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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 27 Mar 2019 17:46

Singha wrote:even armed hawks are planned to participate...

Air to ground rockets and iron bombs?
Like a simulation of Aerial bombardment on a beach assault party?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 27 Mar 2019 18:01

Mollick.R wrote:Tata Power SED bags Rs 1,200 cr contract from defense ministry
By PTI | Mar 22, 2019, 02.35 PM IST

NEW DELHI: Tata Power Strategic Engineering Division (SED) has bagged a Rs 1,200 crore contract from the defence ministry for supply of ship-borne 3D Air Surveillance Radars.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/tata-power-sed-bags-rs-1200-cr-contract-from-defence-ministry/printarticle/68521044.cms

I believe they have a partnership with Thales to promote SMART-L radar. Is it confirmed that these will be based on it?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby brar_w » 27 Mar 2019 20:15

John wrote:
Mollick.R wrote:Tata Power SED bags Rs 1,200 cr contract from defense ministry
By PTI | Mar 22, 2019, 02.35 PM IST

NEW DELHI: Tata Power Strategic Engineering Division (SED) has bagged a Rs 1,200 crore contract from the defence ministry for supply of ship-borne 3D Air Surveillance Radars.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/tata-power-sed-bags-rs-1200-cr-contract-from-defence-ministry/printarticle/68521044.cms

I believe they have a partnership with Thales to promote SMART-L radar. Is it confirmed that these will be based on it?


The articles mentioned a partnership with Indra (Spain) so this is probably one of their legacy L band phased array products.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 28 Mar 2019 06:16

^^^ Related to above I believe....

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 6775405569 ---> Tata Power SED signed a deal to supply 23 ship-borne 3D Air Surveillance Radars to the Indian Navy oof an estimated value is about INR 1200 crore. The contract will be executed by Tata Power SED as the prime contractor with foreign OEM partner Indra Sistemas, Spain.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2019 06:37

Looking at the range and number of radars this looks like a replacement for RAWL 08 2D radar

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 28 Mar 2019 08:23

Oh yes the Lanza we discussed that for P-17a little while back completely forgot about that memory is getting worse :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 28 Mar 2019 11:49

Some things to keep a watch on for Rakshaks.The new DA to the Cheen embassy is purported to be cyber warfare specialist and this(appointment) could signal the emphasis placed by the Party on Cyber espionage in Bharat Varsha.

China Establishing Businesses Near Indian Navy Bases to Keep an Eye on Them, Says Intelligence Report
https://www.india.com/news/world/china- ... 13051/amp/

-Manish Shukla

China is engaged in espionage of the sensitive bases of the military establishment, said an intelligence report.

According to the report, China is trying to spy on Indian Naval bases specifically INS Kadamba in Karnataka and APJ Kalam Island on Odisha coast, also known as Wheeler Island. For this purpose, a Chinese business delegation had visited the Betul Island near INS Kadamba to set up business activities nearby so they could also monitor the activities of the Indian Navy.

Wheeler Island is India's Integrated Missile Test Range Facility of the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) while Abdul Kalam Island is the missile test facility for most missiles of India: Akash Missiles, Agni Missiles, Astra Missile, BrahMos, Nirbhay, Prahaar Missile, Prithvi Missiles, Shaurya Missile, Advanced Air Defence (AAD), and Prithvi Air Defence.

In such a situation, the presence of Chinese people at Wheeler Island can be dangerous for the security of the country. Similarly, INS Kadamba is the key base of the Indian Navy and India's two aircraft carriers are always present in Karwar. This base is so important that India monitors China and Pakistan in the Arabian Sea through it.

"China is establishing a foothold in strategic areas. Chinese firms have emerged as lowest bidders in many infrastructural projects in India, with the active support of the Chinese Government. Such Chinese Footprints were increasingly being noticed in many states," said an officer working in security establishment.

In 2017, China Ambassdor Luo Zhaohui visited the World war 11 Cemetery at village Longtong in district Tinsukia, Assam. His visit wasn't taken for a common tour by the security establishment as Tinsukia is not very far away from China border and strategic assets of the armed forces are deployed there.

"China is making efforts through its businessmen to gain access to decision-making levels in Indian establishments," said an officer deployed in the security establishment.

Notably, China is using the same methods of intelligence-gathering as those of their counterparts in the US and Russia under the cover of legitimate activities. Its intelligence-gathering is through academics and scholars, business people and intelligence operatives under the official cover of diplomats, defence attaches and journalists.

