Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Dec 2020 01:18

L&T completes order for 54 interceptor boats ahead of time, eyes naval orders ahead
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11/ ... eptor.html
30 Nov 2020

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Dec 2020 01:40

Proves a huge point,why more pvt. sector giants must be given defence contracts. Incidentally,the Iranians are using small craft like these equipped with SSMs for Gulf duties.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 02 Dec 2020 01:45

Cochin Shipyard from India holds steel cutting ceremony of Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Crafts.

The ASW-SWC (Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft) corvette is an anti-submarine warfare vessel ordered for the Indian Navy from Cochin Shipyard (CSL) and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE). Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), signed the contract for the construction and supply of eight Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Crafts (ASWSWCs) for the Indian Navy on April 30, 2019.

According to the Global Security website, the ASW-SWC is a 750-ton vessel able to reach a top speed of 25 knots and will have a crew of 57 people including 7 officers. She will have a length of 70 meters (230 ft), a beam of 10.2 meters (33 ft), and a draught of 2.7 meters (8.9 ft).

The ASW-SWC corvette will be armed with torpedoes and rockets to conduct search and attack unit (SAU) missions and coordinated anti-submarine warfare operations with naval aircraft. In addition, the vessels shall have the capability to interdict and destroy subsurface targets in coastal waters. These can also be deployed for search and rescue by day and night in coastal areas. In their secondary role, these will be capable to prosecute intruding aircraft and lay mines in the sea bed.

The ASW-SWC corvette will be equipped with highly advanced state-of-the-art integrated platform management systems including propulsion machinery, auxiliary machinery, power generation and distribution machinery and damage control machinery, etc. The design and construction of these ships at GRSE is another significant milestone in the ‘Make In India’ Initiative of the Government of India.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 03 Dec 2020 14:40

The IN has published the navy day film. Packed with some very very nice visuals....very well done! Watch it on a big screen ladies and gents in 1080p you wont regret it. Really gives a sense how matured a service the IN is how large its gotten over the years. Here's wishing the IN many new adventures. If you ask me the growth of IN has just started.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 03 Dec 2020 14:59

~~edited out useless comment~~

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Dec 2020 17:59

m_saini wrote:Nice video, although I wish they update their ensign from St. George's cross (who was a crusader no less) to something more fitting. Though I'm sure they have more pressing concerns than to play around with ensigns.

Guess they had changed it 20 years back and reverted to the same British one back for some reason( reason was better visibility, etc but I don't buy that). Anyways, that's how it is.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 03 Dec 2020 21:26

Folks, the IN has far more pressing concerns than the St George's Cross.

That cross is not even a blip on the radar of the host of issues that the IN currently faces.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 04 Dec 2020 13:14

https://indianexpress.com/article/opini ... 86308/lite
1971’s stealth warriors of the sea
On the 50th anniversary of India's victory over Pakistan, we must take note of the bravery displayed by Indian Navy’s submariners under direct enemy action.

Written by RAdm AY Sardesai

Kursura and Karanj were deployed in the North Arabian sea. Kursura was deployed well before outbreak of hostilities with orders to attack and sink all Pakistani Naval ships, merchant ships detected (when specifically ordered), patrol and surveillance. Kursura arrived at her station on November 18 and remained on patrol till November 30. She thereafter rendezvoused with Karanj on December 2 to pass on information and instructions and subsequently entered Mumbai. During her daring deployment, she had encountered a number of merchant ships, whilst in her station.

Karanj sailed on November 30 with similar orders as Kursura and reached her station on December 3. The same night, she received news that hostilities with Pakistan had broken out, but was ordered to maintain her station. On December 5, she was ordered to deploy to a new station. During her transit, she received news of the Indian Navy’s audacious missile attack on Karachi and sinking of two Pakistan Navy warships. From December 6-14, whilst deployed in her station, Karanj encountered intense enemy air and warship activity. On four distinct occasions during the patrol, she came close to launching torpedoes on suspected enemy merchant ships, but held back due to orders to positively identify before engaging any merchantmen. Karanj returned to Mumbai harbour on December 20. This audacious deployment has been recorded in the annals of history as the longest by any Indian Naval unit during the 1971 Indo-Pak War.

On the Eastern seaboard, Khanderi sailed from Visakhapatnam on November 28, 1971, to patrol in the Bay of Bengal. Her orders were to cut off the shipping lane from Ceylon to Chittagong, destroy Pakistan Navaland merchant ships and provide timely intelligence of Pakistan maritime forces. Like her sister submarines on the West Coast, Khanderi too had restrictive orders to positively identify merchantmen prior to engaging. She returned to Visakhapatnam harbour on December 14, after a successful patrol in the thick of war.

