Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

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Don’t just look at defence budget. India’s intelligence services, police desperately need funds.

Endowed with a genius for traitor-making,” noted civil servant John William Kaye of colonial India’s greatest spy. From 1831 to 1857, Mohan Lal Zutshi had helped shape the Empire he served, feeding false information to the court of Persia not to strike across the Indus, building secrets networks across central Asia, warning that the Afghan war of 1842 was headed to disaster—and when it happened, rescuing British prisoners headed for the slave-markets of Turkestan.

Then, in 1877, Zutshi—Agha Hasan Jan to some, Mirza Quli Kashmiri to others—passed away at his home on the fringes of Delhi, ending a long retirement financed by dowries raised from his 17 wives.

“Ill of temper, ill of health,” Zutshi fumed in his diary, “these are caused by injustice”. His masters never paid the bills for his epic Afghan achievements, and the great spy died in penury.

Internal security budget nightmare
As India’s intelligence and police services contemplate the upcoming Union budget, they’re entitled to feel similar irritation. For years now, expenditure on internal security institutions has been stagnant. Last year’s budget gave the Intelligence Bureau just Rs 83.5 crore for capital expenditure, out of an overall outlay of Rs 2,575.25 crore. Forensic science, the backbone of modern investigation, was committed just Rs 15.4 crore in capital expenditure; Rs 21.69 crore was provided for police training.

Funding for the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW), India’s external intelligence service, isn’t made public, but insiders say the organisation is also stressed. As demands for quality intelligence on China’s military and policies have surged, in the wake of the crisis along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the organisation has had to swivel resources away from long-standing covert programmes in regions such as Afghanistan and Iran.

Even modernisation of the obsolescent hardware holding up the national criminal database—meant to be the keystone of the modernisation of policing—is slowing. Last year, it received Rs 668.5 crore, down from Rs 784.53 crore in 2020-2021 and Rs 939.79 crore in 2019-2020.

Financial pressures on the defence services, which have slowed their modernisation over the best part of a decade, receive national attention. The dangerously-anaemic state of the intelligence and police services—the backbone of India’s state security—rarely gets a mention.

India’s only security challenge isn’t on the LAC, though. In addition to insurgencies like Kashmir or Chhattisgarh, there’s the threat of violence by unemployed young people, caste tensions and communal killings. Even on the streets of Delhi, police seem unable to even stop broad-daylight mob attacks.

As I have pointed out earlier, the implosion of the Haryana Police along caste lines in 2016, the failure of intelligence services and police to contain violence after the arrest of Ram Rahim Singh; the near-collapse of the state across southern Kashmir in 2018: These are illustrations of what India might look like if policing and intelligence aren’t fixed.

A state of chronic anaemia
For an understanding of the chronic anaemic of India’s police and intelligence services, two facts are key: There aren’t enough personnel, and the ones present aren’t trained or equipped to appropriate standards. The Bureau of Police Research and Development estimates there are 192 officers sanctioned for every 100,000 of India’s 1.2 billion-plus population. Because of budget constraints, though, India actually has only 150.8 police officers per 100,000 people—well below the United Nations norm of 250.

Telangana should have 218 police per 100,000 residents; it has 131. Uttar Pradesh should have 185; it has 127. Bihar doesn’t even pretend to aspire to United Nations norms — it has 73 per 100,000, as noted earlier.

In 2020-2021, the Parliamentary Research Service estimated that Indian states spent an aggregate of 4.1 per cent of their budgets on policing—which might sound impressive, if it weren’t for the fact that the spending is mainly on salaries.

Even in relatively well-administered Maharashtra, scholars Renuka Sane and Neha Sinha wrote, “budgets, as they stand, barely allocate funds for operational expenses of running police stations, or maintenance costs for computer systems, arms and ammunition”.

Training is just as much of a problem. The most recent figures available, from 2016-2017, show 44,083 police personnel—or 0.03 per cent of the national police force—received any form of in-service training. Total state and central government spending on modernisation of facilities, the Bureau of Police Research and Development recorded, stood at just Rs 7,356.18 crore, or less than 7 per cent.

