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^^^
someday they can make a seaplane that can operate in higher wave heights and the outboard sponsons adding to the wing span
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Falcon Heavy was test fired (static) successfully
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prasannasimha wrote:Falcon Heavy was test fired (static) successfully
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Russian Su30 pilot just conducting a spot check :D

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Interesting report of a chini turbobrop in Africa. Small market but a market nonetheless.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201801250720.html
Cameroon: Ma60 Aircraft - Living Up to Expectations, Two Years On!
By Mbom Sixtus

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The acquisition of the MA60 planes by Camair-Co brought to five, the number of aircraft in the corporation's fleet. Intended to boost flights between the various regions of the country, the MA60 planes effectively increased the number of flights between Yaounde and Douala and later connected both cities to Bafoussam within its first year of operation. Last year, the planes began exploration new routes, prompting the reopening of the Bamenda Airport on July 20, 2017.
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^^^ Ripoff of An-26/An-32. Ukraine is moving to An-132 and is strapped for cash. If we were forward thinking, we would try to get our hands on the design and machinery.
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It's Sputnik, but anyhow
https://sputniknews.com/military/201801 ... shortening
It took the first NH90 helicopter ordered by the Norwegian Navy over a decade to land in the Nordic country. The question is whether this reinforcement is still desired by the Norwegian Armed Forces, which have been considering declaring a breach of contract by the provider.

After over a decade of waiting, the first NH90 helicopter for the Norwegian Navy landed at Kjeller Airport in Akershus County 25 kilometers from Oslo, despite the Norwegian Armed Forces previously mulling termination of the contract.

The landing at Kjeller was delayed by half an hour, which is nothing compared to the dramatic delay in delivery, as the first NH90 was originally due in 2006.

"This is a big day. We have been working long and intensively to get the helicopter here," Brigadier Diederik Wilhelm Kolff, chief of air capacities at Norwegian Defense Materiel Agency told the Aftenposten daily.

In 2001, Norway ordered 14 NH90 pieces, eight for the Coast Guard and six for the Navy's frigates, with a price tag of NOK 7.2 billion ($900 million). This procurement has been described as a nightmare by Aftenposten. The Coast Guard, which apparently had more luck and received its first NH90 in 2009, has not been put into service yet and is still being tested.

The helicopter was previously found to underperform in terms of promised flight hours. Furthermore, despite the helicopter that landed at Kjeller being described as the "final version" it is still not certified for instrumental flights. Perpetual delays, coupled with technical issues sewed doubt at the Norwegian Defense Staff over whether the entire project is still in demand.

To add insult to injury, the NH90 was found to cost NOK 175,000 ($23,000) per flight hour, with total lifetime costs for the whole program totaling NOK 30 billion ($3.8 billion). By contrast, its competitor the Sikorsky Seahawk only costs NOK 34,000 ($4,300) per flight hour, Aftenposten reported.

​Even if the Armed Forces were to choose to keep the recent addition, it would nevertheless need a four-year preparation period. In the meantime, a commission has been set up to consider the possibilities. One option is to scrap the entire contract, whereas another one to rent other helicopters while waiting for the NH90 to become fully operational, which apparently takes another while. Without helicopters, however, the Coast Guard is unable to effectively carry out fishing surveillance and the Navy's anti-submarine capacity is weakened.


The NH90 is a medium-sized, twin-engine, multi-role military helicopter, developed in response to NATO requirements for a battlefield helicopter, also capable operating in naval environments. The NH90 was developed and is manufactured by NHIndustries, a collaborative company, which is owned by Airbus Helicopters, Leonardo (formerly AgustaWestland) and Fokker Aerostructures.

With a maximum speed of 300 km/h and a capacity for 16 passengers, the NH90 has a flight time of somewhat over four hours.
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Russia’s Proton rocket falls on hard times
In 2017, Proton spent the first half of the year grounded by massive quality control problems with its engines.

