Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 07 Jul 2019 13:22

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/india-seeks-to-buy-2-2-billion-warships-to-meet-china-challenge/articleshow/70034247.cms

India seeks to buy $2.2 billion warships to meet China challenge

The Modi govt on Monday asked seven shipyards to submit proposals for the construction of six missile warships and other smaller vessels worth 150 billion rupees, the Ministry of Defence said.

By Bloomberg | Jul 02, 2019, 08.25 AM IST

By N. C. Bipindra
India sought bids for purchase of warships and support vessels for its navy and coast guard as it ramps up security of its maritime border in the Indian Ocean region.

The Narendra Modi government on Monday asked seven shipyards to submit proposals for the construction of six missile warships and other smaller vessels worth 150 billion rupees ($2.2 billion), the Ministry of Defence said in a statement. The tender includes eight fast patrol vessels, 12 hovercrafts and eight missile-cum-ammunition barges.

The shipbuilders invited include private shipyards Larsen & Toubro Ltd. and Reliance Naval & Engineering Ltd., apart from the state-run Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd., Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd., Goa Shipyard Ltd., Hindustan Shipyard Ltd. and Cochin Shipyard Ltd., people with knowledge of the matter said. They asked not to be identified citing rules.


Anyone with an idea as to what a "missile-cum-ammunition barge" is? Sounds interesting.

No mention of phoren firms so all indigenous effort? On the FACs, more Vikrams for CG? Or something new? Maybe for regular navy?

Hovercraft I assume would be the Griffon produced at GRSE?

(Dumb DDM headline. Cheen's handful of ships in the IOR steer a wide berth from our territorial waters. They mount no challenge where these proposed vessels can operate.)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Singha » 07 Jul 2019 15:55

barges are used to take munitions from weapon storage sites to/from designated jetties or even moored ships in the water

here is how RN does it. https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/arming ... oyal-navy/

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we continue to persist with storing and servicing weapons in places like naval docks mumbai which are dangerously close to thickly populated areas.

these also look similar in karwar https://www.google.com/maps/@14.7712044 ... a=!3m1!1e3

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 07 Jul 2019 18:42

^^^ Thanks Singha ji. I guess I was hoping for a kind of arsenal ship when I saw "missile" as a prefix. You are right it is most likely just a transport barge for ammo including missile refills.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby sum » 08 Jul 2019 07:51

Anyone read this:
Operation X: The Untold Story of India's Covert Naval War in East Pakistan

Sheikh Mujibur Rehman in East Pakistan has just won an electoral mandate to become the prime minister of Pakistan. Accustomed to treating the eastern wing of the country as a colony, the ruling disposition in West Pakistan is not pleased, and launches a genocide against the residents of East Pakistan, flooding India with lakhs of refugees. With the violence in East Pakistan reaching a crescendo, the Indian government is faced with a difficult option: remain a mute spectator to the savagery on its eastern borders, or take action and go to war against its western neighbour. Thus was born Naval Commando Operation (X) - comprising Indian navy officers and divers, eight deserters from a Pakistani submarine and a ragtag bunch of Bengali youth fleeing the genocide - one of India's largest clandestine operations, meant to destabilize the West Pakistani efforts to bring East Pakistan to its knees. Revealed for the very first time, here is the explosive authentic account of the guerrilla operation that went for the maritime jugular of Pakistan, and facilitated the birth of Bangladesh.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 08 Jul 2019 12:04

A close relative of mine was DNO in '71 who got an AVSM both in '65 and '71 for his exploits.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby wig » 09 Jul 2019 09:59

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 99002.html

Indigenously made aircraft carrier progressing well; delivery by 2021
Vice Admiral AK Saxena, Controller, warship production and acquisition of the Navy, listed the timeline of the upcoming sea-borne carrier.
Vice Admiral Saxena, while addressing a press conference here on Monday, said, “The construction is moving at a brisk pace. The gas turbines could be fired in the third quarter of this year. Basin trials will follow and the testing of the aviation complex.”

The carrier is being made by Cochin Shipyard Limited.

regarding the 75I submarines
He said the navy could see more than 50 per cent indigenous content in case of next-generation submarines. The Ministry of Defence had floated an expression of interest to several Indian companies on June 20 to make six submarines under the programme called project 75-I.

Vice Admiral Saxena said once the 75-I is done India would have the capability to make her own submarines.


on the second indigenus aircraft carrier
On being asked about the second indigenous aircraft carrier called IAC-2, he said it had been decided that we need to have the next carrier to project sea power. The issue of having more air power based on land vis-a-vis having fighter jets on the deck of a carrier floating out at sea had been decided.