India’s intelligence services suffer from similar deficits. In 2013, then-Minister of State for Home R. P. N. Singh told Parliament that the Intelligence Bureau had 18,795 personnel on its rolls, against a sanctioned strength of 26,867. That one-in-three shortfall, officials say, is almost unchanged, nine years on. The organisation, therefore, doesn’t have the luxury of mentoring young officers to acquire deep specialist knowledge of domains like Kashmir, or Maoist terrorism—one of its historic strengths.

R&AW is believed to have similar staffing deficits, especially in key mid-level executive positions. Increasingly reliant, on Indian Police Service officers serving short-term tenures, the organisation is dangerously short of experts with granular knowledge of regions like China, Central Asia and the Middle East. Funding is believed to be relatively generous for offensive covert operations—targeting terrorists in neighbouring and in technical capabilities, like surveillance—but there has been a slow degrading of analytic and linguistic skills.

The segments of internal security that are well-funded, interestingly, tend to touch directly on the lives of VVIPs and national elites. Last year, Rs 145.20 crore was budgeted for capital expenditure on the Special Protection Group, and Rs 222.63 crore for the Delhi Police.

A dangerous deficit
Elsewhere in the world, far less volatile polities have realised spending on internal security is essential for maintaining law and social order. The United States, with a far smaller population than India, spends over $100 billion each year on policing. The budget of New York’s police force for modernisation alone outstrips that of India. China is reported to have been spending more on its internal security institutions than on defence.

True, neither India’s central government nor the states can—or ought, given other pressing social needs—seek to match these enormous numbers. There is, however, a need for a clear roadmap for modernising and developing the internal security system. In some cases, enhancing training or regional skills, thoroughgoing personnel-policy and recruitment reforms are needed, too.

Ever since the birth of Indian policing, experts have flagged the same issues, as I wrote earlier. The first issue of the national Crime in India Survey, published in 1953, warned that “India has the lowest number of policemen 100,000 of population”. In rural areas, it said the police “had ceased to exist as an effective force”. Lack of funding had meant that “there had been no improvement in methods of investigation, or the application of science”.

“All these handicaps continue to exist”, the survey recorded the next year. Thus, “we make the same suggestions we made the last year”.
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One of these days Karma with catch up with the Coupta gang and their running with hounds and hunting with hares model.
The same gang claims India got Pegasus software to monitor the useless Opposition politicians whose stature goes up if they are monitored or get security guards. All are Lizards tails.

And this is an example of riling troops in covert agencies by raising expectations.
If Mohan Lal Zutshi was there in the 19th century, Ajit Doval is the NSA now, unlike earlier IFS folks cut from Hamid Ansari-type cloth! So he would know where to spend the limited resource. No thank you Print. Especially Grandmother crossed LOC Swami!

One BS he spouts RAW: has 1/3 Military, 1/3 Police from States, and only 1/3 headquarters ever since it was formed per B Raman. This is to ensure proper expertise.
We know the states under Oppostioin CMs are refusing Central Reserve Cadre. Must be the same in the intelligence services too. Hence the shortfall.
Even the Indian Political Service of British used to have its cadre staffed with a minimum of 10 years of service in the districts!

Philip Woodruff classic Vol II
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Ten-year old report in Seminar 2012.
Lets see how far we have come?
https://www.india-seminar.com/2013/641/ ... _et_al.htm
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kit wrote:https://www.theweek.in/news/sci-tech/20 ... ernet.html

To what extent can the Star link system affect Indias security ?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 692679.cms

