Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Sep 2019 22:02

brar_w wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Is it this? Guess this is why the idea never took off!

US Navy looking at bringing retired carrier USS Kitty Hawk out of mothballs
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/1 ... -mothballs
08 June 2017


That was a budget trick and not really a serious idea.

Brar, can you kindly shed some light on the feasibility of bringing the Kitty Hawk and John F Kennedy back to active service?

Technically, almost anything is possible. However, I am more interested in the willingness (i.e. monetary value) to do so.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vivek K » 10 Sep 2019 23:09

Manish - maybe they can bring it to Cochin for service.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nachiket » 10 Sep 2019 23:22

Mode-Note: I have deleted Philip's pointless off-topic posts about US Navy issues. This thread is about the Indian Navy, not the US navy. Make sure you stay on-topic.

Brar and Manish, I deleted your responses to the off-topic posts as well.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 11 Sep 2019 14:39

Sorry Nachi. if there have been inadverdent off-topic posts.Will keep to the topic in future.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby pankajs » 11 Sep 2019 21:09

https://twitter.com/elmihiro/status/1171778817666338816
Mihir Shah @elmihiro

#BREAKING #OSINT: Yesterday, an Indian Army Arihant-class submarine demonstrated a capability that was kept top secret until very recently. Pitching up at a steep angle, it successfully fired three anti-aircraft torpedoes at a target drone. The test was a complete success.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Sep 2019 21:19

He is doing psy-ops against the NaPaks. And it is working. See these links....

https://twitter.com/schaheid/status/1171110794567835651

https://twitter.com/schaheid/status/1171122146741051394

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Kakkaji » 13 Sep 2019 06:00

MoD signs contract with Russian company to modernise radar, missile systems on P-15 class ships

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) on Thursday signed a contract with Russian defence company JSC Rosoboronexport to modernise the radar and missile systems that would enhance the air defence capability of the P-15 ships, according to a statement. As part of the scope of work under modernisation, major overhaul and refurbishment of the systems would be undertaken in India.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nachiket » 13 Sep 2019 10:34

Does this mean we'll get to see VL-Shtil on the P-15s?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby tsarkar » 13 Sep 2019 11:46

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Here you can clearly see rear EO sight mounted on a tower. If COMPASS, it should include a CCD Day Camera, Thermal Imager for night and Laser Range Finder / Designator. It can guide AK-630 and OTO 76/62 guns and via CMS designate MRSAMs.

The stern cutouts in the hull can deploy HUGIN ROVs for MCM & ASW, Towed Array Sonar, Variable Depth Sonar and Mareech decoy towed body.

https://www.ths.org.uk/documents/ths.or ... nd_usv.pdf

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/content/r ... r-vehicles

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/II ... System.pdf

The loops are to ensure tow ropes/bodies dont get snagged with any other part of the ship or other systems. The sliding ramp is used for launching the tow body
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby tsarkar » 13 Sep 2019 12:00

nachiket wrote:Does this mean we'll get to see VL-Shtil on the P-15s?

Better option would have been MF STAR + MRSAM but the hull & structure wouldnt support the additional topweight.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Sep 2019 13:53

Any Chance, P-15's will get a few Brahmos replacing the Uran missiles, although given some of the Pakistani "Corvettes" built by Damen etc, we should have some cheap missiles to sink many of them without wasting Brahmos.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chetak » 13 Sep 2019 23:46

twitter


In a surprise move, Adani Group puts in last-minute bid for Indian Navy's Rs 45,000-crore submarine project.

http://www.ecoti.in/Ua6Fba via @economictimes



The Adani Group does not currently own an active shipyard, which is why the bid has come as a surprise.

Could tie up with the state owned Hindustan Shipyard Limited.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 14 Sep 2019 02:58

Indian Navy’s Delhi Class destroyers to become more lethal with modernised anti-air defence.

