Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby khatvaanga » 11 Sep 2019 23:52

John wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:Even the baseline Akash SAM has demonstrated counter-PGM capability having successfully intercepted SPICE 2000 glide bombs during acceptance trials as revealed by @DRDO_India.

DRDO says that it can intercept targets at altitudes as low as 30 metres.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1171285263059808257

That's something a command guided missile should have no trouble accomplishing, however there capability will be limited when it comes to intercepting maneuvering low flying missile. The latency will greatly reduce engagement range and need to maintain los could reduce hit probability in urban environments.


stupid question - if Aakash SAM can do the work do we need the Iron Dome or the S400? rather, why are we going for them when Aakash has the same capability?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 11 Sep 2019 23:54

Kartik wrote:Image of the MPATGM from its latest test

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ANI Twitter link


We are going full steam on tank busters:

1) NAG
2) Helina
3) SANT
4) MANPATGM
5) CLGM

Not to mention assorted newer generation smart munitions like Adrushy-II

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Vivek K » 12 Sep 2019 00:14

khatvaanga wrote:stupid question - if Aakash SAM can do the work do we need the Iron Dome or the S400? rather, why are we going for them when Aakash has the same capability?

That is a "good" stupid question! Let me know when you find out the answer. I'm not holding my breath for it though.

p.s. - giving out the answer will in the least get me banned.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 12 Sep 2019 00:32

Prem Kumar wrote:Not saying 12 is a small number. I was curious how they managed 24 (if that was indeed achieved). I realize its only a concept, while Namica is a ready-to-be-inducted system.

Funny part is that the Poles claim this is a 1st tank destroyer of its kind.

I hope there comes a Namica 2.0 with Helina & SANT, launched in LOAL mode and guided by a WSO sitting inside the vehicle. Pack-hunting using smart algorithms and busting tanks at a distance of 15 - 20 Km away! We are not that far away from this future.


The whole issue is of acquisition range. Nag relies on COMPASS for long range pickup and then can fire Nag with the target acquired so it can lock on before launch. The range is ~4km. Question is what method is used by the Brimstone to Lock on After launch? From air, its easy. You can use your onboard Litening etc to do the IFF and launch a bunch of Brimstones at the hostiles. How will that work where the target is not clearly differentiated on ground? Use mast mounted radar or optics? Then how intelligent is the Brimstone really to work its detection algos?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 12 Sep 2019 00:37

khatvaanga wrote:
John wrote:That's something a command guided missile should have no trouble accomplishing, however there capability will be limited when it comes to intercepting maneuvering low flying missile. The latency will greatly reduce engagement range and need to maintain los could reduce hit probability in urban environments.


stupid question - if Aakash SAM can do the work do we need the Iron Dome or the S400? rather, why are we going for them when Aakash has the same capability?


Akash is a 30km ranged missile meant for targets which leak past the AF's Combat Air Patrols or (now) longer ranged SAMs. The longer ranged SAMs are part of a layered defense and will include the MRSAM (70km+) and the S-400. The S-400 is a family of missiles, ranging from 120/250km to 400km. The 250km-400km missiles can also handle different classes of ballistic missile threats (SRBM to IRBM). The Akash is designed primarily for aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles & has also been tested (successfully) against munitions.
So, the Akash can complement but not replace the other systems.

Iron Dome is entirely a different beast. It was a system designed in specific for the short range rocket/SRBM threat of the kind faced by Israel from Hezbollah and Hamas. As such it may be of limited use for our field Army or AF installations located deeper within India, and may be of use for the Army formations which envisage facing a massed deluge of SRBMs/rockets.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 12 Sep 2019 00:39

Anujan wrote:
Prasad wrote:It is a ramjet powered missile. Nothing fancy. You could turn the Akash into one and call it Pinaka 3 in a few years' time.


Seems to be a artillery shell with ramjet for range enhancement. Quite interesting. You don't need a first stage booster since it's an arty shell and will have enough velocity to ignite the ramjet engine. Arty shells with base bleed and rocket assists already exist. This seems to be an interesting variant of the idea.



I have seen experimental shells in US labs from 1970s!!!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kartik » 12 Sep 2019 00:39

Vivek K wrote:
khatvaanga wrote:stupid question - if Aakash SAM can do the work do we need the Iron Dome or the S400? rather, why are we going for them when Aakash has the same capability?

