MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 23 Nov 2018 23:04

Gripen E Flies with Meteor
http://www.indiastrategic.in/2018/11/13 ... th-meteor/

The flight included two Meteor missiles and the Gripen E aircraft (designated 39-8) was operated from Saab’s airfield at Linköping, Sweden. “The aircraft continues to perform as smoothly as we have seen throughout the whole flight test phase flying with external stores. I’m really looking forward to the upcoming steps in the flight test programme, taking us closer and closer to completing weapon integration. Meteor makes Gripen E extremely capable in the air dominance role”, says Robin Nordlander, Gripen experimental test pilot, Saab. This test with Meteor is a part of the weapon integration progress in the Gripen E test programme and marks an important milestone in the agreement with the Swedish customer. The next step is to continue to fly with different configurations and gradually expand the flight envelope.

Meteor is an active radar guided BVRAAM, superior to other missiles of its type, and capable of engaging air targets autonomously, day or night, in all weathers and in harsh electronic warfare environments. The missile’s ramjet propulsion system gives Meteor its high-speed performance and the energy to defeat fast, moving targets at very long range. Gripen C/D with the Swedish Air Force in 2016 was the world’s first fighter aircraft to be operational with the Meteor missile. The Meteor programme is one of Europe’s most successful defence collaborations and sees the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden joining together to create a game-changer for air combat. Saab is a partner in the Meteor programme in conjunction with Prime Contractor MBDA UK.

In October, Saab successfully completed a test flight by a Gripen E aircraft with the Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM) for the first time.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby chola » 24 Nov 2018 10:37

^^^ Basically a Tejas-class fighter with a F414 engine that we will get on the MK2. Why the hell is it even in consideration???

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 26 Nov 2018 23:53

IAF to select 110 fighters after multi-role combat aircraft results
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... MaphM.html

November 26, 2018

The process to select 110 fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF) will draw upon the field evaluation results of the now-cancelled Medium Muti-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) purchase deal to shorten and hasten the process, senior officials in the ministry of defence who aren’t authorised to speak to the media said. In 2015, the Narendra Modi-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government at the Centre scrapped the US$ 20 billion (approx INR 140 billion) MMRCA project. Instead, it opted to buy 36 Rafale aircraft from French defence manufacturing giant Dassault through a government-to-government contract with France. The ~58,000 crore deal has triggered a major political controversy, with the Opposition alleging corruption and wrongdoing in the purchase of the aircraft which the government has vehemently denied. Strapped with an ageing and depleting fighter fleet, IAF had  floated a Request for Information (RFI) – a global tender – to buy 110 fighters. Of the 110 jets, around 85% will have to be built in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme in partnership with an Indian manufacturer under the Strategic Partnership (SP) route.

“What was tested earlier and proved will not be put to test again,” the officer said. “When we evaluate fighters now, only new additions, systems of the aircraft, and modifications made to the aircraft, if any, will be put to test. We have decided not to go through the entire process again. This will substantially cut down the time,” the first defence ministry officer said. What may come as a relief to IAF is that all six global manufacturers who have responded to the RFI – Lockheed Martin F-16 and SAAB Gripen with single-engine fighters, and Boeing F-18, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and United Aircraft Corporation MiG-35 with twin-engine fighters – were also contenders for the previous MMRCA deal. The air force is now in the process of finalising the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR) – a list of must-have capabilities and parameters – for the aircraft. “We are ensuring that ASQR takes into account the disruptive and transformative technologies that are likely to be a reality in the coming decades. The ASQR will be complete in the next few weeks,” a second official involved in the acquisition process said.

“We hope to get a nod from the ministry (of defence) by March 2019,” the officer added. With a new government expected to be sworn in next May, the IAF is keen to complete as much of the process as possible before that. “We hope to start the process of field evaluation by next June and complete it as early as possible, so that commercial negotiation can start,” the second officer said. Commercial negotiations are precurser to signing a contract. The IAF spokesperson was not available for comment. Experts and former IAF test pilots who were involved in the acquisition of aircraft, however, said “using previous test results” is practical but advised caution at the same time. “It is not necessary to test proven points in the QSR again; all previous points on which a platform was found to be non-complaint should be checked,” Air Marshal RK Sharma (retd), former Vice Chief of IAF and test pilot, said. “Importantly, when checking fresh add-ons, modifications to a platform the IAF must ensure is that they check all parameters that the modification will affect,” he said. “The process that follows the selection of the aircraft like commercial negotiations, etc, should also be completed quickly,” he said.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 26 Nov 2018 23:54

Since the Su-35 never even took part in the first MMRCA contest, they will have to test the aircraft on ALL parameters. Neither did the Gripen E take part in the first competition either. Circumventing that process will be a violation of norms which the Congress will latch on to very quickly. Strap yourselves in for the long haul!

