Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 01 May 2019 23:42

Karan M wrote:Very very interesting find HNair re: Spice 250. The Indiam Express article posted by Ramana, article definitely implies it has an optical seeker and it has had 17 successful trials. :eek: we have had 8 publicly reported ones.

Also, SPICE250 lineage, chances are it could be inspiration, PRC style (take what works). Or, this thing which always intrigued me.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2008/09 ... -drdo.html



The advantages of electro-optical seeker became very evident with SPICE 2K acquisition by India.

SAAW is for runway disablement in heavy air defence airbases.
Thats why in two flavors of Penetration and Penetration cum Blast warheads.

The other use that is being realized is to hit PA bunkers as 3 m accuracy with the PCB will destroy them.
Otherwise need direct fire from six 155mm rounds with time delay fuzes.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 00:03

John wrote:Without real time data from Satellite or AEW a sub sonic Ashm will have very high miss probability against naval targets from ranges >200 km. It is simply too risky to send AEW platform and have it loiter around a PLAN fleet.

Keep in mind Brahmos actually uses its high altitude to acquire targets prior to entering terminal phase this allows it to compensate for targets that have moved or retarget against any new high priority targets that entered vicinity.


Brahmos has to do that. It doesn't carry any datalink and is completely autonomous, driven by mission programming, speed to get to location fast w/INS/Glonaass guidance & then the seeker search & final attack maneuver.

Why would an AEW platform be at risk from a flotilla without organic air. Have it sit 150km away, far out of SAM range.

With Nirbhay, you can use the extra range to loiter or fly lo-lo-lo for targets which are closer. Have a datalink give it target info. without having it zoom up.

The extra range makes it far more tactically useful basically. One day, as and when we get a sat based surveillance system up, it will be even more useful.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 00:12

ramana wrote:SAAW is for runway disablement in heavy air defence airbases.
Thats why in two flavors of Penetration and Penetration cum Blast warheads.


It will be for all airfield infrastructure. Bunkers, storage, runways etc with Penetration cum Blast. And aircraft etc with Blast.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Arti ... 2017003011

The second test was conducted from a Su-30MKI fighter in December last year. SAAW has been described as a 120 kg smart weapon, which is capable of engaging targets with high precision up to a range of 100 km. The long-range will allow the IAF to easily hit targets across the border without putting the pilot and aircraft at risk. It can be integrated into the varied types of fighter jets with the IAF. The weapon can be used to destroy bunkers, runways, aircraft hangers and other reinforced structures.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 02 May 2019 01:33

KaranM, Can any IAF/IA helicopter carry the SAAW?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Indranil » 02 May 2019 01:42

It doesn't make sense to equip helis with the SAAW. But MLPGM and SANT have been tested with the Mi-35.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Anujan » 02 May 2019 01:45

Nirbhay needs to have a seeker for anti shipping. From reports it's 0.6 Mach. Assuming it's fired at a distance of 600km, it will take 50 mins to reach the target. If a ship is moving at 20knots, it would have moved 30km in the meanwhile!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Indranil » 02 May 2019 01:55

Of course. And, it will. A few corrections, top speed is 0.8 Mach with a Manik class engine and range is higher. But all-in-all, the flight time is often more than 1 hour. In the second test it flew for 1 hour and 7 minutes (or something like that)

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 01:56

ramana wrote:KaranM, Can any IAF/IA helicopter carry the SAAW?


They can but not on their integration plan. So far, HELINA /Dhruvastra and SANT alone. Also unguided rockets, MLPGM has been fired from UAVs so available for helicopters as well.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 01:58

Anujan wrote:Nirbhay needs to have a seeker for anti shipping. From reports it's 0.6 Mach. Assuming it's fired at a distance of 600km, it will take 50 mins to reach the target. If a ship is moving at 20knots, it would have moved 30km in the meanwhile!


Seeker is on test plan. Also:
http://www.pib.nic.in/PressReleseDetail ... ID=1525953

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 02 May 2019 02:06

Karan M wrote:
John wrote:Without real time data from Satellite or AEW a sub sonic Ashm will have very high miss probability against naval targets from ranges >200 km. It is simply too risky to send AEW platform and have it loiter around a PLAN fleet.

Keep in mind Brahmos actually uses its high altitude to acquire targets prior to entering terminal phase this allows it to compensate for targets that have moved or retarget against any new high priority targets that entered vicinity.


Brahmos has to do that. It doesn't carry any datalink and is completely autonomous, driven by mission programming, speed to get to location fast w/INS/Glonaass guidance & then the seeker search & final attack maneuver.

Why would an AEW platform be at risk from a flotilla without organic air. Have it sit 150km away, far out of SAM range.

