Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 19 Oct 2019 20:12

srai wrote:^^^

Stand-off 100km SAAW (2-4 x quad packs) would be a better option :twisted:

Su-30MKI DEAD operations (stand-off)
  • 4 x NGARM 100km+
  • 4 x SAAW quad-pack (16 SAAWs) 100km

Destruction of the radars (using NGARM) along with SAM launchers and support vehicles (using SAAW).


That mix will make it's way in the future.

However, unguided bombs especially cluster bombs are preferred for targets of oppty.

The Brahmos can be used against any target whose coords are known or approx known. Dumb bombs and cluster munitions are for follow up attacks.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karthik S » 21 Oct 2019 16:01

pkudva wrote:
dinesha wrote:Looks like K4 test ranging about 3200 KM from Submerged Pontoon off Visakhapatnam Cost

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This makes me to think, can this be a desended Trajectory Test of K5?


Great news, if the test is successful, the missile and 13.5T SSBN should be ready at the same time.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Raghunathgb » 21 Oct 2019 16:20

Karthik S wrote:[

Great news, if the test is successful, the missile and 13.5T SSBN should be ready at the same time.


Considering that launch location is Visakhapatnam, it has to be either k4 or k5. More likely to k4.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Vips » 21 Oct 2019 17:19

DRDO starts work on ‘next-gen’ hypersonic weapon.

The Defence Research and Development (DRDO) has started work to produce a hypersonic weapon – missiles that travel at five times speed of sound, or a little over a mile every second. A wind tunnel to test and fine tune the technology will be operational soon, senior government officials who did not want to be named said. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to inaugurate the facility soon, they added.

“A hypersonic weapon system is one of the many niche technologies we are exploring seriously,” one of the officials said, asking not to be named.

Billed as a “next-gen” weapon system, the race to acquire hypersonic weapons technology is heating up. China, Russia, and the United States are testing hypersonic weapons of various types to enhance strategic nuclear deterrence and strengthen front-line combat units.

Existing intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) re-entry vehicles also travel at those superfast speeds, but the hypersonic glide vehicles now in development are far more manoeuvrable, making their tracking and interception nearly impossible.

Hypersonic weapons are specifically designed for increased survivability against modern ballistic missile defence systems. These missiles are capable of delivering conventional or nuclear payloads at speeds not imagined hitertoo over long ranges.

In a bid to boost defence manufacturing in India, the DRDO is also offering 1,500 of its patents, including critical missile technology, life sciences, and naval technology, for use by Indian Industry, DRDO chairman G Satish Reddy said.

The patents can be accessed by free of cost even by start-ups and medium and small manufacturing enterprises.

Some of the patents offered for free include technologies to manufacture “man-mounted air-conditioning system”, aircraft arrester barrier system, a sliding mechanism for missile containers, lightweight high strength broadband microwave absorbing rubber, silicon-based lubricants for wide temperature range applications, low-density carbon foam, and anti-corrosive paint for application under immersed conditions, among others.

“DRDO is determined to encourage industry to develop advanced defence equipment thereby making the Make-In-India programme a success. We have today an 1,800-industry base, we are determined to enlarge this base and take the technological capability to a higher level,” Reddy said, explaining the reason behind offering patents at no cost.

Indian industry will not have pay “license fee or royalty” for any of the patented technologies, said a second senior DRDO official who did not want to be named. “DRDO won’t be just offering the technology but will also be handholding the industry and help them produce the product,” he said.

In a related development, DRDO has also tweaked its policy for “Transfer of Technology” (ToT) to the industry. No, ToT fee will be charged from the industry, DRDO Development Partners developing systems or sub-systems for military applications. And, for other industries, the ToT fee is reduced to 5% against an earlier rate of 20%. Also, no royalty is charged for supply to Indian Armed forces and other Govt departments. A nominal royalty of 2% will be charged for supply in the commercial market and for exports.

“Hypersonic weapons will become very critical in the near future. China has demonstrated that it has the technology. Others like US and Russia may already possess such weapons. It’s time that India also starts looking at these technologies,” Lieutenant General(retd) Vinod Bhatia, former Director General of Military Operations said.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Vips » 21 Oct 2019 17:25

Defence Ministry to decide on Army's Rs 10,000 crore Akash missiles proposal for Pakistan, China border.

Seeking to prevent any intrusion of aircraft through the mountainous borders with Pakistan and China, the Defence Ministry is set to discuss a proposal to acquire two regiments of the Akash Prime missiles which can be deployed in high altitude areas above 15,000 feet.

The new Akash missiles which will have an extended performance range than its predecessors are being prepared to be deployed in high altitude areas in Ladakh which shares boundaries with both Pakistan and China.

