International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Shameek » 26 Jan 2021 02:47

Greece, France sign $2.8 billion fighter jet deal

Greece signed a 2.3 billion-euro ($2.8 billion) deal with France on Monday to purchase 18 Rafale fighter jets, as tensions remain high with neighbor Turkey.

Florence Parly, the French defense minister, signed the agreement in Athens to deliver 12 used and six new aircraft built by Dassault Aviation over two years, starting in July.


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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Mollick.R » 28 Jan 2021 11:22

Boeing posts $8.4 billion loss on weaker demand for planes

Boeing lost $8.4 billion in the fourth quarter _ capping a record loss for all of 2020 _ as the pandemic undercut demand for planes, and the company announced another costly delay to its new large jetliner designed for long-haul flights.

Most of Boeing's troubles over the past two years have swirled around the troubled 737 Max. However, the biggest piece of the fourth-quarter loss reported Wednesday was a pretax charge of $6.5 billion tied to a different plane, the bigger 777X.

It all added up to a record full-year loss of $11.94 billion.
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Deliveries have also plummeted, starving Boeing of much-needed cash. Boeing delivered 59 commercial planes in the fourth quarter, compared with 225 for European rival Airbus. Boeing's fourth-quarter revenue fell 15% to $15.3 billion.

Boeing's newest problem involves the 777X, a larger version of the long-range 777 that will feature new engines and composite wings that fold near the wingtips to accommodate limited space at many airport gates.

The company said Wednesday that the first 777X delivery will occur in late 2023, three years behind the original schedule and a year later than Boeing announced just six months ago. Boeing cited new, tougher standards for certifying planes _ an outgrowth of the Max crisis _ and the damage that the pandemic is doing to demand for international travel.


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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 29 Jan 2021 20:57

Five years to backfill a dozen aircraft sold to Greece. This highlights the tight balance that the French MOD must strike between fulfilling the needs of its Air Force and ensuring that Dassault can keep a healthy backlog and thus keep the Rafale line open till such time that the production can transition to the FCAS/SCAF which is still a decade and a half or more away.

France begins backfilling its Rafale fleet after selling some to Greece



Parly said the 12 new aircraft would be built to the latest F3R standard. She added, “We sold 18 Rafales to Greece so it is indeed 18 Rafales that Dassault will have to produce.” Speaking at the factory, the defense minister said one Rafale would come off the production line per month..

The French Air and Space Force will have its 12 new aircraft by the end of 2025. Together with the 28 Rafales that Dassault is to deliver between 2022 and 2024, this will bring the total to 129, as projected in the 2019-2025 military program law.


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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Kartik » 01 Feb 2021 19:09

So now the USAF may well order more F-16s, almost 16 years after the last F-16 was delivered to the USAF.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 01 Feb 2021 19:19

Kartik wrote:So now the USAF may well order more F-16s, almost 16 years after the last F-16 was delivered to the USAF.

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Was discussed in the US Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7088&start=2080#p2480169

There could be three reasons why this was all of a sudden brought up :

* To put pressure on Lockheed since they are simultaneously asking the company to accelerate the "$25K by 2025" O&S investments and negotiating the next hybrid-MYP contract that could include between 400-500 aircraft under one negotiated deal (that will be inked by this September)

* I've hypothesized that the USAF could do well to replace the A-10 (long term) with new build F-16's and use the money saved to buy more aircraft like the B-21 or RQ-180

* The article hints at the the 6th gen. NGAD being ready to enter production by 2026. If that is the case then that would mean they would most likely need to free us some cash in their long term budget to the buy the new system. Switching to a low TCO platform in the F-16 can provide them this margin needed to invest in NGAD.

In the end they need to get at 100 new build fighters a year in order to efficiently modernize and reduce the average airframe life of the CAF. They are still only at 70-75 range even with the F-15EX being brought into the mix. And that is probably going to be a near-medium term upper limit. The F-35 is not really going to get any cheaper now that it is nearing its peak production rate and that new electronics and capabilities are being added which negates most of any additional EOS going forward (new suppliers offering more capable systems would most definitely require higher margin on some of these items). So if they want to get to that magic (and desirable) 80-100 new fighters / year range, then they probably have to either find a pot of gold sitting around in the budget or get creative and look to diversify their acquisition portfolio a little.

In the end they would have to think long and hard at the force structure and the tactical aircraft mix. Do they really need that many new 5GFA given the type of things that are going to be useful in the Pacific (long range bombers etc)? Both Russia and China have either run into technical, budgetary issues with their 5GFA or a combination of these and as a result have reduced their 5GFA production to either a trickle (Russia) or fairly lowish numbers (China). Neither country has successfully mass produced a stealth aircraft so they have that rather difficult milestone to cross still.

