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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby sudeepj » 22 Feb 2019 22:57

Jingo wet dream came true.

https://twitter.com/China_SCS_info/stat ... 4499076096

Everything is working in a perfect timeline,” said Mishra. “The IAF has a contract with HAL to modify the fighters for BrahMos. The IAF will start delivering them this year and we will be delivering the missile, which the IAF can use whenever they want.”

Mishra also weighed in on another major initiative, a lighter but potent “NG” version of the BrahMos, which he said could be test-fired from the the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mark 1A within the next two years. The missile, he added, would be a real game-changer.

“It is going to be the future of our armed forces,” he said. “Though initially designed for the Navy, we are now developing an air-to-air version,” he added, crediting Defence Secretary Sanjay Mitra for the idea.

“Certain modification has been made to the LCA wing to carry the BrahMos, and some changes have been made to our missile too,” Mishra added, saying the BrahMos NG missile would have a range of at least 300 km.

He said the BrahMos NG would be used to hit slow-moving targets like a airborne warning and control systems (AWACS), transporters and refuellers. Mishra added that the BrahMos NG would be a great asset to submarines because it could even be fired from a torpedo tube.

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Re: Aero India 2019

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Postby hanumadu » 22 Feb 2019 23:23

Are the ALH blades and tail boom folded manually or mechanically? The tail boom looks heavy to fold it manually.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Sid » 22 Feb 2019 23:25

Austin wrote:Naval Dhruv Pictures

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3541798.html


Naval Dhruv is a beauty. I thought folding/unfolding was manual, but HAL really did some magic here by automating it. Indian Helicopter manufacturing has really really matured.

Fantastic achievement.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Kakarat » 22 Feb 2019 23:28

hanumadu wrote:Are the ALH blades and tail boom folded manually or mechanically? The tail boom looks heavy to fold it manually.

Its automatic see the video in the link
https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 9849719809

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby hanumadu » 22 Feb 2019 23:41

Kakarat wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Are the ALH blades and tail boom folded manually or mechanically? The tail boom looks heavy to fold it manually.

Its automatic see the video in the link
https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 9849719809


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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Zynda » 23 Feb 2019 00:46

Sid wrote:
Austin wrote:Naval Dhruv Pictures

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3541798.html


Naval Dhruv is a beauty. I thought folding/unfolding was manual, but HAL really did some magic here by automating it. Indian Helicopter manufacturing has really really matured.

Fantastic achievement.

The mechanism is automated using hydraulics. The design *works* but not tested in operating conditions...yet...per the HAL gent manning the stall. Still it is quite a feat by HAL RWRDC folks.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Zynda » 23 Feb 2019 01:01

We are experiencing peak summer like temperatures here in Bangalore. Spending just an hour in sun saps all the energy. I guess along with ageing, just did not have the energy to stand & question folks manning the stall unlike previous times. Surely many phoren visitors would have had fun with all the *extra* sun :) But it seemed like USAF PACAF band were having a nice time performing at AI...so did our IAF band as well. At one time both of them were collaborating & jamming together :)

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby chetak » 23 Feb 2019 02:59

Zynda wrote:
Sid wrote:
Naval Dhruv is a beauty. I thought folding/unfolding was manual, but HAL really did some magic here by automating it. Indian Helicopter manufacturing has really really matured.

Fantastic achievement.

The mechanism is automated using hydraulics. The design *works* but not tested in operating conditions...yet...per the HAL gent manning the stall. Still it is quite a feat by HAL RWRDC folks.


manual blade folding is always neater, cleaner and more reliable.

If the helo, despite being able to fold its blades, cannot do so because of some defect in the blade fold system, it cannot embark on board the ship due to regulations.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby titash » 23 Feb 2019 05:08

The video shows the tail boom folding to be automated hydraulically. What about the blades? They still are manually folded, no? One forward and 3 swept back. With this config, hopefully it can go onboard the OPVs at least if not the frigates.

Wonder if the Dhruv ASW versions will now be reactivated. We have desi radars, desi LFDS, desi LWTs...

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 05:11

Did any of you spend any time with the RCI, DRDL, DARE and LRDE guys? Very interested to know the latest about our desi INS, EW, seeker and radar programs.. more and more these will make their way onto our platforms and provide the edge against our much vaunted opponents.