Of all the six birds though, the Su-35 has arguably the greatest maneuverability. However that is not the only measure on which it will be evaluated. From an optics perspective though and QC issue, HAL can make switch from Su-30MKI production to Su-35 production. I still believe the Rafale has the edge overall, especially in the F4 variant.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 27 Nov 2018 00:14

chola wrote:^^^ Basically a Tejas-class fighter with a F414 engine that we will get on the MK2. Why the hell is it even in consideration???

Where is Mk2? Actually where is Mk1A? I am not deriding the Tejas program, but is there a flying prototype of the Mk2? There are two flying prototypes of the Gripen E. Flying & testing being the key words. Disclaimer - I am not a fan of the Gripen E :)

The IAF - via the MoD - put out a RFI. Global vendors will respond. Billions of dollars could flow in their coffers. Why would any vendor NOT put their wares in for consideration?

From our perspective....consideration is not a sin, but choosing the wrong platform is :)

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby ramana » 27 Nov 2018 01:02

Rakesh was the Tejas Mk2 funded by MoD?

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 27 Nov 2018 01:03

AFAIK, no Ramana-ji. But IR can definitely confirm.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby abhik » 27 Nov 2018 10:34

Mk2 was approved a decade ago, they have been going slow on it for the last few years (I think chaiwala news was reported on this by IR and JS).

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Karan M » 27 Nov 2018 11:01

Rakesh wrote:
chola wrote:^^^ Basically a Tejas-class fighter with a F414 engine that we will get on the MK2. Why the hell is it even in consideration???

Where is Mk2? Actually where is Mk1A? I am not deriding the Tejas program, but is there a flying prototype of the Mk2? There are two flying prototypes of the Gripen E. Flying & testing being the key words. Disclaimer - I am not a fan of the Gripen E :)

The IAF - via the MoD - put out a RFI. Global vendors will respond. Billions of dollars could flow in their coffers. Why would any vendor NOT put their wares in for consideration?

From our perspective....consideration is not a sin, but choosing the wrong platform is :)


The MK2 program has undergone a complete change. From a LCA Mk1+++ to a full blown MMRCA. I'd be surprised if the original timelines can hold. For this MRCA part 2, I hope Dassault shows some sense and meets GOI midway with TOT to get more Rafales into the AF, otherwise everyone loses.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Karan M » 27 Nov 2018 11:04

abhik wrote:Mk2 was approved a decade ago, they have been going slow on it for the last few years (I think chaiwala news was reported on this by IR and JS).


Have you seen this news. This is a recent decision. Nothing here about going slow etc but clearly the IAF has asked for a radical upgrade (better than cribbing about an iterative one).

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 214939.cms

BENGALURU: India is redesignating the Mark-2 upgrade of the homegrown Tejas aircraft as a medium weight fighter due to its increased weight and weapon carrying capacity. It is also designing the plane to replace the Mirage-2000 fleet of the Indian Air Force.

Aeronautical Development Agency, the design agency of the indigenous fighter aircraft programme, has finalised the systems and is looking to freeze the design of the medium weight fighter in a couple of months, a top scientist told ET. It is expected to have a maximum take off weight of 17.5 tonnes with an improvement of over 85% in weapons and payload carrying capacity to that of Tejas, light combat aircraft (LCA).
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“The LCA was designed to replace the MiG-21aircraft, whereas the Mk-2 is being designed to replace the Mirage 2000,” Dr Girish Deodhar, programme director of ADA told ET. “It is being redesignated as a medium weight fighter.”


Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/64214939.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 28 Nov 2018 00:48

Karan M wrote:The MK2 program has undergone a complete change. From a LCA Mk1+++ to a full blown MMRCA. I'd be surprised if the original timelines can hold. For this MRCA part 2, I hope Dassault shows some sense and meets GOI midway with TOT to get more Rafales into the AF, otherwise everyone loses.

