Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby manjgu » 16 May 2020 15:51

RRC and ARC are under RAW .... so thats 14-2 = 12 ...ni hao saar...we almost reached china

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby dinesh_kimar » 16 May 2020 16:38

manjgu wrote: I am not sure if CBI, CID , thugee dacoti deptt, Serious frauds investigation and Wildlife are intelligence agencies. Air intelligence has been mentioned twice !


Oh come, come manjgu ji!

The CBI/CID have been regularly discussed in this very thread, and even been moderated by the mods for the past few years.

Your sudden claim is similar to Chinese ones of " South Tibet" !

I don't hold a similar poor opinion on this "thugee dacoti deptt", which is wat our Intelligence Bureau (IB) used to be called before independence.

To claim it's not an Intelligence "deptt" is the heights !!

I agree Air Intelligence is mentioned twice.

My post is observation to Ramanna Saar's post, that's all.

Perhaps you're right, I dunno much abt the topic.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby manjgu » 16 May 2020 17:38

if we take ur logic then Delhi police, Punjab police etc etc are also intelligence agencies... CBI ..CID are primarily investigating units...ofc u can argue one solves cases by intelligence !!!

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby pushkar.bhat » 18 May 2020 10:43

dinesh_kimar wrote:There's a list of 21 Intelligence agencies available on wiki:

Aviation Research Centre

Central Bureau of Investigation

Central Economic Intelligence Bureau

Combined Services Detailed Interrogation Centre (India)

Criminal Investigation Department 

Directorate of Enforcement

Department of Criminal Intelligence

Directorate of Air Intelligence

Directorate of Military Intelligence

Directorate of Naval Intelligence

Directorate General of Income Tax Investigation

Defence Intelligence Agency

Directorate of Air Intelligence

Directorate of Income Tax (Intelligence and Criminal Investigation)

Directorate of Revenue Intelligence

Economic Intelligence Council

Indian Political Intelligence Office

Intelligence Bureau

Investigation Division of the Central Board of Direct Taxes

Joint Cipher Bureau

Narcotics Control Bureau

National Investigation Agency

National Technical Research Organisation

Radio Research Centre

Regional Economic Intelligence Committee

Research and Analysis Wing

Serious Fraud Investigation Office

Signals Intelligence Directorate

Thuggee Dacoity Department

Wildlife Crime Control Bureau


Chidu pulled a fast one over us when he created NIA after 26/11.

So yet another agency, doing same redundant activities, in petty turf wars, and no absolute coordination, strictly need-to-know basis.

We Indians apparently are quite intelligent!!


This is a listing of all the Intelligence Agencies that India has and had. Classic Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V Job. Many of these were parts of the British Setup and folded up soon after the brits left. Others are precursors to agencies like IB. FYI Thugee and Dacoity department was setup since they had to operate across presidencies and was the Great Grandpa of today's IB.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Manish_Sharma » 06 Jun 2020 12:42

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https://twitter.com/drapr007/status/126 ... 62052?s=19

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jun 2020 13:27

If true, it is in one way disappointing because he should have been either killed in an Indian covert action or should have been awarded capital punishment in an Indian court.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Vips » 06 Jun 2020 22:50

It would be one headache less for Pakistan as he had served his purpose and they need not worry about him croaking to the world of its involvement.Now they can really say that Dawood is not in Pakistan. He was becoming a liability to pakistan with the increased scrutiny it was facing. In any case ISI would by now have all the intel and damaging evidence on the involvement of and protection given to him and his business by some members of Mumbai Police and by political leaders from Congress and NCP.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby wig » 07 Jun 2020 09:13

https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-n ... PL59N.html

Operation Dolphin Nose: NIA arrests 53-year-old bizman for leaking vital Navy information
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The National Investigation Agency (NIA) on Friday arrested a 53-year-old Abdul Rehman Abdul Jabbar Sheikh, a Mumbai resident, who is believed to be a conspirator in the Visakhapatnam espionage case. Sheikh’s wife Shaista Qaiser, who was born in Pakistan, was earlier arrested in connection with the same case for terror funding as part of the operation code-named ‘Dolphin Nose’.

Sheikh, a resident of Agripada in south Mumbai, is a businessman and runs a firm named ‘SR Enterprises’ which exports groundnut to Afghanistan. Sheikh used his wife’s phone to share crucial information regarding positioning of Indian Navy ships and submarines at its critical bases. NIA conducted a search at Sheikh’s residence on Saturday and seized digital devices and incriminating documents from his house, said an NIA official.

