Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2020 17:24

Karan M wrote:FWIW
https://www.aviation-defence-universe.c ... rsam-army/

Induction of MRSAM for Indian Army : A filip to indigenisation

New Delhi. 12 April 2017.

By Major General AP Singh, Ph.D.
The author is posted with Army HQ, Dte Gen of Army Air Defence as ADG, Army AIr Defence.

New Delhi. 12 April 2017. In a long awaited filip to indigenous capabilities, last month (March 2017), Government of India sanctioned to DRDO the programme for “Development and Production of land based Medium Range Surface to Air Missile Systems (MRSAM)”, with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) for the Indian Army. The programme is a design, development, production, installation and commissioning of the MRSAM Systems into Army Air Defence.
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MRSAM will enhance the medium range Air Defence coverage to various Division Size Battle Groups, Rapid Reaction Forces of both the Pivot and Strike Corps and help them fight battle independently. It will enhance the Army’s ability to operate across diverse terrain on multiple fronts, fight isolated battles across any terrain with labyrinth of obstacles and enhance their reach deep inside the enemy territory from enemy air threats.

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MRSAM(Army) will be an advanced, all weather, 3600, mobile land system that will provide missile defence against wide variety of threats including saturation attacks and limited tactical ballistic missiles with full capability of air and surface surveillance, threat alert and fire control in a kill zone of over 50 km in range and 20 km in height. The missile has a small, light weight & compact active seeker.

Most of the onboard systems being compact, will minimize the signature making it difficult for enemy air to engage it. The propulsion system with dual pulse rocket motor will increase the missile velocity and maneuvering capability in intercepting new generation fighter aircraft and drones / UAVs of increasing capability like stealth, artificial intelligence capable and other low cost targets that will bring a very high degree of threat to the land forces. The multi-functional phased array radar, with 3D beam capability can detect target upto range of 300km with capabilities of surveillance, multi-target tracking, threat alert, target assignment & launch of missiles, enhancing the quality of Air Defence to the ground forces. Critical elements will have NBC protection.

Boost to ‘Make in India’ Capability

A very significant gain has been the transfer of technology of critical components like seeker, warhead etc. including Maintenance Transfer of Technology. Flow of technology will lead to well defined indigenous capability. Design data share will improve the ‘Built to Print’ portion of systems/sub-systems.

The private vendors already identified by IAI for IN and IAF LRSAM/MRSAM project will ensure unhindered and timely production of Army’s MRSAM. The participation of private industries in the Army project will increase remarkably vis-à-vis IN and IAF contracts since the work share will increase significantly. Industry will be involved in providing various components including of missiles. Increased work-share coupled with DRDO tasked to develop more systems will ensure larger private industry participation.

Indigenous production of the multi-functional surveillance and Threat Alert Radar will substantially increase the gain in technology to Indian companies leading to enhanced capability to develop/produce the system within the country.

Another benefit of project will be the DPSUs having developed infrastructure for production of missiles of AF and Navy, will get lead time now to enhance its infrastructure for integration of missile and training of manpower for production of MRSAM for the Army. It also gives opportunity to private industry to augment the missile production capability at least in non-niche components. The project is likely to give major boost to the “Make in India” initiative leading to more self-reliance in sustaining the system in long run.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2020 17:26

The Israelis saw we've already made huge strides in seeker and radar tech so agreed to the ToT. Will help us in improving domestic production base too though. This will help us when we manufacture our NG radars and missile seekers.

Note when this deal was signed though. In 2017. And per Make in India the Israelis had to cooperate. Throw this in the face of anyone who says this Govts policies are for nought. They fixed glaring holes in the original MRSAM deal.

I expect all this will pay off for the next XRSAM program too. But the IAF needs to up its game on electronic warfare.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 30 Oct 2020 17:52

Karan M wrote:The Israelis saw we've already made huge strides in seeker and radar tech so agreed to the ToT. Will help us in improving domestic production base too though.

From what I know in todays date wrt missile technology israelis are ahead of us only in miniaturising(both parts as well as the complete design) plus whatever knowledge they get from American labs. MRSAM type of joint projects will definitely help us in this regard too.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2020 17:54

Yes, precisely. We are developing our own plus cooperating and that will have its positives.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 30 Oct 2020 20:33

Interesting, given the ranges specified...