Thank you Karan for confirming this.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby ramana » 28 Nov 2018 02:37

Rakesh and KaranM, Looks like the new IAF plan based on numbers is;

Mig 21 replacement: Tejas Mk1, Mk1A (123)
Mirage 2000 (50) replacement : Rafale (36)
Rafale replacement: Tejas Mk2 (50+36+ 18 or 36)

If this thought process is right expect 1 or 2 squadrons more Rafales if price is right.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Cain Marko » 28 Nov 2018 09:45

Not radical enough imho. They should aim for a twin engined bird with 2x kaveri. The two engines will compensate for thrust if the engines fall a little short. The empty weight should be fulcrum or raffle spec and program should follow mirage 4k model

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 28 Nov 2018 21:27

That twin engine bird is AMCA. No point in creating another 4th generation aircraft. Too late for that now. Let them focus on Tejas Mk1A and Mk2.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 28 Nov 2018 21:33

Moved my own post from IAF: News & Discussion dhaaga....

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Mirage 2000s from Taiwan are M2K-5s.

https://twitter.com/China_SCS_info/stat ... 7048857600 ---> Indian Air Force opportunity to get extra fighters: Taiwan will retire its ageing Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft due to high maintenance costs and to make room in the budget for new F-16s. 56 remain operational. “We would like to sell them to a third country,” said one source.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 28 Nov 2018 22:51

There is no doubt the Mirage 2000-5 airframes are very robust, albeit if these have operated extensively over the sea, then we best check them for corrosion.
But that apart, getting them to the common - I standard, will not be cheap. That is the sticking point. I fully anticipate an empowered babu (fed up of imports and well versed in babu speak) to speak up say, "whyfore whatfor sirs are we buying old Mirajj fighter jet when we have MRCA 2 going on". In this fracas, hopefully Tejas Mk1A and Mk2 will arrive, and cough cough, IAF may have to order substantial numbers. :lol:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vips » 28 Nov 2018 23:01

To think that the whole MRCA joke started because IAF wanted 120 Mirage 2K's and GOI missed the offer on getting the Mirage 2000 assembly lines to India.

This is a very good opportunity to increase the squadron numbers up by 3 if the birds are in good condition. Would be specially sweet as indirectly India would be playing its part in arming Taiwan with a more potent platform.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 28 Nov 2018 23:10

Those Mirage 2000s also need to be cost-effective. France's upgrades dont come cheap. That money may be better spent in buying more Tejas Mk1A and accelerating Mk2. The upgraded Mirage 2000s, unlike Tejas, wont come with an AESA, Indian weapons or customizable avionics either.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 28 Nov 2018 23:11

Also, why should India fund Taiwan, which is cash-rich in all likelihood and should take the responsibility for its own defence.
Our budgets are not exactly liberal either. Our needs are humongous.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 28 Nov 2018 23:16

I occasionally bring in political economics into these discussions as unpopular as that may be, because all this talk of GDP to military expenditure is a bit unrealistic given the realities on the ground.
We are heading into an election year, and every bit of money on the table is required by the Govt to head off this agitation, or address that subsidy or prop up this bank (just look at the IL&FS scenario, now the bank recapitalization). The Govt of the day has to balance economic imperatives with the needs of a populace completely used to welfare state freebies (and who react violently if they are withdrawn, see the caste based agitations), huge social spend requirements (pending for some 70 years, which is what Swacch Bharat is), and also make sure "the India story" is not derailed. In this milieu, military expenditure has to be judiciously doled out. Its happening without scams and with a focus on Make In India. That is the key thing.
Buying second hand Mirages does not fit into that plan. Buying more Tejas keeps jobs in India and saves forex.

Again, lets focus on the basics.
- Get Tejas deliveries on track
- Get Su-30 serviceability up and all capabilities fixed (EW, BVR)
- Get all our existing equipment to a high state of serviceability and plug gaps (IFR, weaponry, EW, datalinks, ISR)

Then lets talk of buying all this stuff.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby nam » 28 Nov 2018 23:33

Interesting how France got to sell the M2K to Taiwan. No screaming from Chinis?

The quid pro must have been the engine tech deal and other dual use items with China.

Sell both sides.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 29 Nov 2018 00:05

Yes, PRC got stuff like sonars, combat information systems, crotale SAMs, all before the Tianenmen sanctions. After that, loads of wink-nod-nudge dual-use items like powerplant tech, optronics and of course dollops of manufacturing tech via "civilian" JVs like Airbus.
They made full use of it.

