Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 13 Dec 2019 21:46

GRSE hands over LCU amphibious ship to Indian Navy.

Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd., (GRSE), a leading warship building company and Miniratna Category 1 company under the administrative control of the Ministry of Defence delivered IN LCU L-57 (Yard 2098),seventh in the series of eight such vessels to the Indian Navy. The ship is the 103rd Warship built and delivered by GRSE so far since its inception in 1960.

The Protocol of delivery and acceptance was signed between Rear Admiral VK Saxena, IN (Retd.), Chairman & Managing Director, GRSE and Commanding Officer of the vessel, Lt. Commander V Harshvardhan, in the presence of Commodore DK Murali,CSO (Tech), HQANC, Chairman D-448, Shri S S Dogra, Director (Finance), Cmde. Sanjeev Nayyar, IN (Retd), Director (Shipbuilding) and Cmde.P R Hari, Director (Personnel) and other Senior Officials of GRSE and Indian Navy.

LCU Mk-IV ship is an Amphibious Ship with its Primary Role being Transportation and Deployment of Main Battle Tanks, Armored Vehicles, Troops and Equipment from Ship to Shore. These Ships based at the Andaman and Nicobar Command can be deployed for Multirole Activities like Beaching Operations, Search and Rescue, Disaster Relief Operations, Supply, and Replenishment and Evacuation from distant islands.

The entire design of the LCU Mark IV ships has been developed in-house by GRSE as per requirements specified by the Indian Navy. The LCU is 62.8 m in length and 11 m wide and has a displacement of 830 T with a low draught of 1.7 m. It can achieve a speed of 15 knots. The LCU is designed to accommodate 216 personnel and is equipped with Two Indigenous CRN 91 Guns to provide Artillery Fire support during landing operations. The ship is fitted with State-of-the-Art Equipment and Advanced Systems like the Integrated Bridge System (IBS) and the Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS). In line with the Govt. of India’s Make In India Initiative towards Self Reliance & Indigenisation efforts, the LCU Mark IV Class of Ships are fitted with close to 90% indigenous equipment fit.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Karthik S » 17 Dec 2019 16:30

Construction of last P 15B destroyer began july last year. It should be near launch. Anyone has any info?

http://www.psuconnect.in/news/productio ... -mdl/16430

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby jaysimha » 17 Dec 2019 18:31

Karthik S wrote:Construction of last P 15B destroyer began july last year. It should be near launch. Anyone has any info?


may have to wait for few more days.
MoD ( like all ministries ) will publish year end review - 2019 in pib website.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 17 Dec 2019 19:54

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/too-early-to-write-off-aircraft-carriers-former-indian-navy-chief/articleshow/72825783.cms?from=mdr

NEW DELHI: Shore-based air operations are still limited by range and that is why it is too early to write off aircraft carriers as they continue to bear huge influence at sea, former Indian Navy Chief Sunil Lanba said on Tuesday.

"A carrier battle group is a composite group of ships (including the aircraft carrier and submarines)...it brings huge capability to bear influence
"There is a segment all over the world, especially of the air forces, which talks of the vulnerability of the aircraft carrier and (say that) shore-based air forces and aircraft can do what can be done. But they are limited by range,"

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Karthik S » 17 Dec 2019 19:58

jaysimha wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Construction of last P 15B destroyer began july last year. It should be near launch. Anyone has any info?


may have to wait for few more days.
MoD ( like all ministries ) will publish year end review - 2019 in pib website.



Thanks.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby ramana » 17 Dec 2019 20:49

I thought about the IN purchase of US made 5" naval guns while they used to often buy Italian Oto Melara owned by Finmeccanica.

I think this is a fallout of the Augusta bribery scandal where Italy stalled the investigation in many ways.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 17 Dec 2019 23:13

ramana wrote:I thought about the IN purchase of US made 5" naval guns while they used to often buy Italian Oto Melara owned by Finmeccanica.