IAF Tests BrahMos Missile; Su-30 MKI Fighter Takes Off From Punjab, Destroys Target 4,000 Km Away In The Indian Ocean: Report - Swarajya report based on a Shiv aroor tweet

wig · Post by **wig** » 30 Oct 2020 20:56

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... QtFBL.html

Boost to Indian Air Force’: Rudram missile to be inducted by 2022, say top officials

extracted from above

The indigenous missile, being developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) for the IAF, was tested for the first time in the anti-radiation mode from a Sukhoi-30 fighter jet on October 9 against a target on Wheeler Island off the Odisha coast.

“We plan to carry out six to seven more tests before declaring the weapon ready for induction by 2022. The missile’s passive homing head can detect, classify and engage targets over a wide band of frequencies as programmed,” the officials said.

The missile will help the air force take out enemy air defence systems from large stand-off ranges. “With this, the country has established indigenous capability to develop long-range air-launched anti-radiation missiles for neutralising enemy radars, communication sites and other RF emitting targets,” the defence ministry announced on October 9 when the missile’s maiden test was conducted.

While the Rudram is likely to be tested again from a Su-30 jet by the year-end, India is also developing a new air-launched missile capable of knocking out enemy tanks from a stand-off distance of more than 10 kilometres and a crucial test of the weapon will be conducted in two months, as reported by Hindustan Times on October 22.

The indigenous missile - named stand-off anti-tank missile (SANT) -- is expected to be mated to the IAF’s Russian-origin Mi-35 attack helicopters to arm them with the capability to destroy enemy armour from an improved stand-off range.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 30 Oct 2020 23:49

Karan M wrote:
I was the one who posted that article on BR, FYI, eons ago. As can be expected, some aspects have been overtaken by events.

Its from August 2018.

That's good to know. I couldn't tell the date from the article and since it was recently shared on Twitter, thought it must have been a recent one.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 31 Oct 2020 04:30

VEM Technologies sets up advanced Seeker facility in Hyderabad.

Hyderabad-based aerospace and defence company VEM Technologies has set up an advanced Seeker manufacturing facility in the city, which is touted as the first such facility in India in the private sector, with indigenous technology.

The new facility set up at Hardware Park in Tukkuguda near Srisailam Road with an investment of over Rs 100 crore is spread across 1,25,000 sq ft, with amenities required to carry out the assembly, integration and testing of sub-systems required for radio frequency (RF) and imaging infrared radar (IIR) Seekers under one roof, GP Sarma, senior vice-president, Marketing, VEM Technologies told Telangana Today.

VEM Technologies, had been founded by V Venkata Raju, who is also the chairman and managing director of VEM, with an aim to make the company as a systems engineering company offering solutions to the Armed services making the country self-reliant. The company has been working on building Seeker manufacturing capabilities since 2013.

Seekers help missiles track and strike the targets with accuracy.

Sarma said, “We are looking to cater to domestic needs for RF Seekers. Very few countries in the world have Seeker manufacturing capabilities. Countries such as the US, Russia, France, Israel and India have the capability to make them. There is however a good scope for exporting IIR Seekers.”

VEM’s Advanced Systems Division, which was recently inaugurated by Dr G Satheesh Reddy, secretary, Department of Defence R&D & chairman-DRDO, has the capacity to manufacture about 60 RF Seekers per month and about 300 IIR Seekers per month.

“The facility will cater to IIR Seekers for various missile programmes. The company can augment the capacities based on the orders,” Sarma added. The company has received a soft financial assistance from Technology Development Board, Department of Science & Technology, Government of India, to a tune of Rs 25 crore for the ‘Development & Commercialisation of RF Seekers’.

Praveen P A, director, Aerospace & Defence, Government of Telangana said, “Despite Covid, Hyderabad defence and aerospace ecosystem is attracting fresh investments and most players are expanding capacities to meet the opportunities presented by indigenisation goals and Aatma Nirbhar Bharat drive in defence production.”

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Nov 2020 08:54

On a minor note,the clips of the IN's testing of anti- ship missiles shown on IT was v.instructive. An Uran fired from a Tarantula missile corvette completely cut into two amidships a retd.G-class FFG .Now these were pretty tough warships built by MDL based upon the earlier Nilgiri/Leander class design. The Uran,aka " Harpoonski", acquired in the '90s is the most prolific of anti-ship missile types in the IN's inventory,gradually being replaced by BMos.One can therefore imagine the effect of a BMos missile upon a warship!

