CAATSA...An Oxymoron?

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I am of the opinion that CAASTA sanctions are good for India. Independent of our relationship with either Russia and or any other country.

PRC, I believe has not fear of Russia. Nor are they going to need Russia in the long term. Once PRC has perfected the jet engines, it needs for the next generation aircrafts. Which is where it will be in the next under 5 years.

Russia if it's smart will try to keep India in the game in terms of being able to fight PRC to a standstill.

Something that is also of interest to the US. Unless the US establishment relapses into the G2.

India is currently in an unfortunate situation where it in interest of every big power to enhance it's strengths. But every bit of help will keep it dependent on the same power's for 50 years longer than it needs to be.
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US unlikely to impose CAATSA sanctions on India for S-400, but other Russian deals won’t be easy
https://theprint.in/diplomacy/us-unlike ... sy/775259/
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Russia, India to Reinforce Defense Ties as U.S. Considers Sanctions
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-ind ... 1638731615
05 Dec 2021

https://twitter.com/tanvi_madan/status/ ... 19620?s=20 ---> My two paisas in this @WSJ article on Putin's visit to India.

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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 09922?s=20 ---> Reports that both Egypt and Indonesia have indefinitely paused their deals to purchase Russian Su-35s because of fear of US CAATSA sanctions. India only country to go ahead with major arms purchases from Russia without CAATSA fears.
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Why CAATSA sanctions would be counterproductive to the Indo-US strategic partnership
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... rtnership/
30 Nov 2021
Washington understands by now that New Delhi doesn’t seek a formal alliance and Washington does not need it to do so. India will continue its diplomatic relations with Tehran and defense relations with Moscow, while Washington will continue to engage with Islamabad as a major non-NATO ally.
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Rakesh wrote:Why CAATSA sanctions would be counterproductive to the Indo-US strategic partnership
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... rtnership/
30 Nov 2021
Washington understands by now that New Delhi doesn’t seek a formal alliance and Washington does not need it to do so. India will continue its diplomatic relations with Tehran and defense relations with Moscow, while Washington will continue to engage with Islamabad as a major non-NATO ally.

What strategic partnership is there in a mercantile relationship?
The US sells non-offense systems(C-17, C-130, P8I, M-777) to India while selling offensive systems(AMRAAM, JDAMs) to Pakistan
And sanctions Ind even when acquiring defensive systems!
The biggest pinch is for US supporters like ORF in giving advice here!
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Ramana-ji, the decision makers - both in the US and in India - know the real status of the relationship. It is as you said mercantile or also known as transactional. These individuals know how far the relationship can realistically be taken. Both sides view each other with suspicion, despite all the public bonhomie. And India has by and large maintained that relationship - and IMVHO a wise decision - as transactional.

But it is the geopolitical analysts - again both in the US and in India - who hyped this relationship beyond what it could have reasonably sustained. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Observer Research Foundation are prime examples of that. These analysts misread the political environment in India and assumed that India would just be like any other US ally. They created an imaginary Indo-US military alliance that would act as a bulwark against China. That hype-bug was caught by a number of BRFites who weaved some fabulous fantasy stories of the Indo-US relationship i.e. armed with F-18s and fitted with EMALS, INS Vishal (the 65K proposed Indian aircraft carrier) would influence events from Alaska to the South China Sea. And the other gem was 200 F-16s + 100 F-18s for the IAF to replace all her ageing Russian MiGs.

Since 1945, the United States has only dealt with allies that have always dutifully followed the international rules based order system i.e. a creation of the United States. Western Europe, a few South East Asian countries, a good portion of the Middle East, some South American nations and Australia have been the allies that the US has been able to dictate her terms to. And these allies have - by and large - followed that dictum. Significant geopolitical pushback is not something the US has ever experienced with her allies or more affectionately known as poodles on BRF.