India operates INS Vikramaditya; the upcoming INS Vikrant will be the second carrier while the IAC-2 will be the third.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 09 Jul 2019 11:20

Multibillion dollar question is when will work start on IAC-2, ideally should have started 6-7 years back with delivery around 2025.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Cain Marko » 11 Jul 2019 01:27

Aditya_V wrote:Multibillion dollar question is when will work start on IAC-2, ideally should have started 6-7 years back with delivery around 2025.

I have a feeling that this will be contingent or related to relations with the US. Possibly tied to the Navys tender for 57 advanced fighters, which could be the shornet considering the commonality of engines with the nlca. There were some noises about getting NATO Ally type status with all blocks to advanced weapons sales being removed etc...

If Boeing can demo stobar and possibility of utilizing narrow lifts of the Indian carriers, this would be added impetus....

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Shekhar Singh » 12 Jul 2019 21:04

DRDO's New Tech For Diesel Submarines, can stay 35 days undetected


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 14 Jul 2019 20:54

Like BMos sublaunched, we must have these systems tested aboard a sub, dedicated spl. subs as exist in Russia and the US. The accident aboard an Ru spy sub which can dive to 20K ft. and is part of a secret fleet of specialised subs, indicates how far we must go in UW scientific research .The defence budget must be enhanced so that we can build our own research vessels where we can test out various weapon systems and sensors.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby jaysimha » 15 Jul 2019 12:56

FICCI-Indian Navy International Seminar on 'Nation Building through Shipbuilding
Jul 25 - 26, 2019,FICCI, New Delhi
http://ficci.in/events-page.asp?evid=24269

Honorable Raksha Mantri – Shri Rajnath Singh Ji is being invited to deliver the Inaugural Address. Admiral Karambir Singh, PVSM, AVSM, ADC, Chief of the Naval Staff, Indian Navy is being invited as Guest of Honour and Dr. Ajay Kumar, Secretary Defence Production is being invited to deliver special address at the Inaugural Session.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Singha » 17 Jul 2019 01:06

RN has integrated these small martlet missiles for anti FAC role. helina sized and originally meant for helis

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby brar_w » 17 Jul 2019 07:45

Singha wrote:RN has integrated these small martlet missiles for anti FAC role. helina sized and originally meant for helis


I guess something is better than nothing but replenishing these rounds (given their # and location) is going to be difficult in the event of a swarming FAC attack..I think when you have medium-long range guided projectiles available (the Excalibur-N is like 80% there already) then this will become less of a mission for missiles. Till then Hellfire, Spike etc will be the primary systems, if available, for cost-effective targeting of these vessels, particularly in swarms. You really need 24x36 ready to go weapons for the sort of swarms (at least in the littorals or closer to shore) that could be possible in the near term.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 17 Jul 2019 18:21

Perhaps the gun/ missile systems like Kashtan/ Kortik and whose SAMs have a 15 to 20 km range with multiple rounds and sufficient reloads- they do have a secondary capability against small craft, could suffice.However, surely main guns with rapid fire modes should be able to deal with such threats. Most IN warships also have their 30mm gatlings and US warships have Phalanx. The problem lies with Iranian 70 kt. speedboats armed with anti-ship missiles.How many they possess and could field in the constricted waters of the Gulf.Some would be armed with torpedoes too.In fact they don't have to venture out far from port to launch an attack.
A modern day version of fireships.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby brar_w » 17 Jul 2019 19:34

Anti Ship Missiles need targeting and Fire Control so there are multiple paths to deny that (given how small these FAC's are) without even firing a single missile or gun round. Gun solutions obviously exist but you probably don't want to be leaving it all to a 30 mm gun / phalanx when there is a swarm of multiple suicidal armed unmanned (or even manned) vessels approaching from multiple vectors (especially one that is launched by a state instead of a rag tag outfit) as could happen in a littoral situation. Larger blue water ships will naturally face this less given the distance from shore. The Excalibur-N once upgraded with its MMW seeker can probably provide ships with the 5 inch gun a fairly cost-effective solution (especially when one considers what one can do away with in terms of dedicated launch cells/modules and stores) to go after this target type with one-shot-one-kill possibilities at distances much greater than a hellfire, Brimstone etc.

