long controversial armaments projects. The SPD politician already spoke to Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) about the successor to the tornado, as the news agency dpa learned from government circles in Berlin.

Lambrecht's predecessor in the ministerial office, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (CDU), decided to buy F-18 combat aircraft in the USA as the successor to the Tornado fleet introduced 40 years ago . The US model is intended to enable so-called nuclear participation in US weapons for Germany. A certification of the European model Eurofighter for this seemed associated with more effort or even impossible in the foreseeable future. NATO's nuclear deterrent concept provides that in the event of war allies have access to US nuclear weapons, i.e. must be able to carry the bombs to the target.


After Scholz talked to Lambrecht, several test orders were placed. The aim is to clarify once again whether purchasing the more modern F-35 aircraft could be an alternative and whether the Eurofighter could be considered for a second task for the Tornado fleet: electronic combat. The necessary steps and time sequences for arming the new German Armed Forces drone Heron TP should also be recorded.

Armed drones agreed in the coalition agreement

The SPD, Greens and FDP decided in their coalition agreement in November to enable drones to be armed . These could help protect soldiers on deployments abroad, it says. The three traffic light partners also agreed to procure "a successor system for the Tornado fighter aircraft at the beginning of the 20th legislative period". "We will support the procurement and certification process with a view to Germany's nuclear participation objectively and conscientiously."

Germany's participation in nuclear participation has recently been controversial. In Büchel in the Eifel, 20 thermonuclear B61 gravity bombs of the US armed forces are to be stored, which can be latched under German tornadoes.

The previous deterrent concept stipulates that tornadoes specializing in electronic combat would protect the bombers. According to previous plans, around 30 Super Hornet version F-18s should be procured for nuclear participation. For electronic air combat - disrupting, holding down and fighting enemy air defense positions - 15 F-18s in the Growler version should also be purchased.
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French AF/Marine aircraft availability rates (Source)

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Taiwan air force searches for missing F-16 fighter jet pilot after crash
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 831226.cms
11 Jan 2022

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/14 ... 87712?s=20 ---> A Republic Of China (Taiwan) Air Force (ROCAF) F-16V "Viper" [Airframe 6650] reportedly lost contact with ground control while it was flying off the western coast. Search and Rescue operation underway.
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From Forbes

CAATSA Or PESA: Why Have These Countries Decided Against Acquiring Russia's Su-35 Fighter?
Russia’s is finding it increasingly difficult to sell its Su-35 Flanker-E fighter jet, with at least two countries recently opting out of sizable acquisitions.

In December, the government of Indonesia announced that it had decided not to go ahead with its acquisition of Su-35s. Jakarta had plans to buy at least 11 Su-35s for $1.14 billion. Now, Indonesia will acquire either the Dassault Rafale or Boeing BA +3.2% F-15EX Eagle II.
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Egypt, which ordered a fleet of Su-35s for $2 billion in 2018, has also seemingly reversed its decision to acquire at least two dozen Flanker-Es. It seems Cairo is also worried about the prospect of CAATSA sanctions.

Algeria, long a major buyer of Russian jets and other military hardware, decided, on the other hand, not to buy the Su-35 because it was dissatisfied by the fact that the aircraft still has a passive electronically scanned array (PESA) rather than an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system. Egypt is also disappointed by the lack of AESA radar on the jet.
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"The Russians promised to re-equip the latter with AESA radars, i.e., upgrade them to the MiG-35 standard, but years have passed, and nothing happened," he told me.

"Then they ordered Su-35s, only to find out this is equipped with PESA radar, and they would have to wait for years (and pay even more) for the Russians to develop a suitable AESA radar," he said.

"On top of this, they then ran a test, apparently using the first 2-3 Su-35s delivered to Egypt, against their Rafales, and it turned out the Su-35's PESA is simply no match."

(Egypt recently tested the Su-35’s Irbis-E radar against the electronic countermeasure system of one of its Rafale jets and, in Cooper’s words, "the latter easily overpowered the former.")