"The Defence Ministry is scheduled to consider the Army proposal worth around Rs 10,000 crore for acquiring two regiments of the Akash Prime or extended performance Akash missiles. The Akash Prime Missile is an upgraded version of the missile system already existing in the Army," government sources told ANI.

The proposal would be discussed at the meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council scheduled to be held today after the return of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat and Defence Minister from Ladakh.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh will inaugurate the Col Chewang Rinchen Bridge built between Durbuk and Daulat Beg Oldie in eastern Ladakh.
The Akash missile system has been developed in India by DRDO and has proven to be highly successful in the defence forces.

The Army already has two regiments of the missile and is looking to add two more for deployment on Pakistan and China border. Even though the Army is facing minor issues with servicing of the system due to involvement of two production agencies including the Bharat Electronics Limited and the Bharat Dynamics Limited, it is generally happy with missile's performance.

The present order of two regiments was earlier to be given to foreign vendors but the Narendra Modi government decided in favour of 'Make in India' in defence. Recently, the Cabinet Committee on Security headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi cleared the project for the Air Force to buy seven squadrons of the surface to air missile.

During an exercise in Surya Lanka held last year, the Akash missile system was tested along with all other air defence missiles including Israeli ones in the Indian Air Force inventory and it came out as the best performer.

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had successfully test-fired AKASH-MK-1S, the surface to air missile from ITR, Chandipur, Odhisa on May 25 and 27 this year. Akash Mk1S is an upgrade of existing AKASH missile with indigenous Seeker.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby SSridhar » 21 Oct 2019 18:46

I don't think this is new. In May 2017, MoD decided to cancel a global contest for SR-SAM systems and instead procure two additional regiments of the Akash. I think it is the same.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karthik S » 22 Oct 2019 20:42

ANI@ANI
Two BrahMos Surface to Surface Missiles were fired by Indian Air Force at Trak Island in Andaman Nicobar group of islands on 21 & 22 Oct. The twin firings have been carried out as a part of the routine operational training.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby JTull » 22 Oct 2019 21:24

Have IAF also started receiving the upgraded Brahmos with 450km range?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karthik S » 22 Oct 2019 21:32

Above missiles are 300 ones:

ANI @ANI 55m
The missile engaged the designated mock targets close to 300 km away. A direct hit on the target was achieved in both the cases. Firing of the missile has enhanced IAFs capability to engage the grounds targets with pin point accuracy from a mobile platform.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 22 Oct 2019 21:38

JTull wrote:Have IAF also started receiving the upgraded Brahmos with 450km range?

IAF Brahmos have range of 450km no upgrade needed. The flight profile used for this test could be lo-lo to avoid detection in which case range is around 300km (compared to 120km for ship launch variant).

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby srin » 22 Oct 2019 23:53

Was this an air-launched Brahmos or was it a surface-launched Brahmos ? If this is the latter, I'm surprised - I didn't know that IAF too had surface-launched Brahmos, only that Army did.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kartik » 23 Oct 2019 00:26

Surface launched. Saw the video of the launch somewhere.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 23 Oct 2019 00:28

srin wrote:Was this an air-launched Brahmos or was it a surface-launched Brahmos ? If this is the latter, I'm surprised - I didn't know that IAF too had surface-launched Brahmos, only that Army did.

Correction yes you are right it is listed as surface to surface test.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramana » 23 Oct 2019 05:15

srin wrote:Was this an air-launched Brahmos or was it a surface-launched Brahmos ? If this is the latter, I'm surprised - I didn't know that IAF too had surface-launched Brahmos, only that Army did.

In the 90s IAF had their own version of the Prithvi for land attack.
Most likely these are replacements.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby SSridhar » 23 Oct 2019 08:48

srin wrote:Was this an air-launched Brahmos or was it a surface-launched Brahmos ? If this is the latter, I'm surprised - I didn't know that IAF too had surface-launched Brahmos, only that Army did.

srin, the IAF also has two squadrons (80 missiles per squadron) of surface-launched BrahMos Block-II Land Attack missiles in order to take out enemy communication towers, radars, runways etc.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 23 Oct 2019 11:46

IAF needs SSM to take out enemy radars, temporarily disable runaways and hit ORP aircraft for counter air operations.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby AdityaM » 24 Oct 2019 07:49

People will find this twitter handle interesting ‘‪@divert_thruster’

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby tsarkar » 24 Oct 2019 12:20

srin wrote:Was this an air-launched Brahmos or was it a surface-launched Brahmos ? If this is the latter, I'm surprised - I didn't know that IAF too had surface-launched Brahmos, only that Army did.

http://www.brahmos.com/newsprint.php?newsid=187
AF Chief inaugurates state-of-the-art BRAHMOS Technical Position
BrahMos Aerospace , (December 09, 2014)
NEW DELHI: The Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee & Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha PVSM AVSM VM ADC inaugurated on 09th December, 2014, the state-of-the-art BRAHMOS Technical Position at BrahMos HQs, New Delhi.


http://www.brahmos.com/newsimage/1418196733-News.jpg

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IAF has inducted ground launched Brahmos in 2014 before the air launched version was first tested in 2017.

https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease ... lid=173720

The current news also clearly mentions Surface to Surface missile.