I think this is a fallout of the Augusta bribery scandal where Italy stalled the investigation in many ways.

It is not fallout to harm Italy for stalling , it is because of ban on Leonardo (parent company of Augusta and Oto) from bidding in military contacts, ban was renewed couple months ago.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 18 Dec 2019 11:15

We're cutting our nose to spite our face. These days so much of amalgamations have taken place and in Europe old stand- alone entities have fallen , been swallowed up by larger fish.
AW is a case in Q, where strictly speaking only AW helos should be banned for alleged bribery anď corruption.If you extend the list to all the cos. in the group, we will be severely damaging ourselves.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 18 Dec 2019 14:46

We have been making the OTO Melara 76 mm SRGM inhouse under license since 1995. It is one of the most successful naval gun designs since the 1960's.
As per Wiki, Iran reverse engineered the gun and started manufacturing its own copy in 2006.
The problem for us is that we do not learn anything from license production or ToT.

Over the last 25 years, we should have tried to reverse engineer the gun and make our own version with say 100mm rounds, in place of the 76 mm round.
=Perhaps the rate of fire, would have to be reduced, as the calibre is increased. However, they would have allowed us to develop the technology needed for developing naval guns of this type. As the need for a 5-inch gun was expressed since 2010, in place of the 3-inch OTO-mellara or the 4-inch Russian gun, we could have developed the same, if we had developed the technology and the building blocks required for this type of guns.

In our case, we just go and spend another $1 billion for 13 guns!!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 18 Dec 2019 14:48

By the way, we can still produce the OTO-76 mm SRGM. Its just that for the new destroyers, the navy wants 5-inch guns, in place of the 3-inch OTO guns. It has got nothing to do with the sanctions on Finmeccanica.
For smaller frigates, we will continue to equip them with the 76mm SRGM.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 18 Dec 2019 18:36

mody wrote:By the way, we can still produce the OTO-76 mm SRGM. Its just that for the new destroyers, the navy wants 5-inch guns, in place of the 3-inch OTO guns. It has got nothing to do with the sanctions on Finmeccanica.
For smaller frigates, we will continue to equip them with the 76mm SRGM.

Yes it is due to sanctions, existing License production is different from a new contract, Leonardo S.p.a or Finmeccanica cannot be part of any new contracts. Originally these vessels were to equipped with Oto 127 but the sanctions came in place before contract was finalized. I believe they were also supposed to supply RAN-40l for our vessels which I believe was also killed.
Unfortunately down the road this will affect our procurement of Oto SR once that deal expires if don’t remove them from blacklist.

Here is the link: https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 032525.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 19 Dec 2019 15:03

John wrote:
mody wrote:By the way, we can still produce the OTO-76 mm SRGM. Its just that for the new destroyers, the navy wants 5-inch guns, in place of the 3-inch OTO guns. It has got nothing to do with the sanctions on Finmeccanica.
For smaller frigates, we will continue to equip them with the 76mm SRGM.

Yes it is due to sanctions, existing License production is different from a new contract, Leonardo S.p.a or Finmeccanica cannot be part of any new contracts. Originally these vessels were to equipped with Oto 127 but the sanctions came in place before contract was finalized. I believe they were also supposed to supply RAN-40l for our vessels which I believe was also killed.
Unfortunately down the road this will affect our procurement of Oto SR once that deal expires if don’t remove them from blacklist.

Here is the link: https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 032525.cms


The sanctions affect the OTObreda-127/64 gun. We were supposed to procure the same and maybe start license production of the guns. However, as I said before, the license production of the 76 mm SRGM can and will continue as required.
However, the sanctions certainly don't work in our favour. The WASS blackshark torpedoes and the active towed array sonars were the first casualties. The towed sonars are now coming from Atlas Germany, but the original choice was the Italian one.

