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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 20 Feb 2019 16:41

Waiting for this baby to fly.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Kakarat » 20 Feb 2019 20:54

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098073151899140097
Here’s HAL’s ‘Jaguar MAX’ upgrade to open Darin-II airframes up to more weapon choices (including the ability to deploy 4 privately developed swarm drones — seen below the model in that photo), better network centric code and all-round performance fine-tunes. #Aeroindia2019


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Is this just a new name for Darin-III with additional features or a comprehensive rebuild?

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby csaurabh » 20 Feb 2019 20:59

arshyam wrote:
csaurabh wrote:Poor organization skills of babus on full display!
Company delegates, foreign officials, exhibitors and common people standing in front of gates, as no one being allowed in till 1pm

Saar, to be fair, the schedule is pretty clearly called out on the site:

https://aeroindia.gov.in/FAQs

Admission Hours

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                 20 February 2018   21 February 2018   22 February 2018   23 February 2018   24 February 2018
Exhibitors          8:00am - 5:00pm   8:00am - 5:00pm   8:00am - 5:00pm   8:00am - 5:00pm   8:00am - 5:00pm
Business Visitors   1:00pm – 5:00pm   9:00am – 5:00pm   9:00am – 5:00pm   –            –
General Visitors         -            -                   -                9:00am – 5:00pm   9:00am – 5:00pm


https://aeroindia.gov.in/site/PDF/agenda1.pdf
Day 1 : 20 Feb 2019 (Inaugural Day)
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1300 hrs Aero India 2019 Opens for Trade and Business Visits
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It was really not all that clear. Wasn't much problem for me, but there were a lot of people who had parking problems ( were not letting cars park ) and many exhibitors were delayed in setting up their stalls. One even complained to republic TV !

Anyway, it was a pretty great event otherwise. Took lots of pics, but I think they would be no good compared to the official ones.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby sudhan » 20 Feb 2019 21:14

Looks like a B52 from Guam did a fly past over Yelahanka

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Rahul M » 20 Feb 2019 21:20

Rakesh wrote:VIDEO

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098053903667609601 ---> LIVE FIRST LOOK: HAL’s new UCAV concept ‘Unmanned Wingman’ breaks cover — joint program with private startup.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098058521084612608

corrected.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Kakarat » 20 Feb 2019 21:36

which version is it on the right side corner, there are 2 AAMs on the fuselage

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby gaurav.p » 20 Feb 2019 22:43

French aerospace firm Safran to set up manufacturing facility in Telangana
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 738_1.html
French aerospace firm Safran to set up manufacturing facility in Telangana
plant will make parts for the LEAP turbofan engine from CFM International, which is a 50:50 joint venture between Safran and GE
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that the new investment was completely outside the defence offset opportunity
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plant will have about 50 employees by the end of the year to launch operations, and will eventually have a workforce of 300. When the plant hits cruise speed in 2023, it will be able to deliver 15,000 parts per year to support LEAP's sustained production, according to the company

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby NRao » 20 Feb 2019 23:07

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Reason: Already posted in the Military Flight Safety thread

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Indranil » 20 Feb 2019 23:07

Kakarat wrote:which version is it on the right side corner, there are 2 AAMs on the fuselage

Navy Mk2

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby sudeepj » 20 Feb 2019 23:12

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098122542529892352

10 minute talk about the LCA Mk2.. 6.5 tonne payload, 11 hardpoints!! This is a heavy hitter. Get this into service, pronto!

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2019 00:18

All discussions on the Surya Kiran crash must be only in the Military Flight Safety thread.

All discussions on the F-21 (aka F-16 Block 70) have been moved to the MMRCA thread.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Indranil » 21 Feb 2019 01:01

nam wrote:Waiting for this baby to fly.

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Did not expect this at AI'19. No better way to show status, but to show it fitted to a real test prototype! The Brahmos M is also a nice touch. But what is the status of Brahmos M?

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2019 01:25

The thing is LCA is getting very aggressive upgrades, which none of the jets in IAF even come close to.

