MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Kartik » 24 Oct 2019 04:51

From AW&ST


Russia Pushes MiG-35 To African Nations

Aerospace Daily & Defense Report Oct 23, 2019
Tony Osborne

Russia’s RAC MiG says it is marketing the export version of its MiG-35 fighter aircraft to African countries.

The export version of the aircraft, first unveiled at the MAKS Airshow in Moscow, is being displayed to African leaders at the Russia-Africa Economic Forum being held in Sochi, on Russia’s Black Sea coast, Oct. 23-25, the company said in a press release.

The new variant features adjustments in the airframe including newly designed vertical stabilizers, an active electronically scanned array radar, an infrared search and track system, and a modular open architecture, which the company says will enable speedier integration of weaponry.

The company also notes that the aircraft has increased corrosion protection and is designed for operations from austere airfields.


Ilya Tarasenko, director general of RAC MiG, said the company has had a relationship with African countries for more than 50 years, with some 2,000 MiG-built aircraft flown by African air forces.

“During these years more than 2,000 MiG aircraft of second, third and fourth generation have been supplied to the national air forces of countries of this region,” Tarasenko said. “All of the aircraft had the experience of combat employment during local military conflicts in the territory of the region.”

The MiG-35 is an advanced development of the company’s MiG-29, a type that has been sold in only small numbers in Africa, most notably to Algeria, Chad, Egypt, Eritrea and Sudan.

RAC MiG has so far received only a small order for six MiG-35s from the Russian Air Force to support testing and evaluation. It is unclear whether more orders are in the pipeline.


Rosoboronexport, the Russian arms export agency, says African nations are responsible for about $14 billion in orders.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Manish_Sharma » 24 Oct 2019 08:26

https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/epi ... 9-fulcrum/

Kartik Air Marshal Harish Masand ji in this 1 hour long interview on PODCAST praises Mig 29 highly but dissed THRUST VECTOR intensely in last 15 minutes of interview. He says and I paraphrase "no point in lugging 1 ton of weight while you never need to use it , even if you do during dogfight you will lose so much energy that time wasted in recovery will have you at disadvantage..."

How come then we chose thrust vectoring on MKI , BUT CHINESE CHOSE MKK WITHOUT HAVING THRUST VECTORING?

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Cain Marko » 24 Oct 2019 08:48

Manish_Sharma wrote:https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/episodes/060-mig-29-fulcrum/
How come then we chose thrust vectoring on MKI , BUT CHINESE CHOSE MKK WITHOUT HAVING THRUST VECTORING?

Just a guess...It's probly the weight of the tvc nozzles...500kg is not such a big deal for an mki that compensates with massive engine thrust. But for a smaller bird like the fulcrum it imposes a severe penalty

Btw the mki with tvc is almost untouchable bar perhaps the Su35 on which tvc is refined and retained. Ditto with the pakfa.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Manish_Sharma » 24 Oct 2019 11:22

^ Thanks yes this seems like a good explanation for 38 ton mki a 1 ton isn't much issue but for 23 ton mug 29 1 ton would be big deal.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Manish_P » 24 Oct 2019 20:29

What about the question raised by you - 'the MKI having them but not the MKK'.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby nachiket » 25 Oct 2019 00:36

The Chinese looked at the MKK as a long range strike fighter while in our case the MKI is our primary air-superiority fighter with a secondary strike role. The Chinese already have plenty of Su-27's and J-11's for the air-superiority role.

Also look at Karan's response to AM Masand's comments in the IAF thread here: viewtopic.php?p=2389557#p2389557

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Manish_P » 25 Oct 2019 09:04

Thanks. Got it. Missed the post by KaranM some how..

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 27 Oct 2019 18:03

X-Post from the Kaveri thread. Thank you to Prem Kumar for providing the link.