The rocket returned to flight successfully in June and completed four seemingly flawless missions since then, but insurance rates for the Proton flights skyrocketed. That ate up the rocket’s price advantage over its main competitors in the launch business: Arianespace and the rapidly expanding SpaceX.
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Watch the whole vid.

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https://www.livestrong.com/article/3326 ... lium-husk/

"Every single thing everyone has ever said that's a limitation of the F-35 has been wrong,"

"The biggest limitation for the F-35 is that pilots are not familiar with how to fly it. They try to fly the F-35 like their old airplane,"
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ISRAEL, CROATIA AGREE TO PUSH FORWARD WITH $500M. F-16 FIGHTER JET DEAL

Jan 26, 2018.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic have agreed to push forward with a sale of Israel Air Force F-16 fighter jets to Croatia, which has been upgrading its air force.

Croatia has been considering a purchase of Israeli jets in order to replace its fleet of 12 Soviet-designed Mikoyan MiG-21 fighter jets, to be delivered by late 2020.

The deal is expected to be worth some $500 million, subject to the conditions of a tender, and the final decision on the bid winner is set to be made by the end of the year.

“This development is another expression of the deep ties between the two countries,” read a statement from the Prime Minister’s Office.

Other contenders for the fighter jet deal include secondhand Lockheed Martin’s F-16 offered by the US and Greece, and Saab’s JAS-39 Gripen from Sweden. A report by the Defense News website said the Croatian government had initially considered purchasing the French Mirage or a variant of South Korea’s T-50 when the plan was unveiled in 2015.

Croatian media reported that Israel had amended its initial bid after stiff competition from Sweden, offering to supply a mixed fleet of F-16C/Ds that are still in active service in the Israel Air Force as well as the older F-16A/Bs.

In December 2016, Israel retired its fleet of F-16A and F-16B (Netz) fighter jets, after 36 years in which the jets had become the backbone of the Israel Air Force. The F-16B variants are two-seat aircraft, which are flown by both a pilot and a navigator, unlike the F-16A that is operated by one person.

Israel’s F-16A/Bs were originally destined for the Imperial Iranian Air Force, but with the fall of the shah in the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the establishment of the fundamentalist regime, and following the signing of the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt, Jerusalem reached an agreement to acquire the advanced jet from the United States under the Peace Marble I Foreign Military Sales program.

The first four F-16A/Bs arrived in Israel in July 1980 and achieved initial operating capability a few weeks later.

With the F-16C/D Barak, and one of the most advanced F16s ever built, the F-16I Soufa, Israel flies the largest contingent of F-16s outside the United States, with close to 300 jets. All the aircraft have been heavily modified with Israeli-made avionics, self-protection systems, radar and advanced weapons such as the Python-4 and -5 air-to-air missiles and the Popeye and Spice air-to-ground missiles.
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Cosmo_R wrote:^^^Key takeaway: :"Israeli researchers work on antimissile missile in hopes of an air force order"
This is usually not how this happens with western OEMs. Most developed systems, even where private industry is large and well funded involve continuous open ended dialogue and communication of near and far term threats, and capability requirements. Contractors are often even provided classified threat briefings so that they have a good idea of where the needs are going to be years down the road. This allows for a more focused IR&D policy internally to make sure they are aligned competitively when the demand finally makes its way through the formal route. There are basically two things that drive IR&D, one is a needs assessment of the primary customer and the other is the need for a particular OEM to stay competitive when it comes to certain key technologies that may be pivotal in future weapons systems. Formal full systems testing (beyond S&T level work) is almost always because of very strong customer interest. Test and range infrastructure can at times cost as much as the R&D itself so if there is an OEM who is paying out of pocket for actually doing integration, and flight integration you could be assured that there is a very strong signal coming from its customers.
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Thank you brar for continuing the discussion in the right thread.
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Now this is interesting...