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https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 60096?s=20 ---> The French MoD has awarded Dassault the new-generation contract to support the Mirage 2000 fleet of the French Air Force. Covering a period of 10 years, the contract includes all maintenance activities for the French Mirage 2000s until their retirement.

New support contract for French Mirage 2000s
https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/gr ... age-2000s/
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VinodTK wrote:From Forbes

CAATSA Or PESA: Why Have These Countries Decided Against Acquiring Russia's Su-35 Fighter?

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"On top of this, they then ran a test, apparently using the first 2-3 Su-35s delivered to Egypt, against their Rafales, and it turned out the Su-35's PESA is simply no match."

(Egypt recently tested the Su-35’s Irbis-E radar against the electronic countermeasure system of one of its Rafale jets and, in Cooper’s words, "the latter easily overpowered the former.")[/b]
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This part is noteworthy .. I'm sure the IAF has been running similar type of tests with its Rafales, Su-30s and other types and it would be interesting to see if their observations line up with what the Egyptians are seeing
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Rafale arrives in the Hellenic Air Force (HAF)
https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/gr ... force-haf/
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AkshaySG wrote:
VinodTK wrote: (Egypt recently tested the Su-35’s Irbis-E radar against the electronic countermeasure system of one of its Rafale jets and, in Cooper’s words, "the latter easily overpowered the former.")
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This part is noteworthy .. I'm sure the IAF has been running similar type of tests with its Rafales, Su-30s and other types and it would be interesting to see if their observations line up with what the Egyptians are seeing
Very unlikely that the IAF will release any such info isn't it, Akshay sir :wink:

The Su30 MKI is the spear of the IAF, the Rafale is the tip of the spear.. the IAF dearly love both the Rambha and the Katrina and they want more of them!
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NRao wrote:Working around CAATSA?

South Korea, UAE strike $3 billion missile deal
What relation do these have to each other (the AD system and CAATSA)?

South Korea had been pitching the system to UAE, and the program under which it is being acquired was looking to replace the very same system that the Korean AD system is also meant to replace for the Korean armed forces. Not to mention that the incumbent US supplier did not and does not have a replacement because the US Army does not have a requirement for a HAWK replacement (batteries retired w/o direct replacement) due to changing air-defense needs. It was a perfect set of conditions, 1) A perfect alignment of performance requirements, and 2) Aggressive marketing by the South Koreans and willingness to offer systems and support packages similar to those offered by western OEMs.
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CAASTA presently applies to purchase from Russia only.

They have not yet added China to the list. That is the interesting point.

SoKo and UAE are just munnas.
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The implied assertion was that since Russia assisted in the development of the KM-SAM which the UAE has now purchased, then this could be an attempt to circumvent CAATSA (by buying the korean system instead of a russian system). Reality is closer to what I laid out. Both South Korea, and UAE are/were HAWK operators, and the US did not replace the HAWK system choosing to migrate those units to THAAD instead once the BMD need presented itself and was practically the sole threat from the air. This led HAWK operators to go elsewhere and SK itself chose to develop their own replacement. Koreans have targeted users of western systems and HAWK users specifically and they have been marketing their systems to ME customers and UAE would have been their no 1 candidate.
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I was not addressing the technical aspects of the deal. Was more focused on the CAASTA related matter. As to why it would not be applied against both SoKo and UAE.

Having said all that I am quite surprised that UAE did not go with patriot for lower tier of the air defence. Once they had decided to acquire THAAD for BMD.
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Pratyush wrote:
Having said all that I am quite surprised that UAE did not go with patriot for lower tier of the air defence. Once they had decided to acquire THAAD for BMD.
UAE does operate the PATRIOT system. They also are a HAWK operator, with that short-mid range air-defense system needing replacement. South Korea was also a HAWK operator and developed the KSAM in part to replace those units so this would be a good fit for UAE as it is designed around a similar mission and force structure. The US decided not to replace its HAWK systems with something comparable so had no suitable system to offer.
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This makes perfect sense. Thanks.
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AkshaySG wrote:
VinodTK wrote:From Forbes

CAATSA Or PESA: Why Have These Countries Decided Against Acquiring Russia's Su-35 Fighter?