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 04 Nov 2020 18:22

There is news about testing of enhanced version PINAKA - In a quick fire mode.

https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 2473768960

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 04 Nov 2020 18:34

Came across two seeker heads for NGARM. So Rudra M1 and Rudra M2 will be probably be the missiles with these two seeker heads. Leaves the question what seeker Rudra M3 will have.

BTW why does DRDO use names used elsewhere for its programs? There is a Netra Quadcopter UAV and Netra AEW&C. There is the Rudra helicopter and now Rudra missile.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 04 Nov 2020 18:37

RajaRudra wrote:There is news about testing of enhanced version PINAKA - In a quick fire mode.

https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 2473768960

If the video is from the current test, then nose fins indicate guided Pinaka.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Nov 2020 19:35

Q,how do you "guide" Pinaka? Where will it get its real time input from or is it supposed to seek out its targets at the terminal stage of flight? I thought that the purpose of Pinaka was a battlefirld saturation rocket system esp. given its long range.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 04 Nov 2020 19:40

tsarkar wrote:

Came across two seeker heads for NGARM. So Rudra M1 and Rudra M2 will be probably be the missiles with these two seeker heads. Leaves the question what seeker Rudra M3 will have.

BTW why does DRDO use names used elsewhere for its programs? There is a Netra Quadcopter UAV and Netra AEW&C. There is the Rudra helicopter and now Rudra missile.

These are for the NGARM itself - the other missiles are separate projects. These are merely two seeker heads for different bands. The other Rudra missiles are different structurally as well.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 04 Nov 2020 19:40

Philip wrote:Q,how do you "guide" Pinaka? Where will it get its real time input from or is it supposed to seek out its targets at the terminal stage of flight? I thought that the purpose of Pinaka was a battlefirld saturation rocket system esp. given its long range.

GPS guided trajectory correction system for higher accuracy.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 04 Nov 2020 19:41

Philip wrote:On a minor note,the clips of the IN's testing of anti- ship missiles shown on IT was v.instructive. An Uran fired from a Tarantula missile corvette completely cut into two amidships a retd.G-class FFG .Now these were pretty tough warships built by MDL based upon the earlier Nilgiri/Leander class design. The Uran,aka " Harpoonski", acquired in the '90s is the most prolific of anti-ship missile types in the IN's inventory,gradually being replaced by BMos.One can therefore imagine the effect of a BMos missile upon a warship!

The Uran had several issues in IN service and IN vets were happy it was actually testifired indicating the issues were resolved.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 04 Nov 2020 19:44

tsarkar wrote:
RajaRudra wrote:There is news about testing of enhanced version PINAKA - In a quick fire mode.

https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 2473768960
If the video is from the current test, then nose fins indicate guided Pinaka.

The PR mentions enhanced Pinaka which would replace current Mk1 in production. That counts against it being the guided version because that was much more expensive and a limited production run/yr (as versus std Pinaka) was planned. Until and unless we plan to go all guided which doesn't seem likely given budgetary issues.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Nov 2020 21:13

India test-fires long range Pinaka rocket system, will be deployed to counter China

India on Wednesday successfully flight-tested the enhanced version of Pinaka multi-barrel rocket system (MRLS). Indigenously developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the enhanced Pinaka along with guidance Pinaka will cover the range between 60 to 90 kilometres and will be deployed by the Indian Army.

The DRDO said that this new rocket system has a longer range with reduced length compared to the earlier variant (Mk-1), which will now be phased out. The design and development has been carried out by Pune-based laboratories of DRDO, Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) and High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL).

“A total of six rockets were launched in quick succession and the tests met complete mission objectives,” the DRDO said after the test-fire.

All the flight articles were tracked by range instruments such as telemetry, radar and Electro Optical Tracking Systems (EOTS) which confirmed the flight performance, it further said.

The enhanced version of the Pinaka rocket would replace the existing Pinaka Mk-1 rockets. While Mk-1 had a range of 36 km, this enhanced variant can hit a target 45 to 60 km away and has been developed as per requirements of the Indian Army.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 04 Nov 2020 21:42

Thanks Dilbu. So this is not the guided version but the ER version we discussed from that DRDO TF document. I hope for everyone's sake the order for this is not with OFB alone but split between OFB and Solar.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 05 Nov 2020 01:53

tsarkar wrote: https://i1.wp.com/ddr.delhidefencerevie ... .jpg?w=696

Came across two seeker heads for NGARM. So Rudra M1 and Rudra M2 will be probably be the missiles with these two seeker heads. Leaves the question what seeker Rudra M3 will have.