Maybe even the contract for the tankers. We got the last two built from Fincantieri and now for the follow on production had short listed the Turkish company to provide design and technology. The turkish contract is not going to happen anyime soon now and the Fincantieri design will also languish at 2 ships only. Another 4 tankers of the same design as Fincantieri, to be built at HSL, would have speeded up the matter and the production would have started by now.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby tsarkar » 19 Dec 2019 16:51

Full ToT received for OTO 76/62 by BHEL Haridwar and its production continues unhindered. The gun has recently been installed in Rajput, Saryu and Reliance OPVs.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 19 Dec 2019 20:07

The ban should've been limited only to the AW helo division.I feel that vested firang interests with powerful influence in the MOD ensured a total ban on Leonardo. Imagine if just one French co. is caught doing something similar.Will we ban all French defence cos. under one group? The Scorpene sub was earlier under DCNS now part of Naval Group.BAE similarly has a host of cos. We will be badly wounding ourselves if we adopt a blanket ban if just one co. of a group is found at fault.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chetak » 19 Dec 2019 20:23

Philip wrote:The ban should've been limited only to the AW helo division.I feel that vested firang interests with powerful influence in the MOD ensured a total ban on Leonardo. Imagine if just one French co. is caught doing something similar.Will we ban all French defence cos. under one group? The Scorpene sub was earlier under DCNS now part of Naval Group.BAE similarly has a host of cos. We will be badly wounding ourselves if we adopt a blanket ban if just one co. of a group is found at fault.


this hop, skip and jump tactic was used very effectively by the BIF to deny artillery guns for the IA for decades. Rafale was delayed and similar games were played with the IN weapon systems to deny all the forces any real teeth to counter the pakis and the cheenis.

It finally took a Modi to push the stalled deals through, ignoring all objections.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby abhik » 19 Dec 2019 23:01

tsarkar wrote:Full ToT received for OTO 76/62 by BHEL Haridwar and its production continues unhindered. The gun has recently been installed in Rajput, Saryu and Reliance OPVs.

What about the ammo?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 20 Dec 2019 05:39

Chetak,very true.The games are still being played out in the MOD over the amphibs for the IN, they now want the requirement for 4 35K t amphibs scrapped! For what? A white sea elephant large 3rd. carrier? Funds for the sea elephant have to come from somewhere! The lobby to sell us F-18SHs, EMALS ( not less than $1B for the system, while the new Ford CV which still has problems with it) AEW Hawkeyes and ASW helos to boot equipping the carrier's air arm is very active.If it goes through with the interoperability agreement we are being pressganged into signing, the carrier in all truth in the future may be remote controlled ftom the Pentagon not New Delhi! Step by step, nautical mile by naughty-cal mile, the IN is being transformed into a non- NATO vassal ally of the USN.Who knows , one day the flag it flies will not sport the tri- colour , but the stars and stripes! :D

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 20 Dec 2019 15:07

tsarkar wrote:Full ToT received for OTO 76/62 by BHEL Haridwar and its production continues unhindered. The gun has recently been installed in Rajput, Saryu and Reliance OPVs.


That's exactly my point. We have been manufacturing this gun for almost 25 years and have full ToT for it. However, now that want a higher calibre gun, again we have to go back to foreign vendor, for a new gun. It would have been the OTO-breda 127-64, if not for the blacklisting and now it will be the American gun. We will end up paying about 7,000 crores for 13 guns. Say 1.5% of that sanctioned for developing an indigenous version 10 years ago, might have yielded results by now.
The problem is that 10 years ago no one planned for this. The services didn't ask for it to be developed, as a standard part of its future large capital warship design and no one over the last 25 years, bothered about absorbing the under lying technology of the gun and developing something based on the same.
The story is same across the board. We are license manufacturing the AK-630 guns. But for a new anti-aircraft gun system, we will again go to SoKo or Russia.
The ToT programs are the biggest scams in Indian defence.
Years ago, I had spoken to a purchase officer from GSL. They used to have a small office in Mumbai, right opposite the MDL gate. (don't know, if they still have it). Was asking about future requirement for certain parts that we make for ships. He mentioned a few up coming projects that were in the pipeline. I asked him about the Super Dvora ships that were to be built at GSL. His reaction to that was "Oh, that's a ToT project. For ToT, we do not procure anything. The list is given by the original equipment manufacturer. We cannot even buy simple nut bolts on our own. Most things are simply imported".
I am sure we would have learnt nothing from the whole project and if we wanted to make a few follow on vessels, most parts, would still have to be imported from Israel or whichever other source, we had bought them from, all those years ago.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby tsarkar » 20 Dec 2019 21:54