French Rafale Fighters Will Deploy Aboard An American Supercarrier This April
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17 ... this-april
Captain Jean-Emmanuel Roux de Luze, the French Naval Attaché to the U.S. Navy, recently told USNI News the following: “We want to demonstrate our ability to integrate with U.S. military services... We want to show we do maintenance, demonstrate we can load weapons." Under the plan, French Rafale-Ms and E-2C Hawkeyes will fly to NAS Oceana in Virginia and train out of that location for a period of time. Then some of the aircraft, aircrews, and support personnel will fly out to the USS George H.W. Bush to operate as an integrated component of the carrier's air wing.

The U.S. and French are in a very exclusive club, they are the only two countries in the entire world that maintain an operational catapult assisted take-off and barrier arrested recovery (CATOBAR) fixed-wing aircraft carrier capability. For a long period of time this wasn't the case, with a handful of other countries around the globe fielding these types of ships. They are the most capable type of aircraft carriers given the aircraft that were able to fly off their decks.
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Yikes! This is never good...

Australian EA-18G Growler Skids Off Runway And Bursts Into Flames At Nellis AFB
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18 ... nellis-afb

Growlers of the RAAF sitting on the ramp at Nellis. The jets arrived at the sprawling installation located on the northern edge of Las Vegas just last week.

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Hopefully they can repair the aircraft. Since Growler is no longer in production, it would be quite a premium as far as unit cost to re-start Northrop's production for just one aircraft although they have kept provisions for such an event in their production process.
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Don't know if this was posted before, but this 'Iceye' satellite was one of the many in the latest ISRO launch:

A Suitcase-Size Satellite’s Big Image of Frozen Earth Below

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This image is from a SAR on board a satellite that weighs less than 100kg!
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brar_w wrote:Hopefully they can repair the aircraft. Since Growler is no longer in production, it would be quite a premium as far as unit cost to re-start Northrop's production for just one aircraft although they have kept provisions for such an event in their production process.
Northrop? You mean Boeing? the airframe is built by Boeing at St.Louis. the EW gear will be sourced from suppliers, including Northrop.
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Croatia Israel closer to second-hand F-16 sale deal
The Croatian military is on the verge of selecting Israel’s used F-16 jets to take the place of its dwindling supply of Soviet MiG-21s, just six of which are estimated to be operational. The fleet of 21 60-year-old MiG-21s is in dire need of replacement.

Croatia invited the US, Israel, South Korea, Sweden and Greece to participate in the competition to supply the next wave of fighter aircraft last July. Zagreb has eyed new or used F-16 Fighting Falcons from Israel, the US or Greece, South Korea's FA-50s and Saab's JAS-39 Gripens.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic reached an agreement "to push forward" on the deal, signaling Netanyahu's F-16s may be close to winning the contract, the Jerusalem Post reported Friday.

"This development is another expression of the deep ties between the two countries," Netanyahu's office said in a statement. The deal could be worth up to $500 million, but its potential terms have not been finalized.

The Israeli Air Force retired its F-16A/B fleet in late 2016 but still flies heavily modified F-16C/D aircraft. It's not clear what composition of planes Netanyahu has offered to sell to Zagreb, but Croatian media reported that Sweden had sweetened its deal by offering to provide the more advanced Gripen C/D jets.

Speaking with Stars and Stripes, a Croatian military analyst said no more than six of the MiG-21s are airworthy. "It was a great plane during Croatia's war of independence" from 1991 to 1995, but "it really can't hold its own against modern fighters or anti-aircraft defenses," analyst Denis Kuljist told the military news outlet January 18.