Debunking Some False Arguments about the LCA Tejas
https://medium.com/@BernardWoolley/debu ... 6be98f5487
29 May 2017

The Chinese did not seek out the latest and greatest toy because their initial designs (Q-5, JH-7, J-8, J-10) failed to match up to what the US, Japan, and India fielded. If the J-10B and J-20 are flying today, it is only because the PLAAF and PLAN flew inferior aircraft for decades while their industrial capabilities matured. As it is, the Tejas program’s achievements have been quite impressive: the country has developed a fourth-generation fighter that is as good as the Gripen-C from scratch. It uses more home-grown technology than the Gripen does; including such critical subsystems like the digital flight control system, the composite airframe, a large portion of the avionics, etc. Many of these have been applied to the IAF’s legacy aircraft as upgrade packages. To throw it all away because of a handful of challenges here and there or because Lockheed or Boeing are offering to transfer their manufacturing lines to India would be incredibly, utterly stupid. If the Tejas is cancelled, we will have a repeat of the same thirty-year saga the next time India tries to build her own fighter.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Karan M » 28 Oct 2019 02:13

What a brilliant article. It might rub some folks the wrong way, to the point they quibble on minor details, but the basic thrust of the article is rock solid and amazing. Great job, Mr Woolley (whoever you are).

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Philip » 28 Oct 2019 03:21

With the second tranche of 80+ Mk-1As supposedly a certainty, the only argument for the extra imported 114 birds is that the production rate of Tejas cannot replace the hundreds of retiring MIGs. So why not set up extra Tejas manufacturing line/s with the pvt. sector, who are being sought out by the foreign OEMs, in parallel with the HAL lines? A huge amount of money saved, ADA/HAL get royalties instead of a firang entity, and with the increased production rate the supply chain for components, etc. is strengthened too with larger orders leading to reduced costs.Later on the Mk-2 could similarly be farmed out to the pvt. sector lines.

If need be, a few extra sqds. of MKIs, Rafales, MIG-29s- we're reportedly buying 21 new mothballed ones from Russia upgraded to 29UPG std. too, would add to numbers filling in gaps of retiring aircraft. Both options would obviate the need for yet another type adding to the IAF's exotic " zoo " in the sky.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Cain Marko » 28 Oct 2019 04:34

Karan M wrote:What a brilliant article. It might rub some folks the wrong way, to the point they quibble on minor details, but the basic thrust of the article is rock solid and amazing. Great job, Mr Woolley (whoever you are).

Bernard Woolley is the principal private secretary to the right honorable Jim hacker :wink: :D

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Karan M » 28 Oct 2019 06:03

I doubt that gentleman would track Indian aviation with the same level of interest. :wink:

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby LakshmanPST » 28 Oct 2019 13:48

Philip ji...
I guess they'll setup additional line for Tejas by the time IAF orders Tejas SPORT... I read somewhere that IAF will order around 40 jets (2 squadrons) of SPORT version... Maybe they'll order more...
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I think MMRCA is dependent more on budgetary constraints rather than production rates...

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Philip » 28 Oct 2019 20:50

Just a naive Q.During the Cold War we had little choice, the best of Sov. eqpt. but at friendship prices with v.little available from the west barring modest Jags.The M2K was a breakthrough meant to counter Paki F-16s and for good measure MIG-29s were also bought.

What if the GOI told the IAF that only Tejas or firang fighters no more costly than the agreed price of Tejas recently agreed upon with HAL were available for replacing the MIG-21/27sqds. being retired? Or that only extras of existing types in service again with strict budgetary parameters also an option? I guess the MMRCA 2.0 would then evaporate.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Kartik » 28 Oct 2019 22:44

Philip wrote:Just a naive Q.During the Cold War we had little choice, the best of Sov. eqpt. but at friendship prices with v.little available from the west barring modest Jags.The M2K was a breakthrough meant to counter Paki F-16s and for good measure MIG-29s were also bought.

What if the GOI told the IAF that only Tejas or firang fighters no more costly than the agreed price of Tejas recently agreed upon with HAL were available for replacing the MIG-21/27sqds. being retired? Or that only extras of existing types in service again with strict budgetary parameters also an option? I guess the MMRCA 2.0 would then evaporate.


We had choices, but we got friendship prices only from the Soviets. Else how did the Gnat, Hunter, Canberra, Ouragan, Mystere, etc. come into IAF service well before the Jaguar?