Earlier, apart Qaiser, NIA had arrested key conspirator Mohammed Haroon Haji Abdul Rehman Lakdawala from south Mumbai on May 15. During searches at Lakdawala’s house, several digital devices and incriminating documents had also been seized by NIA.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Jun 2020 22:15

When ISI was duped by Indian Military intelligence — Op Comedy of Sleuth Errors!
https://resonantnews.com/2020/06/10/whe ... th-errors/
10 June 2020

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Ashokk » 12 Jun 2020 03:30

Rakesh wrote:When ISI was duped by Indian Military intelligence — Op Comedy of Sleuth Errors!
https://resonantnews.com/2020/06/10/whe ... th-errors/
10 June 2020

Op Bakhpura– Hunting down terrorists who massacred Kashmiri Pandits in Nadimarg

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby wig » 06 Aug 2020 19:30

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... K2ALJ.html

Turkey’s tentacles in India go deeper than thought, says new intel warning
The intel report also accused the Turkish Embassy in Delhi of forging alliances with Indian NGOs, pointing that Indian activists who serve Ankara’s agenda are increasingly being sent to Turkey on exposure trips and encouraged to speak against India.
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The intelligence assessment identified individuals and groups, some of them also suspected to be in touch with Pakistan’s ISI, who had been lured to work with entities in Turkey that had strong links with the Erdogan regime.

In particular, the report listed organisations that had started accelerating what it described as “lucrative scholarships” to Indians to study in Turkey.

“Turkey has been providing lucrative scholarships and running exchange programmes for Indian Kashmiri and Muslim students to study in Turkey through state-sponsored NGOs. Once the students land in Turkey, they are approached and taken over by the Pakistan proxies operating there,” the report said.


The list of outfits that sponsor the scholarships is long, the report said. It includes Turkey Youth Foundation (TUGVA), Presidency of Turks Abroad and Related Communities (YTB), Turkish Airlines, Yunnus Emre Institute (YEI), Turkey’s Diyanet Foundation (TDF) and Turkist Cooperation and Coordination Agency (TIKA).

“Most of these organisations have direct connections with the Turkish government, President Erdogan or his family,” a counter-terror official said.

The TUGVA, which functions under Erdogan’s son Bilal’s patronage, has developed strong links within India by establishing connections with Islamic outfits in India including Jamaat-e-Islamic Organisation’s student wing, Student Islamic Organisation, the report said.

The intel report also accused the Turkish Embassy in Delhi of forging alliances with Indian NGOs, pointing that Indian activists who serve Ankara’s agenda are increasingly being sent to Turkey on exposure trips and encouraged to speak against India. Some of the Turkish organisations that have been used to launch coordinated attacks on India are its International Humanitarian Relief Foundation, the TDF (which also funds scholarships) and Pak-Turkey Cultural Association.

The TDF is part of the religious directorate of Turkey, now deployed with Erdogan supporters, and tasked to build Erdogan’s image as the tallest leader of the Muslim community by championing the Islamic cause where it suits Erdogan’’s ambitions.


And Turkey’s authoritarian leader for 18 years has many.

The most prominent has been to lead the Muslim world, building on Turkey’s imperial Ottoman past. The Ottoman sultans doubled as the caliphs of the Muslim world. Erdogan and his supporters believe they can revive the Ottoman Empire’s former glory that collapsed nearly a century back, and its peak in the 1500s ruled over much of Southeastern Europe, west Asia, and North Africa’s coastal strip.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby sum » 19 Aug 2020 13:08

Seems a goldmine of a book:
RAW: A History of India’s Covert Operations' showcases India’s shadow warriors


The intelligence included the Tigers’ military formations as well as civilian populations so as to avoid casualties. ‘It was not LTTE alone that killed our assets,’ said Pawan Arora, a R&AW officer. ‘We later learnt that the Sri Lankan army had also been involved in hitting our informers. Just before the final and massive offensive in April 2009, some important assets were evacuated from Jaffna on a ship headed to the Maldives... At Kilinochchi in the northern province of Sri Lanka, he revealed, a compound that housed some R&AW informers had just one survivor that month and a white cat.

MEA Bungling on China: R&AW agents began to enquire in Beijing and Islamabad about Colombo’s plan. The liaison unit, working with friendly foreign intelligence agencies, reported that China had secretly provided arms and ammunition to the Sri Lankan army during the civil war and was now ready to invest more than $2 billion in Sri Lanka…China had not only provided fighter jets to the Sri Lankan army, it had also trained the pilots with the help of Islamabad.