Latest is that Litening new tranche has interface issues with our Mirage 2000 Upg.. so we'll likely have to run back to France and get some new Thales pods.. expect much the same on the Rafale. This sort of lock-in is par for the course in the mil-industry. Makes what we are doing domestically of crucial importance.. making our gear compatible across platforms, weapons etc.

Also heard DRDO has finally got clearance to work on their own advanced datalinks.. IMHO, using the Israeli H/W + desi S/W for the IAFs D/L program is just a temp measure at best we must and should move to our own standards across the field.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 06:11

Anantha Krishnan M is doing an amazing job at his twitter feed, taking 2 min videos of various firms and programs, including some rare birds like the RUAV from HAL. The energy of the youngsters is palpable as is their competence and optimism.
https://twitter.com/writetake

Rotary UAV
RUAV guys are doing everything inhouse except the INS for which they "may" have to go outside! My dream of orgs finally talking to each other and repurposing are finally coming true. HAL team went to NAL and picked up the engine for Nishant which is now suitable for their RUAV. Tonbo imaging is making custom EO/IR payloads and are even looking at LIDAR. 6 hr endurance, 200 km datalink limited range, 40 Kg payload out of an AUW of 200 kg, whats not to like? HAL-IIT tieup re-using the AFCS algos from ALH even! L-Band datalink which HAL is developing in parallel.

Up for proposal to HAL board soon and hope to get it cleared.

Now 2 mins is too less for us oldies, but still useful details in many talks.

E.g. Uttam team confirms they are looking to replace the MK1 MMRs in LCA with their radar and its ready quick enough (that's what they seem to imply), Mk1A will also have a desi option to supplant or complement the Israeli option.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 06:25

Brahmos NG - the head (Sudhir Mishra) notes Brahmos is looking towards doing all sorts of stuff for the program. Brahmos NG variants in all likelihood:
Variants can have range >> 300 km
Precision increase, submeter vs meters
Warheads - increase in destructive capability (2x)
Seeker less variants with multiple warheads (penetration + blast)
Airburst capability for use against mass targets (troops, aircraft) @ 40 mtrs

Pravin Pathak (program manager) sticks to conventional specs for NG and notes ready for tests by 2022 (3 years)
300km variant, 1.2-1.3T, 3.5Mach
5/ Su-30 MKI
2x/ MiG-29
2x/LCA MK2

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 06:40

Since y'all are slacking on your solemn duty to update this thread with information, and instead ogling at flying and ground based natashas while visiting AI, us poor plebes have to pick up the slack..

The MiG-27 Upg with Litening, due to retire in a few years but quite potent in its own way (Litening, semi-glass C/P, EL/L-8222/DARE jammer pod, Griffin capability)
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/109 ... 17/photo/1

SAAW visuals
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098990797528199168

Alpha's integration proposal for Mi-17 with Isreali gear
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/109 ... 77/photo/1

Israeli proposal for LCA - all variants, Skyshield jammer, Spice bomb variants
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/109 ... 96/photo/1

LCA Navy MK2 details (click on image)
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/109 ... 88/photo/1

Ghatak Imagery
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/109 ... 21/photo/1

VEMS doing a lot of stuff for DRDO, AMCA
"Confirmed. Private firm Vem Technologies is involved from the ground up in composites/fabrication for the fifth generation AMCA shape definition & prototype phase. #AeroIndia2019" Livefist

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz_ZA4oXQAEZ_ve.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz_ZA4oXQAAzlEn.jpg

NGARM - range indicates that it will handily outrange all of TSPs much vaunted PRC/Europe procured SAMs

Up close with India’s Next Generation Anti-Radiation Missile (NGARM). Handful of tests on Su-30MKI done, new tests shortly at maximum range over the Bay of Bengal — about 150 km.
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098829078994567168

First AMCA flight in 6 years, overall program 10 years, ready by around 2029-30
Interview with Pgm Director
Indian AESA, Much work done on stealth by young engineers, engine has to be proven one, Ge414 a contender
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/109 ... 85/photo/1

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 06:42

Significant update on RUSTOM-2 aka TAPAS
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2019/02 ... onths.html

With 53 flights across six airframes at a sprawling 2,600 acre aviation test facility in Chitradurga test facility about 200 km from Bengaluru, India’s high performance Rustom-2 drone, designed to remain in the air for up to 24 hours, will be officially handed over to the Indian Air Force, Navy and Army this October for a crucial six month user trial phase that will stretch till March 2020.


