Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 24 Dec 2019 23:18

Navy upgrading airfields with 24x7 surveillance and real-time alerting
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 951946.cms
24 Dec 2019

The Indian Navy is working towards upgrading the security infrastructure of its naval airfields by planning to install systems providing continuous surveillance, real time alerting and immediate response to a threat. The matter came to light in a report of the Standing Committee on Defence which was presented to the Lok Sabha Speaker on Friday. The Navy is progressing a comprehensive case for upgrading the security infrastructure of its airfields. Six naval air stations are being addressed at a projected cost of Rs 500 crore. “This project will leverage technology to provide seamless 24x7 surveillance, physical barriers, real time incident alerting and swift response through a robust and secure command and control system,” the Committee noted. The project has been taken up with the defence ministry to progress it under the revenue to capital route. The Committee has recommended that the upgradation of naval airfields is critical from surveillance and intelligence point of view, and the necessary action should be taken towards this. However, the move comes in the backdrop of the percentage share of the naval budget to the total defence budget witnessing a downfall in the current decade.

In 2012-13, the share was 18.12% and in 2014-15 it was 16.51% , which plummeted to 14.47% in 2018-19. The reduction is prominent in the capital segment, which declined from 10.41 percent in 2014-15 to 7.46 per cent in 2018-19. In the current financial year, it has been reduced to 13.66%. The Committee added that the Navy’s share of the defence budget has seen a steady decline from 18% in the 2012-13 to 13% in the current financial year. It stated that there is a need to enhance the Navy’s share of the budget, in view of its increasing operational commitments. “Keeping in view the declining trend of Navy’s budget over the years and growth of responsibilities, the Committee strongly desire that the Navy’s budget share should be enhanced to 18% of the overall defence budget,” it said. The Navy needs more money both for induction of new warships and other assets, pay up committed liabilities and also for the revenue segment. Navy Chief, Admiral Karambir Singh earlier this month had stated that the force has projected its requirement to the government, while it remains committed to progress force modernization, using the available resources optimally. In the face of shortages, it is emphasizing on prioritization, rationalization and economy of expenditure. It has also had to rework its plan to have 200 warships by 2027. The army and air force are also reeling under budgetary constraints. Such as the shortfall in the budget for the air force is being felt in aircraft maintenance, serviceability and modernization.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 24 Dec 2019 23:23

Threats from non-state actors are real and imminent: Indian Navy chief
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/inte ... 2019-12-06
06 Dec 2019

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Postby Rakesh » 24 Dec 2019 23:25

As scrap, retired naval aircraft carrier Viraat finds no takers
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 862015.cms
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 24 Dec 2019 23:25

Navy budget declined from 18% to 13%: Navy Chief Admiral Karambir Singh
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 350555.cms
03 Dec 2019

Too early to write off aircraft carriers: former Indian Navy Chief
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 825783.cms
19 Dec 2019

Shore-based air operations are still limited by range and that is why it is too early to write off aircraft carriers as they continue to bear huge influence at sea, former Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba (retd) said on Tuesday. "A carrier battle group is a composite group of ships (including an aircraft carrier and submarines)...it brings huge capability to bear influence out at sea. So, in my opinion, it is too early to write off the aircraft carrier," said former Chief of Naval Staff at an event here. "There is a segment all over the world, especially of the air forces, which talks of the vulnerability of the aircraft carrier and (say that) shore-based air forces and aircraft can do what can be done. But they are limited by range," he said. Admiral Lanba (retd) said that any platform at sea comes with its vulnerabilities, whether it is a submarine, destroyer, frigate or an aircraft carrier. "When I have talked to my US counterparts, there are still question marks on Chinese ability to actually strike a carrier out at sea at over 1,000 nautical miles," he said. The US Navy has said that even if the Chinese navy has the capability to strike an aircraft carrier, it has procedures in place to take care of this threat, according to Admiral Lanba (retd).

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 25 Dec 2019 00:03

The highly depleted naval budget is writing off our future carriers!
In alarming reports of Chinese snooping in the ANC, plus plans with Thailand to build the Kra canal bypassing the Malacca Straits....and no prizes for guessing who is to operate the canal,as it did earlier with the Panama Canal to gain valuable experience.
Once China builds and operates the Kra Canal, the Andamans Sea will be one of the most hotly contested waterbodies on the planet allowing it to bypass the Malacca Straits. The corrupt Thai military who run the country, oriental versions of the Paki military,are cutting deals with the Chins which in yhe long run are highly inimical to India.