That is a "good" stupid question! Let me know when you find out the answer. I'm not holding my breath for it though.

p.s. - giving out the answer will in the least get me banned.


Because you will accuse the armed forces of being corrupt and what not. There is a limit to which people can take such stuff.

the S-400's range and coverage and its strategic value is very different from the Akash's. If you don't know that then its your fault, not others.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 12 Sep 2019 00:44

One thing is there. No more buying anything from Scandinavians with their preachy attitude.
No matter how handsome their salespeople are.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 12 Sep 2019 01:20

Karan M wrote:
khatvaanga wrote:
stupid question - if Aakash SAM can do the work do we need the Iron Dome or the S400? rather, why are we going for them when Aakash has the same capability?


Akash is a 30km ranged missile meant for targets which leak past the AF's Combat Air Patrols or (now) longer ranged SAMs. The longer ranged SAMs are part of a layered defense and will include the MRSAM (70km+) and the S-400. The S-400 is a family of missiles, ranging from 120/250km to 400km. The 250km-400km missiles can also handle different classes of ballistic missile threats (SRBM to IRBM). The Akash is designed primarily for aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles & has also been tested (successfully) against munitions.
So, the Akash can complement but not replace the other systems.

Iron Dome is entirely a different beast. It was a system designed in specific for the short range rocket/SRBM threat of the kind faced by Israel from Hezbollah and Hamas. As such it may be of limited use for our field Army or AF installations located deeper within India, and may be of use for the Army formations which envisage facing a massed deluge of SRBMs/rockets.


Iron dome: Primary req for iron dome is being cost effective, being able to deal with saturation attacks/easy to deploy and quick reaction time. Iron dome costs around 100k usd (or less) which is far cheaper than any SAM (last I heard akash costs around 4 crores?). Each iron dome launcher carries 20 rounds allowing it to better deal with saturation attacks in a singe area.

S-400: is comprehensive SAM system and designed to provide mid-long range intercepts of aircrafts, missiles and bm. I suspect we deploy this along with mr-sam and akash due to cost concerns since we cannot afford to operate a dozen S-400 systems.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby khatvaanga » 12 Sep 2019 01:53

Karan M wrote:Akash is a 30km ranged missile meant for targets which leak past the AF's Combat Air Patrols or (now) longer ranged SAMs. The longer ranged SAMs are part of a layered defense and will include the MRSAM (70km+) and the S-400. The S-400 is a family of missiles, ranging from 120/250km to 400km. The 250km-400km missiles can also handle different classes of ballistic missile threats (SRBM to IRBM). The Akash is designed primarily for aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles & has also been tested (successfully) against munitions.
So, the Akash can complement but not replace the other systems.

Iron Dome is entirely a different beast. It was a system designed in specific for the short range rocket/SRBM threat of the kind faced by Israel from Hezbollah and Hamas. As such it may be of limited use for our field Army or AF installations located deeper within India, and may be of use for the Army formations which envisage facing a massed deluge of SRBMs/rockets.


Got it. Thanks Karanji.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Thakur_B » 12 Sep 2019 05:56

Prem Kumar wrote:
Kartik wrote:Image of the MPATGM from its latest test

Image

ANI Twitter link


We are going full steam on tank busters:

1) NAG
2) Helina
3) SANT
4) MANPATGM
5) CLGM

Not to mention assorted newer generation smart munitions like Adrushy-II


Add to that BDL Amogha-1 (Milan derivative) and Amogha-2.

Further, BDL Amogha-3 and VEM Asibal are two man portable IIR ATGM which appear to be competing configurations of man portable Nag.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby brar_w » 12 Sep 2019 09:00

Karan M wrote:
Iron Dome is entirely a different beast. It was a system designed in specific for the short range rocket/SRBM threat of the kind faced by Israel from Hezbollah and Hamas. As such it may be of limited use for our field Army or AF installations located deeper within India, and may be of use for the Army formations which envisage facing a massed deluge of SRBMs/rockets.