Delhi Class guided missile destroyers form part of the main battle Group of Indian Navy, will soon become more powerful with the upgrading of their anti- Air Defence System. India and Russia’s JSC Rosboronexport have signed a contract for the contract for modernisation of “Air Defence Complex Kashmir and Radar Fregat MAE” on P-15 (Delhi Class) of ships. The modernisation of Radar and Missile systems would substantially enhance the Air Defence capability of the P-15 Ships.

According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), the major overhaul and refurbishment of subsystems would be undertaken in India and critical components will be undertaken in partnership here locally.

What is Delhi Class Missile Destroyer?
Delhi Class guided missile destroyers form part of the main battle Group of Indian Navy, with all three ships of its Class viz. IN Ships Delhi (1997), Mysore (1999) and Mumbai (2001) indigenously made at Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL), Mumbai.

At the time of commissioning, the ships were fitted with various weapon suites, with Russian origin weapon packages as the mainstay of ship’s capabilities. The existing Russian Fregat MAE and Kashmir SAMs are major Anti Air warfare systems and are up for modernisation in order to maintain the ship’s capabilities in lines with the modern sea warfare tactics.

What is Radar Fregat-MAE?
According to a naval expert it is shipborne 3D (Range, Bearing, Elevation reporting) radar with a specified role for detection of air and surface targets and is capable of providing Target Designation data to missile systems. This radar has a slightly squinted phased array antenna (for reasons pertaining to radar beamforming) perched on the ship’s superstructure.

“The radar Fregat-MAE forms an integrated Missile Complex with the ship’s twin i.e. Fore and Aft Kashmir SAM systems (an earlier version of Russian SAMs) and both these systems are to be upgraded together in order to achieve the delicate synchronism between the two. Since fitment, these two systems have already completed more than 20 years of service life and technology advancements have been phenomenal during this period. The latest SAMs and Air/Surface surveillance radar systems from Russian armoury are the selected replacements to achieve a larger Air Defence umbrella for own ship and other Fleet ships. The SAMs which are to be faster and least vulnerable to jamming are expected to be from the latest kitty of Russian Naval SAMs like Shtil,” explains Milind Kulshreshtha, Artificial Intelligence and C4I expert.

Such a major system replacements are usually part of a well-planned ship’s upgrade activity and require a major repair and overhaul programme. Installation and commissioning of major Radar and SAM systems is a complex activity and is to be proven in an in an integrated manner also, he adds.

These are finally put through rigorous and stringent Harbour trials and Sea checks, in Indian waters to meet the operating Environmental conditions. However, Indian Navy’s repair Dockyards are fully capable of undertaking and completing such activities in a time-bound manner.

Though the process is time-consuming and arduous but at the end of it all, Indian Navy shall be more confident possessing an upgraded modern power-packed punch within the Fleet by creating an effective and deadly Air screen wall at sea, both during peacetime active roles and in case of any other future eventualities.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 14 Sep 2019 03:47

Aditya_V wrote:Any Chance, P-15's will get a few Brahmos replacing the Uran missiles, although given some of the Pakistani "Corvettes" built by Damen etc, we should have some cheap missiles to sink many of them without wasting Brahmos.

I believe there was proposal to replace it with 2x4 brahmos in inclined launchers I am not sure if it is part of this refit.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Nikhil T » 16 Sep 2019 13:03

TOI:Indian Navy’s P-8I spy planes successfully track Chinese amphibious warship Xian-32 in Southern Indian Ocean Region. Pics of Landing Paltrorm Dock Xian 32 clicked by P-8I surveillance aircraft in 1st half of Sept before it entered Sri Lankan waters.

Added later
https://www.rediff.com/news/report/navy ... 190916.htm


Currently, seven Chinese Navy warships are operating in and around the Indian Ocean Region, including an over 27,000 tonnes amphibious vessel, which have been tracked closely by the Indian Navy using its American-origin P-8I anti-submarine warfare spy planes and other surveillance assets.