The next step that China plans is to operate military,air and naval bases in Thailand to " protect" the canal. The Hambantota model used again. Thailand has secretly agreed to lease China a huge chunk of its coastline dominating the Gulf of Siam. These are strongly suspected to include mllitary facilities, as China is providing Thailand with 2 subs.BDesh too has been given 2 old Chin subs, allowing the Chins to train the BDesh submariners in the Bay of Bengal actually gaining much UW knowledge of the waters and ANC.

There is no question that given the rapidly increasing UW threat on both seaboards, Pak's planned 8 AIP Yuan class subs from China, plus the Chinese own subs operating in the IOR especially off our eastern seaboard, a rapid increase in the number of subs in the IN and augmenting our ASW capabilities is the top priority for not just for the IN,but also the Indian military in general. The IN consequently must be given at least 25% of an enhanced defence budget, plus funding for urgent critically needed acquisitions like ASW helos, etc.The sub inventory of both nuclear and conventional boats needs to be at least 36 to 40subs,a minimum of 1/3rd nuclear.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby srai » 27 Dec 2019 19:30

Karthik S wrote:Gurus one query, it's mentioned that P 15B have sonar in the bow, but looking at launch pic, the bow doesn't have the bulbous bow that arleigh burke or type 45 have.

I see a small rounded shape on P 15B bow, is there the sonar will be placed?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Indranil » 27 Dec 2019 20:51

Composite Research Centre in R&DE(E) is developing a composites sonar dome for P15 class of ships for the Indian Navy. The dome is a monocoque structure made up of E-glass reinforcement in epoxy matrix and is fabricated using Vacuum Assisted Resin Transfer Moulding. Two domes are successfully tested and installed on Indian Navalships

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 29 Dec 2019 22:51

Navy plans to build 24 submarines, six of them nuclear powered.

To strengthen its underwater fleet, the Indian Navy plans to build 24 submarines, including six nuclear attack submarines, a parliamentary panel was told.

The Navy also told the panel that Medium Refit Life Certification (MRLC) of submarine Sindhuraj has been held up since the Russian side has not been able to submit bank guarantees and integrity pact due to sanctions imposed by the US.

In its report tabled this month, the Navy stated that there are presently 15 conventional submarines and two nuclear submarines in its fleet. The Indian Navy has two nuclear submarines -- INS Arihant and INS Chakra, the latter being leased from Russia.

Majority of the conventional submarines are over 25 years old. Thirteen submarines age between 17 and 32 years, it said.

“Eighteen (conventional) + six SSN (nuclear attack submarines) are planned but the existing strength is 15 and one is available on lease,” it stated.

The Indian Ocean Region, the area of operations of the Indian Navy has witnessed rising activities of the Chinese Navy. On its part, the Indian Navy has been revamping its infrastructure, including procuring new ships.

Due to the delay in the submarine construction projects, including the Six Project 75 submarines at Mazagaon Docks, Mumbai, the Defence Ministry has approved Medium Refit cum Life Certification or MRLC of six older submarines, so that the force levels do not decline drastically, the report stated.

With regards to the MRLC of first submarine, work has already commenced in Russia on July 16 and is on schedule.

“Contract conclusion for MRLC of second submarine, Sindhuraj, is held up since the Russian side has not been able to submit requisite bank guarantees and integrity pact as a result of the sanctions imposed by the US Govt on them,” it said.

The Navy has also recommended to the Defence Ministry that corporate guarantee of the JSC USC, a 100 per cent Russian government-owned firm, could be accepted and fast-track approval of the competent authority accorded for contract conclusion. The US has imposed sanctions on Moscow citing several reasons ranging from annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine to Russia with the recent one being the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

The Russian side indicated M/s L&T as their preferred partner for undertaking MRLC of the third Submarine Sindhuratna in India,” it added.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 02 Jan 2020 16:15

https://www.janes.com/article/93449/indian-navy-equips-landing-platform-dock-with-indigenous-combat-systems


Why did they remove the phalanx ??
. Thought it was a good equipment aboard the jalashwa

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 02 Jan 2020 19:51



This is big, big, big news if carried out. Wow, 18 SSKs and 6 SSNs. It would put us at the forefront among global powers.

Even P5 members UK and France have 6 SSNs each and they don't have any SSKs.