Specifically developed for medium altitude lone endurance (MALE) flight, the Predator-sized drone is being developed in two specific variants — a standard surveillance model sporting an electro-optical payload with synthetic aperture radar for the Army and IAF requirement, and a naval variant that comes fitted with a maritime patrol radar. Livefist can confirm that air force and army drone pilots are already at Chitradurga getting a feel of the Rustom-2 before user trials kick in later this year.


The Rustom-2 will mirror the Heron’s capabilities in many ways — while Indian sensor systems are under trial, the test airframes of the Rustom-2 all use Israeli electro-optical systems for the development phase. These will be progressively replaced with Indian systems when ready.


The Rustom-2 is currently capable of operations up to 300 km away from its control center with UHF and C-band links, and much longer away with SATCOM, still under test. Data links have proven — and will prove — to be the greatest challenge facing the Rustom-2 program in the journey to opening up its full stated potential. The user trials will involve rigorous testing of the drone’s long range autonomous flight over land and sea. Livefist can confirm that the drone has so far had flights with a maximum endurance of 16 hours, though this was only owing to test requirements — the 24 hours endurance parameter is a given.


An Indian Air Force officer familiar with developments on the program said, “This is a long term program of high importance. The crucial aspect is that it is a low cost and low maintenance product with an impressive range of demonstrable features. We have been impressed with it so far and are looking forward to seeing what else it can do. I am quite certain it can be an armed platform later on. The game changer will be the SATCOM link that is proposed.”


He's saying SATCOM because it means NLOS control and data reception.

Read the link for an update on GHATAK UCAV as well.

And BRF usuals were wailing about complete no progress in UAVs and collective despair was the norm. Jeez, relax guys.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 06:55

So you handful of congenital whiners (you know who you are :-o ), who appear like clockwork every 2x months and complain complain complain about Rustom-2, Nirbhay and ADE, stop complaining now for at least 6x months.

Meanwhile, if you must complain over something head over to twitter and "debate" with our airhead celebs over the right way to get peace in the subcontinent etc etc. :roll:

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Zynda » 23 Feb 2019 11:23

It seems like Astronaut Sunitha Williams is getting a joy ride in Tejas this morning. Any one knows why? How many of our celebrities get joy rides in USAF/phoren air forces jets? Disagree giving joy rides to celebrities, even Indian ones, but I sorta can be OK with it.

I am totally OK with giving joy rides to foreign military high ranking personnels as there might be some small tangible value coming out of it.

I would say that someone like IR, Vivek, Karthik, KaranM or JayS (& a few others whom I may have omitted) deserves a ride in Tejas (fitness permitting onlee...:)) for their unflinching belief & support of the program when naysayers were having a field day until a year ago or so.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby manjgu » 23 Feb 2019 11:40

is SAAW in active service?? Garruda, Guruthama??

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby gaurav.p » 23 Feb 2019 11:57

Zynda wrote:It seems like Astronaut Sunitha Williams is getting a joy ride in Tejas this morning. Any one knows why? How many of our celebrities get joy rides in USAF/phoren air forces jets? Disagree giving joy rides to celebrities, even Indian ones, but I sorta can be OK with it.

I am totally OK with giving joy rides to foreign military high ranking personnels as there might be some small tangible value coming out of it.


As tarmak says, it is a plane carnival. The theme of the day is to encourage women participation in aerospace. Celebrating it with the desi bird is understandable. Rafale at AI is also giving joyrides to AF top echelon.

I find it more convoluted to put an infrantry soldier/ babu / CMD of the company (just before retirement) to have a feel of tejas. Also approval of phorren military ppl unless they are buying it isn't a valid reason for the joy ride (pointing massa out here).

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 12:11

manjgu wrote:is SAAW in active service?? Garruda, Guruthama??


Verge of user trials per reports. Looks like developmental trials are more or less done.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... eapon.html

Successful Flight Tests of Smart Anti Airfield Weapon
(Source: Indian Ministry of Defence; issued Aug 19, 2018)
Indigenously designed and developed guided bombs Smart Anti Airfield Weapon (SAAW) were successfully flight tested from IAF aircraft at Chandan range. The weapon system was integrated with live warhead and has destroyed the targets with high precision. The telemetry and tracking systems captured all the mission events.

This weapon is capable of destroying variety of ground targets using precision navigation.