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Postby Cain Marko » 29 Nov 2018 11:18

tempting though esp if price is right. induction could be quick too. frnch upgs are pricey indeed but then these are already upg standard albeit not to the level of iaf version probly.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Manish_P » 29 Nov 2018 13:01

^ But Rakesh ji this part -
Taiwan will retire its ageing Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft due to high maintenance costs and to make room in the budget for new F-16s.


Now imagine our Media and Opposition parties (and the Khan lobby) going hammer and tongs at the GOI, in the election season, for buying old 2nd hand French aircraft from Taiwan (of the cheap chinese stuff repute) which are costlier to maintain, over newer made-in-Amreeka aircraft

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Viv S » 29 Nov 2018 13:30

Manish_P wrote:Now imagine our Media and Opposition parties (and the Khan lobby) going hammer and tongs at the GOI, in the election season, for buying old 2nd hand French aircraft from Taiwan (of the cheap chinese stuff repute) which are costlier to maintain, over newer made-in-Amreeka aircraft

Election season is only another 4-5 months. A deal like this will take years to hammer out.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Manish_P » 29 Nov 2018 13:40

^ There is always some election going on somewhere in Desh, if not the actual polling then the noisy dramas and ruckus about scams (imagined or real) fuelled by the need for TRPs :)

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Philip » 29 Nov 2018 19:55

If the M2Ks are available for a real bargain , they may be worth it.However, thd real outrage pricewise is the approx.$50M for each upgrade of our existing M2Ks, when a brand new MIG-35 costs only $35M and a brand nes MKI built in Russia only a little more.Who'ld want an old hag of an M2K instead of a new MKI BMos capable too?

Unless we do the upgrades ourselves or get the Israelis to assist to drastically reduce the cost of upgrades, it would be financially untenable remdmbering that 67 MIG-×9 upgrades are only costing $ 900M for the lot, around $13M comlared to the $50M for M2Ks which will cost extra for labour a spat between the IAF and HAL
over who should pay for the same! Also remember the spares/ maintenance issue why Taiwan is junking them.
No guesses as to who will make a killing out of this in the future.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Vips » 29 Nov 2018 21:00

MIGS should simply not be in the equation. Modernized or not they are crap. Rather go for more SU30 MKI's to keep the HAL Unions happy and its workers employed.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 30 Nov 2018 00:41

I moved all discussions of the used Taiwanese M2Ks from the IAF: News & Discussion dhaaga into here. Better suited here.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 30 Nov 2018 01:29

EOI = Expression Of Interest?

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1068056572503490562 ----> On the IAF’s single engine fighter contest being widened into what is effectively an ‘MMRCA 2.0’ race, @Saab’s Asia-Pacific head Dean Rosenfield says, "We have to roll with it. Right now we’re waiting for the elections. We expect the EOI stage after."

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 30 Nov 2018 02:15

Now Su Swami is suggesting to US companies to protest the Rafale G2G purchase after calling for open tender to evaluate the bids.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Rakesh » 30 Nov 2018 02:17

ramana wrote:Now Su Swami is suggesting to US companies to protest the Rafale G2G purchase after calling for open tender to evaluate the bids.

Hell will freeze over, when that happens!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 30 Nov 2018 11:01

ramana wrote:Now Su Swami is suggesting to US companies to protest the Rafale G2G purchase after calling for open tender to evaluate the bids.

And this is why this guy will always remain outside the GOI, given what a loose cannon he can be. Whatever the antecedents of the original MMRCA deal, the current G2G one was above board.He should not be going against the GOI's decision in this manner.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby pandyan » 30 Nov 2018 15:52

This is what he actually posted. it doesnt look like he is encouraging others against goi
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1068128325225377792
The US arms merchants are mulling moving US Congress to blacklist India because we had committed global tenders for weapons purchase but went for “govt to govt” purchase in which India has given up on sovereign guarantee and opted for a diluted assurance of French govt. Beware!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 30 Nov 2018 16:00

Mea culpa! If anything he is warning the GOI. I'll edit my post.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Kartik » 01 Dec 2018 01:56

From AW&ST


Saab Flies Second Gripen E As Testing Accelerates

Aerospace Daily & Defense Report Nov 27, 2018 , p. 7
Graham Warwick

Gripen E 39-9: Saab
Saab’s second Gripen E test aircraft, designated 39-9, completed a 33-min. first flight from Linkoping, Sweden, on Nov. 26.