The Starlink constellation of low earth orbit (LEO) satellites of Elon Musk's SpaceX are causing a lot of grief ..with Isro having to re-position them 19 times in 2021
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Quad to discuss ways to monitor China's activities in Indo-Pacific region
The monitoring network is officially being proposed as an initiative by the Quad to track illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing (IUU fishing). Sources in New Delhi, however, said that it could also double up as a mechanism to collectively keep watch on the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy’s aggressive moves in the Indo-Pacific regions.
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There was a 2018 report by ORF on Grey shipping in the Indian Ocean and Chinese links to it.
Will have to search for it.
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The daughter of a friend of mine wrote this fiction story based on real life events:

https://netqueenblogs.blogspot.com/2022 ... 1137122633

Please be kind in your comments, the author is barely 15 yrs old.
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Intelligence Bureau gets ₹138 crore, months after Amit Shah’s push to upgrade counter-terrorism grid
It is meant for the upgrade of Multi Agency Centre which acts as a platform to analyse information on terror-related activities
The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) has sanctioned ₹138.48 crore to the Intelligence Bureau (IB) for a “technical upgrade,” a senior government official said. The funds are meant to upgrade the Multi Agency Centre (MAC), a common counter-terrorism grid under Intelligence Bureau that was conceptualised in 2001, post-Kargil war.

The money was sanctioned months after Union Home Minister Amit Shah reviewed the functioning of MAC with State Director General of Police (DGP), Intelligence Bureau, army and other security agencies in a pan-India meeting in January stressing on the “need for better coordination and synergy among the central and State security agencies in countering the ever-changing counter terrorism and security challenges.”
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Dilbu wrote:Intelligence Bureau gets ₹138 crore, months after Amit Shah’s push to upgrade counter-terrorism grid
It is meant for the upgrade of Multi Agency Centre which acts as a platform to analyse information on terror-related activities
The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) has sanctioned ₹138.48 crore to the Intelligence Bureau (IB) for a “technical upgrade,” a senior government official said. The funds are meant to upgrade the Multi Agency Centre (MAC), a common counter-terrorism grid under Intelligence Bureau that was conceptualised in 2001, post-Kargil war.

The money was sanctioned months after Union Home Minister Amit Shah reviewed the functioning of MAC with State Director General of Police (DGP), Intelligence Bureau, army and other security agencies in a pan-India meeting in January stressing on the “need for better coordination and synergy among the central and State security agencies in countering the ever-changing counter terrorism and security challenges.”
looking at the large scale activation of BIF , the agencies need more for surveillance., India needs to be a police state more than the Chinese , just because its a democracy where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of few :wink:
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Good, time to divert all religious pilgrimage and minority welfare funds to needs like these that will actually improve L&O.
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kit wrote:
kit wrote:https://www.theweek.in/news/sci-tech/20 ... ernet.html

To what extent can the Star link system affect Indias security ?
https://telecom.economictimes.indiatime ... y/82545979
New business models and technological evolutions such as the satellite-based communications or SatCom may pose national security challenges, and there is a need for a regular scrutiny and taking suitable actions, a senior government official said.

"Space-based Internet is increasingly becoming a reality. New models of business and technology evolution may pose new security challenges and there will be a continuous need to examine these challenges and take appropriate actions," Ajay Kumar, Secretary, Ministry of Defence told ETTelecom.
My pet peeve.. i do have khujli with Musker's star link.. this one system can undermine national security in a lot many ways/., and the Chinese seem to have woken up to the potential threat., and it not just China , India needs to have a system in place to contain this

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science ... ink-threat

SpaceX has signed a contract with the US Defence Department to develop new technology based on the Starlink platform, including sensitive instruments able to detect and track hypersonic weapons travelling at five times the speed of sound, or even faster in the Earth’s atmosphere.
Starlink satellites are also equipped with ion thrusters that allow them to change orbits rapidly for an offensive move against high value targets in space, according to Ren’s team.
With more than 2,300 satellites – and counting – in orbit, Starlink is generally believed to be indestructible because the system can maintain proper functioning after losing some satellites.

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to Ren and his colleagues.
For instance, it would be possible for satellites carrying military payloads to be launched amid a batch of Starlink’s commercial craft, they suggested.
The Chinese military therefore needed to upgrade its existing space surveillance systems to obtain super-sharp images of these small satellites for experts to identify unusual features, they said.
China claims it has already developed numerous ground-based laser imaging devices that can photograph orbiting satellites at a millimetre-resolution, but in addition to optical and radar imaging, the country also needs to be able to intercept signals from each Starlink satellite to detect any potential threat, according to Ren.