Base platform-> refueling probe-> MK1A - MK2.

LCA will probably be flying with a AESA, even before IAF has decided on which AESA goes on SU30!

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2019 03:13

QRSAM?

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2019 03:17

nam wrote:Waiting for this baby to fly.

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Wait... it must have flown from HAL airport to Yelhanka!

I don't expect it to be ferried in C17 or road...

So technically it has flown , so certified for flight. :D

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby JTull » 21 Feb 2019 03:24

nam wrote:
nam wrote:Waiting for this baby to fly.



Wait... it must have flown from HAL airport to Yelhanka!

I don't expect it to be ferried in C17 or road...

So technically it has flown , so certified for flight. :D


Well caught!

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby SriKumar » 21 Feb 2019 06:41

Mitron.... WHat is this I see....a note about FOSee I mean FOC for LCA at AI.
I know there was another article (posted a month ago) about LCA getting FOC but this seems new and has more cred. What's going on?
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ba ... 323511.ece
Declaring the FOC, DRDO Chairman G Satheesh Reddy under whom ADA functions, described it thus: "This is the best ever moment for any aeronautical engineer, and a landmark day for scientists, industry and the air force."


Alright...just checked the Tejas thread...late to the party...but hey, this is still an AI-related news.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby csaurabh » 21 Feb 2019 08:05

More mess up at aero India gates, yay!

Drone Olympics organizers not being allowed inside to setup their stuff

Edit: well they did let us in eventually, just no reason for the holdup
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Re: Aero India 2019

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby tsarkar » 21 Feb 2019 09:09

JTull wrote:
nam wrote:Wait... it must have flown from HAL airport to Yelhanka! I don't expect it to be ferried in C17 or road...So technically it has flown , so certified for flight. :D
Well caught!

Mock up assembled in parts

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Kakarat » 21 Feb 2019 09:23

Its not a mock up but LSP-2, Its not necessary to have flown as in one of the previous Aeroindia they had brought the LSP1 by road as the display aircraft

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby hnair » 21 Feb 2019 12:41

nam wrote:Wait... it must have flown from HAL airport to Yelhanka!

I don't expect it to be ferried in C17 or road...

So technically it has flown , so certified for flight. :D


There are photos from past aeroIndias, where LCA was taken with wings detached by trucks.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2019 14:05

You guys broke my CT ! But I hope to see it flying in 2019.

On to the next CT. Our ARM seem to be exact copy of Astra... but very much bigger. Lets me think it has A2A capability. Not just hunting ground radars.

It may be a longer ranged Astra as well. All it needs is the seeker in the nose..

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby hnair » 21 Feb 2019 14:36

nam, what if its a2a target is AWACS. separate seeker, hain?

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby sudhan » 21 Feb 2019 14:48

nam wrote:You guys broke my CT ! But I hope to see it flying in 2019.

On to the next CT. Our ARM seem to be exact copy of Astra... but very much bigger. Lets me think it has A2A capability. Not just hunting ground radars.

It may be a longer ranged Astra as well. All it needs is the seeker in the nose..



I like your CT, as per your some open sources the NGARM has dual pulse motor.. Why do you need dual pulse motor unless you want to widen the envelop of engagement. Certainly not needed for ground targets, IMHO

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2019 14:50

hnair wrote:nam, what if its a2a target is AWACS. separate seeker, hain?


Dual seeker. Active & passive. Hunting Paf F16 and their propeller AWACS :D

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby arshyam » 21 Feb 2019 17:11

Kakarat wrote:Its not a mock up but LSP-2, Its not necessary to have flown as in one of the previous Aeroindia they had brought the LSP1 by road as the display aircraft

Yes, it's neither a mockup nor did it fly. It simply took a drive across town :)

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 21 Feb 2019 20:59

ARM has dual pulse motor. Perfect for A2A kill of Pak AWACS.

So Astra dual pulse might be around the corner or may be already there.