A total of three tests with different release conditions were conducted during 16 to 18 August 2018 and all the mission objectives have been achieved.

The weapon has undergone eight developmental trials till date and performance of system for different ranges under multiple launch conditions has been demonstrated. Senior officials from DRDO, HAL and Indian Air Force participated and witnessed the flight tests.


Garuda (30 km w/o wing) and Garuthma (100km w/wing) are still in the process of tests and further finetuning.

http://www.uniindia.com/drdo-indigenously-develops-glide-bombs-for-bigger-ranges/states/news/1374340.html

India has moved closer to self-dependence in precision-guided ‘smart glide bombs’ as it conducted covert trials of these bombs successfully at Pokharan firing range in Jaisalmer on August 17 last month (Friday).

Christened as ‘Garuthmaa’ and ‘Garudaa’ , the ‘glide bombs’ are being indigenously developed by the Defence Research and Develoopment Organisation (DRDO) .

Of these two drop trails, the test of Garudaa, the non-winged glide-bomb, was carried out to evaluate its precision for a range of 30 kilometres on Thursday while in another set of drop trails on Friday, both Garudaa and ‘Garuthmaa’ were successfully tested from a Su-30 MKI aircraft, a DRDO official said in a newsletter released recently by the Aeronautical Society of India (AESI, Hyderabad branch) at a meeting here.

Garuthmaa, the 1,000 kg winged smart glide bomb, was tested for its maximum 100-km range , Top DRDO officials termed the tests as a ‘major success’.

Sources in DRDO said that guided by on-board navigation systems, Garuthmaa was tested for its first phase of trials in Thar Desert for assessing its occuracy in hitting a target after gliding for 100 kilometres.


Basically Garuthmaa will be improved further and Garuda's range extended as well. So they are still further away.

Its not necessary though that separate user trials must and should be held. Astra has completed developmental trials and user (IAF) was involved in several sets of trials.
https://www.airforce-technology.com/new ... a-bvr-aam/
Previously:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYPjKXGW0AAvfoA.jpg
Reports now indicate IAF may just go ahead and order without separate time consuming user trials. Lets see.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 12:19

gaurav.p wrote:I find it more convoluted to put an infrantry soldier/ babu / CMD of the company (just before retirement) to have a feel of tejas. Also approval of phorren military ppl unless they are buying it isn't a valid reason for the joy ride (pointing massa out here).


Gaurav, Gen Rawat may be an infantry soldier, as you put it but he is ALSO the COAS of the Indian Army, a very powerful service . For him to take a flight in the Tejas and praise it (as he did) is a very big deal, both for the program and its supporters. The positive buzz it will create for Tejas and Indian defence products in the services!

Similarly, though not equivalent, the "babu" is the Principal Scientific Adviser to Government of India, Prof K Vijay Raghavan, . He heads the PM-STIAC.

The Prime Minister's Science, Technology and Innovation Advisory Council (PM-STIAC) is an overarching Council that facilitates the PSA’s Office to assess the status in specific science and technology domains, comprehend challenges in hand, formulate specific interventions, develop a futuristic roadmap and advise the Prime Minister accordingly. PSA’s Office also oversees the implementation of such interventions by concerned S&T Departments and Agencies and other government Ministries.


This is not just a figure-head appointment but has the potential to make decisive interventions in associated areas which can benefit the TEJAS and other DRDO programs.

It is imperative, IMHO, that more than celebrities, the TEJAS program give AS MANY FLIGHTS AS POSSIBLE to SENIOR ARMED FORCES and SCIENTIFIC/BUREAUCRATIC DECISION MAKERS and even POLITICOS.

These are the people who can DECISIVELY support the program!

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby gaurav.p » 23 Feb 2019 12:45

^^ True, it is highly relative to decide who get to fly in it while many more deserving ppl don't get the chance. All I am saying is that it shows some nepotism when such events happen as there is no fixed criteria. Anyways I don't find a big issue if any number of fanboys of tejas increase. It's a good thing.

Women rolemodels/ celebrities getting it also will inspire many more children into aerospace which just like engineering is highly gender skewed.


It is imperative, IMHO, that more than celebrities, the TEJAS program give AS MANY FLIGHTS AS POSSIBLE to SENIOR ARMED FORCES and SCIENTIFIC/BUREAUCRATIC DECISION MAKERS and even POLITICOS.

These are the people who can DECISIVELY support the program!