The S-400 saga is a prime example of a US ally (or strategic partner) pushing back on something that is not in her best interest. I don't know what other pressure was left available for the US to apply on India (from three US administrations - Obama, Trump and now Biden). Virtually everything was tried - from begging to threatening to cajoling to offering similar platforms. Nothing worked. India held her ground and the United States has finally accepted the reality that the S-400 is there to stay. Applying sanctions at this stage would be counterproductive for the US. As India had to remind the US, CAATSA is not a United Nations law and India is not obligated to adhere to it.

I remember one analyst's article - from a couple of years ago - offering India a multi-point strategy on how to avoid CAATSA sanctions with the S-400 purchase. One point was to accept deliveries of the system, but not to activate it. After spending $ billions on the system, is the US honestly expecting that India would just put some tarpaulins on the launchers (and related systems) and never touch them? This is what happens when analysts view the world through the prism of America is the Centre of the Universe.

At every step, whenever anything significant was offered to India by the United States, they have been put through the ringer of India's famed bureaucracy. The F-16 Block 70/72 during the Single Engine contest, the F-18 Super Hornet for the Naval Fighter contest and now the F-21 & the F-15EX for the 114 MRFA contest are prime examples. These offers vegetate eternally in the twilight abyss of RFI (Request for Information) and RFP (Request for Proposal). But yet the S-400 never had to adhere to this. Again it is the geopolitical analysts who kept highlighting the point that acquiring an American fighter will cement the strategic relationship between the two nations. A point that always been harped on BRF.

But India - more specifically the IAF - never bit that apple. And that puzzled these geopolitical analysts, who in turn scorned India for not making wise decisions. When India would turn to her usual military sellers - Russia and France - these very analysts would complain about poverty in India, the lack of a coherent defense strategy and lack of proper decision making, etc. They stated that if India continued on this path, India would then become just another political football in the US Congress. But when the plethora of US origin equipment (AH-64E Apache, C-130J Super Hercules, C-17 Globemaster, P-8I Neptune, MH-60R, M-777, Sea Guardian, etc) was - or is - being acquired, these same analysts cheered the Indian Government for prescient decision making.

I still remember when the Rafale was technically down selected on 27 April 2011, as part of MMRCA 1.0, US geopolitical analysts were stating that it was a stab in the back by the Govt of India (the then UPA Govt). I find that argument surprising, because the Govt of India has virtually no say in the technical downselect of a plane. That rests solely with the service who is evaluating the technical offers. How can you expect a politician to evaluate a combat aircraft? And these geopolitical analysts are reportedly - or so they claim - among the advisors to the US Government. If the Govt of India had interfered in the technical down select, it would a clear violation of policy. How the ABCs and 123s of Indian military procurement cannot be understood by these PHD armed geopolitical analysts is a mystery to me.

The joint working committees were by and large also quite disappointing for both sides. The JETJWG and the Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation were largely dampers. Neither side could achieve what they wanted. The former crashed spectacularly and the latter I have not heard much about in the news lately. With the events at Doklam in 2017 and Galwan in 2020, these analysts got a new found sense of hope. The scores of articles that came out from these analysts were interesting to read. The hope was at least now, India would awake from her slumber and run into America's all loving arms for safety & security. But despite both incidents, India is still not biting. But to be fair, some equipment has been (or is being) acquired and significant intelligence sharing is happening in the background.

By keeping the relationship transactional, it appears that India is making use of the relationship. And that is a good thing. Offer chai biscoot when the Americans come visiting, smile and nod but continue with business as usual. The US certainly makes very good kit, as we can see in the large variety of platforms that have been (or are being) acquired. If the US is willing to sell and India is willing to buy, by all means go ahead. But a full fledged military alliance? Not happening. India is not interested in being another notch in the belt. India will dance to her own tune.
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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 40384?s=20 ---> Report: Phillipines not worried about CAATSA sanctions for BrahMos order since supplier is India.
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Guess it is time to prepare for CAATSA. The powers that be in America is biding time for India to punish it for not voting against Russia. How effectively India can counter CAATSA also would depend on Russia .. and China !
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How much does the vote in UNSC really matter when Russia anyway vetoes it? Its a one off event from which US and Indian establishment would have already moved on. Looks like we are wishing for a prolonged adverse US reaction hoping it will accelerate Atmanirbhar in Mil tech. Thats a long road with imagined self-sufficient scenario at least 2 decades away despite all the efforts we can muster.