In exclusive pictures accessed by ANI, Chinese Landing Platform Dock Xian-32 can be seen passing through the Southern Indian Ocean Region before it entered the Sri Lankan waters earlier this month.

The P-8I anti-submarine warfare and long-range surveillance aircraft have clicked the pictures and are constantly tracking activities and movements of the Chinese vessels while operating here.

Apart from the LPD, the Chinese warships include three each vessels of its counter-piracy escort task force 32 and counter-piracy escort task force 33 which would exchange positions in the Gulf of Aden where they would be deployed.

"They are being constantly monitored during their presence in the Indian Ocean when they pass closer to Indian exclusive economic zone and territorial waters," sources said.

At any point of time, the Chinese Navy deploys around six to seven warships in the region in the name of carrying out anti-piracy drills in the Gulf of Aden but looking at the requirements there, the deployment seems to be more than what is needed.

Sources added that the main aim of the Chinese People's Liberation Army's Navy seems to be power projection in the Indian Ocean Region as they want to spread their influence in the area from where a majority of their trade passes through.

To develop a stronger presence, sources said, the Chinese Navy is building its third aircraft carrier for deployments to the far away shores, and in near future, they would also be venturing out into the Indian Ocean with their Carrier Battle Groups led by the aircraft carrier.

The Chinese Navy has also built a base in Djibouti to help its operations there.

The Indian Navy is currently operating one carrier in form of the INS Vikramaditya and the second one called the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard Limited.

The Navy now wants to build the third aircraft carrier which would be above 60,000 tonnes and will have the capability to be deployed for longer periods.

Sources said the Navy wants a capability where it should have two operational carriers at any point of time which would be possible only when it has three aircraft carriers.

With three carriers, two can be operational at any point of time even if one of them has to go for repairs and refit.

Since 2008, there has been a permanent presence of the Chinese Navy in the Indian Ocean region in the form of an anti-piracy escort force, the source added.

The Djibouti facility was added by the Chinese two years ago with the stated aim of protecting their trade flowing through the region from piracy for which they sometimes bring nuclear submarines also, they said.

Since last year, the Navy has been deploying itself for carrying out its role of the net security provider in the Indian Ocean Region.

"Indian Navy ships were also Mission Deployed for Operation 'GULFDEP' in the Persian Gulf, Operation 'CENTDEP' in the central Indian Ocean Region, Operation 'NORDEP' in the northern Bay of Bengal and Operation 'MALDEP' in the Andaman Sea and approaches to the Malacca Strait," Navy officials said.

The Navy starts monitoring the Chinese Navy vessels as soon as they cross over from the Malacca Straits into the IOR during deployments in the Gulf of Aden and visit by them to other ports.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Chinmay » 16 Sep 2019 20:38

Livefist reporting that the SRSAM competition for the Kamortas is a three-way competition between MBDA's Sea Ceptor and Korean and Israeli products. Wonder what happened to the QRSAM?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Indranil » 16 Sep 2019 23:48

I think the VL Astra is for the navy, not the Army airforce. Basically a Sea Ceptor equivalent.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 17 Sep 2019 00:48

Any particular reason the QRSAM wouldn't fit the Navy bill? Curious to know what's the difference between QRSAM and VL-Astra.

Naval operations might mean interfacing with a new radar, very low altitude intercept for sea-skimmers, accommodating sea-clutter. But is there anything in the QRSAM design that makes it unsuitable for these?

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Postby John » 17 Sep 2019 02:30

Prem Kumar wrote:Any particular reason the QRSAM wouldn't fit the Navy bill? Curious to know what's the difference between QRSAM and VL-Astra.

Naval operations might mean interfacing with a new radar, very low altitude intercept for sea-skimmers, accommodating sea-clutter. But is there anything in the QRSAM design that makes it unsuitable for these?