abhik wrote:What about the ammo?

Made by OF

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby tsarkar » 20 Dec 2019 21:56

mody wrote:That's exactly my point.

Agree. The AK-630 would have beautifully fulfilled IAF and IA AD gun requirement

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 20 Dec 2019 23:27

For anti aircraft gun the armed forces did plan ahead and were supposed be using Skyshield with full license transfer and production by OFB.
We would likely developed multiple systems including wheeled and naval mount around it but Rheinmetall black listing killed that venture.

tsarkar wrote:
abhik wrote:What about the ammo?

Made by OF

I believe Vulcans and DART are not made by OFB.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby darshan » 21 Dec 2019 00:34

Intelligence Agencies Bust Espionage Racket, Arrest Seven Indian Navy Personnel Allegedly Spying For Pakistan
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/intellige ... r-pakistan

"They all hail from different parts of the country but are stationed in Visakhapatnam. The investigation is going on. We cannot share any more information at this juncture," said Gautam Sawang, director general of police (DGP), Andhra Pradesh, reports Bangalore Mirror.

Police suspect these officers had leaked information to terror groups in Pakistan. The espionage racketeers are said to have roped in government officials for spying.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Nikhil T » 21 Dec 2019 01:33

^The scale of the arrests is very concerning - I would have expected a lone wolf or two, but not seven personnel. Let's see if the agencies share more.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 21 Dec 2019 05:55

Reg. naval guns,we as many have said above, should've indigenised and upgraded the Oto gun or Ru in similar fashion as we've done with Bofors/ Dhanush and ATAGS. The pvt. sector engaged in desi arty. could've been roped in too.However, the AK-130 main gun should've been adopted for the DDGs under construction, as it is one of the most powerful naval guns afloat.The dual barrel mount gives a rate of fire of 80/min.Eah shell weighs over 70 pounds and in the anti-air mode has a range over 15 km. It uses seawater for cooling and the recoil energy to load rounds.In contrast the US Mk-127 Mk-45 Mod.2 gun is single-barreled with only 20 rounds in the mount. The rate of fire of the AK-130 makes it ideal to deal with drone swarms too.

The arrest of so many naval personnel is very disturbing as Vizag is the key naval establishment today with the SSBN programme and Akula SSGN also based there.Vizag is also going to be home port for the new Vikrant.It is extremely sad to see so many service personnel these days in the 3 services, regularly being picked up spying for Pak.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 21 Dec 2019 09:20


However, the AK-130 main gun should've been adopted for the DDGs under construction


It is Cold War relic too big for any of our vessels it was phased out by Russian navy in favor of A-192 which is not offered for export. Even Ak-130 was never offered for export FYI during 80s or 90s till the Chinese threw billions at Russia to purchase Sovremenny and reportedly found Ak-130 performance to be below par and never bothered moving reverse engineered (aka license tech transfer from Russia) Ak-130 to production and developed their own main gun.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Manish_P » 21 Dec 2019 10:35

Ak-130 performance to be below par


Can you elaborate on exactly what were the issues?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 21 Dec 2019 11:12

Manish_P wrote:
Ak-130 performance to be below par


Can you elaborate on exactly what were the issues?