Meanwhile, India has to tread carefully to keep its huge Russian military equipment - fighters, transport a/c, helis, S-400, tanks, ships, submarines, comm systems etc etc in working condition, with spares, upgrades etc, and extract value for every hard earned rupee spent on them.

Observations on the performance of some of these systems and their variants in the ongoing Ukraine war have raised questions on their durability, training of operators, tactics used - all these are causes for concern for India's military planners who one can reasonably assume would have evolved similar training and tactics on the same equipment.

IMHO, in the long run, the trend to reduce Indian military dependency on Russian systems has to continue, especially on new systems acquisition. Atmanirbhar can fill some of the space, but I can't see India getting into a position where we can afford to keep European suppliers, Israel, and US MIC totally out of the equation for at least a couple of decades into the future. Who knows what all might happen in 20 years when so much has happened in the past 20 days ?

Of course there are several other dimensions to India's enmeshing with the west's System 2.0 besides military tech & equipment. Was discussed at length in Strat forum/India-US Relations thread.
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Very much agree., but case on point., its not just dependence on Russian systems, but American, British and Israeli as well !!., we dont need a conflict and then find out our forces depend on some senator's whim for their equipment
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Kit ji, we dont need a conflict and then find out our forces are at a disadvantage since we don't (yet) make certain equipment either. Its an ongoing compromise that we will hopefully reduce progressively in coming years.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 40384?s=20 ---> Report: Phillipines not worried about CAATSA sanctions for BrahMos order since supplier is India.
but the russki components will cause a problem for India and may affect BrahMos
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Playing Good Cop, Bad Cop!! :roll:

CAATSA sanctions on India would be 'extraordinarily foolhardy': Ted Cruz
https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 203739.ece
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Cyrano wrote:
How much does the vote in UNSC really matter when Russia anyway vetoes it? Its a one off event from which US and Indian establishment would have already moved on. Looks like we are wishing for a prolonged adverse US reaction hoping it will accelerate Atmanirbhar in Mil tech. Thats a long road with imagined self-sufficient scenario at least 2 decades away despite all the efforts we can muster.

Meanwhile, India has to tread carefully to keep its huge Russian military equipment - fighters, transport a/c, helis, S-400, tanks, ships, submarines, comm systems etc etc in working condition, with spares, upgrades etc, and extract value for every hard earned rupee spent on them.

Observations on the performance of some of these systems and their variants in the ongoing Ukraine war have raised questions on their durability, training of operators, tactics used - all these are causes for concern for India's military planners who one can reasonably assume would have evolved similar training and tactics on the same equipment.
Americans' mouth is like a fataa jootaa, once you vote against Russia they will demand more. Especially Democrats whom many psuedo wellwishers of Bharat here support thoroughly be it Clinton or Biden.

Of course Russian equipment is not good though we won wars with them, even cut Porkistan in two while Americans attacked us with 75000 ton Vincent but cowards turned tail when inefficient Russian seven Submarines pinged them.

America will use security council against us again (a question of when not us) and then we will need Russian VETO again.

Just like SWIFT, TWITTER and western corporations are weaponized as we saw against Russia.

So is buying weapons from USA. There was a report of a think tank which studied why '98 sanctions failed against us. There CONCLUSION was to make India dependent on American weapons so they can bring India to knees by THREATENING SANCTIONS.