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 04 Dec 2020 13:21

Speech On Indian Navy Day 2020 By Chief of Naval Staff Admiral KaramBir SIngh, PVSM, AVSM, ADC

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 04 Dec 2020 19:23

MH60R

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Dec 2020 08:38

The cross is an ancient symbol predating Christianity.I have seen crosses,solar discs in temples, so-called pagan temples in Europe,one ancient small temple in Bangalore too. The white flag gives better visibility and in one quadrant the Indian flag is placed.When it was earlier changed,the blue and red colours were difficult to spot and identify,hence a return to tradition.
A non-issue.

On the 49th anniversary of the attack on Karachi, entering its 50th. year,now celebrated as Navy Day, we should do a retrospective of the IN today,the challenges for the future and strengths and weaknesses in holistic fashion.From the wider maritime perspective and IN footprint within and without the IOR,overseas base/ support facilities,to augmenting the fleet in all 3 dimensions plus space.

chola · Post by **chola** » 05 Dec 2020 14:00

This idea intrigues me!

https://mobile.twitter.com/JaglanBhaves ... 0454362113

Strategic Frontier
@strategic_front
The VC-11184 is mean to track enemy nuclear weapons, provide targeting ability for Indian BMD & gather ELINT. The ship has a X-band, S-band radars that uses tech from the MOTR & LRTR family of radars. The ship was handed over to the Navy in early 2020 for sea trials.

Bhavesh Jaglan
@JaglanBhavesh
Replying to
@strategic_front
@Aryan_warlord
Sir, what's stopping India from building LPD's based on this base ship. It looks very similar to the Makassar-class landing platform docks that are cheap and can be built in greater numbers in a significantly lesser amount of time.

The VC-11184:

Remove the radomes and enlarge it and it looks like a fine basis for an indigenous LPD.

kit · Post by **kit** » 05 Dec 2020 15:28

For LPD I don't think its a lack of designs

John · Post by **John** » 05 Dec 2020 22:44

Plenty of designs available it is lack of $$ that is holding it up, keep in mind it is not just procurement cost for LPD it is also up keep costs and procuring items like helicopters.

chola · Post by **chola** » 05 Dec 2020 23:54

^^^ Not quite. Obviously funding is an issue with 4 MRSVs being dragged along for a decade before being discarded for a new "proposal" of just two.

But the proposals we got before were all TFTA with local shipyards as "partners." There was NO indigenous design.

A homegrown design could be more economical than the French, Italians and Spaniards selling us their gold-plated Mistral, Juan Carlos, etc. which were all over 20K tons. A smaller LPD based on the VC-11184 could be more affordable especially when you don't need to paid a premium for phoren "expertise."

A cheaper option might have gotten the project off the ground.

John · Post by **John** » 06 Dec 2020 01:07

chola wrote:A homegrown design could be more economical than the French, Italians and Spaniards selling us their gold-plated Mistral, Juan Carlos, etc. which were all over 20K tons. A smaller LPD based on the VC-11184 could be more affordable especially when you don't need to paid a premium for phoren "expertise."

Mistral at most will cost no more bill each but would require a complement of atleast 15 helos which would cost equally as much if not more. Also with smaller design you are sacrificing a lot of capability and also you have risk of going with unproven LPD design and all the delays associated with it.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 06 Dec 2020 01:58

The LPD stuck with two things.

1. Single vendor situation for domestic vendors. Only L&T is in race.
2. Lack of fund. IIRC four were planned. Rethinking to order two/three.

Setback for private shipyards as Navy cancels Rs 20,000 cr Landing Platform Docks contract

However, a different set of sources say that more than the ‘time gap’, the real issue was the emergence of a single-vendor situation, with an internal capability assessment going against one of the two shipyards in contention.

-Ankit

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Dec 2020 09:12

L& T were on the verge of being awarded the contract a few years ago, for 4 amphibs,cancelled without explanation.It was obvious that a pvt. yard win would endanger DPSUs for major warship contracts.A possibility that the saved funds would be used for the 3rd. CV. Now even the 2 amphibs have been cancelled.Great going lads,the PRC/ PLAN must be rolling over with laughter at our buffoons of the MOD! The Jalashwa rust- bucket, will have to soldier on for yet another decade there being no alternative.

hemant_sai · Post by **hemant_sai** » 06 Dec 2020 11:42

****deleted****

chola · Post by **chola** » 06 Dec 2020 12:32

John wrote:
chola wrote:A homegrown design could be more economical than the French, Italians and Spaniards selling us their gold-plated Mistral, Juan Carlos, etc. which were all over 20K tons. A smaller LPD based on the VC-11184 could be more affordable especially when you don't need to paid a premium for phoren "expertise."
Mistral at most will cost no more bill each but would require a complement of atleast 15 helos which would cost equally as much if not more. Also with smaller design you are sacrificing a lot of capability and also you have risk of going with unproven LPD design and all the delays associated with it.