So if that is the case can the USAF take a little more risk here and re-architecture its CAF while still getting 4-5 dozen F-35's BUT not scaling up beyond that? I think this is what the former acquisition official was probably hinting at. It is certainly an interesting thought. Honestly, I'd be happy to reduce the fighter fleet by 400-500 aircraft if that meant being able to buy 50 additional B-21's. That is the CHINA specific force structure that the USAF needs to go towards because there aren't really enough "survivable" basing options in the Asia Pacific to house short-medium range tactical aircraft.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 01 Feb 2021 20:08

Finland requests final offers for HX fighter deal


Models in contention for the deal are the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-35A, and Saab Gripen E/F.

“With the request for best and final offer, each tenderer is requested to compile the information provided in the previous tenders and negotiations into a final and binding package,” it adds.

The Finnish parliament has already approved €9.4 billion ($11.4 billion) in funding to acquire replacements for the nation’s current F/A-18C/Ds.

“The HX options of each tenderer differ as to the costs of introduction into service, construction needs and integration into the defence system,” the logistics command says. “This is why each tenderer will be given a tenderer-specific price limit, and, in addition, a similar option will be included for each tenderer for later purchases and contractual changes. Therefore, the price ceiling set for each tenderer is about €9 billion.”

Helsinki says it is using four criteria to judge the candidates: military capability; security of supply; industrial participation; and costs. “Security and defence policy implications will be assessed separately outside of the actual tendering process,” it adds.

A type selection will be forwarded for government approval before year-end, with the new model due to enter service from 2025.




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Postby Rakesh » 03 Feb 2021 01:23

Τurmoil in Turkey: ''Greek Rafale fighter jets with Meteor missiles will crush us''
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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby NRao » 03 Feb 2021 02:41

SpaceX's SN9 crashed. Looks like the 2nd Raptor (of two) did not light up during the flip

Fire up SN10

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby NRao » 11 Feb 2021 04:11

RAF Marham @RAF_Marham wrote:F-35B aircraft from @RAF_Marham conducted essential operational training with Rafale aircraft from French Navy. The training included personnel from the RN School of Fighter Controllers who controlled both sides from @RNAS Yeovilton.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

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U.S. Indo-Pacific Command @INDOPACOM wrote:A super Hercules provides fuel to a Lightning II aircraft during exercise #CopeNorth 21.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby NRao » 17 Feb 2021 22:49

Convertible jet design backed by RAF might just have wings

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The RAF has backed a British company to develop an aircraft that can be converted from a trainer to a faster, more aggressive jet by swapping out its engines and wings.

Aeralis, based in Suffolk, has been given £200,000 by the force to develop its “revolutionary” modular plane, which it says would be the first fully developed in Britain since the Hawk was launched in 1974.

The two-seater aircraft will have at least three variants based around the same fuselage but fitted with different engine and wing configurations: a basic trainer, a speedier, more manoeuvrable fighter-style plane and a reconnaissance model with long wings and a more efficient engine.

Tristan Crawford, Aeralis chief executive, said the project could help the RAF rationalise its future fleets

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 18 Feb 2021 05:37

Berlin and Paris in crisis talks to bring fighter jet project back on track


Germany and France are making a new effort to resolve an impasse over the development of a joint fighter jet, Europe’s biggest defence project that has led to tensions between Berlin and Paris, security and industry sources told Reuters on Wednesday.

At an estimated cost of more than 100 billion euros, the venture brings together Germany, France and Spain to forge a future weapons system that is seen as the heart of a deepening European defence cooperation.

Dassault Aviation <AVMD,PA>, Airbus and Indra are supposed to build the aircraft, which is expected to be operational from 2040 with a view to replacing France’s Rafale and Germany’s Eurofighter warplanes over time.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron kicked off the ambitious venture in 2017, when the EU was rattled by Britain’s decision to leave the bloc and deeply divided over other issues such as the migrant crisis.

But the project has run into difficulties due to mistrust and differing visions between Berlin and Paris as well as corporate infighting over work shares, security and industry sources told Reuters.

At the beginning of February, Merkel and Macron failed to settle the issue, thus leaving open when the next tranche of payments of at least 5 billion euros can be released, according to insiders.

On Wednesday, envoys of the defence ministries of Germany, France, Spain as well as from Dassault, Airbus and Indra met in Paris to try to resolve the impasse, security and industry sources told Reuters.

Part of the controversy revolves around intellectual property rights, and who should possess them in the end.

Before moving ahead with the venture, Germany is trying to gain more concessions from France on the issue, insiders said, adding that Berlin would like to be able to use technologies co-developed with Paris for its own projects.

One French source said Germany also aimed for intellectual property developed at national level in France, something a German source denied.

Disagreements run so deep that there are even considerations to build two demonstrators instead of just one, one source told Reuters.


A senior French parliamentary figure also expressed doubts about the project’s viability, citing diverging approaches and political constraints, such as Berlin’s refusal to participate in combat operations abroad.

“To be honest, it would be a lot easier for us to work with Britain because we share the same military culture,” the MP told Reuters. Britain is running its own fighter jet program, Tempest, with Italy and Sweden.

A planned update for the Franco-German Tiger combat helicopter, costing more than 5.5 billion euros, is another bone of contention.