What is the use of efficient f35, f18 when sword of sanctions will be hanging on 30 billion investment?

So called wellwishers whisper here smoothly... but gist is to be anglicized vassals of USA.

Come on gubo and tremble submit to CAATSAW threat of USA.... after all what can helpless India do?

Give voting control on international matters to USA and vote against Russia.

Thanks but no thanks dear biden-harris supporters.
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Sarcasm is no substitute for argument!
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CAATSA has already been applied to russia

Is India next onlee


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Manish_Sharma wrote:
Cyrano wrote:
How much does the vote in UNSC really matter when Russia anyway vetoes it? Its a one off event from which US and Indian establishment would have already moved on. Looks like we are wishing for a prolonged adverse US reaction hoping it will accelerate Atmanirbhar in Mil tech. Thats a long road with imagined self-sufficient scenario at least 2 decades away despite all the efforts we can muster.

America will use security council against us again (a question of when not us) and then we will need Russian VETO again.

So is buying weapons from USA. There was a report of a think tank which studied why '98 sanctions failed against us. There CONCLUSION was to make India dependent on American weapons so they can bring India to knees by THREATENING SANCTIONS.
Quite pertinent points ;
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UN SC vote against us for what? And if at all India takes a very aggressive posture, it would be to defend itself. India doesn't go invading other countries or do stupid stuff that merits condemnation. For wishy washy accusations we can count on vetos from Russia and even France to vote against/abstain. We have enough friends in UN GA thanks to better middle east, neighbourhood policies, vaccine diplomacy etc. I don't see what this line of argument is.

* Selling weapons to India will first stunt India's indigenous mil tech R&D.

* Secondly, US equipment may have "master switches" that can be turned off if the intended usage is not to US liking.

* Thirdly, they can still hold back ammunition, spares, upgrades to cripple us.

* Fourth, they can deny future sales and we cant buy new units to expand that capability/replace losses.

* Fifth, America will put intense pressure to join its coalitions to liberate this country or install democracy in that. Remember GW1,2, Enduring F : so much pressure on India to put boots on ground.

* Sixth, US tech is expensive to buy, operate and maintain, not as customisable like Russian tech to suit Indian needs.

* Seventh, US will be less hesitant to selling similar/competing tech to India's rivals - Pak for ex if they could afford it. We'll have less leverage with US than with French or Russia or Israel.

* Eighth, US will always deny strategic, cutting edge Miltech like N reactors for subs and A/Cs, jet engines, 5+ gen aviation tech, stealth tech or whatever may come next.

Lastly US doesn't need UNSC votes to impose sanctions unilaterally on any nation its pissed with. It can make arbitrary laws like CAATSA and wield it as it pleases.

Right now we have already have a bunch of US equipment. C130, P8-I, Attack Helis, transport helis, Sig rifles, IAF Boeing used by PM.... so far its worked out well. Several new acquisitions are being considered - will they happen is not is India's decision. Reassuring India on the 8 points above is US's job.

Lets see how the current crisis evolves. We can put decisions on hold until the air clears.
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Just declare the sanctions and get on with it
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Cyrano wrote:UN SC vote against us for what? And if at all India takes a very aggressive posture, it would be to defend itself. India doesn't go invading other countries or do stupid stuff that merits condemnation. For wishy washy accusations we can count on vetos from Russia and even France to vote against/abstain. We have enough friends in UN GA thanks to better middle east, neighbourhood policies, vaccine diplomacy etc. I don't see what this line of argument is.
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Lets see how the current crisis evolves. We can put decisions on hold until the air clears.
Cyrano-ji,

I also think Manish_Sharma-ji has a few very valid points

I absolutely support the US and India having a flourishing trade relationship. I support balanced trade i.e. no trade deficit on either side. That is a very fair and reasonable goal

Unfortunately the Venn diagram for US and India's strategic interests do not align quite as much. It makes absolute sense for India to maintain strategic distance and autonomy from the US, while maintaining strategic alignment on areas of convergence. This is India's diplomatic model