John ji, worries about sacrificing ability is rather meaningless if we cannot get the project off the ground because we cannot afford it, no?

A true LPD (say the Trenton/Jalashwa or San Antonio class) would require about 4 or 6 helos.

An LHD would have a dozen or more. The Mistral or Juan Carlos are LHDs which are just a step below fleet carriers in cost and complexity.

Both types are assault ships that focus on getting troops to a target and supporting them.

So if we cannot afford the gold-plated LHDs with their large helo wings then we should go for a more affordable LPD especially one that we can design and build on our own.

LPD -- Trenton/Jalashwa

LHD -- Mistral

srin · Post by **srin** » 06 Dec 2020 13:53

Tour of INS Mysore

srin · Post by **srin** » 06 Dec 2020 20:20

VR walkthrough of Vikky

At 4:37, what is it to the right of AK 630 ? Is it the FCR for the AK ?

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 06 Dec 2020 20:26

https://twitter.com/PRO_Vizag/status/13 ... 5609715712

John · Post by **John** » 06 Dec 2020 21:07

srin wrote:At 4:37, what is it to the right of AK 630 ? Is it the FCR for the AK ?

Looks to be an EO that’s not STGR which guides both the guns and Barak.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 07 Dec 2020 17:37

John wrote:
srin wrote:At 4:37, what is it to the right of AK 630 ? Is it the FCR for the AK ?
Looks to be an EO that’s not STGR which guides both the guns and Barak.

John thanks for confirming. I had the same question as srin. I tried to dig up and I think its a similar EO sight platform as what the p17 uses. I reckon its a BEL product probably elbit.

What is interesting is using the EO sight to guide the ak630. It probably means it has manual slewing to the EO would probably be better for engaging small water crafts etc. I still wonder if its for auto engagement against sea skimmers as well as Vikad. does carry stgr right?

Barath · Post by **Barath** » 09 Dec 2020 14:50

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1336344678455635968?

Indian Navy releases a short video on Submarine Day

And it appears Navy Day (Dec 4) in honor of Operation Trident seems to have slipped by with hardlya mention.

John · Post by **John** » 09 Dec 2020 16:13

andy B wrote:still wonder if its for auto engagement against sea skimmers as well as Vikad. does carry stgr right?

Yes there is one located on top of smaller mast.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Dec 2020 20:59

Click on link below to read the rest of the twitter thread....

https://twitter.com/PatilSushmit/status ... 10752?s=20 ---> BREAKING: India soon to start the construction of Project 12701 Alexandrite-E mine defense ships in India. The fact that India intends to carry out licensed construction of Russian minesweepers of Project 12701 "Alexandrite-E" was reported back in 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandri ... inesweeper

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Dec 2020 21:03

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 57376?s=20 ---> Happy Submarine Day

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Dec 2020 22:46

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/sta ... 76609?s=20 ---> A series of super 'RARE' snaps from inside a HDW 209 (Shishumar) Class submarine. One of the less talked about submarines & less photos of her compared to the Kilos. Bridge of the submarine from the 90s.

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/sta ... 09984?s=20 ---> Here's at bridge of HDW 209. Men operating sonar & other information on screens. HDW 209 are quite technologically advanced submarines compared to the Russian Kilos in their time.

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/sta ... 18658?s=20 ---> Here's a snap from the bridge of the steering control console. Note the neat interior & joystick. Quite very advanced for it's time. Very uncommon on Russian designs. HDW 209 has underwater speed of 41 km and can dive 500+ metres with a range of 15K km.

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/sta ... 19777?s=20 ---> Something which never changes in all submarine since U-Boats is the battery compartment which are placed at lowest point in the hull. It is a very cramped space & the person inspecting it, has to lay down on a trolley.