Used for taking out enemy Radar and SAM sites.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby dinesha » 25 Oct 2019 15:50

dinesha wrote:Between October 23 and 25
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Looks like K4 test ranging about 3200 KM from Submerged Pontoon off Visakhapatnam Cost

So Hopefully No News is Good News.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kakarat » 25 Oct 2019 16:56

dinesha wrote:
dinesha wrote:Between October 23 and 25
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Looks like K4 test ranging about 3200 KM from Submerged Pontoon off Visakhapatnam Cost

So Hopefully No News is Good News.


I think it has been postponed
There is a weather issue in the launch area

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby dinesha » 25 Oct 2019 23:44

Another NOTAM issued for danger zone upto 3500Kms from Vishakhpatnam Coast on 8-9 November.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramdas » 26 Oct 2019 04:12

Is it a good idea to be discussing these NOTAMs on a public forum? OTOH, I do'nt know why GoI does not release them much later, say, 3 days or so before the actual test.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby nachiket » 26 Oct 2019 04:37

NOTAM's are public announcements. They are meant to make sure civilian pilots stay clear of the area. They have to be given out well in advance so that flight plans can be filed with necessary alterations by airlines etc.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ramdas » 26 Oct 2019 04:45

The reason I asked is that I have often seen NAVAREAS issued 3-5 days before tests. Should'nt shipping have a harder time clearing out of an area than flights, that too when these are standard areas for which we have issued warnings in the past ?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby manjgu » 26 Oct 2019 08:03

ramdas wrote:The reason I asked is that I have often seen NAVAREAS issued 3-5 days before tests. Should'nt shipping have a harder time clearing out of an area than flights, that too when these are standard areas for which we have issued warnings in the past ?
..the missile range has been setup in a area which sees not much shipping. so even 3 to 5 days advance notice is enough...a normal ship does about 13 to 16 knots ph = almost 25 to 30 kmph ... 25 kmph *4 days *24 hr =2400 km !! enough to clear out any shipping.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby manjgu » 26 Oct 2019 08:11

also the missile testing coordinates are rectangular in shape with long sides..not much width so clearance is not so difficult.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby kurup » 26 Oct 2019 13:55

dinesha wrote:Another NOTAM issued for danger zone upto 3500Kms from Vishakhpatnam Coast on 8-9 November.


Where is the notam issued ?? Can't find anything on AAI website .

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby VinodTK » 27 Oct 2019 21:02

India’s 1st floating test range ready, ballistic missile defence trials on cards
India is set to test its ballistic missile defence (BMD) Phase II interceptor missiles and other futuristic weapons next year with its first floating test range (FTR) in place to allow trials at different ranges without a land mass limitation or threat to the population. Only a select group of nations has FTR capability .

Designed by the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), the new FTR is a 10,000 tonne ship, 200 metres long and 60 metres wide, equipped with state-of-the art electro-optical missile tracking (EOTS), S-band radar tracking and telemetry devices apart from a launch pad, a launch control and mission control centre.

While the missile establishment is tight-lipped about the FTR, Hindustan Times has learnt that the ship will be able to launch conventional missiles upto a range of 1,500 kilometres from a distance of 400 to 500 nautical miles in the sea without fear of the weapons threatening any populated area on India’s east coast.

The FTR will not be used for testing the Agni series of ballistic missiles as it is not designed to handle the thrust of a long-range weapon. “ The FTR has all the capabilities of Interim Test Range (ITR) with the capability to test missiles in deep sea with minimum safety precautions as the latter allows only a cone of two to three degrees to launch a missile. It is for testing all missiles including BMD,” said a senior official who didn’t want to be named.

According to authoritative sources, the idea behind FTR is to test missiles from a range of 100 kilometres to 1,500 kilometres without any land mass or sea lanes limitations. This means that the FTR will be used for the BMD Phase II system, which is designed to destroy enemy missiles mid-air at different altitudes and different ranges with a long-range DRDO missile.

Phase II of BMD envisaged intercepting and destroying enemy missile with a range of 2,000 kilometre. The FTR will be also used to test tactical missiles like Prahar and other futuristic missiles.