The US thought process is quite different. The US diplomatic model has vassal states, near peer adversaries, and the turd world. It's usually "my way or the highway". This thought process can be accommodated in the near term (and to be fair, the US will also be accommodating in the short term) but is not sustainable in the long term

If India chooses to preserve its strategic distance and autonomy from the US, it is inevitable that this will run foul of established US diplomatic models. Not a question of if but when. The tiger does not change its stripes. It's just like expecting equal treatment for Hindus in a Muslim majority state - not sustainable and not gonna happen in the long run. This will eventually manifest in the form of Sanctions ("hard" regime change) and even now is currently visible in the form of NGOs/Civil Society/Hindutva=Fascism campaigns in NYT & Academia ("soft" regime change)

So the practical thing to do, for India, in the near term (10-25 years) is to maintain a robust trade relationship, maintain some degree of military/weapons purchases, keep your head down and accept some degree of restrictions on strategic autonomy. Hedge your risks with < 200 Tejas fighters powered by GE engines + 250 Sukhois + 150 Mirages/Rafales, keep developing Nuclear Warheads/Decoys, Nuclear Missiles, Nuclear Submarines, Supercomputers, Semiconductor Fabs, ASICs, AI/ML Technology, and invest in technologies that the world cannot live without. At that point, you have arrived and are a near peer (adversary? :mrgreen:)

Honestly, as a large robust democracy, India is the only potential long term (> 50 years) competitor to the US. Its not Russia and definitely not China. India's only major challenge is energy. Energy independence will free you from water dependence, security dependence, and food dependence. Perhaps Elon Musk's mars mania has something to recommend itself...
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Remind me! How much did Gora-Ka-Shav finally cost us? And AFAIK despite that its nothing more than a harbour queen :rotfl:
I am not advocating completely not buying Amreeki tech or even Roosi/French tech but there should be razor sharp focus on Atmanirbharta
That's the only hope!
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* Sixth, US tech is expensive to buy, operate and maintain, not as customisable like Russian tech to suit Indian needs.

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From Paul Kolbe, who is the Director of the Intelligence Project at Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He was a Central Intelligence Agency operations officer for 25 years.

Turkey’s Russian Missiles Could Defend Ukraine
https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-ru ... 1647546396
17 March 2022
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Rakesh wrote:From Paul Kolbe, who is the Director of the Intelligence Project at Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He was a Central Intelligence Agency operations officer for 25 years.

Turkey’s Russian Missiles Could Defend Ukraine
https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-ru ... 1647546396
17 March 2022
thats quite hilarious :mrgreen: ( and i mean it seriously ..those "anal"ysts will eat their words in a few days time)

we will see how this plays out.. India please take notes
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kit wrote:
Rakesh wrote:From Paul Kolbe, who is the Director of the Intelligence Project at Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He was a Central Intelligence Agency operations officer for 25 years.

Turkey’s Russian Missiles Could Defend Ukraine
https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-ru ... 1647546396
17 March 2022
thats quite hilarious :mrgreen: ( and i mean it seriously ..those "anal"ysts will eat their words in a few days time)

we will see how this plays out.. India please take notes
Over a year ago I said that the US military had their hands on the S-400 systems acquired by Turkey. The US operates out of Incirlik AFB in Turkey and their militaries do work together for US operations in the ME. CAATSA in regards to India purchasing the S-400 is an oxymoron.
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The Turks may not be able to get spares or maintain the S-400, and although these S-400s may not go to Ukraine, they may end up in one of hundreds of large US DoD warehouses in the US. The Indiana Jones movies depicted such places and yes they do exist.
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March 22. State Dept spokesman. Basically still thinking!