The MiG-21, NATO reporting name Fishbed, has been one of the most widely used fighter jets in military history and achieved the mark of being the most-produced supersonic aircraft in history.
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Kartik wrote:
brar_w wrote:Hopefully they can repair the aircraft. Since Growler is no longer in production, it would be quite a premium as far as unit cost to re-start Northrop's production for just one aircraft although they have kept provisions for such an event in their production process.
Northrop? You mean Boeing? the airframe is built by Boeing at St.Louis. the EW gear will be sourced from suppliers, including Northrop.
Northrop is the biggest prime and builds the center and aft fuselage and is the lead on AEA integration (without this it would just be another Super Hornet). There is variant specific unique production and end items that are no longer in production after the last of the USN's FY16 orders have gone through the production process. The program kept provisions for it but there will be restart costs associated with that. But in the case for the RAAF they can always convert their Super Hornet's to Growler configuration since they spent around $25 million dollars extra per unit on 12/24 of their Super Hornet's in order to pre-install the harnesses and other components that are required for the Growler compared to a baseline Super Horne with the eventual goal of growing their Growler fleet over time as new capability is fielded in support of the AEA mission.
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A new generation of F-35 pilots are coming, and they'll solve the fighter's biggest problem
http://www.businessinsider.com/new-f-35 ... lem-2018-1
• Young pilots are now graduating training and going straight into F-35s, as opposed to previous generations of pilots that flew legacy airframes like F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s first.
• The new generation of pilots will revolutionize air combat in the F-35, according to former F-35 squadron commander David "Chip" Berke.
• Berke says the new pilots will overcome the biggest limitation of current F-35 pilots — not bringing old, bad habits with them from other aircraft.
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Israeli air force leaning towards upgraded F-15 over F-35 for next fighter jet acquisition
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/isr ... -1.5769565
The F-15, though older, has two advantages over the F-35: a longer flight range and the ability to carry larger bombs. Another factor in its favor is that it’s built on a different platform, which means the air force would have a mix of planes rather than relying on a single model. The F-15I is also cheaper to operate than the F-35. But the plane is currently being upgraded by the manufacturer, Boeing, and its purchase price is expected to rise in any future deal. Thus it could end up costing the same as the F-35 does next time around.
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Buying F-15 upgrades in the next 2-3 years will allow the IDF to piggy back on the economies of scale associated with the USAF's own acquisition. The RMP program being one and they will surely be picking up the AN/APG-82 which the USAF is currently buying at a rate of 32 sets per year. Waiting till later would mean a higher cost since the USAF concludes its modernization program for the F-15 radar in 2021. Same with other components, even the ones they themselves are supplying to the USAF and other F-15 operators. New build F-15s are unlikely and will most certainly cost more than the F-35 Is but the IDF will likely peg their Adir fleet with modernization plans of their adversaries. It will likely be used more of a SEAD/DEAD and penetrating strike platform unlike the USAF which will be using it for other A2A and A2G missions.
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VIDEO:-

https://twitter.com/nato/status/957238272966586368 --> The 5 stages of an air interception.
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Japan deploys first F-35A fighter jet to Misawa AB
https://airrecognition.com/index.php/ar ... wa-ab.html

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Kuwait moving ahead with F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet purchase
DUBAI --- Kuwait has informed the US that it plans to go ahead with the purchase of 40 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, a Kuwaiti daily reported on Wednesday.

Specialised military committees will follow up on the details of the purchase of the fighter jets, and their maintenance, training and spare parts, Al Rai reported.

The daily added Kuwait had sought to purchase 40 Super Hornet Aircraft — 32 F/A-18E and eight F/A-18F, all with F414-GE-400 engines — with support, equipment, and training at an estimated cost of $10.1 billion.


In November 2016, the State Department said it had approved the sale, explaining it “will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a major non-Nato ally that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political and economic progress in the Middle East”.
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US Approves Possible Deal for F-16 Upgrades in Oman
http://www.aviationtoday.com/2018/01/08 ... ades-oman/