BTW why does DRDO use names used elsewhere for its programs? There is a Netra Quadcopter UAV and Netra AEW&C. There is the Rudra helicopter and now Rudra missile.

PHH will be used only for the NGARM/RudraM-1. Rudram-2/Mk-2(whatever it is) will feature an IIR seeker.

The Mk3 is I think a ballistic missile. If you go back in this thread, IR had posted on this very thing.

Raghunathgb · Post by **Raghunathgb** » 05 Nov 2020 05:20

Karan M wrote:Thanks Dilbu. So this is not the guided version but the ER version we discussed from that DRDO TF document. I hope for everyone's sake the order for this is not with OFB alone but split between OFB and Solar.

The reports mention that rockets for todays test were supplied by economic explosive limited (solar group).

https://www.onmanorama.com/news/nation/ ... fully.html

MoD said the rockets tested today were manufactured by Economic Explosives Limited based out of Nagpur.

Army is now openly favouring solar group after being tired with OFB. Even shivalik grenades solar group have received orders and OFB is yet to receive it. There are reports that army has asked for particular testing standards which solar group has asked 4 months to complete whereas OFB has asked 20 months. All in all good riddance.let OFB compete or perish.

https://www.thestatesman.com/cities/kol ... 29098.html

A private Nagpur-based defence manufacturer has reportedly suggested the IMC method that will take four months approx to prove shelf life whereas for OFB it will take 20 months to complete ISAT (B) trials approved by DGQA which in turn might lead to the private manufacturer bagging the orders.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Nov 2020 11:56

Tx. for the info. Any ball park fig for cost of the guided round vs. std. round? No actual figs. wanted for obvious reasons,just 1X or 2X whatever.
Given the extended range,will the area spread of the saturation area increase with salvoes fired? How will at extended ranges will one be able to assure accuracy and error reduction?

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 05 Nov 2020 12:29

Raghunathgb wrote: A private Nagpur-based defence manufacturer has reportedly suggested the IMC method that will take four months approx to prove shelf life whereas for OFB it will take 20 months to complete ISAT (B) trials approved by DGQA which in turn might lead to the private manufacturer bagging the orders.

The testing is to establish shelf life by analysis of deterioration of produced stock. I think OFB has a point where they claim that shelf life cannot be established with 4 month analysis.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2020 17:26

Philip wrote: How will at extended ranges will one be able to assure accuracy and error reduction?

Through INS and aerodynamic features

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 05 Nov 2020 18:45

Dilbu wrote:The enhanced version of the Pinaka rocket would replace the existing Pinaka Mk-1 rockets. While Mk-1 had a range of 36 km, this enhanced variant can hit a target 45 to 60 km away and has been developed as per requirements of the Indian Army.

Great news!

Slightly confusing is the range. Pinaka-ER was supposed to have a 45 Km range. Mk-2 will have a 60 Km range and Guided Pinaka will have a 75 Km range.

If they're now claiming Pinaka-ER having a 45-60 Km range, it may be a case of previously deliberate understating of range (or maybe they realized that it travels longer than initially thought). Then Pinaka-2 & Guided one will travel even further than stated.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 05 Nov 2020 18:49

Karan M wrote:
The PR mentions enhanced Pinaka which would replace current Mk1 in production. That counts against it being the guided version because that was much more expensive and a limited production run/yr (as versus std Pinaka) was planned. Until and unless we plan to go all guided which doesn't seem likely given budgetary issues.

Moreover, the length being shorter means its Pinaka-ER. The Pinaka-2 and Guided Pinaka are longer and heavier

Article in Dilbu's post also reveals that Guided Pinaka's stated-range has been raised upwards. From a previous 75 Km to now 90 Km. All in all, good show

Raghunathgb · Post by **Raghunathgb** » 05 Nov 2020 18:51

Pinaka ER range is 45-50 kms and not 60 kms. It's DDM.

mody · Post by **mody** » 06 Nov 2020 15:16

The following Youtube video has more details about the enhanced range Pinaka MK1 rockets.

https://youtu.be/t7G_vkgGVnA

Raghunathgb · Post by **Raghunathgb** » 06 Nov 2020 17:54

mody wrote:The following Youtube video has more details about the enhanced range Pinaka MK1 rockets.

https://youtu.be/t7G_vkgGVnA

The range of enhanced pinaka mk1 is clearly given as 45 kms in DRDO newsletter. There has also been improvement in accuracy and shelf life of mk1 rockets other than range.