Even the Jaguars were bought in competition with the Mirage F1 and Viggen, although the Viggen was restricted in a way due to its US sourced engine. So it's not like there were no other options available.

the point of MMRCA was not just to shore up numbers but also to get a single private aerospace company to become HAL's competitor and break the PSU monopoly. At least that was the intent and as long as that remains, the MMRCA competition will be alive.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Kartik » 29 Oct 2019 00:59

Why I'm posting this is the dollar figure that was mentioned at the end of it by the LM exec. Now, this is for F-21 (I really don't like this moniker..might as well have just called it F-16 IN or whatever). The twin engine jets traditionally are more expensive, so if Rafale wins the MMRCA deal, we could see a cost of ~$20 billion. Can't see where that much money will come from, even though I do understand that it is paid out over years as contractual milestones are met. the IAF's procurement budget will be really stretched thin with such a costly deal. And it has to manage Tejas MK2/MWF and Tejas Mk1A contract payments at the same time.

Sales of the F-16 Block 70 will surpass 100 if the Taiwan deal for 66 F-16V fighters goes through.

LM sees big demand for F-16 in Middle East

Lockheed Martin believes its backlog of orders for the F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft could more than triple based on demand from Middle Eastern and Asian countries.

The company currently has a backlog of 30 F-16s, but anticipates orders for additional aircraft could increase its sales by at least another 60 examples, says Kenneth Possenriede, executive vice-president and chief financial officer of Lockheed Martin on the firm’s third quarter earnings call on 22 October.

“In our plan, we see countries like Morocco and other countries out in the Far East that in aggregate could grow our backlog by another 60 aircraft,” he says. “We see a great future for F-16.”

Lockheed Martin is currently building one F-16 per month at its Greenville, South Carolina facility, which this year started producing the fighter after production was moved from Fort Worth, Texas. The company just recently started building Bahrain’s first F-16 Block 70 aircraft, which is scheduled to be delivered before the end of 2021. The Middle Eastern country ordered 16 examples for $1.12 billion in 2018.

The Greenville facility will also handle production of 14 examples of the F-16 Block 70 for Slovakia. The US government is also negotiating Bulgaria's planned acquisition of F-16 Block 70 aircraft. And, in March 2019 the US State Department approved the possible sale of 25 new production F-16 Block 72 aircraft and F-16V upgrades for Morocco.

Besides countries that have already disclosed interest in the F-16, Possenriede did not explain where the additional orders would come from. Should more orders be signed Lockheed Martin anticipates increasing its production pace from one aircraft per month to up to three per month. The Greenville facility has capacity to produce up to four aircraft per month, the company says.

Possenriede nodded to Taipei’s interest in the F-16 and the US State Department’s approval of the possible sale, but did not name Taiwan as a prospective buyer. The deal is contested by China which views selling arms or helping Taiwan as challenging its claim that the self-ruled democratic country should be controlled by Beijing.

“There’s discussion about another country in the Far East that could want as much as 66 [examples of the F-16], and we will see where that goes,” Possenriede says of Taiwan’s interest.

Moreover, Lockheed Martin sees a big opportunity to sell the F-21 variant of the F-16 to India.

“We are going to build that aircraft in India if we win that programme,” says Possenriede. “That programme would be worth $10 [billion] to $15 billion.”


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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby SaiK » 29 Oct 2019 09:46

Rafale should reduce RCS by half. It could be more on the rear rather than frontal. However, on all sides, they have huge promise, but at huge price. Rafale is darn expensive.. we have got to think hard on homegrown platforms.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Kartik » 08 Nov 2019 02:03

Saab flies its new Arexis jamming pod on board a Gripen twin seater

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Saab's new electronic attack jammer pod in the air

06 November 2019

Saab carried out the first flight tests with its new advanced Electronic Attack Jammer Pod (EAJP) with successful results on 4 November 2019. The pod’s interfaces with the aircraft’s hardware and software as well as cockpit control and monitoring were tested during the flight.