Very, very ambitious. All we need is sign off on the 65K ton CATOBAR carrier too!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 02 Jan 2020 21:30

chola wrote:


This is big, big, big news if carried out. Wow, 18 SSKs and 6 SSNs. It would put us at the forefront among global powers.

Even P5 members UK and France have 6 SSNs each and they don't have any SSKs.

Very, very ambitious. All we need is sign off on the 65K ton CATOBAR carrier too!


Maybe , but the other nations are not going to remain static in their defence exp. Also all the kilos will be on way out .

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby manjgu » 02 Jan 2020 21:56

subs are the way to go plus other surface ships..OTOH i seriously think a/c carriers for IN is way too ambitious and expensive.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Karthik S » 10 Jan 2020 12:05

Indian Navy to get first tranche of indigenously-built anti-submarine torpedo Varunastra soon
https://zeenews.india.com/india/indian- ... 56409.html

NEW DELHI: The Indian Navy will soon receive the first tranche of indigenously-built heavyweight anti-submarine torpedo Varunastra, which is likely to add more firepower to India's marine defence capabilities.

According to reports, the first tranche of torpedo Varunastra, which has been developed by the Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL), a premier laboratory of the DRDO, will be handed over to the Indian navy within four months.

Its formal induction into the Indian Navy will catapult India into the elite club of eight countries possessing the capability to design and build such a naval defence system. The heavyweight torpedo Varunastra is a ship-launched, electrically-propelled underwater weapon equipped with one of the most advanced automatic and remote-controlled guidance systems.

The weapon system uses its own intelligence in tracking the target.

Capable of hitting stealth submarines underwater, the 1,500-kg Varunastra can carry a warhead weighing 250 kg and has an operational range of 40 km. The anti-submarine electric torpedo is seven to eight metres long with a diameter of 533 mm.

According to the DRDO, the submarine, which can travel at a speed of 40 knots (74 km/h), can be launched both from ships and submarines. It has GPS-based locating aid, a unique feature in contemporary torpedoes in the world, according to the DRDO.


Varunastra has been extensively tested at sea in association with Indian Navy for evaluating the weapon capabilities as per Naval Staff qualitative requirements. The weapon has completed all environmental qualification tests like shock, vibration, temperature cycling, marine environmental tests etc.

Varunastra can be fired from the Rajput class destroyers, Delhi class and all future Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) ships capable of firing heavyweight torpedoes.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Thakur_B » 10 Jan 2020 13:23

Shyena - inducted.
Varunastra - inducted.
Shakti - Project abandoned? Haven't heard anything about it in last 3-4 years.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 10 Jan 2020 15:57

Varunastra Sub-launched version is required urgently now. Can replace all the old Russian torpedoes on the Kilo class subs.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Barath » 10 Jan 2020 16:32

mody wrote:Varunastra Sub-launched version is required urgently now. Can replace all the old Russian torpedoes on the Kilo class subs.


The report references that Varunastra can be used for Kilo.

The contract for varunastra was signed in June 2019 for both ship and submarines.. and talks about 42 months to completion. Presumably the first batch is "soon", hence the news today, and the sub version will also be along in another batch - if they are even distinct versions...

This article says that the training version/exercise version is the only torpedo in the world to have a GPS-based locating aid.

If the exercise torpedo winds up floating after firing, I can see GPS being possible; otherwise I doubt if GPS signal will be very useable (satellite signals underwater tend to be a constraint). Anyone know if there are any other locators (eg INS?). Should be logical/doable ...

The torpedo was handed over to the Navy in June 2016 by RM Parrikar. 3 years betwen handover and contract signature seems long, even for thngs like user trials. Were there any challenges or problems ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Jan 2020 17:51

Any idea what is its length by any chance is there a Varunastra version which can fit in Scorpenes 533mm by 21 ft tubes or have we along with french designers redesigned the Scorpene tubes to be 533mm by 24 ft. Or it the same HDW 209 Torpedos for the Scorpenes.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Arun.prabhu » 10 Jan 2020 20:50

Probably logistics. Phalanx is not standard equipment. Maintenance and spare parts would have been a nightmare.

kit wrote:https://www.janes.com/article/93449/indian-navy-equips-landing-platform-dock-with-indigenous-combat-systems


Why did they remove the phalanx ??
. Thought it was a good equipment aboard the jalashwa

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Barath » 11 Jan 2020 16:50

Aditya_V wrote:Any idea what is its length by any chance is there a Varunastra version which can fit in Scorpenes 533mm by 21 ft tubes or have we along with french designers redesigned the Scorpene tubes to be 533mm by 24 ft. Or it the same HDW 209 Torpedos for the Scorpenes.