I am not familiar enough with qrsam and I have seen lot of misinformation / contradicting information. My guess would be that it requires lock on before launch and fired from an inclined launcher where as for naval purpose you need missile capable of vertical launch and lock on after launch. I believe qrsam can intercept low flying missiles which is requirement for armed forces.
If it's Israeli product it could be improved barak-1 with an active seeker which Imo makes most sense as we can retrofit fit these on existing ships with Barak.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 20:41

Navy to induct submarine Khanderi, commission carrier dry dock on Sept. 28
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 439117.ece

“Three landmark events are planned on September 28 - the commissioning of the second Scorpene submarine, Khanderi; the launch of the first P-17A frigate, Nilgiri, and the commissioning of the largest dry dock of the Indian Navy,” Navy Vice Chief Vice Admiral Ashok Kumar said. With this the Navy's reach and combat sustenance would go up tremendously, he noted.

So the P-17A is going to be called the Nilgiri Class. The name is from the previous Leander Class frigates that served in the Indian Navy. There were six vessels in all ---> Nilgiri, Himgiri, Udaygiri, Dunagiri, Taragiri and Vindhyagiri. All from various mountain ranges in India. Interesting to see what the seventh vessel will be called.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 21:28

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1173933569682460672 ---> Excellent short video just released by the Indian Navy on the various features of the P-17A Class of stealth frigates. The video has be released on the occasion of the launch of the first P-17A Class ship, 'Nilgiri'.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 21:37

A truly beautiful ship!

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1173932937475239936 ---> Art of the Nilgiri Class (P17A) frigate type from today’s Indian Navy briefing. We’ll have a piece up shortly too.

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 21:37

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1173974558304612352 ---> INS Khanderi, the second Scorpène Class submarine, will be commissioned into the Indian Navy on Sept 28th. Here she is during sea trials:

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 21:41

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 7092911109 ---> Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar, VCNS held a Curtain Raiser for commissioning of the second Project 75 submarine 'Khanderi', launch of the first P17A ship 'Nilgiri' and inauguration of the Aircraft Carrier Dry Dock at Mumbai on 28 Sept 19. Honorable RM Rajnath Singh will be the Chief Guest for these events.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby VikramA » 17 Sep 2019 21:45

:eek: why does p17A nilgiri image only showing 1 helicopter hanger and and not two like in shivalik class

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Sep 2019 21:49

VikramA wrote::eek: why does p17A nilgiri image only showing 1 helicopter hanger and and not two like in shivalik class

Wiki Chacha says P-17A can house two HAL Dhruv or two Sea King Mk42Bs.

So one big helo door, but the helo cabin will house two helos. Better design.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby titash » 17 Sep 2019 23:07

Rakesh wrote:
VikramA wrote::eek: why does p17A nilgiri image only showing 1 helicopter hanger and and not two like in shivalik class

Wiki Chacha says P-17A can house two HAL Dhruv or two Sea King Mk42Bs.

So one big helo door, but the helo cabin will house two helos. Better design.


Sirjee - looks like 1 helo only.

With all the topweight additions due to MFSTAR, new secondary radar, longer hull penetrating barak-8 VLS, etc, and the big ass 127mm cannon, I think perhaps only 1 helo was able to be accomodated...

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 18 Sep 2019 00:34

Rakesh wrote:
VikramA wrote::eek: why does p17A nilgiri image only showing 1 helicopter hanger and and not two like in shivalik class

Wiki Chacha says P-17A can house two HAL Dhruv or two Sea King Mk42Bs.

So one big helo door, but the helo cabin will house two helos. Better design.