Additionally, I'm sure that as this threat rises (it is already quite severe in some parts of the world) the CONOPS and best practice for these vessels would be to have helicopter coverage when transitioning these waters. You can arm these aircraft with Hellfire missiles or even PG rockets and can therefore extend the range out to past 8-10 km that the smaller missiles provide. Ultimately, what you need is an armed unmanned aircraft that is hovering above the vessel for a long period of time during these transitions and has both a capable data link and an organic sensor to allow to target these vessels in short order. I see the MQ-8C Fire Scout, with its 12-hour endurance, being a popular choice here if it is opened up for export, as an armed variant shouldn't be that far into the future given that the basic ISR version recently declared IOC.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 17 Jul 2019 23:41

Rbu-6000 can be used against surface vessels the Rgb-60 rounds can be programmed with a timer for that purpose and I believe we are developing some indigenous rounds to replace rgb-60. Currently an enhanced longer range version has been developed, perhaps we should add other types of rounds more specialized for land bombardment and engagement of vessels.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Kartik » 18 Jul 2019 09:27

Was this posted earlier?

India floats tender for underwater weapons for Scorpene subs

NEW DELHI --- Months after India's French-origin Scorpene-class submarine started operating without primary underwater weapons systems, the Indian Navy has finally launched a tender worth over $300 million to arm its diesel-electric submarines.

One in six Scorpene-class submarines has been operating for the last two years without heavyweight torpedoes - the primary underwater weapons systems - for attacking and defending against enemy attacks by submarines and surface warships.

"The tender for acquiring around 100 heavyweight torpedoes for Indian Navy submarines was issued 10 days ago by the Defence Ministry," Indian news agency ANI quoted Defence Ministry sources as saying.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 18 Jul 2019 14:52

The diplomat is reporting that India is to export TAL Shyena torpedoes to Myanmar. Not sure which and how many platforms in IN currently use the Shyena torpedoes? Have we developed an air launched version of the same, for use by Helicopters?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby ramana » 18 Jul 2019 22:38

Yes there were news reports from some time about exporting the light weight torpedoes to Myanmar.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby ramana » 18 Jul 2019 22:41

John wrote:Rbu-6000 can be used against surface vessels the Rgb-60 rounds can be programmed with a timer for that purpose and I believe we are developing some indigenous rounds to replace rgb-60. Currently an enhanced longer range version has been developed, perhaps we should add other types of rounds more specialized for land bombardment and engagement of vessels.


Yes OFB developed RBU-6000 upgrade and gives more range and safer propellant

Jaysimha had posted a pdf on that.

The fuze is a contact fuze if I recall. Don't know if it has a time/air burst option.

Let me look for it.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 19 Jul 2019 06:49

Navy to buy Rs 1,589 crore satellite from ISRO.

The Indian Navy has placed an order with the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) for a new dedicated military satellite for communications between its warships, aircraft and shore-based units, with a launch expected within a year.

The Rs 1,589 crore order for a new military satellite—named GSAT 7R—will include launch cost and procurement of necessary infrastructure on ground. The satellite is expected to eventually replace the first dedicated Indian military satellite, the GSAT 7, which was launched in 2013.

The order for the satellite was placed on June 11, with officials saying the newlysanctioned triservices Defence Space Agency is likely to get several new assets in the coming months for communication as well as surveillance.

The GSAT 7R, which will be designed to be compatible with a variety of platforms including future submarines of the Indian Navy, has an expected launch date in 2020. In December last year, a dedicated military communications satellite for the Indian Air Force, dubbed the Indian Angry Bird, was also launched by ISRO.

The GSAT 7A satellite, which went into orbit onboard the indigenous GSLV Mk II rocket, is being used for communication between all strategic platforms of the air force, including fighter jets, drones and early warning aircraft. The GSAT 6, launched in 2015, is being used for communication by ground forces.

India has been steadily increasing its presence in space that started with the series of dual use satellite from the CARTOSAT and RISAT family that are used for surveillance. In April this year, ISRO launched the strategic EMISAT that has been designed to pick up electromagnetic signals and is likely to be used for communication interception and detection of enemy assets.

The biggest surprise that India pulled off however was Anti-Satellite Test carried out on March 27, in which a ground-based interceptor successfully destroyed a low earth orbit satellite. The test placed India in a select grouping of the US, Russia and China with demonstrated antisatellite capability.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 19 Jul 2019 19:37

In the future almost all surface combatants with a heli-deck will have to operate UAVs in addition to ASW/ multi-role helos.An Ru design had an innovative below ddck hangar accessed by a deck lift. This could give extra space for such UAVs and UUVs which can be launched and recoveted from either beam using sliding hull panels and telescopic booms.This will assist in providing the desired EW coverage in detecting air/ missile threats. I don't know if any experimentation with aerostats has been also done, cable fouling can be redressed by launching the aerostat astern from a towed platform.

Ru have developed an anti- mine UUV which can operate at depths around 300m and destroy various types of mines, operable remotely upto 500 m


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