With Nirbhay, you can use the extra range to loiter or fly lo-lo-lo for targets which are closer. Have a datalink give it target info. without having it zoom up.

The extra range makes it far more tactically useful basically. One day, as and when we get a sat based surveillance system up, it will be even more useful.


Brahmos does have datalink capability both with launch platform (Satellite has been mentioned as well) as well able to provide target information to each other (NPO talks about how this feature was carried over from Shipwreck missile).

Unless you a carrier or operating close to land, you are not going to be provide continuous air support to AEW operating against PLAN assets far out in Indian Ocean and even with air support it would rather hard to defend against a Flanker on a suicide run against AEW platform.

Biggest problem with Nirbhay is the fact the missile is subsonic and even performing some of high G manveurs like Harpoon missile will greatly reduce its range. If you using subsonic Nirbhay without any terminal maneuvering it is going get shot down very easily. I cannot comment on PLAN anti missile capabilities but single module of Barak-1 or Rim-116 has demonstrated the ability to take down half dozen subsonic targets with high probability. Not even going to get SAMs like Aster or Barak-8 which are in whole another league.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby kurup » 02 May 2019 17:27

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:Is there an air-launched version of Nirbhay?

If not, why not?


Air Launched variant is already in developement ,

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 18:11

John wrote:Brahmos does have datalink capability both with launch platform (Satellite has been mentioned as well) as well able to provide target information to each other (NPO talks about how this feature was carried over from Shipwreck missile).


It doesn't. It was all a myth that was in Shipwreck missile would be in Brahmos. There is no datalink. Its purely fire and forget. No satnav either.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GX616Y7jpKI/U ... ysterm.jpg

See where the information is fed. Its to the launcher from the C3I node. Not the missile itself.

Unless you a carrier or operating close to land, you are not going to be provide continuous air support to AEW operating against PLAN assets far out in Indian Ocean and even with air support it would rather hard to defend against a Flanker on a suicide run against AEW platform.


Again, how many CVVs do the PLAN or PN operate?

Biggest problem with Nirbhay is the fact the missile is subsonic and even performing some of high G manveurs like Harpoon missile will greatly reduce its range. If you using subsonic Nirbhay without any terminal maneuvering it is going get shot down very easily. I cannot comment on PLAN anti missile capabilities but single module of Barak-1 or Rim-116 has demonstrated the ability to take down half dozen subsonic targets with high probability. Not even going to get SAMs like Aster or Barak-8 which are in whole another league.


Let me make it as straightforward as possible. A 450km M3 missile performing maneuvers vs 1000km subsonic missile performing maneuvers, which retains more range? The Brahmos range in a lo-lo-lo profile dropped to <150km vs its original 290km if I remember it correctly.

Also, how easy is it for PLAN radars & CIWS to detect a Nirbay at 5m ASL, let alone target it. Because that's what was demonstrated in the recent test.
Given PRCs huge issues with detecting targets against clutter, I wouldn't be surprised if the system had to revert to manual fire control or optically driven capability, with corresponding drop in efficacy.

The extra range also means it can retain a lo-lo-lo profile throughout (~500km, say using the Brahmos measure, though it will likely be more) and if it doesn't climb for a target fix, it will be located only once it crosses the radar horizon. Even assuming the radar is at 18m (very generous overestimate, given draught is 6m, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052C_destroyer), the radar horizon for a Nirbhay is at 26 Km, when its flying at 5m ASL.

So time available for defenders is also less. A Nirbhay flying at 650 kmph will cover 26 km in around 0.04th of an hr, i.e. 2.4 minutes. That's 2.4 minutes for the Chinese CIWS to pick up a Nirbhay against sea clutter and shoot it down. Not likely to be easy by any means, especially, if the Nirbhay performs a S-maneuver when coming in and makes the targeting even harder.
Now add 2-3 Nirbhays and the situation gets even worse.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 02 May 2019 18:25

ANd if its a CVN Nirbhay+ Brahmos combo while other Nirbhay's brahmos go after the CBG.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 02 May 2019 18:53

Karan M,

I will reply to you in more detail tomorrow for now I leave with this; we really have no indication the Nirbhay has any sea skimming capability we are taking about missile which flies couple hundred feet above ground and using it as anti shipping missile.

Sea skimming is not straight forward and requires extensive testing same goes for performing high G maneuvers. There is no indication the current design has such capability or how much effort it requires to test it even if it does, we are getting into hypothetical territory here.

IMO there is need for sub sonic Ashm but it should be low rcs missile that can be launched from standard torpedo tubes.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 02 May 2019 19:21

kurup wrote:
Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:Is there an air-launched version of Nirbhay?

If not, why not?