China has launched a similar project known as Xing Wang – StarNet – to provide internet access on a global scale.
The StarNet system will have only a few hundred satellites, but will achieve high performance by connecting with other Chinese satellites to form a high-speed, powerful and resilient information infrastructure with cutting-edge technology such as laser communication and AI, according to Chinese space authorities.
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Defence lab staffer honeytrapped by Pakistani agent for missile info
An engineer with Defence Research & Development Laboratory (DRDL) was honey-trapped by a woman ISI operative, who lured him with love, passion and promise of marriage and soon forced him to leak sensitive information on India's missile development. The accused, Mallikarjuna Reddy, 29, was arrested from his Meerpet house on Friday, months after his relationship suddenly turned cold with the Pakistani spy, who masqueraded under the name of Natasha Rao.

A contractual quality assurance engineer, Reddy was working on a classified advance naval system programme at the defence lab's RCI complex in Balapur. His clandestine activity was busted by Rachakonda special operations team (SOT), which along with Balapur police swooped down on his residence and took him into custody.

The engineer put up a Facebook status message about his new job with DRDL in March 2018. Two years later, he received a friend request from Natasha Rao, who introduced herself as an employee of a UK Defence Journal. "Reddy gladly accepted the friend request. She also told the engineer, she was the daughter of an IAF officer and had lived in Bengaluru. Subsequently, Natasha proposed marriage," said SOT inspector Anji Reddy. Reddy too fell in love and on the woman's request, he began sharing photos and text on development of missiles at DRDL, said a Rachakonda police official.
Do our defence industry staffers not get trained to recognize & be on the look-out for such traps? Also periodical staff awareness & audit programs would help sensitize the staff
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Manish_P wrote:Defence lab staffer honeytrapped by Pakistani agent for missile info

Do our defence industry staffers not get trained to recognize & be on the look-out for such traps? Also periodical staff awareness & audit programs would help sensitize the staff
A stiff pr!ck has no conscience and is truly secular
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chetak wrote:
Manish_P wrote:Defence lab staffer honeytrapped by Pakistani agent for missile info

Do our defence industry staffers not get trained to recognize & be on the look-out for such traps? Also periodical staff awareness & audit programs would help sensitize the staff
A stiff pr!ck has no conscience and is truly secular
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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With such loopholes anyone can get an @UIDAI issued card in India.

is there no way to sort out this menace

the KAR racket had illegal beedis actually running the show and helping other illegal beedis to shoehorn into the system


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and these are the gaping loopholes that have been purposely left open by sold out and motivated babooze, jehadi lobbies and BIF FFNGOs


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A rather candid interview between an ex-SF + ex-NSG + ex Intelligence operative and S. Hussain Zaidi, one of the most profilic Indian crime journalist.

Very interesting to say the least. Mr. Bisht is probably looking for some publicity.
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The R. Madhavan film "Rocketry" on Nambi Narayanan raises a lot of troubling questions even now.
Need to mind map all the names and agencies mentioned in the book and the film.
There are differences between the book "Ready to Fire" and the film "Rocketry" and can be assigned to filmi liberty.
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How fears of Chinese digital espionage ‘got RAW involved in Mauritius, led to snooping scandal’
New Delhi: Technical experts from the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) issued multiple warnings, beginning early last year, about the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) using internet infrastructure built by controversial Chinese firm Huawei in Mauritius to conduct digital espionage against India and Western targets across the Indian Ocean, intelligence sources have told ThePrint.

India’s concerns, which centred on a submarine landing station at Baie-du-Jacotet in Mauritius, were conveyed to the country through its National Security Advisor (NSA) Kumaresan Ilango, a former RAW officer, added the sources.
Just last month, Mauritius Telecom (MT) chief executive Sherry Singh stepped down, claiming in an interview after the resignation that he received instructions from Mauritian Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth to allow the installation of internet monitoring equipment at the Baie-du-Jacotet submarine-cable station.

Singh’s allegations have snowballed into a growing political scandal, with opposition parties accusing him of treason.