Has our P-15 or P-17 vessels ever embarked two sea kings? Maybe since it was lack of not enough room for two large helos which drove the decision to have just single hanger as we are switching to mh-60r.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 18 Sep 2019 03:44

Number of air defence SAMs still looks inadequate for saturation attacks.Poor secondary air defence systems, only 2 30mm mounts.Given the size is larger than the P-17s, it could have increased missile weaponry including a more advanced integral ASW missile system like the Klub variant, etc. It does appear that there is enough room for more VLS systems..However, it is a very neat design , excellent hull / superstructure shaping.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 18 Sep 2019 04:08

Rakesh wrote:So the P-17A is going to be called the Nilgiri Class.The name is from the previous Leander Class frigates that served in the Indian Navy. There were six vessels in all ---> Nilgiri, Himgiri, Udaygiri, Dunagiri, Taragiri and Vindhyagiri. All from various mountain ranges in India. Interesting to see what the seventh vessel will be called.


The seventh and last frigate will get a brand new name: INS Mahendragiri.

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Postby Rakesh » 18 Sep 2019 04:27

Wow! Nice name and very nice find Vips Saar! Thank You.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 18 Sep 2019 04:32

titash wrote:Sirjee - looks like 1 helo only.

With all the topweight additions due to MFSTAR, new secondary radar, longer hull penetrating barak-8 VLS, etc, and the big ass 127mm cannon, I think perhaps only 1 helo was able to be accomodated...

Sirjee, you are correct. My fault. Thank you for pointing that out.

John wrote:Has our P-15 or P-17 vessels ever embarked two sea kings? Maybe since it was lack of not enough room for two large helos which drove the decision to have just single hanger as we are switching to mh-60r.

I was told that the P15s carry one HAL Chetak (SAR duties) and one Sea King Mk42B (ASW duties). I have been inside the helo hangar of INS Delhi. I believe it can certainly house a pair of Sea Kings if need be. Waiting with bated breath for the MH-60R. Got clearance earlier this year from the US Govt. Picture below is of the helo deck and the twin helo doors of INS Shivalik.

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Interior of one of two helo hangars of INS Shivalik.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 18 Sep 2019 04:42

Sad state of affairs....

Rajnath Singh to fly in Tejas LCA, spend night on aircraft carrier[/quote]

Given the Navy must meet on-going payments for warships like INS Nilgiri, INS Khanderi and INS Kavaratti – the anti-submarine corvette that Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) is likely to hand over to the Navy this year — naval planners are making a strong pitch for restoring the Navy’s traditional share of the defence budget.

We will be seeking more money… Our endeavour is to ask for a higher share of the capital budget, which has also dropped in the last six-to-seven years. The Navy’s budget share was about 18 per cent in 2012-13. Today it stands at about 13.66 per cent. We will try to convince the powers-that-be to enhance this share within the overall services budget,” stated Kumar, the Navy’s vice chief.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby titash » 18 Sep 2019 04:47

John wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Wiki Chacha says P-17A can house two HAL Dhruv or two Sea King Mk42Bs.

So one big helo door, but the helo cabin will house two helos. Better design.

Has our P-15 or P-17 vessels ever embarked two sea kings? Maybe since it was lack of not enough room for two large helos which drove the decision to have just single hanger as we are switching to mh-60r.


I think the realization finally dawned that having 2 hangers was a waste of real estate.

The Godavari, Delhi, and Shivaliks have cumulatively spent several decades at sea with max 1 helicopter (lucky if SeaKing, mostly a Chetak). We simply do not have the budget to fund 2 helicopters for all principal surface units.

We will have 20 frigates/destroyers + 4 Kamortas in the coming decade and 24 SeaHawks to share across them. The 123 NMRH may be a decade or so away. Why waste hanger space. Better to utilize for stores, electronics, or VLS for other weapons. The DRDO is apparently coming out with a ASROC like weapon called SMART. We may see some VLS cells retrofitted for that.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Nikhil T » 18 Sep 2019 05:52

It's CGI, not a real picture as you probably know.

Anyhow, I'm waiting to see how complete the ships are when they launch, because the program looks heavily delayed (vs. original goal of churning out the vessel in 3-4 yrs).


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