ID is designed for double digit ranged rockets with modifications done to increase agility and seeker performance so that it can handle UAV's and maneuvering subsonic cruise missiles. SRBM defense is provided by David's Sling at the low end, and PATRIOT and Arrow batteries at the higher end. I don't think the ID has demonstrated any residual SRBM capability of any significance.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 12 Sep 2019 10:15

Karan M wrote:The whole issue is of acquisition range. Nag relies on COMPASS for long range pickup and then can fire Nag with the target acquired so it can lock on before launch. The range is ~4km. Question is what method is used by the Brimstone to Lock on After launch? From air, its easy. You can use your onboard Litening etc to do the IFF and launch a bunch of Brimstones at the hostiles. How will that work where the target is not clearly differentiated on ground? Use mast mounted radar or optics? Then how intelligent is the Brimstone really to work its detection algos?


Networked with UAVs, perhaps? UAV is the sensor and Namica is the shooter

But yes, you are correct. The system needs to be self-sufficient in the form of mounted radar or optics. With a clear LOS, a 30m high mast can see the horizon 20Km away & a 15m mast can see upto 14Km

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby putnanja » 12 Sep 2019 11:00

Is there any info on the weight of the missile & launcher & tripod? Can it be shoulder-fired too?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Thakur_B » 12 Sep 2019 11:04

putnanja wrote:Is there any info on the weight of the missile & launcher & tripod? Can it be shoulder-fired too?


Image courtesy Tonbo imaging. They are making the EOTS system.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2019 11:34

Is this a new missile or Nag MANPADS? Looks like Nag.
Incidentally a 2017 F mag issue has a good feature on our layered AD strategy and the various missiles being acquired/ inducted along with the PAD under development. Akash-2 with ER will increase the SAM's capability, range and new rocket motor.SRAAM, Akash, B-8 and the S-400s will be a handful for any incoming Pak/ Chin missile to avoid.The article mentions the types of missiles from our two neighbours that our layered defence has been specifically tailored to defeat.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby JayS » 12 Sep 2019 12:53

Philip wrote:Is this a new missile or Nag MANPADS? Looks like Nag.
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Its BDL's MPATGM. They have three versions AMOGH 1/2/3. Little information available on them.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby JayS » 12 Sep 2019 13:01

Thakur_B wrote:
putnanja wrote:Is there any info on the weight of the missile & launcher & tripod? Can it be shoulder-fired too?

Image courtesy Tonbo imaging. They are making the EOTS system.

The system is called Promahon.

Description

Promahon is a EO / IR command launcher unit for shoulder / land fired ATGM / MPATGM. Integrated with cooled thermal imager, day imager and laser range finding enables lock on to a stationary / moving target with the missile before launch.

Equipped to interact wireless with the EO / IR seeker allows impeccable control of the missile till it hits the target. Its capable of sending the target picture and coordinates to the seeker to engage before launch and in its terminal phase it can receive the video from the seeker to show target in realtime.

It also interacts with the launcher electronics enabling complete fire control solution in a compact integrated package.

The CLU can also be used as a portable thermal sight independent of the MPATGM missile launcher.

Capabilities
•Multi Sensor Suite •LWIR / MWIR Cooled Thermal Imager
•Day Imager
•Day Spotter
•Laser Range Finder
•Extender Optics for Extended Ranges

•Integrated GPS and Digital Compass
•Missile Control Electronics
•Seeker Control Electronics
•Battery Operated
•Remotely Operated



Applications
•Command Launch Unit (CLU) •Land / Air launched ATGM
•Man Portable ATGM (MPATGM)

•Surveillance and Reconnaissance



They have this Sensor package called Trap-1. Is this the IIR Sesonr package for the Amogh missile..??


https://tonboimaging.com/products/missi ... ir-seeker/

Description
Trap1 is a dual / tri band EO / IR multi-sensor stabilised seeker for fire and forget next Gen weapon systems including ATGM / MPATGM. Integrated with a cooled / uncooled thermal imager, a day imager on a two-axis gimbal assembly housed in an optical dome, it allows the missile / drone to maintain lock on a stationary / moving target using advanced video tracking and processing techniques.

AI Enables the seeker with a brain of its own, trained on a very large dataset of IR signatures of multitude of targets.

Equipped to track and home onto predefined targets it allows the missile to be launched in a fire and forget mode, it can also interact wirelessly with the CLU to allow manual control, if required, of the missile till it hits the target.