China has established one such centre in Mumbai and was making efforts of doing so in Vellore, Sulur, Coimbatore and Kolkata for intelligence activities.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 31 Mar 2019 03:17

Navy inducts LCU, GRSE becomes 'first' Indian shipyard to deliver 100 warships.

Garden Reach Ship Builders and Engineers Ltd (GRSE) on Saturday became the "first Indian shipyard" to build and deliver 100 warships, the state-owned company said.

GRSE Chairman and Managing Director, Rear Admiral (Retd) V K Saxena, formally handed over the 100th warship -- 'IN LCU L-56' -- to the Indian Navy, it said. The 100th warship, a Landing Craft Utility (LCU), is the sixth of an order of eight such vessels from the Navy, the company said in a release.

On March 27, GRSE had handed over its 99th warship, 'ICGS Priyadarshini' -- an advanced 'Fast Patrol Vessel' -- to the Indian Coast Guard.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 02 Apr 2019 18:17

First secure link between India, US navies set up.

India and the US have set up the first ever secure communication link between the naval headquarters here and the US Central as well as Pacific Naval Commands under the landmark Indo-US COMCASA pact reached last year.

ET has reliably gathered that the US has also activated the Selective Availability AntiSpoofing Module GPS system in some of C-130 and C-17 transport aircraft as a result of the implementation of the COMCASA (Communications, Compatibility & Security Agreement).

In a major boost to India’s defence diplomacy, the two upgrades will allow both sides to share real-time operational intelligence. In the case of the C-130s and C-17s, the systems were purchased but not activated because the US said it could not part with the encryption codes until the enabling COMCASA pact is signed. The establishment of a secure active link between the two navies is being seen as a significant step forward as India will gain access to latest US naval intelligence besides conducting joint operations in the future.

The link was set up, sources said, by a US team which visited India recently. The Comcasa pact will in due course enable both sides to operate on the same communication systems, thus helping build an “interoperable” environment for militaries. Without this pact, the US could not part with highly coded communication gear with the military platforms they sell to India. As a result, India had to depend on less secure systems on, otherwise, high-end platforms like C-130Js and the P8I maritime surveillance aircraft, among others.

While negotiating the pact, India also obtained a reliability assurance from the US that it will ensure availability of secured communication equipment covered by the pact at all time as well as keep them operational.

India was also assured that the US will not share data from Indian platforms with another country, nor access this data without prior permission. Also, sources said, the choice to upgrade would rest with India and not wholly determined by the US.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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All posts relating to the MH-60R purchase has been moved to the Indian Naval Aviation thread ----> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7308&p=2339648#p2339648

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 04 Apr 2019 03:47

Good news

Indian Navy gets combat management system for INS Vikrant
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 635755.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 04 Apr 2019 14:30

Salute to the NauSena for the selfless service.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arun » 04 Apr 2019 18:07

Here we go around the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush …………………

Our Navy on 29 March, 2019 issued an RFI for ToT for Construction of Twelve GRP Hulled Mine Counter Measure Vessels (MCMVs).

Time line is a dawdling 65 Months from RFP date, date of which is unspecified but at least 6 weeks away, for delivery of first vessel and 141 months from RFP date for the delivery of the twelfth and last vessel:

RFI for ToT for Construction of Twelve Mine Counter Measure Vessels (MCMVs)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 05 Apr 2019 01:27

arun wrote:Here we go around the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush …………………

So True! :lol:

When will our MoD ever learn!!!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 05 Apr 2019 16:12

What is the status of the Shyena light and Varunastra torpedoes? Shyena was formally inducted in 2012 and reportedly we also sold or have agreed to sell to Myanmar. How many have we actually produced/inducted and which platforms carry these torpedoes? Can our P8I's and the upcoming MH60R use these torpedoes or are we tied to using Khan weapons with Khan platforms? How does the Shyena compare with the MK54?

For the Varunastra, it was declared that they are ready for ship borne deployment. Are the P15A destroyers or any other ships armed with the Varunastra or are we still using the old Russian type 53-65 torpedoes for all our surface combatants as well? Wiki says 73 have been ordered to be fitted on various surface ships. The number seems fairly small. A submarine launched version is under development. Are we developing two versions for using with Russian standard tubes and one for western standard tubes?