Rfp for 100 heavyweight torps for scorpene and arihant was issued last july. Which is after the varunastra contract

https://economictimes.com/news/defence/ ... 229609.cms

The kalvari class has fired SUT torps from the HDW buy.. and I read that the stockpile of 60 sut torps were being used for kalvari and others. While varunastra would need modification

https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/india-i ... ubmarines/

So I am going with no changes done and hdw sut torp re-use in answer to your question..At least till the new tender fructifies

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Karan M » 11 Jan 2020 17:42

Great posts Barath. The official notes still say ship-launched though. Do we have any MOD, or DRDO or BDL, or IN release which mentions sub launched too? The DNA report is pretty explicit. Might well be true. Be good to have some official confirmation.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Jan 2020 22:46

Interesting that the tejas landing happened amidst monitoring of china pak exercise...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 07SHK.html

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 12 Jan 2020 17:48

There is a lot of info missing on the type. Our current stock of Ru and western torpedoes come in diff. categories meant for anti-shipping and anti-sub. Heavyweight,wire-guided( VAstra to what range?), wake-homing,etc. Secondly what is its loiter time,to make repeated attacks if first attacks are unsuccessful. We do not know which basic type it will replace, probably older torpedoes in the inventory coming to the end of their lifespan.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby manjgu » 13 Jan 2020 10:55

while i am supportive of inhouse R&D and advances in aeronautics...can someone explain whats the use case for indian aircraft carrier IAC ? in a short sharp conflict where issues will be decided on land/air, i believe the IAC is redundant.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Jan 2020 12:52

manjgu wrote:while i am supportive of inhouse R&D and advances in aeronautics...can someone explain whats the use case for indian aircraft carrier IAC ? in a short sharp conflict where issues will be decided on land/air, i believe the IAC is redundant.

It helps protect our fleet in the Arabian sea and helps enforce much needed sea blockade. Apart from opening a new attack angle with air launched CMs. Something like P-3c based in Quetta can be based targeted by CM from Navy aircraft.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby mody » 13 Jan 2020 15:03

There have been no reports of the Varunastra torpedo being tested from submarines. The ship launched version is ready and the order for the same has been placed. The sub launched version will not defer much and only needs to be tested, before it can be ordered and start replacing the Russian heavy torpedoes on board the kilo class subs.

The news about tender for torpedoes for the Arihant is perplexing though. One would have assumed that given the level of Russian assistance with the Arihant project, the torpedo tubes would be 24ft long, as per the Russian design.
The varunastra in its current form, can't be modified for use with 21ft torpedo tubes. A new version would have to be developed. This is again a familiar story with Indian defence, where no one bothers till the product is ready. Either the torpedo tubes on all our future subs and those under construction (nuclear powered ones at least), need to be able to accommodate the varunastra torpedo or a new version of the varunastra torpedo should be taken up for development!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby jaysimha » 13 Jan 2020 16:10

Defence Ministry: Visakhapatnam to host International Naval event ‘MILAN’ in March 2020
By New Delhi Times Bureau on January 10, 2020

https://www.newdelhitimes.com/defence-m ... arch-2020/

More than 30 navies have confirmed their participation in MILAN 2020. Vice Admiral SN Ghormade, Chief of Staff Eastern Naval Command (ENC) reviewed the preparations for the mega event at the ENC on January 7, 2020.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby tsarkar » 13 Jan 2020 16:18

manjgu wrote:can someone explain whats the use case for indian aircraft carrier IAC ?

At the very least fleet air defence. Protect Brahmos & Klub land attack missile carrying ships and K15 carrying submarines from enemy MPA and missile carrying fighters at a range before they can launch their anti ship missiles.

manjgu wrote:in a short sharp conflict where issues will be decided on land/air, i believe the IAC is redundant.

You open a second front via the sea forcing the enemy to divert forces from the primary theater. You can also keep the enemy guessing where the assault will land. Gwadar? Ormara? Karachi?

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Postby fanne » 13 Jan 2020 18:00

same use that other navies have - PLAN and USN.

PLAN can ingress from 3 places into Indian ocean. One can be covered from A&N, the other two will need AC, specially when PLAN is also sailing with it. We can also enforce sea blockade of TSP.
Two very useful use cases

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 13 Jan 2020 18:17

mody wrote:There have been no reports of the Varunastra torpedo being tested from submarines. The ship launched version is ready and the order for the same has been placed. The sub launched version will not defer much and only needs to be tested, before it can be ordered and start replacing the Russian heavy torpedoes on board the kilo class subs.