Its capable of accepting the target picture from a command launch unit, gunner’s sight or just a preloaded target image to engage before its launch.

Designed with SWaP constraints makes it applicable for ATGMs, Glide Bombs and also Kamikaze Drones.

Capabilities
•True Fire and Forget
•Stabilised Gimbal
•Dual Band / Tri Band Seeker
•Realtime Video Enhancements
•Real time Sensor Fusion
•GPS Denied Navigation
•AI Enabled Auto Target Recognition and Tracking
•On Screen Graphics Engine
•Auto Alignment with Launching electro optics



Applications
•Anti Tank Guided Missiles(ATGM / MPATGM)
•Glide Bomb
•Kamikaze Drones


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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kanson » 12 Sep 2019 19:18

Prem Kumar wrote:Check out this concept tank-destroyer - collaboration between Poland & MBDA. Looks like what Namica could be, once we equip it with Helina & SANT.

I am curious how they packed 24 Brimstones in a BMP-2 carrier (same as Namica). Nag dimensions are similar to Brimstone and Namica carries only 12.

If we make Namica 2.0 carry 24 Helinas or SANTs, it will be a lethal tank-destroyer!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28928680/tank-destroyer-concept/?utm_medium=social-media&utm_source=twitter&src=socialflowTW&utm_campaign=socialflowTWPOP

The claim as new concept by Poles is not becoz of BMP type carrier but due to specific characteristics of Brimstone missile.
Yes, it is new becoz they are integrating 24 such missiles in single missile carrier. Usually Brimstone as air lauched missile could take out 24 targets simultaneously as they operate in group mode with their own autonomous target recognition & engagement.

This capability is being put to use from different platforms. And Poles are doing it through missile carrier.

Brimstone doesnt need mast mounted radar or thermal sight, you just have to point them in the target direction, rest it will do.Check the below video.
youtube.com/watch?v=jo86Sy7_kuw

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 12 Sep 2019 22:54

Kanson: Helina is also LOAL. Needs to be launched in the general direction. The mast + radar it to know what the general direction needs to be.

On the algo + coordination + autonomous side, Brimstone seems to have some cool functionality

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kanson » 13 Sep 2019 09:45

Prem Kumar wrote:Kanson: Helina is also LOAL. Needs to be launched in the general direction. The mast + radar it to know what the general direction needs to be.


Helina, that we know, that as described by the development team of drdo, needs significant manual intervention in LOAL mode before missile could take over. You can check the video.

OTOH, Brimstone takes the autonomous function to a different level. Unlike cueing in very specific direction with limitations in case of Helina, Brimstone can be fired in the general direction of the target with less or no cueing. All fine, but what is the success rate? Even modern SAM with enough spoon feeding still chooses wrong plane. We are seeing that. So what is the sucees rate of automatic target detection & destruction of Brimstone. As per the 'user', success rate is very high. Close to 100% they claim. And they went on to make Brimstone 2 , 3 , Sea Spear etc from baseline Brimstone still retaining the same seeker hardware. That is the distinction, I think. It can further do mass coordinate attack in LOAL mode (Upto 24 targets in single salvo is the claim). Could you beat that?

Comparable Missile to look for in our stable is not Helina but SANT.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kanson » 13 Sep 2019 11:13

John wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:Even the baseline Akash SAM has demonstrated counter-PGM capability having successfully intercepted SPICE 2000 glide bombs during acceptance trials as revealed by @DRDO_India.

DRDO says that it can intercept targets at altitudes as low as 30 metres.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1171285263059808257

That's something a command guided missile should have no trouble accomplishing, however there capability will be limited when it comes to intercepting maneuvering low flying missile. The latency will greatly reduce engagement range and need to maintain los could reduce hit probability in urban environments.

Perhaps, I think, such statement arrises becoz we dont possibly know the workings of SPICE 2000. We are tempted to belittle the achievement. Its OK. I could see a lot of negative vibes in the last few pages.

No canister...Akash SAM is not fexible.....
Only 12 missiles, no good, not modern..
Not as advanced as QRSAM...so Akash is obsolete..