The equipment RAW sought to install is alleged to have consisted of digital sniffers — tools which allow internet traffic to be intercepted and stored for later analysis.
India, sources said, has already deployed similar equipment at Kochi, one of the landing points for the South Africa-Far East (SAFE) optical fibre submarine cable linking South Africa, Mauritius, the French territory of La Réunion in the Indian Ocean, India, and Malaysia.

Espionage targets on the PLA’s radar in the region include an Indian-built facility at Agaléga island, 1,120 kilometres from the Mauritian capital, Port Louis. The island is being developed into a staging post for Indian maritime intelligence gathering on Chinese shipping.

France, which operates naval and air assets out of the island of La Réunion, is increasingly worried about digital espionage by the PLA, sources added.

“There was a security issue, and it was necessary to do this survey in Mauritius,” Jugnauth admitted earlier this month, adding that he “personally approached” PM Narendra Modi, requesting him to “send a competent team for this survey”.

The Indian government has offered no official comment on the issue.
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NSA Doval to distribute medal on 55th raising day of R&AW
India’s external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing, today celebrated its 55th Raising Day with National Security Advisor Ajit Doval slated to distribute 106 medals to officers and personnel of the spy agency for commendable performance and meritorious work later this evening. It is understood that Secretary (R&AW) Samant Kumar Goel briefed the NSA on the performance of the agency and gave a broad overview to Doval on their priority areas in the neighborhood and beyond.
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x-posted from Internal Security thread. As this also has relevance in the "Intelligence" domain.
Nation wide raids by ED & NIA units on Popular Front of India (PFI)
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Seems some activity in Nepal

ISI currency launderer gunned down
An ISI agent who was the biggest supplier of fake currencies in India was shot dead in Nepal's Kathmandu on September 19.
A man who worked as an agent of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was shot dead outside his hideout in Nepal’s Kathmandu on September 19. Intel agencies told India Today that he was the biggest supplier of ISI's counterfeit notes in India.
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ISI has been using Nepal as a base for pushing counterfeit currency for more then 2 decades now.

What is stopping India from reading the riot act to Nepal? They are dependent on us in every way and if we were to enforce a blockade not everything can be sourced by it from China. Even if it does it cannot do so sustainably as it will be at 4x-6x of the cost compared to India.

If we cannot handle pinpricks like Nepal and Sri lanka(i am well aware of the the geo-strategic calculus) it does not bode well for us.
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According to some sources these ex Indian Navy men are accused of spying for Israel.
Concerns grow over detention of eight former navy officers in Qatar
Concerns about the detention of eight former Indian Navy personnel in Qatar have grown following the emergence of unsubstantiated reports that they have been charged with espionage.
Over the past few days, posts by Pakistani users on social media and on Pakistani forums have claimed the men were facing charges of espionage. People familiar with the matter, however, rubbished these claims.
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ANI Podcast: Colonel Hunny Bakshi

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How did this guy rise up so high ?
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Amid Dalai Lama visit to Bodh Gaya, police take Chinese woman into custody
Amid the Dalai Lama’s visit to Bodh Gaya in Bihar, police Thursday said they took into custody a Chinese woman who was staying there on an expired visa. Security was also stepped up in the town.

The woman, Song Xiaolan, is being questioned, said police.

Gaya Police had received a security alert and issued a sketch of the woman with her passport and visa details.
Gaya Senior Superintendent of Police Harpreet Kaur said: “We have received input regarding a Chinese woman’s overstay. We have been talking to monasteries… We have already intensified security for the visiting Dalai Lama, whose security is our top agenda.”
-Ankit
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srin wrote:How did this guy rise up so high ?
Similar to how his IFS buddy and Islamist gangster relative Hamid Ansari who betrayed Raw agents in Iran rose up to vice president position. Congress eco system. Vajpayee was naïve and soft. When dulat released his book ‘Kashmir The Vajpayee Years’, Hamid Ansari was the chief guest.
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Congress eco-system and seniority card.
Guy has nothing to his credit but can comment on Doval!!!
also if he was RAW chief why is so hung up on Kashmir?
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I read Dulat's book hoping to see some good substance from an ex RAW chief. Instead, all it contained was how govt resources were spent on separatists with rosy visions of converting to democratic politics. The separatists were taking money from India and Pakistan, and killing Indians. The whole book gave a feeling that nothing was done under Dulat to counter the Jehadis/Separatists. They would spend money on one separatist after another to reach political goals, not caring for the Indians being killed at all. These guys were the reason why Yasin Malik kind were celebrities in Delhi. We have a big portion on bureaucracy and many agencies filling their pockets and doing their own bidding even if it is to the detriment of India's security. All they want to do is to secure a good place to retire in the West much like Paki Gernails.
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ernest wrote:... We have a big portion on bureaucracy and many agencies filling their pockets and doing their own bidding even if it is to the detriment of India's security. All they want to do is to secure a good place to retire in the West much like Paki Gernails.
Or more likely, want their offspring 'settled' over there.