The aircraft will be used for testing of tactical systems and sensors, the manufacturer says.

Saab test pilot Robin Nordlander was at the controls for the first sortie, which validated flight characteristics and tested software, the life-support system and radios, the company says.

The first Gripen E, aircraft 39-8, made its first flight in June 2017 and last month conducted the first missile launch of the test program, firing a Diehl BGT Defense IRIS-T short-range air-to-air missile over Sweden’s Vidsel test range as part of the weapons integration effort.

Also in October, aircraft 39-8 completed its first flight with the MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile. “This test … marks an important milestone in the agreement with the Swedish customer,” Saab says. The next step is to fly with different configurations and gradually expand the flight envelope.

“Phase 1 testing [with 39-8] was to conduct initial envelope expansion and verification of general aircraft systems including the new avionics suite. The aircraft has shown expected performance and behavior, with high availability and reliability,” Saab says.

“A maintenance and ground trials period followed Phase 1 flight testing. The aircraft carried out ground vibration trials with external stores, preparing for the next flight trial phase with external stores, the phase we are in now,” the company adds.

“This second aircraft [39-9] allows us to expand the trial activities as we test more functionality with onboard systems, whilst with two aircraft now flying we are increasing the overall pace of testing in the program,” Saab says.

“The 39-9 aircraft contains both software and hardware updates relative to 39-8,” the company says. “For example, the avionics system is upgraded and hardware changes include new communications and life-support systems.” Next to fly will be aircraft 39-10 and the first Brazilian Gripen E.

Sweden plans to buy 60 Gripen Es, while Brazil has ordered 28 Gripen Es and eight two-seat Gripen Fs. Deliveries to both customers are to begin in 2019. “The program is on track to start deliveries to both the Swedish and Brazilian customers,” Saab says, adding that a number of aircraft are in final assembly.

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 01 Dec 2018 03:47

Some more OEM whining....title of article is related to the VSHORAD contest and not the MMRCA contest.

SAAB threatens MoD with legal action
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/11 ... ction.html

“My company, like the others, spent over $50 million on the MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) contest. And at the end of it, what do we have? A handful of Rafale fighters bought and a fresh process initiated, on which will have to spend millions more,” says a senior executive in an aerospace OEM.

“So far, we have always returned to India, given the attractiveness of the market. But, at some stage, we would not be able to justify the expenditure to our boards. That will mean India will gradually have fewer options to choose from”, says a senior aerospace OEM executive.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

Postby Rakesh » 01 Dec 2018 03:51

pandyan wrote:This is what he actually posted. it doesnt look like he is encouraging others against goi
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1068128325225377792
The US arms merchants are mulling moving US Congress to blacklist India because we had committed global tenders for weapons purchase but went for “govt to govt” purchase in which India has given up on sovereign guarantee and opted for a diluted assurance of French govt. Beware!

Wow, lose a contest and this is how they behave! What are they hoping to achieve by blacklisting India?

How is LM/Boeing planning to sell AH-64s, CH-47s, C-130s and other goodies to the Indian Air Force, if India is blacklisted?

What happened to Major Defence Partner and Strategic Partnership? :lol:

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 01 Dec 2018 03:55

Beware Lockheed Martin! Do you really want to win the MRCA contest? :lol: From Arvind Kejriwal in Oct 2018....

https://twitter.com/TroluKejri/status/1 ... 0954985473 ---> Why is defence manufacturing of F-16 fighter jets given to Tata instead of HAL? Tata is a salt manufacturing company with no experience in fighter jets. What's the deal with Tata, Modi-ji? :rotfl:

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Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Postby Rakesh » 01 Dec 2018 03:58

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 8604168193 ---> Lockheed Martin offers the top end technologies to Indian armed forces: Vivek Lall, VP of Strategy and Business Development. 114 F 16 Block 70 with technologies from F-35 and later F-35 itself?

Response to the above tweet below....

https://twitter.com/DFI_Sancho/status/1 ... 9532589059 ---> If Tata could use the windscreen wiper of a Jaguar F Type in a Nano, it could also be advertised with "the same technologies", but that doesn't make the Nano to an F Type right?


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