Infact Army wanted a less capable missile than Akash as it wanted the missile system to be light weight. Akash can reach 18 kms in altitude compared to just 6 kms for QRSAM, just 1/3rd. Obviously missile becomes light and more mobile.
IA spilt its SRSAM requirement into two, static & mobile. For its static part IA selected much like IAF selected Akash for its requirement.
For its SRSAM-mobile it went for QRSAM. QRSAM missile in commonality with IN SRSAM requirement exceeds the IA requirement. It performed better. Latest trials held tested QRSAM in its sea skimming role.
So it is not that Akash is seen as poor in the eyes of IA. Requirement & expectations changed. Nor it is less capable SAM.

Comming to the question of latency in dealing with manoeuvring cruise missile flying at low level...

First of all, requirement underwhich Akash was inducted by IAF is named as 'Low Level Quick Reaction SAM'. That is, the primary objective is to deal with the threats at low level. IAF, as per the reports came after trials seems very satisfied with Akash performance.

Second, when Akash Sam is deployed, say to defend airbase, IAF knows the terrain, vantage points, blind spots, possible approach routes of such low level cruise missile & other things. These are the basic study they do before placing various elements of SAM in their position. Further Akash SAM can be deployed in many configurations. It fuses data from many radars and select missile from that particular missile laucher which is more suited for successful iterception. It is not that such scenarios are not foreseen.

Spyder-SR SAM inducted by IAF has range limitations at low level/ tree top height. When there is blind spot, it too can loose the lock, no? So no point in beating around...I leave it here..

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 13 Sep 2019 19:55

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/11 ... 9519077376
#BEL says its has inked a pact with MoD today for procurement of 7 Squadrons of Akash Missile System for
@IAF_MCC
. This is a turnkey contract with specialist infrastructure and the total value is Rs 5,357 crore.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 13 Sep 2019 19:57

Great, so this was the follow on 7 squadron order! And we are well in line for the 15 squadron Akash orbat.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 13 Sep 2019 20:00

Kanson,
"Brimstone doesnt need mast mounted radar or thermal sight, you just have to point them in the target direction, rest it will do"

Any weapon which is launched anyplace needs to be sure it is attacking opponents or real targets. Otherwise, civilians will be taken out or you go broke. So whether on the tank carrier or not, you need some kind of detection, deconfliction sensor.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 13 Sep 2019 20:25

Guys please this is Indian Missiles thread.
No Brimstone or sulfur here.
Thanks.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ashishvikas » 13 Sep 2019 21:58

BEL bags Rs 5,357 crore Defence ministry contract for Akash Missile system

BENGALURU: Navratna Defence PSU Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) Friday said it has won order worth Rs 5,357 crores for seven squadrons of Akash Missile System for the Indian Air Force.

BEL has signed a contract with the Ministry of Defence on Friday for procurement of seven squadrons of Akash Missile System for the Indian Air Force, the company said in a statement.

This was a turnkey contract with specialist infrastructure, it said.

According to BEL, the total value of the contract is Rs.5,357 crores and the delivery will be completed in three years.

These systems will be commissioned at seven Air Force locations spread across the country, it added.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/busines ... 33182.html

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kartik » 13 Sep 2019 23:48

Finally ! Good news for all jingos and various MSMEs, industries and ancillaries that support the Akash program..Tight delivery schedule but with an existing production line, this will be achievable.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 13 Sep 2019 23:53

After this, theres an equally large/larger order for Akash Mk1S, and then QRSAM, Astra, Akash NG, hopefully mass production of AAD/PDV. MRSAM/LRSAM/IA MRSAM orders will mean orders for desi guys in C3I, launchers and missile motors, components.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Vips » 14 Sep 2019 00:54

Rs 5400 crore deal inked for 7 more squadrons of Akash missiles for IAF.

The IAF on Friday got a long-delayed booster shot to shore up its air defence capabilities, with a Rs 5,400 crore deal being inked with defence PSU Bharat Electronics for seven additional squadrons of the indigenous Akash surface-to-air missile systems.

Sources said the delivery of the new Akash-2 squadrons, which are geared to intercept hostile aircraft, helicopters, drones and sub-sonic cruise missiles at a range of 25-km, will begin in 18 months. “All the seven squadrons will be delivered within three years,” said a source.