It was supposed to have been test fired in 2017 from INS Sindhughosh

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/18497 ... _Submarine

India has decided to test domestically developed heavyweight torpedo Varunastra from Russian EKM class submarines.
India’s anti-submarine torpedo will be going on trial from INS Sindhughosh submarine soon, Sputnik news reported today.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 13 Jan 2020 22:47

Challenges major for the IN soon.On Sunday China commissioned its first Type 055 Nanchang class DDG meant to escort its CVs.It is 180m long,with a beam of 20 m and carries 112 VLS silos for a mix of anti- air,anti- ship,anti-sub and land attack missiles apart from other general purpose weaponry. To add to the news of the Nanchang- and two more Type 054 DDGs will join the fleet this year along with other FFGs and missile corvettes (around 10 surface combatants in just one year!), another shock came from a
senior Chinese military official that a huge pier was being built at its base at Djibouti "for use of its aircraft carriers". The Shandong has just joined the Liaoning ( ex- Varyag) making it the PLAN's second CV of around 65K t, with at least 2 more in thd making.

Now how will the IN meet the challenge? We can expect a PLAN CBG to be large in number,apart from the CV and DDGs and FFGs of varying types, at least one SSN accompanying the CBG along with more conv. SSKs operating from bases in Pak ( Jiwani and Gwadar, Djibouti, and logistic facilities at Hambantota in sufficient number to keep the IN exceptionally busy drffndingbits bases and key installations from sub- launched missile sttacks.

The covert deal between China and Cambodia for lease of a large part of its coastline, subs to Thailand and the planned canal through the isthmus of Kra, will greatly resolve the " Malacca dilemma", making it far easier for PLAN forces to ingress into the IOR. In other words, China will take the battle to us once it has sufficient forces established and based in the IOR, not forgetting the assets of all-weather friend Pak.

The IN will need sufficient numbers itself to conduct ops in the ICS apart from dealing with the PLAN forces in the IOR. It will need much more than the planned 24 subs whose acquisition is inordinately delayed and excruciatingly slow in local manufacture.
A strong fleet of maritime strike aircraft like Backfires and LRMP aircraft armed with BMos variants and anti-sub weaponry operating from our unsinkable carriers ,the mainland and islands, is the other key priority along with subs and unmanned systems above and below water provide a holistic answer to the to the great game maritime ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 13 Jan 2020 23:49

a reasonable assumption would be two Chinese carrier groups at both eastern and western flanks of IOR inside of a decade, with subs under the sea... it's going to be very crowded pretty soon ... and as usual quite a few in BRF are having doubts about the "affordability of carriers for IN".. in such an eventuality how is India going to respond, a defensive posture is not always best when push comes to shove !!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby brar_w » 13 Jan 2020 23:54

Can't speak for everyone here but there are certainly some who's attitude towards carrier acquisition and increase would be a lot different had the solution (s) for building a larger carrier fleet come from a different part of the world (and the IN was interested in them). Those AESA laden MiG-35 esque MiG-29K's at $15 Million a pop and all the other bells and whistles..

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nam » 14 Jan 2020 00:41

You open a second front via the sea forcing the enemy to divert forces from the primary theater.


I so want the next round of air strikes on JeM/Let targets, come from Vikramaditya, with a long range A2G weapon.

IAF jets mobilizing in air and IN launching a flanking ops..

Our western jokers would have maintain a large defending force of PAF, against IN incursion.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 14 Jan 2020 03:28

nam wrote:
You open a second front via the sea forcing the enemy to divert forces from the primary theater.


I so want the next round of air strikes on JeM/Let targets, come from Vikramaditya, with a long range A2G weapon.

IAF jets mobilizing in air and IN launching a flanking ops..

Our western jokers would have maintain a large defending force of PAF, against IN incursion.



India actually would be in a kind of similar situation vs China if its sea denial capabilities are not widely dispersed ( . read AC groups )


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 14 Jan 2020 03:29

Yaaas,at $15B for a large CV alone with all the bells and whistles like EMALS,etc.,etc. In additiion the IN would require additional billions to augment the surface fleet,sub fleet, acquire mine-countermeasure vessels ( of which we now have zero!). This would beggar the defence budget and provide a nice juicy target to the enemy.