Having indigenous high end weapons is very important, from the point of view of price as well as availability of the weapons system. Latest high end weapons cost a bomb and we can only afford to have a few of these gold plated systems in the inventory.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Apr 2019 18:07

Some URL reading Varunastra

Anti-submarine torpedo Varunastra inducted in navy


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/anti-submarine-torpedo-varunastra-inducted-in-navy/articleshow/52974464.cms

https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/indias-submarine-fleet-still-lacks-modern-heavyweight-torpedoes/

https://www.ssbcrack.com/2016/07/15-points-to-know-about-varunastra-navys-new-torpedo.html

The torpedo can be launched from Kolkata, Delhi, Teg, Talwar and Kamorta classes of ships.
This made India one of the eight countries to have the capability to design and build such a system. 73 such torpedoes have been ordered by the Indian Navy.
This landmark has put navy in the elite club of navies across the globe that can boast of self-reliance in under water sensors and under water weapons.


http://www.bdl-india.in/?q=content/varunastra-or-heavy-weight-torpedo


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 07 Apr 2019 13:12

India's INS 'Kolkata', 'Shakti' to Take Part in Chinese Navy's 70th Anniversary Celebrations
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/indian-naval-ships-ins-kolkata-shakti-to-take-part-in-chinese-navys-70th-anniversary-celebrations-2092225.html
The PLA Navy which is fast expanding its fleet including the aircraft carriers as China intensified efforts to increase global presence and influence plans to have grand celebrations to commemorate the event.

Can't wait for the pictures.The Kolkata class vessels just look cool. 8)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby negi » 07 Apr 2019 15:49

Aditya_V wrote:Some URL reading Varunastra

Anti-submarine torpedo Varunastra inducted in navy

Significant development , shame on us if we still import a 530mm torpedo in this class , systematic but gradual stoppage of imports is needed to maintain both self reliance as well as preserve our economy.

I think version of Varunastra for use on Kalavari class should be the next step and completed on war footing .

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 07 Apr 2019 16:05

MeshaVishwas wrote:India's INS 'Kolkata', 'Shakti' to Take Part in Chinese Navy's 70th Anniversary Celebrations
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/indian-naval-ships-ins-kolkata-shakti-to-take-part-in-chinese-navys-70th-anniversary-celebrations-2092225.html
The PLA Navy which is fast expanding its fleet including the aircraft carriers as China intensified efforts to increase global presence and influence plans to have grand celebrations to commemorate the event.

Can't wait for the pictures.The Kolkata class vessels just look cool. 8)


Looking forward to pictures as well. Especially for any where Kolkata is framed with a Type 052D, Japanese Kongo or SoKorean Sejong. These are the leading destroyer classes of Asia in operation.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 07 Apr 2019 16:29

chola wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:India's INS 'Kolkata', 'Shakti' to Take Part in Chinese Navy's 70th Anniversary Celebrations
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/indian-naval-ships-ins-kolkata-shakti-to-take-part-in-chinese-navys-70th-anniversary-celebrations-2092225.html

Can't wait for the pictures.The Kolkata class vessels just look cool. 8)


Looking forward to pictures as well. Especially for any where Kolkata is framed with a Type 052D, Japanese Kongo or SoKorean Sejong. These are the leading destroyer classes of Asia in operation.

But, none can hit a Jehadi camp behind the mountain slope at 2.8M.
:mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Nikhil T » 08 Apr 2019 14:21

Shiv Aroor on Twitter. Very Unfortunate.

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/11 ... 0071816193 ---> BREAKING: Vice Admiral Bimal Verma (currently C-in-C, Andaman & Nicobar Command) moves court against being overlooked by the govt for the position of Indian Navy Chief — the govt sidestepped him to appoint his junior Vice Admiral Karambir Singh as the next Chief of Naval Staff.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 08 Apr 2019 14:31

Aditya_V wrote:
The torpedo can be launched from Kolkata, Delhi, Teg, Talwar and Kamorta classes of ships.
This made India one of the eight countries to have the capability to design and build such a system. 73 such torpedoes have been ordered by the Indian Navy.
This landmark has put navy in the elite club of navies across the globe that can boast of self-reliance in under water sensors and under water weapons.


http://www.bdl-india.in/?q=content/varunastra-or-heavy-weight-torpedo



This would mean 12 ships of IN to use the torpedo, not counting the 4 P15Bs currently under construction. Only 73 torpedos for 12 ships already in service seems too low. Seems like just a first order for use with P15A and Kamorta class. The rest would still operate with the russian Type53 torpedos. We will probably replace them progressibely as the shelf life of the Type53's expires.