Air Launched variant is already in developement ,

Image


Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 02 May 2019 19:29

Also to remind ourselves one of the Nirbhay tests failed as the guidance could not keep up with the sharp turns.

I only hope that Nirbhay deployment doesn't get delayed due to this anti-shipping seeker. Trishul hit a snag with the sea skimming role required of it.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Ashokk » 02 May 2019 19:42

John wrote:we really have no indication the Nirbhay has any sea skimming capability

Please watch the interview with the Nirbhay scientists by Anantha Krishna M

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Nalla Baalu » 02 May 2019 20:00

Ashokk wrote:
John wrote:we really have no indication the Nirbhay has any sea skimming capability

Please watch the interview with the Nirbhay scientists by Anantha Krishna M


Low altitude (multiple media reports with 5m references) and shore-hugging (stay below shore based radar envelopes) capabilities were specifically called out by the good developers at ADE in Tarmak007 interview, as features that were validated during the recent 6th test flight.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Neela » 02 May 2019 20:11

For Sea-skimming :
- Radio Altimeter
- Sea state awareness
- Closed loop guidance interacting with control surfaces

all for arriving at safe altitude vs stealth tradeoff .

?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 20:21

John,

You just gave Lalmohan an additional data point for his comment that 80 percent of BRFites dont read BRF, though the responses after yours give me hope. :mrgreen:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english.ma ... y.amp.html

Read the whole thing. Sea skimming at 5mtr, proven.

John wrote:Karan M,

I will reply to you in more detail tomorrow for now I leave with this; we really have no indication the Nirbhay has any sea skimming capability we are taking about missile which flies couple hundred feet above ground and using it as anti shipping missile.

Sea skimming is not straight forward and requires extensive testing same goes for performing high G maneuvers. There is no indication the current design has such capability or how much effort it requires to test it even if it does, we are getting into hypothetical territory here.

IMO there is need for sub sonic Ashm but it should be low rcs missile that can be launched from standard torpedo tubes.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 22:28

Nirbhay has a 300 kg PCB warhead. :eek:

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 02 May 2019 23:02

^ Should have made my comment more clearer currently sea skimming is being tested I am not sure if that capabilities is envisioned for first version of Nirbhay and how much testing it requires to fully certify sea skimming and sharp maneuvering for Nirbhay. To be honest I would rather focus on them inducting vanilla Nirbhay before adding features like loitering, sea skimming etc.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 23:09

John,

You are clearly moving your goalposts. You said:

we really have no indication the Nirbhay has any sea skimming capability we are taking about missile which flies couple hundred feet above ground


Bottomline: Nirbhay was tested for a 10 min sustained, *terminal* sea skimming profile at 5mtr ASL out of a 650-700 km mission.

Not only has ADE clearly stated sea skimming has been done, and also, they have tested a bunch of waypoints. This is nothing but a tacit admission that they conducted a range of maneuvers. A dogleg maneuver or S-curve does not need to be high G either.

Furthermore, they are also adding a seeker to meet Naval anti-ship requirements. And this was the last set of general tech demo tests. After this, tests will be for specific service variants with their features emphasised.

The guys in the interview, Tarmaks articles state all this. It can't get clearer than that.

I don't understand why you can't admit you were mistaken or that these are requirements driven by the Navy for their version which the Nirbhay has demonstrated in its test already since the designers knew what they were designing for. You can't run a missile 10 mins at 5m ASL unless it has been designed for the same or it can handle it.

Ramana, I think the 24 warhead claim was disinformation. Head over to the other thread, I have posted what warheads have been developed for our tactical missiles.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prasad » 02 May 2019 23:38

Not sure about the brahmos, but other supersonic russian missiles including the ones with a supersonic terminal sprint had a popup manouvre right before it began. They'd turn on the seeker, get a target fix and then engage in violent manouevres at max speed to fool enemy defenses. Brahmos is mach 3 all the way.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2019 23:54

Yes, both "sprinters" and the "dancers" have variety of means to confuse the defences.
The popup is for seeker as many dont have datalink access.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 03 May 2019 00:01

BTW, Nirbhay Naval makes it clear why DRDO has a Naval SR misile program only...they have the long/medium range planned out.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Indranil » 03 May 2019 00:33

Kakarat wrote:
kurup wrote:
Air Launched variant is already in developement ,

Image


Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other

How :wink:

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 03 May 2019 01:05

SAAW cough cough will be a very potent weapon.

https://www.wearefinn.com/topics/posts/ ... abilities/

Miller said: "The SPICE air-to-ground family of munitions is actually comprised of three versions. We have a 2,000-pound, 1,000-pound, and a 250-pound version of the system. All of these versions were built to encounter the relevant and updated challenges of the battlefield – mainly engaging targets in highly GPS-jammed environments and highly defended areas.