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/15063979 ... tKTkQ&s=19 ---> Responding to ANI's question on whether or not all QUAD partners are in sync with India's historic relationship with Russia, US State Dept Spox Ned Price said, "We're a partner of India when it comes to shared interests...US is a partner of choice for India now."
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Bring it on already.
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Not In India's Best Interest To Continue Investing In Russian Equipment: US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-defe ... nt-2865283
06 April 2022
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I don't know if Mikhail Popov (Deputy Secretary of the Russian Security Council) is making this up or if it is true.

But after reading the post above, if this is indeed true....my goodness! :lol:

US Warns India Against Russia Energy Imports Despite Surge In Its Oil Imports From Moscow
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html
05 April 2022
"The US forced Europeans to introduce anti-Russian sanctions, while not only continuing to import oil from Russia but increasing volume of [oil] deliveries for the past week by 43% up to 100,000 barrels per day! Besides, Washington allowed its companies to import mineral fertilizer from Russia, listing it as essential goods," Popov told Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.
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US companies were barred from entering into contracts for Russian produced oil post March 9th. They have till April 22 to receive shipments on any oil in transit or any contract executed prior to March 9 so this is why the rush to get those shipments in before the deadline which is causing a surge in intake. It is cheaper for these companies to take early deliveries or some future shipments as opposed to eating the cost of trading it since they can’t bring it into the US after April 22.
Through 12:01 eastern daylight time, April 22, 2022, Russia-related General License (GL) 16 authorizes all transactions prohibited by E.O. of March 8, 2022 that are ordinarily incident and necessary to the importation of crude oil; petroleum; petroleum fuels, oils, and products of their distillation; liquefied natural gas; coal; and coal products of Russian Federation origin pursuant to written contracts or written agreements entered prior to March 8, 2022. GL 16 does not authorize entry into new contracts.
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues ... 2022-03-08
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ramana wrote:March 22. State Dept spokesman. Basically still thinking!

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/15063979 ... tKTkQ&s=19 ---> Responding to ANI's question on whether or not all QUAD partners are in sync with India's historic relationship with Russia, US State Dept Spox Ned Price said, "We're a partner of India when it comes to shared interests...US is a partner of choice for India now."
lol :(( .. apparently, they believe in "forced relationships" .. hold a gun at someone's head and saying you are my partner. welcome to the brave new world.
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Joint Press Interaction after the 4th India-USA 2+2 Ministerial dialogue

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The entirety of the press conference, and Jen Psaki's response to an india-specific question suggests that, at least in public, the US understands India's compulsions and interests and will not move against us on our actions. What struck me was that both Blinken and Psaki went into some detail explaining OUR interests, compulsions, and mitigating factors, more than Jaishankar or RNS.

I think there've been blunt and honest conversations at the back-end which have resulted in an understanding between India & US that they'll not force us against Russia and in exchange, we hold the line on the Indo-Pacific against China.
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Re: CAATSA...An Oxymoron?

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Well summarized. I got the same impression.

Jaishankar Sir is doing one amazing job as Foreign Minister. I for one, am very happy.
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CAATSA is like Hyde Act.
And acting as millstone round the neck.
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https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... e8t4Q&s=19 ---> "India doesn’t care what the US does with CAATSA. Jaishankar: “It is their legislation and whatever has to be done has to be done by them.”

Have concerns about human rights in US: EAM Jaishankar
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 828197.cms
14 April 2022
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Both the tweet and the article above are a perfect response to the hypocrisy.

Kudos to Jaishankar Sir.
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Rakesh wrote:Both the tweet and the article above are a perfect response to the hypocrisy.

Kudos to Jaishankar Sir.
after the bootlicking and servile "showering in a raincoat" regime, this stupendous change in India's foreign policy outlook has simply floored the ameriki regime and their deep state

there will surely be a blowback and that is only to be expected.
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Re: CAATSA...An Oxymoron?

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Well said chetak!

That is what more or less I surmised in the Pakistan Armed Forces thread ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7371&start=2000#p2543673
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