What about the Light torpedo? It was formally inducted in the IN in 2012, but there has been no news of any orders or production or of any platforms carrying the torpedos. L&T had developed a triple ship based launcher for these torpedos and initial reports had claimed the Kamorta class was to carry these light torpedos instead of the heavy ones. Thankfully it seems that has changed. Not sure if any other ships carry the triple launcher and TAL torpedos. More importantly light torpedos are mainly used by Helicopters and MPA's. Don't know if the Seakings or Il-38s carry these or whether any trials have been conducted with N-ALH? The P8I carry US Mk54 and so will the MH60R. If the perforance of TAL is close then in future we can use the same with these platforms as well.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 08 Apr 2019 23:03

The Kolkata will probably classify the entire chinese fleet assembled !.. and the chinese will have a good dekko at it as well.. acoustic signatures electronic transmissions etc..should be fun ( i guess ! ).. hope no chinese admiral wants to have a look at its combat room !

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 08 Apr 2019 23:06

arun wrote:Here we go around the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush …………………

Our Navy on 29 March, 2019 issued an RFI for ToT for Construction of Twelve GRP Hulled Mine Counter Measure Vessels (MCMVs).

Time line is a dawdling 65 Months from RFP date, date of which is unspecified but at least 6 weeks away, for delivery of first vessel and 141 months from RFP date for the delivery of the twelfth and last vessel:

RFI for ToT for Construction of Twelve Mine Counter Measure Vessels (MCMVs)


It will be different this time ( or so said The rabbit to Alice :mrgreen: )

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 09 Apr 2019 12:22

https://twitter.com/IndianEmbTokyo/status/1115501079477739520?s=19

JMSDF’s escort vessel “Asagiri” conducted the Joint Maritime Exercise with INS Kadmatt in the Andaman Sea on 31st March.Conducted communication & tactical cooperation exercise attempting to improve the tactical skill of JMSDF & to deepen the mutual understanding with Indian Navy


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 09 Apr 2019 12:32

^^^ Surprisingly, to me anyways, the Japanese vessel looks a wee bit old and worn compared to the Kadmatt. Design looks definitely Cold War.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 09 Apr 2019 12:43

Agreed.
But the Asagiri blends well with the colour of the water and Kadmatt looks a little bit too light.
Maybe it's the image or the waters in that area suit the Asagiri more?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 09 Apr 2019 12:58

^^^ Lighting condition and the angle. In the distance from sea level, the Kadmatt will blend in more me thinks. The horizon is always lighter.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 09 Apr 2019 13:07

Asagiri was commissioned in 1988, definitely cold war era, 77 years ago the Japanese came as Invaders to the Andaman Islands, now they come as friends against a common foe. Hmm times have changed.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 09 Apr 2019 13:09

Aditya_V wrote:Asagiri was commissioned in 1988, definitely cold war era, 77 years ago the Japanese came as Invaders to the Andaman Islands, now they come as friends against a common foe. Hmm times have changed.



They were friends against a common foe even back then, Aditya ji.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 09 Apr 2019 13:21

No way at the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy were very much an Invading nation

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Lisa » 09 Apr 2019 15:18

BAE Systems proposes its aircraft carrier design to Indian Navy
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... -navy.html

BAE Systems proposes its aircraft carrier design to Indian Navy

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2019 04:04

For the MH-60R purchase...

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nam » 12 Apr 2019 15:25

Finally from the horse's mouth, the correct design with proper radar for P17A

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 12 Apr 2019 15:31

Has the Exhaust moved further towards the back?
The Kolkata class, as I have observed, had one face of the MF STAR completely covered in soot.
Can't find the exact image now, but a close one from Durban

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Some other images where the smoke seems to be a little to close for comfort?

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Alongside the IEP equipped Dragon

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nam » 12 Apr 2019 15:41

Different propulsion system between DDG & a Frigate.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 12 Apr 2019 16:08

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1116641591467417600?s=19
Admiral Sunil Lanba, Chief of the Naval Staff, has inaugurated the maiden 'state-of-the-art' Virtual Reality Centre (VRC) at the Directorate of Naval Design (Surface Ship Group). This centre would provide major boost to the indigenous warship design capabilities of Indian Navy


Looks like this, I suppose
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/livefist/status/929287862138281984 ---> And here’s the Indian Navy Chief scoping out the Barracuda SSN build/maintenance architecture at Naval Group’s VR (Virtual Reality) centre at Cherbourg.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 12 Apr 2019 17:24

nam wrote:Finally from the horse's mouth, the correct design with proper radar for P17A

Has it been confirmed both SYs are building the same design?

MeshaVishwas wrote:Has the Exhaust moved further towards the back?
The Kolkata class, as I have observed, had one face of the MF STAR completely covered in soot.


P-17a is based on P-17 which also has secondary radar placed near the hanger.


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