The purpose of Saab’s new EAJP pod is to protect aircraft against radars by sophisticated jamming functions, thereby blocking the opponent’s ability to attack them. The first flight marks an important step of the pod’s development programme.

Saab is sharpening its electronic attack capabilities and the new advanced pod is an important element of this development. The EAJP is a strong complement to the built-in electronic attack capabilities of the highly advanced on-board electronic warfare system on Saab’s new Gripen E/F fighter. It can also be used on other aircraft types. The pod forms part of Saab’s Arexis family of electronic warfare systems.

“We performed the flight tests with a Gripen fighter and this new pod is an important part of the development of our new electronic attack capability”, says Anders Carp, Senior Vice President and Head of Saab’s business area Surveillance.
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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Kartik » 09 Nov 2019 01:22

More details on the EAJP pod that has been developed as part of the Arexis family of EW equipment.

Ultra-wide band,
DRFM,
L-band and S-band AESA GaN transmitters,
Weight<350 kg

This would be very useful for future Balakot type scenarios, where the strike jet package includes one jet carrying the Escort Jammer pod to blind and confuse PAF AWACS and fighter radars. This is still a prototype but when it enters production, it will be worth looking into as an off-the-shelf Escort Jammer pod for the Tejas Mk1A and MWF.

Saab begins escort jammer flight testing

Saab has begun flight testing of a low-band Electronic Attack Jammer Pod (EAJP) developed as part of the company's Arexis family of fast-jet electronic-warfare (EW) equipment.

A Swedish Air Force two-seat Gripen D aircraft made a first test flight with the EAJP pod on 4 November. Saab said the pod's interfaces with the aircraft's hardware and software, as well as cockpit control and monitoring, were tested during the flight "with successful results".

Announced by Saab's EW business unit in 2017, the Arexis line leverages from technology building blocks already in development for the Multi Functional System (MFS)-EW self-protection suite equipping the new Saab JAS 39 Gripen E fighter. These building blocks include ultra-wideband digital receivers and digital radio frequency memory devices, gallium nitride (GaN) solid-state active electronically scanned array (AESA) transmitters, interferometric direction-finding systems, and high-speed digital signal-processing architectures.

The EAJP escort jamming pod is intended to provide strike packages with an airborne electronic attack capability to defeat early warning radars. The baseline design incorporates L-band and S-band GaN-based AESA antennas in the fore and aft sections of the main pod structure, with large very high frequency (VHF) and ultra-high frequency (UHF) fin antennas mounted externally. Weighing less than 350 kg, this version has been specifically designed for integration with single-engine fighters such as the Gripen E.


Saab took the decision in 2017 to self-invest in the build of a prototype system, with the assembly and integration of the demonstrator pod completed at the company's Järfälla site near Stockholm at the start of 2019. "We had the system into [anechoic] chamber testing less than 18 months after starting development," Jonas Grönberg, Saab's head of marketing, sales, and emerging products for Fighter EW, told Jane's earlier this year. "This is a pre-production model, covering the L- and S-bands, designed for a limited number of flight hours and a limited flight envelope.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby brar_w » 12 Nov 2019 03:17

Stand in or Escort jamming using a small SEF with some fairly small sized pods is going to get increasingly difficult in dense IADS scenarios where non VLO aircraft are going to be constantly battling between maintaining altitude or sensor reach. If you require a tactical escort jammer to maintain altitude in order to do what it has to do then it needs a decent stand off range to protect itself and do what it has to do..This is the challenge and why using MIL drones or stand in jammers is appealing when mixed with stand-off jammers that can add distance between them and their targeted SAM systems. For a mix of 4-4.5 gen. aircraft may well be stand in deployable jammers, and highly capable self-defensive suites. Leave the heavy jamming to platforms that can generate the type of power to do the mission reliably and effectively or else risk these platforms being shot down exposing the entire strike package to higher risk. SAAB has created a G and flight envelope limited pod for some very basic demonstrations and yet, despite it being a much publicized project for more than 2.5 years neither Sweden nor Brazil has taken it up. I think there is a fundamental disconnect between the way SAAB envisions it to be deployed and between what the end user thinks is a sound employment strategy for EW/EA.


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