IAF had earlier ordered eight Akash-1 missile squadrons for Rs 6,200 crore, six of which are deployed in the north-east to counter China’s build-up of military infrastructure all along the Line of Actual Control, which includes eight fully-operational airbases in Tibet. The other two squadrons have come up at the Mirage2000 fighter base in Gwalior and Sukhoi-30MKI base in Pune.

The Army, in turn, has inducted two Akash regiments at a cost of Rs 14,180 crore, while another two are in the pipeline. The fully-automated Akash air defence missile systems, which have all-weather capability and can handle multiple aerial threats attacking from several directions simultaneously, are meant to prevent enemy fighters, helicopters and drones from attacking vital military installations and bases.

Using an integrated two-stage Ramjet rocket propulsion technology, the sleek 5.6-metre-long Akash is powered by an airbreathing engine to carry a payload of 60 kg. The Akash, incidentally, was one of the five core missile systems of the integrated guided missile development programme launched by DRDO in 1984.

After long delays due to technical problems, the indigenous SAM – produced by defence PSUs Bharat Electronics and Bharat Dynamics -- is now finally being inducted in large numbers into the armed forces.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 14 Sep 2019 01:24

The Akash 1S is being called the Akash 2?

The original Akash 2 being renamed the Akash NG.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 14 Sep 2019 01:27

It would make sense to have the seeker equipped variants. Three reasons:
1. More survivable (radar can stop guiding in rounds earlier; and especially survivable if missile gets LOBL mode and operates autonomously, though with reduced range)
2. More lethal (more rounds presumably in air as radar need not guide all the way)
3. Much better economy of scale for QRSAM & Astra (seekers and other components will be mass produced)

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby nachiket » 14 Sep 2019 01:30

Karan M wrote:The Akash 1S is being called the Akash 2?

The original Akash 2 being renamed the Akash NG.

The 1S is supposed to have an RF seeker right? So it becomes command guidance + terminal active homing. What additional capability does the NG provide? Range?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 14 Sep 2019 02:13

50km, expanded multi-target handling (10 target engage).

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby nachiket » 14 Sep 2019 02:50

Thanks

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 14 Sep 2019 04:32

Infact Army wanted a less capable missile than Akash as it wanted the missile system to be light weight. Akash can reach 18 kms in altitude compared to just 6 kms for QRSAM, just 1/3rd. Obviously missile becomes light and more mobile.

Kanson where are you getting this 6 km altitude from? That's far too short even OSA could knock out targets at 12km high. IMO altitude should be over 15 km (similar to Spyder missile using derby rounds).

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kanson » 14 Sep 2019 09:49

Only Spyder-MR, Derby with booster has height ceiling of around 14 km.
Pls find out the height ceiling of Spyder-SR.
Of these two, pls find out which one participated in Indian Army SR-SAM tender.
Obviously you will know the answer.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kanson » 14 Sep 2019 10:01

Karan M wrote:Kanson,
"Brimstone doesnt need mast mounted radar or thermal sight, you just have to point them in the target direction, rest it will do"

Any weapon which is launched anyplace needs to be sure it is attacking opponents or real targets. Otherwise, civilians will be taken out or you go broke. So whether on the tank carrier or not, you need some kind of detection, deconfliction sensor.


wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harop
[ .... In February 2019, the Indian Air Force decided to add another 54 Harop drones to its fleet of around 110 of these drones, which they had renamed P-4. ....]

What do you think about the autonomous guidance feature of this drone? On the guidance part, not about loitering aspect, can a missile replicate this feature?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Pratyush » 14 Sep 2019 11:08

Kanson wrote:
Karan M wrote:Kanson,
"Brimstone doesnt need mast mounted radar or thermal sight, you just have to point them in the target direction, rest it will do"

Any weapon which is launched anyplace needs to be sure it is attacking opponents or real targets. Otherwise, civilians will be taken out or you go broke. So whether on the tank carrier or not, you need some kind of detection, deconfliction sensor.


wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harop
[ .... In February 2019, the Indian Air Force decided to add another 54 Harop drones to its fleet of around 110 of these drones, which they had renamed P-4. ....]

What do you think about the autonomous guidance feature of this drone? On the guidance part, not about loitering aspect, can a missile replicate this feature?


Haroop is a fairly simple system. Any nation that has the ability to build anti radiation missile seeker and remotely piloted system and can design and build such a system.


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