Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Indranil » 09 Oct 2018 22:10

Gyan wrote:LCA already has a huuge draggy wing. Rather than adding canard, perhaps it would be better to adopt AMCA wing design or layout. (without internal bay off course)

Are huge wings draggy???

You are either trolling, or have zero knowledge of basic aerodynamics. In either case, you should not have posted. Consider this an informal warning.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Rakesh » 09 Oct 2018 23:50

Karan M wrote:
JayS wrote:Guess what is this..? :mrgreen:

Made in Amethi Gripen :lol:

:rotfl: Good one Saar! and nice find JayS. She is gorgeous!

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby suryag » 10 Oct 2018 14:19

Jays Sir, as expected the idrw kids copied your image, dude seriously these guys need to have some shame ... anyways i like them as news aggregators but hate them for the lack of editorial ethics.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby ks_sachin » 10 Oct 2018 15:00

suryag wrote:Jays Sir, as expected the idrw kids copied your image, dude seriously these guys need to have some shame ... anyways i like them as news aggregators but hate them for the lack of editorial ethics.

What a lovely oxymoron!!
Editorial Ethics...

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Neshant » 10 Oct 2018 15:33

JayS wrote:
Gyan wrote:LCA already has a huuge draggy wing. Rather than adding canard, perhaps it would be better to adopt AMCA wing design or layout. (without internal bay off course)


Where did you get this from..? And who says canards add to drag..? And how adopting AMCA wing design (basically creating a new aircraft) makes any sense..?

This is trolling, I say.


Supposedly Russians got rid of canards in the Su-35 due to drag.

The reasons are probably more complex than any simplistic conclusion like the above.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby JayS » 12 Oct 2018 11:49

Neshant wrote:
JayS wrote:
Where did you get this from..? And who says canards add to drag..? And how adopting AMCA wing design (basically creating a new aircraft) makes any sense..?

This is trolling, I say.


Supposedly Russians got rid of canards in the Su-35 due to drag.

The reasons are probably more complex than any simplistic conclusion like the above.

And why did they add canard in Su-30..? Because Su-27 was too sleek and they wanted to create export version with more drag and lesser capabilities...? :wink:

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby JayS » 12 Oct 2018 11:55

suryag wrote:Jays Sir, as expected the idrw kids copied your image, dude seriously these guys need to have some shame ... anyways i like them as news aggregators but hate them for the lack of editorial ethics.


Ha ha. I should have put a small marker on the image. :lol:

Anyway, I shot a tweet to the buggers. The picture has also landed on Chinese Twitter "Weibo". :D

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby ArjunPandit » 12 Oct 2018 14:44

JayS wrote:
suryag wrote:Jays Sir, as expected the idrw kids copied your image, dude seriously these guys need to have some shame ... anyways i like them as news aggregators but hate them for the lack of editorial ethics.


Ha ha. I should have put a small marker on the image. :lol:

Anyway, I shot a tweet to the buggers. The picture has also landed on Chinese Twitter "Weibo". :D

Ir And you've been saying that for last few years

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 12 Oct 2018 17:06

This is what the chinese poster had to say about it:

LCA光辉MK2构性研究之一,看来可动边条已经满足不了三哥的需求了 ​​​​

One of the LCA brilliant MK2 configuration studies, it seems that the movable edge strip can not meet the needs of the third brother.


Translated using Google Translate so not sure if accurate.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Gagan » 12 Oct 2018 19:08

Tejas MK-1 >> Mig-21
Tejas MK-2 >> Mirage 2000 replacement

Now MK-1 is way more superior to the Mig-21
The MK-1A, hits any comparision for a six !

Similar can be expected of the Mk-2 as well

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby jpremnath » 12 Oct 2018 20:08

JayS wrote:
suryag wrote:Jays Sir, as expected the idrw kids copied your image, dude seriously these guys need to have some shame ... anyways i like them as news aggregators but hate them for the lack of editorial ethics.


Ha ha. I should have put a small marker on the image. :lol:

Anyway, I shot a tweet to the buggers. The picture has also landed on Chinese Twitter "Weibo". :D


In the watermark, you should also add, "not for publishing at idrw"
That should shut those shameless guys...

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby JayS » 12 Oct 2018 20:37

ArjunPandit wrote:
JayS wrote:
Ha ha. I should have put a small marker on the image. :lol:

Anyway, I shot a tweet to the buggers. The picture has also landed on Chinese Twitter "Weibo". :D

Ir And you've been saying that for last few years


I just can't remember about the IDRW thugs before posting something. May be during the coming AI-19.
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JayS wrote:
Ha ha. I should have put a small marker on the image. :lol:

Anyway, I shot a tweet to the buggers. The picture has also landed on Chinese Twitter "Weibo". :D


In the watermark, you should also add, "not for publishing at idrw"
That should shut those shameless guys...

Ha ha. Thats a good idea.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby SaiK » 17 Oct 2018 11:20

It is 323 324.

UAE ‘interested’ in HAL-made light combat aircraft Tejas
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 253936.cms

But HAL will first have to meet the demands of the IAF. It is trying to meet IAF’s demand for 123 Tejas. The IAF is also looking at inducting more than 200 Tejas Mark 2. However, the projects are heavily delayed.

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We need more production lines.

How about 5?

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Q: will pakis to get to fly Tejas if we sell to UAE?

