INS Arihant: News & Discussion

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 09 Nov 2018 11:02

Why's he burning?

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby hnair » 09 Nov 2018 12:04

Prasad wrote:Image


Ever since this came out, been wanting to post a pic of Russia's Podmoskovye (BS 64). Turns out I had posted before: an old post of mine


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The aft taper and hump of Arihant seem closest to this evolved Delta IV

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby disha » 09 Nov 2018 12:07

Lisa wrote:Mao's theory on atomic bomb: They can't kill us all

https://newspaperarchive.com/morgantown ... -1964-p-2/

"What if they killed 300 million of us? We would still have many people left." :shock:


Well Mao did manage to kill millions of Chinese! Point is everybaki can prattle around saying that
I will kill you all, and the last man surviving will be Dr. Strangelove


The only response to such bakis is a calm and quite response,
bliss try to do it


Note that chinese invaded India in 1962, had the bum by 1968 and still twiddled their fingers in 1971. Go figure.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 Nov 2018 12:10

this is a very unusual refit, because the regular deltaIV carry the sineva missile and have a very tall boxy hump. not a all streamlined like this vessel. looks it it does not cart missiles anymore, but may have sea facing chambers wet chambers for commando and snooping equiment / underwater robots.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 09 Nov 2018 12:12

Kashi wrote:Why's he burning?

I guess hatred for this govt. Manifesting as rafale and any issue

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 09 Nov 2018 12:18

But this specific burn that you tried to call out, was it about Arihant?

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby barath_s » 09 Nov 2018 14:11

ramana wrote:Bararth_s,

I did not know about the K4 hangfire in Dec 2017. Besides you posted after my post.


I vehmently object to your attributing motives to me..
I dint have to be selective of facts.

I suggest you apologize.
I dont take such things lightly.

Ramana


Ramana

I suggest you go back and re-read. There is always an or clause and it was not done with disrespect. And no, I am not going to apologize, just because you suggest I should and you do not take things lightly.

I've been around bharat rakshak for well over a decade, and have seen the quality drop and people leave/character of the board change, and have taken breaks away from it as well as a result. No sleep lost.

As moderator and as commenter, you can decide what kind of community you would like and what kind of example you would like to set.

If you did not know of the K4 hangfire (which is in basic locations like wiki), I would assume you knew of only the two test firings that you linked (eg not the 3rd back in 2014). And 2-3 are usually not enough for operationalization (though I understand one cannot assume that there weren't others or of obfuscation or of firings one had missed). Then you missed it and it was not done intentionally. No big deal. It's just a chat board.

heck, we cannot all of us always be expert in everything; god knows i have missed enough and made enough mistakes. But I do try and learn.

ramana wrote:
Besides you posted after my post.



And ? This is a non-sequitor.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby barath_s » 09 Nov 2018 14:42

Rakesh wrote:Saar, my bad. Justify is the wrong term. Perhaps obfuscation would be a better term. But the idea that water can enter through a open hatch - during a dive - makes no sense whatsoever. No alarm, no fail safe measure. That is highly improbable. The open hatch story is an excuse.


What would you make of SSN Guitarro ?

Water entered during trim/calibration and the boat sank (!) while at dock. The Arihant was in harbor and water only entered to the propulsion area as per the story. I doubt if you have fail safes or sensors everywhere ...

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby prasannasimha » 09 Nov 2018 15:29

For those who doubt wrt K4. Have a look at this carefully.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 Nov 2018 16:09

I get it....I can see a loading crane lifting a huge white+black missile into position for going in the tube.
the missile seems to be taper down in 3rd stage and then have a fatter white section like a PSLV payload fairing.

is this image on google earth?

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 Nov 2018 16:13

the zebra dazzler pattern on the telescopes is similar to the los angeles class subs operating in the artic and german u-boats off norway from past memories of comics

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby JTull » 09 Nov 2018 17:17

ArjunPandit wrote:^^meanwhile shooklaw is burning with anger on twitter. Does not respond to me when i call his lies out.

I unfollowed him a long time ago. That man is bitter like everyone with a sense of entitlement in Lutyens Delhi.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 Nov 2018 17:26

Tull sir I found your image on google earth. if you open below link from chrome browser, the white stick seems like a gangway only not the arm of a crane

https://earth.google.com/web/@17.709184 ... 7311t,360r

the white pipey thing seems like some electrical or AC system plugged into a rear hatch from outside. maybe it supplies hotel cooling and electric power to the sub dockside.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Suresh S » 09 Nov 2018 18:25

Ramana Empty vessels make a lot of noise. I do not know what this professor is trying to say. He says nothing but says it so well.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 09 Nov 2018 19:11

barath_s wrote:What would you make of SSN Guitarro ?

Water entered during trim/calibration and the boat sank (!) while at dock. The Arihant was in harbor and water only entered to the propulsion area as per the story. I doubt if you have fail safes or sensors everywhere ...

That is the official story ;)

For the sake of clarity, I post this for other readers....

INS Arihant left crippled after ‘accident’ 10 months ago
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 392049.ece

Arihant’s propulsion compartment was damaged after water entered it, according to details available with The Hindu. A naval source said water rushed in as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake while it was at harbour.

But then, you have this...

Deep diving into the facts about INS Arihant 'accident'
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 468708.cms

First, the news item stated that the Arihant’s propulsion compartment was damaged after water entered it, as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake. The submarine has no hatches there. The Arihant is based on Russian double hull design with a sealed nuclear reactor section. Except for the latest French nuclear submarines that have a hatch above the reactor for quicker refuelling, no other country with nuclear submarines have such a system. Although the Arihant’s core is not designed to operate for the submarine’s lifetime and will need refuelling, it does not have a hatch. To refuel, the hull will have to be cut open and welded back, as is the case for the Russian nuclear attack submarine, the Akula-II class that India has leased and operates as INS Chakra.