Avinash said: ‘When we warned the India foreign service about the Chinese, a senior officer told me not to worry. Let China build the roads, he said, and we will ply our buses on those roads. When we complained about him, he was immediately removed and shifted to some insignificant position at the Delhi headquarters.’ The officer codenamed ‘PAS’ was fond of scotch and the Indian spies had reported on various occasions that he was more interested in attending high-spirit parties than protecting and preserving India’s interests in Sri Lanka. ‘Once he was trapped by our spies and subsequently confronted with the evidence, we wanted him out of Sri Lanka. He was a compromised man,’ Avinash said, quoting a report that the R&AW had ciphered to New Delhi.


R&AW launched an operation in Paris and London to neutralise UK-based Pakistani national Abdul Khan who was sheltering extremists and planning attacks in India with the help of ISI and renegade Indian businessmen Balwant, Harbakhsh Singh, BN Sandhu, Avtaar Sethi and Harpreet Ahuja. Indian agent Sanjeev Jindal was given clearance by his pop star of spies boss Anuj Bharadwaj to swing into action. With foreign operatives Clarke and Sophie, he foiled the plot and Khan was shot dead.


He provided a list of the officers, profiles of people connected to Khan and Sandhu, and above all, names of recruits in India who he believed were staunch supporters of the network. In the meantime, he forwarded the names of the Indian module to the R&AW headquarters. Jindal was informed sometime in April that eighteen people on the list had been neutralized in a covert operation and they had launched a manhunt for nine others. The conversation among the network involving Khan, Sandhu and the ISI officers revealed a plan to expand the operation and the Pakistani intelligence officers assured substantial sums of money for the attacks. In July and August, Bhardwaj was informed by his contacts in British counterintelligence agencies that the Pakistanis had been told to shut shop.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby morem » 20 Aug 2020 01:05

I bought the book, some very interesting nuggets of information in there

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby chetak » 20 Aug 2020 02:38

NIA arrests Abdur Rehman, an ophthalmologist working in M S Ramaiah Medical College Hospital, Bangalore for developing medical and weaponry app for ISIS https://swarajyamag.com/insta/nia-arrests-abdur-rehman-an-ophthalmologist-working-in-bengaluru-hospital-for-developing-medical-and-weaponry-app-for-isis via @swarajyamag


The arrest of Abdur Rahman was based on a case registered by Delhi Police Special Cell in March, 2020, following the arrest of a Kashmiri couple Jahanzaib Sami Wani and his wife Hina Bashir Beigh from Okhla Vihar, Jamia Nagar in Delhi. The couple were found to be have close links with ISKP, a banned terrorist organisation and is a part of ISIS.

Two others, Sadiya Anwar Sheikh and Nabeel Siddick Khatri, both residents of Pune, were also arrested in the case and charged with conspiracy to further the activities of ISIS/ISKP in India.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby sum » 21 Aug 2020 09:56

The sheer tech might of Amir-khan:
US government built secret iPod with Apple’s help, former engineer says

Shayer said he never learned precisely what the modified iPod did. He knew that the engineers were combining the modified OS with some sort of hardware added to a fifth-generation iPod. The objective was to create a device that could record ambient data and write it to the device disk—all in a way that couldn’t be easily detected.

Based on the Department of Energy’s oversight of nuclear weapons and programs, he speculates that the secret iPod was to include a Geiger counter that could covertly sniff out stolen uranium, evidence of a dirty bomb development program, or similar things.

Apple didn’t respond to multiple emails sent over two days seeking comment for this post. Tony Fadell, who at the time was the senior VP of the iPod division, has taken to Twitter over the past two days to say Shayer’s account is accurate and to provide a few additional details. According to Shayer, Fadell was one of only four people inside Apple who knew of the project. Through a representative, Fadell declined to comment. Attempts to contact Shayer were unsuccessful.

“Absolutely spot on David Shayer,” Fadell, who inside Apple circles was sometimes called “the father of the iPod,” wrote. “This project was real w/o a doubt. There was whole surreal drama & interesting story about how this project was kicked off & then kept secret.”

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby k prasad » 25 Aug 2020 05:32

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/d-listed-why-pakistan-may-finally-be-looking-to-dump-dawood-2815347.html

Does anyone know what is the 2016 covert operation the article is referring to?