Not much I can piece together other than complexity/inability when switching between different ammos, lower accuracy and outdated fire control system. Also I have had heard it was highly expensive to operate in Russian service.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Karthik S » 21 Dec 2019 21:58

Gurus one query, it's mentioned that P 15B have sonar in the bow, but looking at launch pic, the bow doesn't have the bulbous bow that arleigh burke or type 45 have.

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I see a small rounded shape on P 15B bow, is there the sonar will be placed?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 22 Dec 2019 08:36

Our DDGs have a more streamlined bow and sonar receptacle unlike the Burke's. The dome will protrude below the bulge in the pic, but follows the flow of the raked bow,probably adding a knot or two to the vessel's speed. Hull design by the navy's design bureau over the years has been v.good with assistance from a few foreign shipbuilders. The Rajput/ Kashin class hulls were optimised for speed and the P-15s borrowed some input from them.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 22 Dec 2019 10:22

Because of paint scheme it is harder to see sonar in side profile pics but in frontal pics you can see it.

https://youtu.be/p03Z0noV3EY

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chetak » 22 Dec 2019 11:38

Philip wrote:Our DDGs have a more streamlined bow and sonar receptacle unlike the Burke's. The dome will protrude below the bulge in the pic, but follows the flow of the raked bow,probably adding a knot or two to the vessel's speed. Hull design by the navy's design bureau over the years has been v.good with assistance from a few foreign shipbuilders. The Rajput/ Kashin class hulls were optimised for speed and the P-15s borrowed some input from them.


the Navy's design bureau has also managed to quieten considerably the self noise generated from hulls to improve sonar performance

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby sohamn » 22 Dec 2019 11:48

Bulbous bow has nothing got to do with sonar, it’s meant for reducing drag. You can house sonar with or without a bulbous bow.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby SNaik » 23 Dec 2019 22:08

John wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
Can you elaborate on exactly what were the issues?

Not much I can piece together other than complexity/inability when switching between different ammos, lower accuracy and outdated fire control system. Also I have had heard it was highly expensive to operate in Russian service.


Complexity - yes, haven't heard about inability, on the contrary, AK-130 (A-218) was considered to be way more reliable when firing long volleys than more modern A-190. The biggest disadvantage is the sheer size and weight of the gun, loading system and magazine, and it's massive recoil, limiting it to ships of 5000+ tons. Actually, the double barrel design was introduced only because the initial RuNavy requirement of 50 rounds/minute was out of reach with the initial A-217 single barrel gun. China, after acquiring AK-130s on their Pr.956 destroyers, backtracked the design to single barrel gun, which uses the barrel with same ballistics with muzzle brake but much less sophisticated loader and up-to-date targeting system.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby SNaik » 23 Dec 2019 22:18

Philip wrote:Our DDGs have a more streamlined bow and sonar receptacle unlike the Burke's. The dome will protrude below the bulge in the pic, but follows the flow of the raked bow,probably adding a knot or two to the vessel's speed. Hull design by the navy's design bureau over the years has been v.good with assistance from a few foreign shipbuilders. The Rajput/ Kashin class hulls were optimised for speed and the P-15s borrowed some input from them.


The bow sonar array on P-15s is also quite smaller than AN/SQS-53C on Burkes.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 23 Dec 2019 22:29

The Paki espionage ring busted has been exceptionally serious.The busting of it has not come to soon and the damage done could be enormous.Look at the facts.So many arrested.The traitorous spies reportedly based at Vizag- the main base of Indian nuclear submarines and the various N-sub programmes, Karwar and Bombay, the 3 most important naval bases.Next, where were some serving? Aboard the missile corvette Khanjar, the P-17 stealth frigate Shivalik and astonishingly , aboard the Kilo class sub Sindhukirti!

