Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Rakesh » 09 Aug 2018 09:00

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1027150141101408256 ---> HAL chief T. Suvarna Raju takes a spin in an LCA Tejas (PV5). The trainer was was piloted by Group Captain KK Venugopal.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Philip » 09 Aug 2018 09:50

If the IAF is going to take over HAL what happens to the ADA? Frankly it is the ADA that should come under the IAF's jurisdiction as it is the core design entity for present and future needs.HAL must be geared up and overhauled management- wise as the OEM, along with pvt. sector entities so that there is healthy competition and increased prod. facilities in the country.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 09 Aug 2018 11:39

Philip wrote:If the IAF is goinv to take over HAL what happens to the ADA?.Frankly it is yhe ADA thag should comd jndef yhd IAF's jurisdiction as ig is ghd core desibn dntity gor preseng and future needs.HAL must be geared up and overhauled management- wise.as the OEM, along with pvt. sector entities so that yhete is healthy competition and increased prod. facilities in thd country.

Sir, your russian-english translator is failing. Time to get a new one :rotfl: (Just kidding)

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby disha » 09 Aug 2018 21:55

http://zeenews.india.com/india/lca-tejas-will-be-iafs-backbone-for-several-years-hal-chief-2131699.html

This is the trainer version:

"In a thrilling set of manoeuvres, the aircraft climbed to 30,000 feet and accelerated to supersonic speed of 1.1 Mach. This was followed by a simulated launch of Beyond Visual Range missile on a target of opportunity. It is a wonderful flying machine, capable of being the backbone of IAF combat power in the years to come," said Raju after the sortie.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Kakkaji » 10 Aug 2018 00:54

I wish the HAL Chief would deliver one aircraft, instead of one press story, every month. :roll:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby ramana » 10 Aug 2018 03:55

I am hoping now that he has flown in one, he will deliver aircraft on schedule to make the Tejas the backbone of the IAF.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby pushkar.bhat » 10 Aug 2018 09:21

IAF has a history of doing all the assembly that HAL does at Bangalore. 1 BRD Kanpur and 3 BRD in Chandigarh have a stellar history of delivery. They have delivered on the Mid Life Upgrades of AN-32's and MI-17's respectively. The IAF will be building the LCA at cost, so they reduce the cost per unit at least some x%.

Additionally, I am not sure how production in a BRD gets treated for State and Central GST. Do they also pay taxes?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Kakarat » 10 Aug 2018 19:28

https://www.ada.gov.in/

· 4102th flight on 10th Aug

TD1 : 233 PV1: 245 PV3: 387 LSP1: 74 LSP3:422 LSP5: 419

TD2 : 305 PV2: 222 PV5: 219 LSP2: 317 LSP4: 371 LSP7: 304

NP1: 73 LSP8 : 238 PV6:197 NP2: 68 SP6:8


Seems rigorous testing underway in both Tejas and LCA Navy, they have been 32 flights (22+10) in the first 10 days of aug. LSP8 is back flying after about a month & hoping for some good news on AAR


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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby ramana » 10 Aug 2018 23:38




Austin, As an academic exercise we should list the 7 rules and see how Tejas scored on each of them.

Can some one put them in a table and put check mark and comment section?

See the average development to production is 17 to 18 years even with all these tools in place.

Now compare Tejas time to production with all these ab initio efforts.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 01:45

First flight 2001, FOC 2018. 17 years. Even if we have had a ecosystem, we would have shaved off a max of 3/4 years. So a first attempt with delay of 3-4 years, I would say an outstanding achievement.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 11 Aug 2018 09:40

nam wrote:First flight 2001, FOC 2018. 17 years. Even if we have had a ecosystem, we would have shaved off a max of 3/4 years. So a first attempt with delay of 3-4 years, I would say an outstanding achievement.


Only problem-No FOC yet or expected before
2019 :rotfl:
But still, it has been a very good effort to produce a more than decent workhorse aircraft. If only HAL gets it's act together and starts meeting deadlines, everything will be fine.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 13:23

Trikaal wrote:
nam wrote:First flight 2001, FOC 2018. 17 years. Even if we have had a ecosystem, we would have shaved off a max of 3/4 years. So a first attempt with delay of 3-4 years, I would say an outstanding achievement.


Only problem-No FOC yet or expected before
2019 :rotfl:
But still, it has been a very good effort to produce a more than decent workhorse aircraft. If only HAL gets it's act together and starts meeting deadlines, everything will be fine.


What they are calling now as FOC is not what was planned to be achieved. There was no IFR, no SDR, no new datalinks in the initial plans. So if they achieve this by 2019, it is even better than what was done so far.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 11 Aug 2018 13:35

^IFR was there, so was gun trials and BVR missile integration. Data links, improved mission computer, digital display, friend-or-foe identification(IFF) , SDR, terrain maps are new.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 13:40

IFR, along with EW & AESA was for MK1A, not for FOC. Just IFR alone must have added more test flights to the schedule.
Gun trials, I presume was postponed, as a gun pod can be used if required till then.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby ramana » 12 Aug 2018 10:46

Tejas harnesses in UP defence corridor.
HAL to invest 1200 crore for Tejas and SU30 parts

https://twitter.com/Aryanwarlord/status ... 70816?s=19

https://t.co/tH9SHw5Lec?amp=1

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby Gyan » 12 Aug 2018 16:15

ramana wrote:Gyan, The requirements are a mix of musts and wants with sundry sources giving these out.
The musts not yet accomplished are:
Gun firing in air
Air to air refueling
Self jamming pod
Wants are:
Software defined radio
This could end up with avionics impact.

HAL has two lines 5+3 aircraft division.
And 8 in the new facility. Total 16 ac/year.


My only issue is whether the production of next batch of 20 LCA aircraft will be stalled waiting for foc or this production will continue even if a foc is awaited. There are seriously contradictory reports on this issue
If we consider the problems other indigenous products are facing then my fear is that the production of LCA may be stalled for the next batch till foc is obtained which means a delay of around two years compared to the situation where the production continues smoothly without waiting for the foc

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Postby ramana » 14 Aug 2018 06:32

So on Tejas Mk1A, what WVR missile is being proposed?
I know its qualified for R-73 and Python 5 had vibration problem.
ASRAAM was proposed.


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