Is it the same as the abortive 2015 attempt that was foiled by corrupt Mumbai cops, or something else?

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby pushkar.bhat » 25 Aug 2020 11:25

k prasad wrote:https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/d-listed-why-pakistan-may-finally-be-looking-to-dump-dawood-2815347.html

Does anyone know what is the 2016 covert operation the article is referring to?

Is it the same as the abortive 2015 attempt that was foiled by corrupt Mumbai cops, or something else?


May be someone was planning to bump him off and then the Na-PAKIs got a wind of it. I too have not heard details of it.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Tuan » 29 Aug 2020 03:18

Eli Cohen: Mossad Agent 88 - Al Jazeera documentary
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/al ... 25654.html


The life and death of Israeli spy Eli Cohen, who operated undercover in Syria in 1960s before his identity was revealed.

In one of the most audacious individual espionage operations ever, Eli Cohen, an Egyptian-born Jewish accounting clerk, was recruited by Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, trained intensively as a field agent for six months and given a new identity as an Arab businessman in South America.

In 1962, he was deployed as a spy to Damascus where he successfully ingratiated himself with the higher echelons of Syrian society.

He fed intelligence to Mossad for three years and is credited by some for enabling the Israeli military to take the Golan Heights in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.

Cohen was eventually found out, however, and publicly executed in 1965.

In this documentary, a Syrian politician and writer discusses the events that led to the arrest, trial and death sentence of Mossad Agent 88.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Anoop » 31 Aug 2020 09:09

Very interesting discussion on the terror funding mechanisms. Towards the end, you get to hear the compensation for a terrorist who is killed - just around Rs. 1-2 lakhs for someone like Kasab! The life cycle cost for a terrorist is around Rs. 3 lakhs only. The LeT's annual operating budget is estimated at just around $10-15 MM. You can see why Pakistan is not going to ever let go of such a cheap means of bleeding India. The only way forward is for the indirect costs to climb - FATF actions, internal security etc.

https://youtu.be/8B-XFC1eElw

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Manish_P » 31 Aug 2020 10:29

+ 1

And no worry about pensions either... effectively giving the Paki gernails more ROI than the uniformed jihadis

While the afsaran class show initiative in doing out of the box thinking like selling off embassy buildings, for the general awaam, including the lower ranks in the military, it might most probably be a mess like the rest of the country. And the shameless beggars are even asking demanding for a loan to reform it!

Within four months of formation: Pensions’ panel becomes dysfunctional

The Pay and Pension Commission has become dysfunctional within four months of its constitution as confusion remains within the government over pension reforms, which Prime Minister Imran Khan has described as a "more serious issue than the circular debt".

The whole exercise of the government was now revolving around the $75 million loan that it wanted to take from the World Bank in the name of pension reforms, said the sources. :roll:


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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 01 Sep 2020 17:15

Very interesting development in UAE on hawala operators. This had potential of radically cutting down on money laundering, terror financing, crime.

Gulf News Report- for hawala service providers to register

The UAE has made it mandatory for Hawala service providers in the country to register, as the country strengthens its anti-money laundering and counter terrorist financing (AML/CFT) framework, the Central Bank said in a statement on Monday.
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Hawala, or hundi, is an unofficial and informal channel to transfer money mainly used among South Asians whereby they give money to agents who then instruct their associates in the country to deliver it to the customer's house. It is estimated that between $100 billion to $300 billion flow through this informal transfer system globally every year.

With UAE being a one of the major markets for remittances, regulating this informal industry will help monitor money-laundering and counter terror funding. Remittances from the UAE amounted to some Dh165 billion in 2019, led by India, Pakistan, the Philippines, Egypt, the UK, and Bangladesh.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby Manish_P » 09 Oct 2020 18:18

Hopefully with some of such characters we do false feeding of info...

HAL employee held for supplying secret information to Pak spy agency ISI

The Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) on Thursday arrested an employee of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for allegedly supplying secret information about Indian fighter aircrafts and their manufacturing units to ISI

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby MeshaVishwas » 13 Oct 2020 19:27

'Missing’ RMP scientist ‘found’ in Vijayawada
https://starofmysore.com/missing-rmp-sc ... awada/amp/
(Not sure if the news fits here, Adminullah's please feel free to move it to appropriate thread)

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

Postby ramana » 21 Oct 2020 05:26

Strange. Could be Covid-19 related.


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