The top echelons of the 'pillars' are severely compromised. Hence for every two steps forward we are forced a step backward.. or sidewards.

Critical need for the ruling party to stay in power, with certain tactical compromises at a local level till the threat falls in line or is neutralized.
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srin wrote:How did this guy rise up so high ?
Can’t get myself to see this guys utterances as BP goes out of control( after seeing his previous statements during his book release)

Could any kind soul point out what major things he says here in this video?
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Vips wrote:As I have pointed out earlier, the implosion of the Haryana Police along caste lines in 2016, the failure of intelligence services and police to contain violence after the arrest of Ram Rahim Singh; the near-collapse of the state across southern Kashmir in 2018: These are illustrations of what India might look like if policing and intelligence aren’t fixed.
Are caste divides quite common in the Police?

What happened in Haryana? any links?
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sum wrote:
srin wrote:How did this guy rise up so high ?
Can’t get myself to see this guys utterances as BP goes out of control( after seeing his previous statements during his book release)

Could any kind soul point out what major things he says here in this video?

I don’t watch this guy either.. i unfortunately read his Kashmir book which was useless .. all I learnt was that he was having kabab with vodka at some big shots house as Kashmiri pandora were driven out
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truth about dulla and thappar - from ex RAW - NK Sood -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyx0_JM7xSc
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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

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Something is at play here; we have never seen 3 Deaths in same state of Russian citizens - https://www.rediff.com/news/report/anot ... 230103.htm

its also reported one of them was critique of Russian Gov

IB has taken over the probe - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 610193.cms
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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

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nits wrote:Something is at play here; we have never seen 3 Deaths in same state of Russian citizens - https://www.rediff.com/news/report/anot ... 230103.htm

its also reported one of them was critique of Russian Gov

IB has taken over the probe - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 610193.cms

First guy died. He was a critic of the Russian govt.
The second guy committed suicide due to probably depression at his friends' death.
The third guy died on a ship.
Unless we find a link to the third guy and the first guy, its just coincidence.
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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

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Dullat joined Pappu's yatra. That says it all.
All these press interviews etc are to heap vague allegations on Doval, hence Modi and curry favour with Kangrezis. He merits no further discussion time.
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After so many Twitter Disclosures, it is clear that Twitter (and Google) were being used by US for regime change and spread misinformation among foreign countries. We need to promote Koo ... that means all the Govt. departments including PMO/Modi should communicate via Koo and we need to find alternate channels domestically. Zero thinking on this in our own IB/RAW or Govt
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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion - July 2018

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vijayk wrote:After so many Twitter Disclosures, it is clear that Twitter (and Google) were being used by US for regime change and spread misinformation among foreign countries... Zero thinking on this in our own IB/RAW or Govt
From recent disclosures by a Twitter whistleblower, it sounds like there was at least one Indian intelligence agent working in Twitter, whom they were kind of forced to hire by the Indian gov. Based on Mudge (the whistleblower's) disclosures, Twitter security was terrible and everyone had access to everything, so I'm pretty sure we got good data out of it.

Better to use it for our own ends rather than just boycott it.

One story here https://www.econotimes.com/Twitter-whis ... ll-1641356

Original whistleblower complaint (PDF) https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... disclosure
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