Agreed. Putting this to rest. And let the joyrides continue.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Zynda » 23 Feb 2019 12:50

Karan M wrote:
gaurav.p wrote:I find it more convoluted to put an infrantry soldier/ babu / CMD of the company (just before retirement) to have a feel of tejas. Also approval of phorren military ppl unless they are buying it isn't a valid reason for the joy ride (pointing massa out here).


Gaurav, Gen Rawat may be an infantry soldier, as you put it but he is ALSO the COAS of the Indian Army, a very powerful service . For him to take a flight in the Tejas and praise it (as he did) is a very big deal, both for the program and its supporters. The positive buzz it will create for Tejas and Indian defence products in the services!

Similarly, though not equivalent, the "babu" is the Principal Scientific Adviser to Government of India, Prof K Vijay Raghavan, . He heads the PM-STIAC.

The Prime Minister's Science, Technology and Innovation Advisory Council (PM-STIAC) is an overarching Council that facilitates the PSA’s Office to assess the status in specific science and technology domains, comprehend challenges in hand, formulate specific interventions, develop a futuristic roadmap and advise the Prime Minister accordingly. PSA’s Office also oversees the implementation of such interventions by concerned S&T Departments and Agencies and other government Ministries.


This is not just a figure-head appointment but has the potential to make decisive interventions in associated areas which can benefit the TEJAS and other DRDO programs.

It is imperative, IMHO, that more than celebrities, the TEJAS program give AS MANY FLIGHTS AS POSSIBLE to SENIOR ARMED FORCES and SCIENTIFIC/BUREAUCRATIC DECISION MAKERS and even POLITICOS.

These are the people who can DECISIVELY support the program!

^+100.
As tarmak says, it is a plane carnival. The theme of the day is to encourage women participation in aerospace. Celebrating it with the desi bird is understandable. Rafale at AI is also giving joyrides to AF top echelon.

Went to ADVA yesterday and was filled with school kids...many of them girls. Many of them had smile ear-ear & were wowed by displays. Some of them were curious to find out how such complex manoeuvres were possible & why some wings were shaped like Delta. Just the sight & sound of jets flying will fill them the adrenaline rush...of course question is if the enthusiasm carries on with them to pursue it in to a career.

It seems like GoI/IAF/Ministry of Science/Ministry of Education thinks that our girls will look up to phoren women like Sunitha Williams and get inspired. Surely we can't find a distinguished female pilot/engineer within our country!

Anyways, let the joy rides continues. More power to Tejas to inspire women :)

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby arshyam » 23 Feb 2019 12:54

Zynda wrote:It seems like GoI/IAF/Ministry of Science/Ministry of Education thinks that our girls will look up to phoren women like Sunitha Williams and get inspired. Surely we can't find a distinguished female pilot/engineer within our country!

So they'll get inspired and go to amreeka :lol:

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby arshyam » 23 Feb 2019 13:02

Want to inspire Indians to take part in India's development? Get Indian role models. There is no dearth of women pilots in the Air Force, why not get a few of them to mingle with school kids? There may not be many fighter pilots (yet), but mil heptr/transport flying isn't exactly a walk in the park either. Same goes for the technical branch - no plane is going to fly without them. Better than having Sunita Williams or even PV Sindhu take joyrides - they don't add any value to anything, except a photo op.

The weekend days should at least be reserved for such outreach, methinks.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Rishi_Tri » 23 Feb 2019 13:36

Fire at Aero India parking lot.

https://twitter.com/KarFireDept/status/ ... 7500469248

Vehicles got fire at parking area of #AiroIndia show at Yalahanka. Fire fighters On the spot.@DGP_FIRE @SunilagarwalI @KarnatakaVarthe

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby jaysimha » 23 Feb 2019 14:04

jaysimha wrote:https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/video/Aero-India.mp4
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Jaysimha. Please don't make such comments.


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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Zynda » 23 Feb 2019 14:06

arshyam wrote:Want to inspire Indians to take part in India's development? Get Indian role models. There is no dearth of women pilots in the Air Force, why not get a few of them to mingle with school kids? There may not be many fighter pilots (yet), but mil heptr/transport flying isn't exactly a walk in the park either. Same goes for the technical branch - no plane is going to fly without them.

Women's Day, being observed on Saturday at the expo, will showcase women's achievements in the aerospace sector and all-female crews will fly a few aircraft as part of the air display.