With the FTR allowing live tests, not simulations, to interdict long-range missiles fired from the APJ Abdul Kalam Island off the Odisha coast, the Indian BMD system will become more efficient with improved single -hot kill probability (SSKP) ratio, a term used for surface-to-air weapons.

“The FTR will speed up missile projects as it provides a ready-made safety corridor without getting caught into the advances notices to ships and aircraft flying in the area as well as the fear of hitting populated areas while testing BMD system. With this we can use interceptor missile to interdict enemy missiles both endo and exo-atmosphere,” said a second senior official.


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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby kit » 27 Oct 2019 22:01

So no NOTAM ?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby John » 29 Oct 2019 22:07

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2019/ ... erest.html


The Manila Bulletin reported that Indian and Philippines officials had discussed the possible sale of the BrahMos missile to the Philippine Army during a visit by the INS Sahyadri


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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Indranil » 31 Oct 2019 23:13

From an RCI tender

LRGB stands for Long Range Glide Bomb which is a modified version of ASB. i.e., Garuthma and Garuda variants. Under LRGB, Five variants are conventional Warheads i.e., PF and PCB version are being developed. The overall configuration of LRGB is given below. Gaurav variant is long range and wing kit. Gautam variant is short range and without wing kit.

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                                                                                       |---  Gaurav (PF-WH) 
                          |-------------  Gaurav (with deployable wings) ~ 1000 kgs ---|---  Gaurav (PCB-WH)         
                          |                                                            |---  Gaurav (Tandem-WH)
LRGB ---------------------|
                          |
                          |-------------  Gautam - 550 kgs --------------------------------  Gautam (PF-WH)                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                       |--- Gautam(PCB-WH)




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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 01 Nov 2019 00:32

Great find Indranil. ASB was basically a TD program to develop weapons per IAF SQR.

Correlate with this (Gaurav and Gautam mentioned but PG-HSLD is not)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BY8KdJaWdaU/ ... Poster.jpg

And this:

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kartik » 01 Nov 2019 00:46

Is this for fabrication of some LRGB bomb units for testing? Or have the Garuthma and Garuda glide bombs already been tested and this is for production?

edited later : seeing the picture posted by Karan M, it is clear that the Long Range Glide Bomb has already been tested (possibly several times) and found to be able to engage targets at 70 km range.
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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kartik » 01 Nov 2019 00:48

Karan M wrote:Great find Indranil. ASB was basically a TD program to develop weapons per IAF SQR.

Correlate with this (Gaurav and Gautam mentioned but PG-HSLD is not):
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BY8KdJaWdaU/ ... Poster.jpg

And this:

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70 km range for LRGB that was tested it seems..would that be for the non-winged Gautam or the long range winged Gaurav?

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 01 Nov 2019 00:51

Likely the winged version.
As of 2014,
ASB Glide: Non-winged version of guided bomb having a range of 30 km has been named as ‘Garuda’ and winged version of this weapon having 100 km range is called as ‘Garuthma’.


2015
Glide Bomb: DRDO has indigenously developed 1000 kg glide bombs. Non-winged version of guided bomb has a range of 30 km and winged version of this weapon has a 100 km range. Trials of both the bombs were conducted successfully during 2015. Both versions are now being integrated for carriage and drop trials.


Aim though was to take the non winged version itself till 100 km.

Pictures of the winged version are here:
https://www.drdo.gov.in/glide-bomb

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Kartik » 01 Nov 2019 00:57

So could that RCI tender be for further improvements and for some more test units to be built?

Integration with all other multi-role types (Mirage-2000I, Tejas Mk1, MiG-29UPG and MiG-29K) should follow. Cheap, reliable and long range PGMs for all multi-role types in the IAF and IN fleet is the goal.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 01 Nov 2019 00:58

Yes, with warheads.

The mass induction of these bombs will completely change the manner in which IAF can address targets.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Karan M » 01 Nov 2019 01:11

See the list above BTW. It includes most weapons in development for the IAF, most not all, as some will obviously be classified and there are systems like PG-HSLD which are quasi-glide bombs (it uses lift from body + fins, not wings) with seeker for high CEP.

I recently did a quick dekko at how the IAF plans to fight its next war based on what CAS rtd BS Dhanoa said, and his confidence has merit, people tend to skim over the events in which senior folks speak, and they shouldn't. The IAF not only has a stockpile of PGMs but the widespread deployment of Litening, IFR, and advanced nav-attack systems (MFDs, DMGs, RLG-INS w/GPS update) has completely revolutionized IAFs strike capability. Pilots can now range further, attack at night, and have accurate map generation capability, plus they know where they are.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Philip » 01 Nov 2019 01:30

Are these GBs the same ones first revealed at 2/3 air show previously? The mockups displayed had composite
bodies.


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