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/sta ... 49248?s=20 ---> Last but not least, here is the torpedo compartment. Here you can see a SUT torpedo being loaded in the tube. HDW-209 carries 14 × SUT torpedoes, 24 × external strap-on mines & UGM-84L Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Dec 2020 22:56

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 98471?s=20 ---> Gearbox being installed in the first P-17A stealth guided missile frigate being built by GRSE, Kolkata. Total of 3 will be built by GRSE and 4 more by MDL, Mumbai.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 94692?s=20 ---> P-17A is definitely India's fastest ever warship construction project. In the future, all major Indian Navy warships will also be constructed under this modular approach for similar or faster build times.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Dec 2020 22:57

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 28096?s=20 ---> Like the Nilgiri Class frigates, the four large survey ships being built for the IN are also being made using modular construction method. L&T's Kattupalli shipyard will make hull blocks the ships and ship them to GRSE for assembly. Almost all future IN ships will be made similarly.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 10 Dec 2020 15:43

https://theprint.in/defence/with-china- ... nd/563496/
With China factor in play, Modi govt now open to Navy’s third aircraft carrier demand
Although the current focus is on submarines, there is a change in the government’s position regarding a third aircraft carrier for the Navy.
Snehesh Alex Philip, 9 December, 2020
New Delhi: With China flexing its muscles, the Narendra Modi government is now looking favourably at the Navy’s need for a third aircraft carrier as the “situation of peace” has changed, ThePrint has learnt.
Top government sources told ThePrint that while the current focus is on submarines, for which the government will soon set the ball rolling for six more conventional submarines under Project 75I, there is a change in the government’s position regarding a third aircraft carrier.
“The times have changed. Earlier it was time of peace and now it is not,” a top government source said, in what appeared to be a reference to the current tensions between India and China in Eastern Ladakh.
The Indian Navy operates the Russian-built INS Vikramaditya and a second indigenously-built carrier is in the final stages of construction.
But even though the Navy has been firm on its plan to have a second indigenous aircraft carrier, the government wasn’t so convinced until now.
Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Bipin Rawat in February had said that the approval for a third carrier would take time as, according to him, the Navy needed submarines and not aircraft carriers as “anything on surface can be picked up by satellites and knocked off by missiles”.
Explaining the new thinking, government sources said there is no doubt that future operations and requirements have to be kept while planning.
“The role of India in the global scene is increasing,” a government source said. “For us to have a larger presence in the Indian Ocean Region and beyond where trade and commerce is increasing, a third aircraft carrier is important.”
.....
Gautam

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 12 Dec 2020 17:09

Future ships of the Indian Navy- Naval Technology
https://www.naval-technology.com/featur ... dian-navy/

*Facepalm*

The Indian Ministry of Defence will acquire five new fleet support vessels for the Indian Navy. A $2.3bn contract was signed between Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) and the TAIS consortium between five Turkish shipbuilders for the collaboration to design and build the vessels.

chola · Post by **chola** » 12 Dec 2020 18:21

MeshaVishwas wrote:Future ships of the Indian Navy- Naval Technology
https://www.naval-technology.com/featur ... dian-navy/

*Facepalm*

Facepalm is correct. We cannot design and build replenishment vessels? And we are paying a potentially hostile nation that is aggressively pushing peacefool politics to build them for us? Insane.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 12 Dec 2020 20:57

Exactly. We build much more complex aircraft carrier but cannot build a simple FSV? Entrust the task to L&T and i am sure they will build it cheaper and also deliver it on schedule.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 12 Dec 2020 23:18

Someone's toes need to be held to the fire for a decision like this. Unbelievable.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Dec 2020 01:44

Would someone kindly post that on PMOIndia feed asking why they are making such a decision ?

hemant_sai · Post by **hemant_sai** » 13 Dec 2020 12:17

Cmde Hemant Khatri (Retd) - Prior to taking over as Chairman and Managing Director of HSL, he was also Project Director of fleet solid support (FSS) programme and concluded an important contract for collaboration with a foreign yard earlier this year.

Hemant Khatri takes over as CMD of Hindustan Shipyard
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/co ... 493217.ece
01 Sept 2020

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Dec 2020 19:56

I can't understand why our enemy's bumchum Turkey is getting the contract.All details of the vessels will be given to the Pakis.
Earlier,such auxiliaries were of Italian origin and the Leonardo Group which owns Finncantieri could've been given the job especially as the V-2 new Vikrant CV has Italian design input too,if we needed a foreign design. Turkey is actually ramping up its military relations with Pak as the Pakis are in the doghouse with the Saudis and UAE after Erdo's megalomainiacal ambitions of bdcoming a latter-day Ottoman Sultan and supreme Caliph of the Muslim world!