The story of a hatch being left open by mistake is a hoax. If security on the Arihant boat is this lax, next we will hear of a missle hatch on the Arihant left open by mistake :)

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby barath_s » 09 Nov 2018 19:32

Yeah, the 'Deep diving into the facts ' article was illogical.

No one said water got into the nuclear reactor compartment (strawman), there are missile hatches at the rear of the sub (have to be to launch missiles and load them). At least if you count aft of the sail as rear. (I would not call them at the front at any rate) That doesn't mean water from such a hatch is getting piped to a propulsion compartment, but it does speak to the article credibility or perhaps purpose.

The reactor vessel/core is part of the propulsion system, but there are other parts that do not need to be behind radiation shielding and aren't.

So you are left with a believe what you want to situation.

Wherein what you believe probably says more about you than about reality....

And that is before we start speculation on who wrote and published such an article, WHY, and what was the level of knowledge or otherwise
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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Nikhil_Naya » 09 Nov 2018 19:32

On this 'story' of the hatch being left open and the SS02 being Flooded, could this be a ruse for ensuring SS03 is able to move out for fitting (out of the covered space while SS04 hull is getting ready - to make it look like the SS03 is the SS02, while SS02 is merrily testing itself out in some waters. This also aids the SS02 which if in waters friendly or unfriendly, if visible/found for whatever reason is mistaken to be something else (as the signatures most probably wont be available).
This of course is just a speculation :)
And my first post from my new ID (forgot the old password and the old email no longer works :)

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby RKumar » 09 Nov 2018 19:56

Rakesh wrote:The story of a hatch being left open by mistake is a hoax. If security on the Arihant boat is this lax, next we will hear of a missle hatch on the Arihant left open by mistake :)


Minor adjustment and God forbid :
If security on the Arihant boat is this lax, next we will hear of a missle fired from a hatch on the Arihant left open by mistake :)

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby prasannasimha » 09 Nov 2018 20:11

The horizontal white structure is a gangway. You have to concentrate on the open hatch.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 09 Nov 2018 21:38

By the way, I messed up BIG TIME. I kept stating that the hatch was open during a dive. That is incorrect. My sincere apologies.

As per the news article, the hatch was open while at dock and water entered in. But still, I cannot buy that story :)

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 09 Nov 2018 21:53

barath_s wrote:Yeah, the 'Deep diving into the facts ' article was illogical.
......
And that is before we start speculation on who wrote and published such an article, WHY, and what was the level of knowledge or otherwise

Folks will write articles for a variety of "vested" reasons. I am sure you remember the lifafa/hit piece on the Tejas last year, which was soundly refuted on BRF. Now in the Rafale thread, Ajai Shukla is stating that the NDA paid 40% more than the UPA, on the Rafale deal. Despite having zero evidence to prove otherwise.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby prasannasimha » 09 Nov 2018 22:19

Thinking spy versus spy was this a signal to some people that the "hatch was opened" (K4 loaded or fired)
Probably a visit by RAW may be required or was done thereafter to the sources for this story. seeing its proximity to Doklam incident makes me wonder.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 09 Nov 2018 22:24

RKumar wrote:
Rakesh wrote:The story of a hatch being left open by mistake is a hoax. If security on the Arihant boat is this lax, next we will hear of a missle hatch on the Arihant left open by mistake :)


Minor adjustment and God forbid :
If security on the Arihant boat is this lax, next we will hear of a missle fired from a hatch on the Arihant left open by mistake :)

Non state actors of course

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby sivab » 09 Nov 2018 22:26

barath_s wrote:If you have actual updated information, do please link.


Sorry, not going to spoon feed you.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Indranil » 09 Nov 2018 23:02

I am amazed at the bickering here with so little information. Nobody in the open source knows the current state of K-4 testing/integration. Yet ...

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 09 Nov 2018 23:04

And there isn't a single clear picture of K-4 available

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 10 Nov 2018 04:55

Baarath_S
You are rude and disrespectful.
The forum does not need such people who attribute motives to admins.
I gave you an out but you persist.

I am banning you.
Bye.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Nov 2018 11:29

-Edited by Karan M

Arjun, your intervention was neither asked for nor warranted and is hence quite impolite.

If a moderator makes a decision, it has been done after due process. Please take this as a formal statement not to constantly second guess moderator decisions in the future.

Thanks,
Karan M
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Please dont edit a post after the mod has edited it and asked for the side track to end and no more OT posts. I repeat, constantly questioning mods decisions is neither asked for nor welcome as it vitiates forum discipline, even if that wasn't your intent. Please dont do so again. I understand and appreciate your point that you didn't mean to provoke any further trouble but let's stop this OT now.
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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby pkudva » 10 Nov 2018 23:19

ramana wrote:Baarath_S
You are rude and disrespectful.
The forum does not need such people who attribute motives to admins.
I gave you an out but you persist.

I am banning you.
Bye.


I have been following BR for more than a Decade( Approx 15+ Yrs )....I must say this is one of the best forums to be into and read.

The Rights and Views of the Moderator are to be respected.

Best Wishes,

Kudva

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 10 Nov 2018 23:41

Asking Ramana to "go easy on the banning" is disrespectful. I was going to interject to ask Barath S to not make unfounded allegations against a fellow member and moderator, merely because he perceived the person missed any point. He could have responded to Ramana's point with a polite reply stating he meant no offense. Instead he doubled down on the behavior. Many forums would have a warning for the first reply itself. IMHO, he got a lot of slack from ramana and disregarded it.

Please stick to the topic and get back on track, thank you.

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Re: INS Arihant: News & Discussion

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