"These munitions are able to work [in] a heavily jammed environment. All of the versions of SPICE have a unique, electro-optical seeker with SIM-matching technology. That enables the munition to engage the target with pinpoint accuracy under a heavily jammed environment."

He added: "The latest addition to the SPICE family is the 250 version, which is the smallest munition. This is unique and actually a leap forward in capabilities."

One example of this 'leap forward' is the loading dock on the aircraft, Miller said.

"We are able to carry four times as much munition as the other SPICE versions. An F-16 can carry 16 of the SPICE 250 weapons, and the F-15 can carry almost 30."

Further, Miller said:

"The SPICE 250 is able to engage fixed targets in jammed environments, like its two bigger brothers, but also to engage moving maritime targets, moving land targets, and also time-critical relocatable targets."

He says this is done through "unique algorithms" in the seeker and with the on-board network data link system.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 03 May 2019 01:09

Indranil wrote:
Kakarat wrote:
Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other

How :wink:


Like this
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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 03 May 2019 01:46

NSM does pseudorandom, high G maneuvers in all 3 planes, speed changes, in endgame.
http://sveadiesel.se/militart/wp-conten ... eprint.pdf
Be interesting to see whats revealed about Nirbhay.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Indranil » 03 May 2019 01:56

Karakat sahab,

I am speaking of the emboldened part.
Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other

It opens on the the bottom on both sides.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Nalla Baalu » 03 May 2019 02:00

Kakarat wrote:
Indranil wrote:How :wink:


Like this
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Kakarat saar, please post a link to the video the above image is captured from. The test engineer I presume is demonstrating how single piece wing snaps into position.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Nalla Baalu » 03 May 2019 02:13

Indranil wrote:Karakat sahab,

I am speaking of the emboldened part.
Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other

It opens on the the bottom on both sides.


Kakarat saar is obviously picturing missile in boost phase and not in cruise phase.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Indranil » 03 May 2019 04:37

Oh! :|

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 03 May 2019 10:57

Nalla Baalu wrote:
Kakarat wrote:
Like this
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Kakarat saar, please post a link to the video the above image is captured from. The test engineer I presume is demonstrating how single piece wing snaps into position.


I got the pic in google, but have also found the video its a NDTV report
https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/news/in ... ils-268282

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 03 May 2019 11:02

Indranil wrote:Karakat sahab,

I am speaking of the emboldened part.
Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other

It opens on the the bottom on both sides.


How Indranil Ji? when a single piece wing which deploy by rotating 90* at its mid point
Please see at 1.06min in the video
https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/news/in ... ils-268282

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Haridas » 03 May 2019 11:09

Nalla Baalu wrote:Low altitude (multiple media reports with 5m references) and shore-hugging (stay below shore based radar envelopes) capabilities were specifically called out by the good developers at ADE in Tarmak007 interview, as features that were validated during the recent 6th test flight.

WTHell is shore hugging capabelity? What does it offer to military? Specially when it has autonomous INS, GPS, IRNESS and terminal scene correlation?

In the interview the drdo scientist mentions shore hugging test route/flight plan was chosen to validate missile performance using ground based instruments. That was no sdre feature.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby kurup » 03 May 2019 11:41

Kakarat wrote:
kurup wrote:
Air Launched variant is already in developement ,

Image


Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other


The GLCM variant uses the setup of single wing rotating about a pivot but the ALCM variant as the image shows follows a Tomahawk style wing setup , two wing pieces rotating about two pivots from same part of the body .

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 03 May 2019 11:46

kurup wrote:
Kakarat wrote:
Nirbhay has a single piece wing which rotates along the midpoint to deploy, so on one side it will be on the upper side and on the lower side on the other


The GLCM variant uses the setup of single wing rotating about a pivot but the ALCM variant as the image shows follows a Tomahawk style wing setup , two wing pieces rotating about two pivots from same part of the body .


How? we have not seen the other side of the missile even the wing is not completely visible

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Singha » 03 May 2019 11:53

the speed can usually be increased to 900kmph in terminal phase to use up remaining fuel and make interception a bit harder.
after retiring the similar tomahawk ASM as lacking a real use case in post cold war era, the USN is back in the game with LRASM and JASSM-ER. B1 is now a naval bomber and carries anti ship missiles.

brar saab was saying by having a long range missile which can function in ecm dense environments, you automatically force the enemy DDGs to carry and expend more SAMs in defensive ops than carrying land or sea attack missiles that can target your own ships.

in short such subsonic, but smart and long range ASMs can function as Amraam C5 + F16 "fending off" sticks vs enemy naval groupings ?


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