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"On top of this, they then ran a test, apparently using the first 2-3 Su-35s delivered to Egypt, against their Rafales, and it turned out the Su-35's PESA is simply no match."

(Egypt recently tested the Su-35’s Irbis-E radar against the electronic countermeasure system of one of its Rafale jets and, in Cooper’s words, "the latter easily overpowered the former.")[/b]

This part is noteworthy .. I'm sure the IAF has been running similar type of tests with its Rafales, Su-30s and other types and it would be interesting to see if their observations line up with what the Egyptians are seeing
Why would this be surprising ? Comparing AESA with PESA ., apples to oranges ( nearly! )

https://radausa.com/blog/pesa-radar-vs-aesa-radar

AESA would have better performance and resistance to jamming , a movable one has a better field of view as well
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Brar, is it possible for the Greenville, SC line to increase production of the F-16 deliveries to Taiwan? How much is the line doing right now per year? Or can customers like Bahrain, Slovakia and Bulgaria be asked to wait for their F-16 deliveries? Taiwan has the more urgent need.

Exclusive: U.S. seeks way to speed delivery of new fighter jets to Taiwan
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 022-01-20/
20 Jan 2022
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kit wrote:
AkshaySG wrote:
Why would this be surprising ? Comparing AESA with PESA ., apples to oranges ( nearly! )

https://radausa.com/blog/pesa-radar-vs-aesa-radar

AESA would have better performance and resistance to jamming , a movable one has a better field of view as well
This story is a fabrication. There was no such story cited in the newsjournal attributed as the source. I dug it up. Total bunk.
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Rakesh wrote:Brar, is it possible for the Greenville, SC line to increase production of the F-16 deliveries to Taiwan? How much is the line doing right now per year?
The line in SC is not currently delivering any to the best of my knowledge. It is still very much doing depot work though the first deliveries are expected to happen later this year. They will start slow and ramp up later. Lockheed has been lobbying to keep the production ramp up on the F-35 smooth and not as rapid as was planned pre-COVID. Many industry watchers suspect this is due to supply chain pressures that they are facing. In such a case they will almost put 100% focus on the F-35 program and since they have many of the same suppliers, I don't think they would be too happy with being asked to increase the near term F-16 production rate. Second hand US Air Force F-16's could help Taiwan since the Taiwan can locally upgrade them to the F-16V standards including structural upgrades to add lifetime. New build rates are probably not going to move significantly in the near term as those contracts are probably locked.
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The Biden administration is weighing a Turkish proposal to buy a fleet of F-16 jet fighters that officials in Ankara say would mend ruptured security links between the countries, but the sale faces opposition from members of Congress critical of Turkey’s growing ties to Russia.

Senior Turkish officials say the deal could be a lifeline for their relationship with the U.S., which has suffered for years over Turkey’s purchases of Russian arms, clashing interests in the war in Syria and U.S. criticism of Ankara’s human-rights record. And in both countries, analysts say blocking the sale could push Ankara closer to Russia.

The prospect of F-16 sales to Turkey, a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, comes as Russia is testing the alliance’s resolve on the Ukrainian border, where Moscow has deployed tens of thousands of troops and prompted fears of an invasion.

The deal has its origin in 1999, when Turkey joined the American-led international consortium building the F-35 advanced jet fighter. In 2017, Ankara decided to buy the Russian S-400 air defense system over objections from the U.S., which feared it could hack into the F-35s. In response, two years later the U.S. expelled Turkey from the F-35 program.