Oman’s Lockheed Martin F-16 fleet could be getting an upgrade. The U.S. State Department approved a possible $62 million deal that includes identification friend or foe command and control systems updates, as well as Mode 5 secure communications equipment. “The proposed sale allows the U.S. military to support the Royal Air Force of Oman, further strengthen the U.S.-Omani military-to-military relationship, and ensure continued interoperability of forces and opportunities for bilateral training and exercises with Oman’s military forces,” the Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a statement.
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From Sput:
https://sputniknews.com/military/201801 ... ls-hawaii/
US Missile Interceptor Test in Hawaii Fails © Missile Defense Agency/Raytheon
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
22:40 31.01.2018
A US military SM-3 missile launched from a Aegis test site on Wednesday off the Hawaiian cost failed to intercept a mock incoming missile, according to US officials.
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Daniel Ellsberg,the whistleblower of Pentagon papers fame,now subject of a major film,"The Post",a must for all filmgoers,ha srevealed how badly the US miscalculated the Soviet's missile power during the Cold War.
https://sputniknews.com/us/201801251061 ... ation-war/
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)Famed Whistleblower Reveals Extent of US Missile Miscalculations During Cold War

03:58 25.01.2018
Renowned activist and whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, who released the Pentagon papers in the early 1970s, spoke with Radio Sputnik Wednesday about the alarming nuclear war plans the US had during the Cold War era, plans he had a role in overseeing.

"When I went to the RAND Corporation as a summer consultant in 1958, it was the height of the missile crisis, or the beginning of the missile crisis," said Ellsberg, author of a new book, "The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner."

​The working theory at the time when he started at RAND was that "the Russians, who actually launched an operational ICBM in 1957 before we were able to do it, were ahead of us in nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles," he said.

"By 1961, we had about 40 such missiles. The US Air Force, in particular, was projecting that [Russia] had several hundred, and the head of US Strategic Air Command, General Thomas Power, believed at that time they had 1,000. With 1,000 missiles, or even several hundred, the idea was that they could totally eliminate our ability to retaliate, and they could launch a first strike in which there would really be no retaliation against the Soviet Union," Ellsberg explained to Loud & Clear hosts Brian Becker and John Kiriakou.

"The reality at that time, in late 1961, turned out to be that they had four ICBMs to our 40 — not several hundred and not 1,000. General Power was wrong by [a multiple of] 250 times, not 250 percent, but 250 times the number of missiles they actually had, which meant that we had a great superiority," the author continued, noting that superiority doesn't mean "very much in the nuclear era.
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Program started around 2012. The A version is a trainer. The B is light attack. They are hawking this for export already.

Turkey’s MIC is up and coming. They run very efficient projects with fast timelines. Interested to see how their TFX fair against the Korean KFX and our AMCA in coming years.


http://aa.com.tr/en/economy/turkey-hurk ... ht/1047453
Turkey: Hurkus-B aircraft completes first test flight
Plane is expected to become part of Turkish Air Force's inventory in mid-2018, according to Turkish Aerospace Industries

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The Hurkus-B aircraft, designed and upgraded by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), carried out its first test flight on Tuesday, according to the Ankara-based company.

The plane, which is expected to be inducted in Turkish Air Force's inventory in mid-2018, is more stable and comprehensive than the previous version, Hurkus-A, the TAI said.

The training aircraft Hurkus-A passed its flight test, carried out by European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), in March 2016.


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Hurkus-B seems to have winglets, I have seen only few basic trainer aircraft having winglets. Popular PC-21 (expanded envelope) is one of them.
Any particular reason of not having then, no harm in including them ...

PC21 (Courtesy : australianaviation )
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The pilot who precision landed the malfunctioned Harrier with chin of plane on on stool
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SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket somehow survived a landing in the Atlantic Ocean

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This afternoon, SpaceX launched its second Falcon 9 rocket of the year from Florida, but the company chose not to land the booster after takeoff and instead dispensed it in the ocean. In a weird twist, the Falcon 9 still managed to survive its fall into the deep sea waters and is bobbing intact in the Atlantic. Now, the company will try to salvage the floating rocket by towing it back to shore somehow, according to SpaceX CEO Elon Musk.