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Oct 2018 13:47

^^packees would give both the kidneys for getting hands on tejas

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby JTull » 17 Oct 2018 13:59

SaiK wrote:It is 323 324.
_____
Q: will pakis to get to fly Tejas if we sell to UAE?


This is a strategic asset and India will do everything it can to protect it. You know, IAF pilots can be deputed too! And very likely, a team from HAL.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 17 Oct 2018 16:43

SaiK wrote:It is 323 324.

Actually, according to Air chief, it's only 231.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby SaiK » 18 Oct 2018 03:23

Trikaal wrote:
SaiK wrote:It is 323 324.

Actually, according to Air chief, it's only 231.

This was only last month - oped. https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/09 ... firms.html

perhaps you are hinting 231 Mk2s. yay! [it has to meet chief's conditions though per this article]

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Katare » 18 Oct 2018 05:32

18 sqadrons - 324 aircraft

20+20+83+201=324

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby SaiK » 19 Oct 2018 03:50

But what about the Tejas Mk.2? The planned up-engined, beefed up Tejas variant has hit a bit of a vacuum now, with the IAF all but pronouncing that it won’t be pursuing the type. A contest awarded to GE for the the F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engine hasn’t translated into a contract yet. But the Mk.2 programme is still very much on. A top official told Livefist, “As far as ADA and HAL are concerned, we are progressing design and development of Mk.2 as it has been approved by the Govt. There are benefits in continuing with it.”

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Improvements planned on the Tejas Mk.2, apart from the more powerful engine and attendant expansion of op envelope, include new sensors, new indigenous actuators, and a new indigenous avionics architecture. The variant will also involve the removal of 250 kg in ballast weight, a further half ton weight reduction through revised design factors, performance improvements by “aerodynamic refinements of geometry”, an internal electronic warfare suite (incorporate in the Mk.1A plan), a brand new suite of indigenous avionics systems currently under development, a new digital flight control computer, OBOGS for mission endurance. Crucially, the Mk.2 will also sport an additional LP bleed port from the engine, a safety feature to ensure crucial backup for flight-critical Bleed Air Shut Off Valve (BASOV) failure for fuel tank pressurisation. In addition, the type will get fuel system improvements, NVG compatible external lighting with LEDs.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2016/06 ... hosen.html

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Indranil » 19 Oct 2018 05:33

Why are we discussing speculative articles from 2 years back?

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 19 Oct 2018 12:26

SaiK wrote:But what about the Tejas Mk.2? The planned up-engined, beefed up Tejas variant has hit a bit of a vacuum now, with the IAF all but pronouncing that it won’t be pursuing the type. A contest awarded to GE for the the F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engine hasn’t translated into a contract yet.

I don't know what you are talking about. In a recent press release, the air chief categorically stated that the IAF was on board with the Mk2 programme and that they wanted to induct 231 Tejas planes, all generations combined. He also listed the expectations from Mk2, where it is expected to be in the medium aircraft category and match Mirage 2000 in performance parameters.

Here's the youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95TxsfyauCU

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Katare » 20 Oct 2018 02:10

Not 231 Trikaal 324! Seems you didn’t order your 324 Tejas t-shirt.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Gyan » 20 Oct 2018 10:05

I wonder if LCA Mark 2 is adopting the design philosophy of F16XL? Whether we can understand LCA MK2 Better by looking at F-16XL?

Some Good open source Research based Articles on (Cranked Delta Wing of) F-16XL (rather than fan boy estimates)

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/file ... flight.pdf

http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=18581

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Trikaal » 20 Oct 2018 13:32

Katare wrote:Not 231 Trikaal 324! Seems you didn’t order your 324 Tejas t-shirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95TxsfyauCU
Air chief in a presser said IAF wants to recruit 231 Tejas over time. It was a sad day for the '324' t-shirts :(

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby ManuJ » 21 Oct 2018 01:01

We shouldn't get too hung up over the numbers.
The truth is, IAF will induct as many LCAs as HAL can produce in the next 15 years.

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Katare » 21 Oct 2018 06:34

Trikaal wrote:
Katare wrote:Not 231 Trikaal 324! Seems you didn’t order your 324 Tejas t-shirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95TxsfyauCU
Air chief in a presser said IAF wants to recruit 231 Tejas over time. It was a sad day for the '324' t-shirts :(


Don’t be sad my friend, it is 324 only! Put on your T-shirt with pride and confidence. Dhanoa saab made a mistake. Add how many Mig29+MK2+ Jaguars we have that Mk2 would replace.

I have a better source than him, his deputy who is responsible for all of IAF’s procurement. He clearly states that IAF would get 18 sqadrons not 12 like Dhanoa saar said. Watch from 9:30....


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyr0ItNa8xE

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby ks_sachin » 21 Oct 2018 07:06

Katare wrote:
Trikaal wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95TxsfyauCU
Air chief in a presser said IAF wants to recruit 231 Tejas over time. It was a sad day for the '324' t-shirts :(


Don’t be sad my friend, it is 324 only! Put on your T-shirt with pride and confidence. Dhanoa saab made a mistake. Add how many Mig29+MK2+ Jaguars we have that Mk2 would replace.

I have a better source than him, his deputy who is responsible for all of IAF’s procurement. He clearly states that IAF would get 18 sqadrons not 12 like Dhanoa saar said. Watch from 9:30....


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyr0ItNa8xE



First let us complete one squadron...

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Re: Tejas Mk.2: News & Discussions - 25 February 2018

Postby Katare » 21 Oct 2018 19:19

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