With the F-35 out of reach, the new F-16s would replace aging F-16s and F-4 jets in Turkey’s fleet. But the proposed sale faces resistance from lawmakers who take a dim view of the S-400 purchase, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and Turkish policies in the eastern Mediterranean, U.S. officials and congressional aides said...

The Biden administration hasn’t signaled whether it will back the F-16 deal. U.S. arms export control laws require the administration to notify Congress of proposed foreign military sales, giving lawmakers a chance to review and oppose or try to block a deal. The administration hasn’t formally notified Congress about the proposed F-16 sale.

“It would hit speed bumps,” a congressional aide said. “The question is would those speed bumps break it apart, or would it be able to make it over them?”

Complete Story from WSJ
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Brar, is there an official news report on this?

https://twitter.com/AnonHeel/status/148 ... 47431?s=20 ---> The US has approved the sale of 12 F-16s to the Philippines, hotting up a battle with Saab's Gripen. The US has decided it can sell 12 F-16 Block 70/72 fighters to the Philippine Air Force (PAF) for a price tag of $2.43 billion.
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THE PHILIPPINES – F-16 BLOCK 70/72 AIRCRAFT

Found it ---> https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major- ... 2-aircraft

US $2.43 billion for 12 F-16 Block 70/72s. Works out to US $202,500,000 million per aircraft.
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This is an estimate. Actual deal should be much lower, given that they havent asked for a lot of spares and weapons
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State department notifications are pre-contract negotiation and are usually provided well before the potential buyer has narrowed down a package, delivery timeline, training and other requirements. The USAF put Lockheed on a long term indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity when it comes to the F-16. Overall, this firm fixed price contract would be worth $62 Billion over 10 years (if all options are exercised). This arrangement means that any potential FMS user for Block 70/72 does not have to negotiate individual contracts and can peg the pre-negotiated framework to save time and lower cost. Only part they will have to negotiate would be weapons, training and logistics. The aircraft and engine should be $60 Million or so at most with things like LDP as extra. Of course add weapons to this, add base infrastructure, support and logistics and any training and the package will increase in scope.

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Amid attacks, UAE quietly asks Israel about defense systems: Sources
TEL AVIV: The United Arab Emirates has quietly and unofficially asked Israel about acquiring missile defense systems to help protect it from Houthi missile attacks, Israeli sources here tell Breaking Defense.

The talks, described by sources as preliminary, come as the UAE pledged to “deal with any threats” in the wake of the deaths of three civilians last week in a drone-and-missile attack. On Monday, the UAE said it intercepted two ballistic missiles over Abu Dhabi that had been fired by Houthi rebels. (US Central Command said it used Patriot interceptors “coincident to efforts” by UAE forces to “engage” two missiles and defend the approximately 2,000 US forces stationed at Al Dhafra Air Base.)
An Israeli source told Breaking Defense that three operational systems, or a combination of the three, could be a partial answer until the South Korean system comes online: Israeli Aerospace Industry’s Barak 8 or Barak ER, or the Rafael Spyder.
The Barak-8, currently in operational use in Israel and India, was also reportedly used to shoot down a Russian-made Iskander ballistic missile launched by Armenia in November 2020 during a conflict over Nagorno-Karabach.
Interesting that all 3 Israeli systems are operational or under development in India.
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Indonesia appears to be awarding a contract to Dassault for 36 Rafales. With the Su-35 out (due to CAATSA fears), the contest was between the Rafale and the F-15EX. Will await for more official news sources. If it goes through, Dassault will have scored another win. Considering the high cost of this aircraft, she is securing significant contracts worldwide.