If the US is now debating the survivability of large CVs with the threat from Chinesr BMs,etc.,as well as large surface vessels and examining the usefulness of corvette-sized vessels to be fielded in larger number, unmanned aircraft instead of a new manned naval fighter, then why should the out-of-pocket IN follow the beaten track of yesteryear when the most powerful navy on the high seas is re- examining old concepts?
The RN 65Kt QE class without EMALS and the F-35B,or Cats with a conventional fighter is a more tempting proposition, but even this solution will beggar the bank once you add the carrier's accompanying posse and air complement.

For the IN the answer is staring at it it in the face, using our " unsinkable carriers", the huge Indian landmass,island territories, with land- based LR aircraft like Backfires ( 24 rounds carried) , MKI-SSs with 5 BMos- NGs, P-8Is, etc.,AWACS, and a sub fleet of at least 24 AIP/ conv. boats plus 12-14 N-subs.A western AIP SSK costs around $500 M while an Ru boat is around $ 100M less. A new class of multi-role missile corvettes with greater automation of around 2000+t will give double the number of platforms for prosecuting PLAN subs, plus handle peacetime duties better and more economically than larger DDGs and FFGs.

I've mentioned earlier that our amphibs of 35 to 40K t could be based upon the Vikrant's flight deck, multi-role in concept and able to operate any existing IN carrier aircraft that we possess.The NLCA has just completed its first carrier landing and take- off, and would be ideal for close-support/ strike for any amphib op. too.We've planned to acquire 4. 3 would suffice if designed as such.Interestingly Turkey has just completed its first light carrier based upon the JC design. The IN possessing a total of around 4 to 5 carriers and multi-role amphib flat tops in addition to hhe land- basdd air assets mfntioned above, would have a far greater strike capability against any intruding enrmy CBG, plus greater survivability of its flat tops,having safety in numbers.

These are the more flexible doable options than simply following the US model, which is its requirement of power projection for its goal of expeditionary warfare .The IN does not have that goal.It's primary goal is to dominate the IOR so that its landmass is secure ,energy supplies are protected, and its merchant fleet and those of other nations can freely trade its sealanes. Beyond the IOR its pro-active forward strategy of combating the enemy ( China) is far better prosecuted by nuclear subs and whatever base facilities it can obtain in the ASEAN club, just as China is doing in militarising the atollls and islands in the Spratlys/ ICS, as well as those naval facilities it's obtained in the IOR littoral.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rishirishi » 14 Jan 2020 03:38

kit wrote:a reasonable assumption would be two Chinese carrier groups at both eastern and western flanks of IOR inside of a decade, with subs under the sea... it's going to be very crowded pretty soon ... and as usual quite a few in BRF are having doubts about the "affordability of carriers for IN".. in such an eventuality how is India going to respond, a defensive posture is not always best when push comes to shove !!


They will build as many as they need to confidently project power and rival US. Don't think India has the means to get parity here. In stead it must try to make war as expensive as possible. Time to deploy more Balistic missiles.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jan 2020 21:15

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1217076224675069952 ---> For the n-th time, NSTL's Shakti 'thermal' torpedo (basically powered by a gas turbine) project was shuttered a while ago.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby manjgu » 14 Jan 2020 21:21

Rishirishi wrote:
kit wrote:a reasonable assumption would be two Chinese carrier groups at both eastern and western flanks of IOR inside of a decade, with subs under the sea... it's going to be very crowded pretty soon ... and as usual quite a few in BRF are having doubts about the "affordability of carriers for IN".. in such an eventuality how is India going to respond, a defensive posture is not always best when push comes to shove !!


They will build as many as they need to confidently project power and rival US. Don't think India has the means to get parity here. In stead it must try to make war as expensive as possible. Time to deploy more Balistic missiles.
we have a unsinkable a/c .... i did not understand really if the a/c will be defending itself or other ships. a shooting match between india ...china/pak will be decided on the land/air...the sea bit will be a side show... india has no foreign bases to secure...or protect a expeditiionary force... i have not yet understood the use case for carrier...

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 14 Jan 2020 22:02

OT but I do not think India has the luxury anymore., Of having a defensive posture vs China and offensive against the pakis.. if fight is only in IOR India has advantages and disadvantages as well.. how are you going open a flank at China's vulnerable eastern sea board with land and air forces .. ? If land based assets are being considered a good idea would be to have a naval Base in Japan !!


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