Three women IAF fighter pilots are also expected to fly the Hawk-I advanced jet trainer of BAE Systems plc and an upgraded version of the Russian-made MiG-21.

Women achievers in the sector will be felicitated on the occasion and a book and film on 'Women in Aviation' will be released.

Source: NDTV

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby durairaaj » 23 Feb 2019 14:31

what's all about fire accident in aero india? Read some thing about it in local news.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 14:35

gaurav.p wrote:All I am saying is that it shows some nepotism when such events happen as there is no fixed criteria.


Again, putting GOI decision makers into the co-pilots seat is not nepotism. These are a) people who decide on the viability of the project and hence act like the eyes and ears of the public (i.e. us, on whether the product actually works!) and can act like a check and balance against vested interests who run down indigenous efforts and b) are the end users of the product or affected by it (the COAS needs to understand the technological level Indian industry is at, and also the warfighting capability of the Indian AF which is buying the jet.

Nepotism would be the pilot pulling in his relations, his neighbor etc for the flight. Here, the program managers are showcasing the aircraft to key decision makers amongst the services and scientific establishment(i.e. beyond the DRDO, HAL, BEL etc).

Tomorrow, if DRDO makes a case for a new MBT, an Army guy who knows it can make the LCA, and has a positive view of it will be far more amenable to consider the proposal. Similarly, if DRDO, HAL ask for a S&T effort to develop some alloy with aerospace applications, the PSA may be supportive, knowing exactly why that alloy needs to be funded as national mission.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby nam » 23 Feb 2019 15:00

It is important for our services to believe that Indians can deliver solutions. Which is why LCA FOC is such an important event. So is Astra, when BVR have been tom tommed as tech beyond dark people's grasp.

Remember Cope India 05 "India only beat US because India did not have AESA and did not want F15 to use their.. looser". Now all our major radars are home grown AESA!

So far the friction was due to the learning curve.

We have now jumped that hump. Need to show what we can do.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby arshyam » 23 Feb 2019 15:15

Zynda wrote:
arshyam wrote:Want to inspire Indians to take part in India's development? Get Indian role models. There is no dearth of women pilots in the Air Force, why not get a few of them to mingle with school kids? There may not be many fighter pilots (yet), but mil heptr/transport flying isn't exactly a walk in the park either. Same goes for the technical branch - no plane is going to fly without them.

Women's Day, being observed on Saturday at the expo, will showcase women's achievements in the aerospace sector and all-female crews will fly a few aircraft as part of the air display.

Three women IAF fighter pilots are also expected to fly the Hawk-I advanced jet trainer of BAE Systems plc and an upgraded version of the Russian-made MiG-21.

Women achievers in the sector will be felicitated on the occasion and a book and film on 'Women in Aviation' will be released.

Source: NDTV

Excellent, good to know!

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby arshyam » 23 Feb 2019 15:16

Hope any BRFites at Aero India today is safe. Just saw the news about the parking lot fire.

Did this happen in the ADVA area or the main parking lot?

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Philip » 23 Feb 2019 15:51

Effing bl** dy wankers, organisers!

The car park for biz vizitors is in the opposite side in an open field in dense dried grass.A shuttle takes you to the underpass.In prev. shows it took you inside the base.Now you walk about 2km in the scorching sun to get to the hangars/ displays.The DM should undergo what visitors go through. The staff manning the car park ar rude and officious and my fauji pal had an argument with a joker in uniform. This show has been an unmitigated disaster from the SK collision and tragic loss of the life of a pilot, reduced firang presence due to the uncertainty over the venue and now this. I saw no fire engines at all which could've speedily reached the scene, perhaps there were some in the base on the parking side, but the dried grass was an sccident waiting to happen with dozens of bored drivers sheltering in a tent waiting for their passengers.

I vowed never to attend another show as it simply gets worse every year and you get less and less time to see the works.In shows gone by I spent at least two days.

PS: There was one huge improvement. The Marriott restaurant v.elegantly done and a buffet groaning with dishes to satisfy the hungry lunchgoer.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby gaurav.p » 23 Feb 2019 16:03

Wrote an elaborate reply, but the page got refreshed due to some keypress!