Astra range described at 100KM.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby JayS » 21 Feb 2019 21:25

nam wrote:ARM has dual pulse motor. Perfect for A2A kill of Pak AWACS.

So Astra dual pulse might be around the corner or may be already there.

Astra range described at 100KM.


And 100km is achieved range in real test some time ago. 120km exlected for Mk2.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Rishi_Tri » 21 Feb 2019 22:08

arshyam wrote:
Kakarat wrote:Its not a mock up but LSP-2, Its not necessary to have flown as in one of the previous Aeroindia they had brought the LSP1 by road as the display aircraft

Yes, it's neither a mockup nor did it fly. It simply took a drive across town :)


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Clicked as I was on my way out of Bengaluru, in front of AFS Yelahanka, just prior to AI 2015!

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby JTull » 22 Feb 2019 04:50

You can't beat confirmation by ground intel.


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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby arshyam » 22 Feb 2019 07:28

Thanks for the pic, Rishi_Tri-ji. It also confirmed another doubt for me: how did they transport the aircraft with those wide wings. The photo shows they have been detached.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby suryag » 22 Feb 2019 14:05

Wow!! Tejas family has now grown suddenly .... reminiscent of high TFR groups in eastern UP :) Anyways

Tejas MK1 - FOC - 40 in production - design concluded by ADA now in full production by HAL, better replacement for those russian rust buckets(which might have been biryani last week but is stale today)
Tejas MK1A - in HAL's hands - not sure ADA's contribution but they are talking about first flight 3years from T0(T0 being ministry approval for the financial quote), may be someone attending can ask what happened after two revisions ... this order is for HAL's to lose, there are two COTS equipment (over simplification alert) AESA, ELTA and AAR+real estate management/simplification for LRUs - most likely in good hands in HAL, as most of the items being handled are in the production domain and less on Applied research domain
Tejas AF MK2 a.k.a MWF - Wonderfully thought out new design which builds incrementally over all the learnings from MK1, already wind tunnel tested, DFM(although not an aero term) ready, jigs ordered, maturing at the right time to replace the M2K, Mig29s but considerable work. Hope ADA-HAL combo pull it off

Tejas Navy MK2 - quite a different bird when compared with its AF sibling. Instead of having two forward planes(canards) behind the pilot it is now tailwings ;) should have been a major impact on the Control laws. I know that the CLs have been built modular but this much amount of variance ... well they are confident and pulling it so am sure they would have thought through it...

The larger question for armchair folks like us is what do we name the new birds(given thats the best we can do) .... anushka(the bahubali one) for MK2-IAF ...

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Kakarat » 22 Feb 2019 14:17

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 0647566336

Listen to the #UTTAMAESA radar team.


From the interview the Tejas LSP-2 fitted with the Uttam radar will fly in about a month

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Haridas » 22 Feb 2019 14:39


May I ask who slew him?
Wrong title, very DDM. Can't tolerate asnine warped logic of ms.Meher, like non actor accident slew him.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 22 Feb 2019 15:04

The irony that LCA is expected to be flying with a Indian AESA radar in a month's time, while the preferred AESA 2052 will be flying in 2022!

It will be even more awkward if LRDE qualifies Uttam on LCA before MK1A first flight..

Someone needs to put this simple question to HAL.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nash » 22 Feb 2019 16:02

One general query about Aero India:

What are the things prohibited in this show, I got my General visitor ticket from BookMyShow and cameras are in prohibited.

But last time i went with the camera(a digi cam) and no issues.

is there any change of rule for general public.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby gaurav.p » 22 Feb 2019 16:30

Goldmine of videos from different companies at AeroIndia. Gen saab has also been present in many rajya sabha episodes of security scan
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7NQ7u ... _5A/videos

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 22 Feb 2019 19:19

One, shows the number of types we operate. Another one will come this year. We can probably have our version of Aero India, without any one participating.

Second, that smallest one in the row, which is hardly visible and it's 1.3 mtr longer cousin is intended to replace every thing else, other than the big daddy! Just for perspective..

Incredible how small LCA is even compared to Mig-21!
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