I am not famlliar with the security protocol that vets regularly our military, but in the age of social media and easy cohabitation offers available by sirens,often wh*ring for foreign entities, it is shameful that so many of our serving military
from time-to-time are reported to have been victims of Paki honey-traps. The most famous honeytrap of all was that of R&AW sr. officer.Unnikrishnan who served as
1st. Sec. at our Colombo mission.
He was entrapped by a supposed Pan Am stewardess, actually a CIA agent. The damage done reportedly to us was monumental, compromising our entire Lankan strategy. Fortunately, he was discovered before the damage was irreparable.

The FBI,CIA,etc. extensively use lie detectors and only highly trained agents of the major intel agencies can fool these tests. The armed forces should make it mandatory for those posted in sensitive postings to undergo such tests at regular intervals, questioning them whether they've been communicating with any foreigners, etc. A strict ban on using social media in any form must also be enforced.Such lapses in the armed forces are becoming too frequent.We remember the earlier Navy War Room scandal. We do not know if thete were more members of this ring still undetected.. The time for serious vetting is now.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 24 Dec 2019 07:05

SNaik wrote:
John wrote:Not much I can piece together other than complexity/inability when switching between different ammos, lower accuracy and outdated fire control system. Also I have had heard it was highly expensive to operate in Russian service.


Complexity - yes, haven't heard about inability, on the contrary, AK-130 (A-218) was considered to be way more reliable when firing long volleys than more modern A-190. The biggest disadvantage is the sheer size and weight of the gun, loading system and magazine, and it's massive recoil, limiting it to ships of 5000+ tons. Actually, the double barrel design was introduced only because the initial RuNavy requirement of 50 rounds/minute was out of reach with the initial A-217 single barrel gun. China, after acquiring AK-130s on their Pr.956 destroyers, backtracked the design to single barrel gun, which uses the barrel with same ballistics with muzzle brake but much less sophisticated loader and up-to-date targeting system.

Thanks it’s been a while (almost decade)since I have discussed Ak-130, speaking of that do you know what the issue with A-190 is? I remember navy was supposed to go with that after Talwar purchase in 00s but seem to have gone to mix of Oto SR and Mk 45. Was it issue of reliability or cost as well?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Cybaru » 24 Dec 2019 07:10

Will QRSAM replace Barak1? SRSAM was supposed to do that.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 24 Dec 2019 08:06

Cybaru wrote:Will QRSAM replace Barak1? SRSAM was supposed to do that.

From what I last read foreign system will be procured as stop gap till SR SAM is ready.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby SNaik » 24 Dec 2019 16:46

John wrote:
SNaik wrote:
Complexity - yes, haven't heard about inability, on the contrary, AK-130 (A-218) was considered to be way more reliable when firing long volleys than more modern A-190. The biggest disadvantage is the sheer size and weight of the gun, loading system and magazine, and it's massive recoil, limiting it to ships of 5000+ tons. Actually, the double barrel design was introduced only because the initial RuNavy requirement of 50 rounds/minute was out of reach with the initial A-217 single barrel gun. China, after acquiring AK-130s on their Pr.956 destroyers, backtracked the design to single barrel gun, which uses the barrel with same ballistics with muzzle brake but much less sophisticated loader and up-to-date targeting system.

Thanks it’s been a while (almost decade)since I have discussed Ak-130, speaking of that do you know what the issue with A-190 is? I remember navy was supposed to go with that after Talwar purchase in 00s but seem to have gone to mix of Oto SR and Mk 45. Was it issue of reliability or cost as well?


A-190 for a long time had a nasty habit to jam after about ten round volley. Apparently this has been rectified in the latest A-190M1, which comes with the stealthy mounting. The original producer - Arsenal JSC was blamed and the production was transferred to another factory Motovilihinsky Zavody in 2012 which managed to iron out the issues. I've seen A-190M on one of the second batch of Talwars doing a 30 round volley. Cost wise A-190 is on par with any Western gun of the same caliber.


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