This afternoon’s launch sent a heavy satellite into a high orbit for the government of Luxembourg. Typically for missions of this kind, SpaceX will try to land the Falcon 9 on one of the company’s autonomous drone ships in the ocean after launch. However, SpaceX announced before the flight that it wouldn’t try to recover this rocket, even though this particular rocket has landed before. The company didn’t give a reason why, though there was speculation that the decision had to do with this Falcon 9 being an older iteration of the rocket. Plus, SpaceX likely needed its Florida drone ship for the upcoming Falcon Heavy launch next week. (The company’s other ship is over in California).

But though there wasn’t a drone ship in place to catch the Falcon 9’s fall, the rocket still went through all the steps of landing: it re-ignited its engines three times in a series of landing burns to lower itself down gently to Earth. In a tweet, Musk revealed that the rocket was actually testing out a very high powered landing technique with the rocket, and the company didn’t want to hurt the drone ship during the fall. It seems clear SpaceX did not expect the rocket to survive, but it now has to figure out how to bring the hardy vehicle back home.

Who knows what type of condition the Falcon 9 will be in when it gets back, though. Salty sea water has been known to cause damage to spacecraft before, and it seems doubtful this rocket will fly again. But if it does, it will have definitely defied the odds.
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Avinandan wrote:Hurkus-B seems to have winglets, I have seen only few basic trainer aircraft having winglets. Popular PC-21 (expanded envelope) is one of them.
Any particular reason of not having then, no harm in including them ...
the Hurkus looks very similar to the PC-21 with some minor differences. Perhaps not by coincidence. But anyway, the timeline for the Hurkus-A trainer is given below, 8.5 years from program start to first flight and 11.5 years from program start to certification for the non-military Hurkus A variant. Compare that to the HAL HTT-40 from program start to first flight.
1. January 2005 SSİK’s Decision
2. March 2006 Signing of the Contract
3. July 2006 System Requirements Review
4. December 2006 Conceptual Design Review
5. February 2007 Application for EASA Design Organisation’s Approval
6. July 2007 Preliminary Design Review
7. August 2008 Wind Tunnel Tests
8. December 2008 Application for the Type Certificate
9. March 2009 Critical Design Review
10. July 2009 Fabrication Start
11. April 2010 Elevator Assembly Start
12. October 2010 Pressurisation System Tests
13. November 2010 Wing Assembly Start
14. December 2010 Airframe Assembly Start
15. May 2011 Canopy Bird Strike Tests
16. September 2011 Landing Gear Dropping Tests
17. December 2011 Ejection Seat Tests
18. December 2011 Air Conditioning System Rig Tests
19. January 2012 Hydraulic System Rig Tests
20. May 2012 Wing-Airframe Mating
21. June 2012 HUR01 Roll-out
22. July 2012 Approval of EASA Design Organisation
23. June 2013 Vertical Wind Tunnel Tests
24. June 2013 Ground Vibration Tests
25. August 2013 HUR01’s First Flight
26. December 2013 HUR02 Roll-out
27. September 2014 HUR02’s First Flight
28. October 2014 Vertical Wind Tunnel Tests
29. January 2015 Structural Static Tests Finish
30. July 2016 Type Certification
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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

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chola wrote:Program started around 2012. The A version is a trainer. The B is light attack. They are hawking this for export already.

Turkey’s MIC is up and coming. They run very efficient projects with fast timelines. Interested to see how their TFX fair against the Korean KFX and our AMCA in coming years.
The program didn't start in 2012. The PDR for the Hurkus-A was in 2007, and the Hurkus-B is a very close derivative of the Hurkus-A civilian variant. Like I mentioned in my previous post, it took 8.5 years from contract signature to first flight for Hurkus-A and 11.5 years for certification for Hurkus-A to EASA standards. And Hurkus-B flew 4.5 years after Hurkus-A. Just do a cursory comparison of that with HAL's HTT-40 and then maybe you'd know how efficient HAL has been with that program so far.

While they've been able to bring Hurkus-A and B to first flight without too much delay, please don't give this program mythical timelines to make it look like they were ultra-efficient.
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