Indonesia Finalizes Rafale Contract With France
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/ ... th-france/
27 Jan 2022

Confirmed Rafale Orders to Date
UAE: 80
Egypt: 54
India: 36
Qatar: 36
Greece: 24 [ added another six to their earlier order of 18 ---> https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... ghter-jets ]
Croatia: 12
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There is no DSCA notification for any potential F-15EX sale to Indonesia which means it was never officially cleared by GOTUS to be sold to them (this is required even if it is in a competition). This could be because a LOR never came from Indonesia or Boeing, or that it came but was not processed to a point where an export sale was granted approval.
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Rakesh wrote:Indonesia appears to be awarding a contract to Dassault for 36 Rafales. With the Su-35 out (due to CAATSA fears), the contest was between the Rafale and the F-15EX. Will await for more official news sources. If it goes through, Dassault will have scored another win. Considering the high cost of this aircraft, she is securing significant contracts worldwide.

Indonesia Finalizes Rafale Contract With France
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/ ... th-france/
27 Jan 2022

Confirmed Rafale Orders to Date
UAE: 80
Egypt: 54
India: 36
Qatar: 36
Greece: 24 [ added another six to their earlier order of 18 ---> https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... ghter-jets ]
Croatia: 12
Definitely more will follow. With the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35s not gaining much traction and the Americans focusing more on F-35 sales, there is a sizeable market for 4.5+ gen fighters for mid tier countries. Especially those wanting to move on from legacy F-16s or MiG-29s. The good user feedback from the likes of Greece, Egypt and India is also pushing others to join the fray.

One concern is that any follow up order for us, will probably be behind these ones on the delivery schedule.
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AkshaySG wrote:With the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35s not gaining much traction and the Americans focusing more on F-35 sales, there is a sizeable market for 4.5+ gen fighters...
Majority of Rafale foreign sales are non competitive acquisitions. There aren’t much of that these days and as it is, foreign sales for 4+ Gen fighters is a shrinking market given the F-35’s clean sweep in every competitive acquisition where it is pitted against 4th Gen fighters, and the medium term arrival of aircraft like the KF-X which should be relatively mature by the mid 2030s. The vast majority of F-16 customers are also buying or planning to buy the F-35. Exceptions include those who don't need to replace a/c yet, can't afford to buy the F-35, or won't be allowed to buy it. There are a few nations in the last two categories but not many that can also afford to buy the Rafale (like Pakistan), or will be offered the Rafale (like Taiwan). Egypt was one such category of F-16 users that didn't get permission for AIM-120, and won't get permission for F-35 either so Rafale was logical given they are a M2K operator and the first export nation for that type. Qatar won't be allowed to buy the F-35 but has bought practically every western 4.5 gen fighter :). UAE again was always going to buy both Rafale and F-35 for political reasons (both non-competitive acquisitions). Greece and Croatia were well earned deals for Dassault by allowing them to get used aircraft something not many besides perhaps SAAB could have offered. India remains the big competitive win for them..
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60148482
F-35C fighter jet: Race is on to reach sunken US plane... before China
By Claire Hills
BBC News, Washington
The $100m (£74m) F-35C plane came down in the South China Sea after what the Navy describes as a "mishap" during take-off from the USS Carl Vinson. The jet is the Navy's newest, and crammed with classified equipment. As it is in international waters, it is technically fair game. Whoever gets there first, wins.

The prize? All the secrets behind this very expensive, leading-edge fighting force....

A U.S. salvage vessel looks to be at least 10 days away from the crash site. That's too late, says defence consultant Abi Austen, because the black box battery will die before then, making it harder to locate the aircraft. "It's vitally important the U.S. gets this back," she says. "The F-35 is basically like a flying computer. It's designed to link up other assets — what the Air Force calls 'linking sensors to shooters'."
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Navigation warnings for the recovery were released recently. There are protocols around this as deploying aircraft in the SCS is routine for the USN. Those protocols exist for these very reasons.

This is a "race" only for the media to report on. One side has the exact location, and can destroy the wreckage at any given time if it so choses. The other side first has to find the wreckage and needs to recover intact (for the most part) systems for it to be worthwhile. There's some asymmetry of info and capability there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-prepare ... 13797.html
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