France is keen on the modernisation, whereas Germany is digging in, with some parts of the military not wanting the upgrade at all given the low operational readiness of the Airbus helicopter, sources told Reuters.

On Thursday, the defence ministers of France and Germany, Florence Parly and Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, will have another chance to solve the row, when they are scheduled to meet virtually.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 18 Feb 2021 05:49

A squadron each of the F-35I Adir, and the F-15 EX with the deal expected to be sealed by end of the first Quarter 2021. 4 tankers and also some munitions.

Israeli Air Force to Buy Refueling Aircraft, 25 More F-35 Fighter Jets

Within a few years, the air force will have 75 F-35s. The IDF also plans to purchase another squadron of Boeing’s F-15s

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

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Swati Mohan, of JPL, confirms touch down of Perseverance, the Mars rover, has landed!!

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Chinmay » 20 Feb 2021 00:44

Indonesia plans its own aircraft zoo

According to the meeting’s summary document, Indonesia plans to buy 36 Rafale and eight F-15EX jets, with six of the latter expected to arrive by 2022.

Along with the new additions, the air force will also modernize its existing combat aircraft this year, Prasetyo said.


They already operate F-16s, Su-27s and Su-30s. This should be a fun procurement

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 20 Feb 2021 00:46

Indonesia can barely make the rather modest payments (to an amount and schedule the highest levels of its government agreed to) it needs to do to cover its share of the Korean KFX program, and now folks expect them to buy the Rafale and the F-15EX? Someone at their MOD seems to have a great sense of humor.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby NRao » 20 Feb 2021 05:13

Steve Trimble @TheDEWLine wrote:I’m told this is what that Rafale looks like now. I figured it was a tail strike on the high-voltage line, but the pilot must have been in a steep bank maybe? That could have been a lot worse. I also wonder how the Rafale’s electronics survived the impact.

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Steve Trimble @TheDEWLine wrote:Another shot has emerged of the damaged French Rafale, which severed a high-voltage power line on a low-altitude flight on Thursday. The pilot and back-seater won the lottery. Just inches from a canopy impact by the live wire.

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Postby Manish_P » 22 Feb 2021 17:21

Good god above.. here i have been walking with trepidation on the internal road of my housing colony because this year we haven't been able to trim the old coconut trees and here we have a huge engine cowling and other heavy metal parts falling out the sky :shock:

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby chetonzz » 23 Feb 2021 11:25

NASA releases live landing video of latest Mars rover

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 23 Feb 2021 19:18

Can anyone explain Indonesian plan of acquiring 8 F15EX, why go through separate logtics and training for 8 aircraft. and 5 Su27 and 11 Su30, I guess they would need to retire these 16 aircraft then.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Chinmay » 23 Feb 2021 23:55

Aditya_V wrote:Can anyone explain Indonesian plan of acquiring 8 F15EX, why go through separate logtics and training for 8 aircraft. and 5 Su27 and 11 Su30, I guess they would need to retire these 16 aircraft then.


It makes absolutely no sense. They're planning on adding new F-15s plus Rafales, C-130s, MQ-9s and a radar system, and keeping their Flanker and Viper fleets. https://asiatimes.com/2021/02/indonesia ... hter-jets/

The CAATSA avoidance plan by not going for further Flankers is a thin excuse, but I doubt they have the funding for all this kit. Brar_w explained this earlier when I posted the news earlier. Their DefMin is certainly ambitious, but to paraphrase Top Gun, "His mouth is writing cheques his ministry cant cash"

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Postby LakshmanPST » 02 Mar 2021 12:39

South Korea's next generation jet KF-X set to roll out, boost local defense industry

http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article ... Idx=304786

South Korea is set to roll out the first prototype of its indigenously developed next-generation fighter jet, widely known as the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) aircraft, late next month.

A total of six prototypes are in the final stages of assembly at the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) headquarters in Sacheon, Gyeongsang Province. Test flights will be carried out next year, following ground testing after the April roll-out.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby Kartik » 02 Mar 2021 17:01

South Korean KF-X prototype is taking shape rapidly for a planned roll-out in a couple of months' time. I must say, quite a lot that is similar between the KF-X and AMCA including general configuration and engines.


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Re: International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

Postby brar_w » 02 Mar 2021 20:38

Interesting that they stuck with external stores, external LDP's, and the non DSI intakes, at least for version 1 though I suspect that targeting pods etc will continue to be externally carried. Also, stock F-414 nozzles which probably also means that no other 5th gen signature suppression tech has been introduced into the F414-GE-400K (early KFX rumors were that GE had offered to bring over some F-136 tech into the propulsion offering) so this will be a challenge for KFX given how closely the propulsion, signature management, and power delivery systems are coupled on 5GFA. I suspect they will address this in subsequent iterations. A decade from now, they should have a fairly mature platform that is ready to be handed to frontline units. But propulsion, signature, and other areas will probably continue to lag behind which I suspect will manifest in slightly different employment tactics for this compared to their F-35As and Bs.

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