Briefly,
- the riders in such planes isn't done by set criteria. It is done be pulling strings. The riders have no other option but to appreciate the indigenous efforts + they don't have any domain expertise like IAF folks
- the duty of bureaucracy is to support indigenous efforts and improve their productivity. The joyride isn't a precedent to better tender their duties.
- the cross pollination will only happen if the folks stay on with industry post retirement. (the silos exists, just as IR saar pointed out yesterday)

At the end of the day, it is being done for the optics of tejas. It is a celebration of tejas and finding significance in such instances is futile.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 16:37

GauravP,

I think you are being obtuse to the point of..well, I dunno.

The riders have no other option but to appreciate the indigenous efforts + they don't have any domain expertise like IAF folks


So what? They can first hand experience the aircraft and learn about it.

- the duty of bureaucracy is to support indigenous efforts and improve their productivity. The joyride isn't a precedent to better tender their duties.


Bureaucrats of course being faceless robots who dont/cant/wont be swayed by considerations such as actually experiencing the system they have to fund or support! Seriously??

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the cross pollination will only happen if the folks stay on with industry post retirement.


hardly! Even retired individuals have significant sway via the media! Ratan Tata spoke up at a critical time and supported the LCA. Do you think a COAS speaking up, even post retirement is a small thing?

At the end of the day, it is being done for the optics of tejas. It is a celebration of tejas and finding significance in such instances is futile.


This is a case of being deliberately obtuse! Improving the optics of Tejas in the eyes of decision makers has significant value!! The program managers would have been delighted to have the COAS fly with them.

Anyways at this point, it's rather clear you are arguing for the sake of argument and anyone even remotely associated with product development, sales or marketing would not remotely agree with your statements, given how they fall over themselves to get important decision makers to experience and visit their facilities, utilize their products etc. Heck, there is an entire line of funding set aside for such efforts in many places.

So enough please, and let's stop this OT.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 17:00

SAAW SOON: HAL’s Souped-Up Hawk Trainer All Set To Fire Indian Anti-Airfield Weapon
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2019/02 ... eapon.html

In April over the Bay of Bengal, a stubby orange box-shaped weapon will separate from an aircraft flying at 20,000 feet, flip open a pair of angular wings from its sides, and glide over the sea towards a pre-designated spot 80 km away at sea. The weapon, called SAAW — short for Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon — is an in-the-works Indian munition designed to destroy runways at stand-off distances. The aircraft dropping the weapon will be a Hawk-i, on its first ever weapons run. The weapon will by guided to its target by an Israeli Litening laser designator pod on the aircraft.

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 17:03

Small companies like Zeus Numerix at cutting edge of Make in India
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/02 ... ix-at.html

In 2005, Zeus Numerix moved out of a small room in the aerospace department of Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Bombay and started competing for design projects. Since then, they have logged success in projects like integrating the BrahMos missile on the Sukhoi-30MKI fighter (specifically the separation of the missile from the fighter), detecting and deceiving laser guided bombs and designing a ramjet engine for South Korea for missile applications.

Former HAL chairman, RK Tyagi, says that Russia asked for Rs 1,300 crore to integrate the BrahMos missile onto the Sukhoi-30MKI, but Indian firms like Zeus managed to do this for just Rs 80 crore.

Signalling Zeus’ credentials in genuine research and development (R&D), in 2004 it became the first and only Indian company to develop software in the complex field of computational fluid dynamics, especially its most cutting edge application in hypersonic missiles.

In 2007, they developed India’s first and only prediction software for stealth, which makes an aircraft or warship near-invisible to enemy radar. Their code for stealth is being used in the most advanced Make in India projects – such as the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft and in fine-tuning missile seekers to home onto their targets more effectively.

Partnering Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) in designing an inshore patrol vessel, Zeus reduced its stealth signature by 70 per cent.


In 2009, they won their first design and development order, for a testing facility for the DRDO, which incorporates a rocket sled that moves at a velocity of 1,800 kilometres per hour – the only such facility in Asia.


By 2010, top scientists in DRDO, BrahMos and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) saw the potential of Zeus’ young team and began mentoring them in developing advanced technologies that fed into projects like the integration of the BrahMos missile onto the Sukhoi-30MKI. To work in this field requires the highest levels of aerospace certification and this was accorded to Zeus by the DRDO’s certification agency, Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC).

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 17:05

Unsung heroes behind India's MIC

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Re: Aero India 2019

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 17:07

Via Livefist, DRDO Brochure of LCA Navy Mk2, a looker, and desi-brains not a ripoff of some foreign maal!

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