Several journalist have quoted 25% improvement in range which equates to 50 kms. Also all articles mention that new ones are going to replace older rockets. So that would mean the rockets would be fitted in same launch tube as the old ones. So this should be sufficient to help us understand the range of new enhanced rockets.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Nov 2020 20:52

Still unclear,does the " guided" version have a terminal seeker or better radar ,INS aerodynamic features as SS said?
Cluster bombs like the CBU-105 have heat-seeking bomblets to seek out MBTs and AVs.We supposedlly tested the same weapon a year ago.Does the new Pinaka round have a similar kind of warhead?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Nov 2020 21:22

Philip, the Jan 2017 tests for guided Pinaka reportedly tested for 60 Kms + with an accuracy of 8.5 metres. AFAIK, they do not have radars. They have INS + GPS/GLONASS. Possibly IRNSS now. The December 2019 tests spoke of 90 Km range. Ex-DG, Artillery, Lt. Gen PR Shankar spoke of employing 'skip-glide' mechanism (something like MARV) to increase range.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Nov 2020 21:33

Raghunathgb wrote:
The range of enhanced pinaka mk1 is clearly given as 45 kms in DRDO newsletter. There has also been improvement in accuracy and shelf life of mk1 rockets other than range.

Several journalist have quoted 25% improvement in range which equates to 50 kms. Also all articles mention that new ones are going to replace older rockets. So that would mean the rockets would be fitted in same launch tube as the old ones. So this should be sufficient to help us understand the range of new enhanced rockets.

I think these older rockets would most likely be used for training purposes.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Nov 2020 05:30

Tx.Sridhar. Older rockets,why training? Surely before their sell-by dates we can send them in the direction of the ungodly across
our western border.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Nov 2020 12:48

Adding guidance reduces available energy in a rocket.
So if range is being increased means the propellant loading is increased too.

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 07 Nov 2020 20:26

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Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 13 Nov 2020 01:40

India To Supply BrahMos Missile To Philippines Amid Rising Tensions With China; Deal Likely To Be Signed Next Year

India is all set to supply the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile to the Philippines at a time when tensions with China are rising due to its aggressive posture along the Line of Actual Control, a report in the Hindustan Times says.
A deal for the sale of the cruise missile to Manila, which has been on the cards for a while now, will be signed next year during a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Rodrigo Duterte next year. The meeting between Modi and Duterte is likely to take place in February 2021.

Raghunathgb · Post by **Raghunathgb** » 13 Nov 2020 18:44

https://twitter.com/TheHemantRout/statu ... 92130?s=19

#BigBreaking #India successfully test fires short range Quick Reaction Surface to Air Missile (#QRSAM) from a defence facility off #Odisha coast. It intercepts a target mid-air. Developed by @DRDO_India the #missile is capable of providing air defence on the move @NewIndianXpress

nam · Post by **nam** » 14 Nov 2020 02:22

Our GaN radars are now coming in...I think this setup will form the foundation for XRSAM. Longer range radar and missile, but the elements remain the same.

I always wondered how these radars are so compact.. we now have the answer.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Nov 2020 23:13

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/132 ... 79424?s=20 ---> Anjani Technoplast's Pressurized Missile Container for Akash missiles.

* Significantly shorter duration to pressure n depressurize the container => Increased combat efficiency.
* Composite extends shelf life multi-folds as compared to the conventional containers.

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/132 ... 08417?s=20 --->

* Inert to moisture that guarantees a longer shelf life of missile and protection of sensitive telemetry.
* Multiple stacking to optimize space use during storage & transit
* Top loading design for easy access at the battlefield
Picture: ATL

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Nov 2020 23:42

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/132 ... 46112?s=20 ---> DRDO's VL-SRSAM....

* Truck Mounted Variant for IAF, will supplement the IAF's Akash SRSAMs.
* Canister based with Vertical Launch Unit for the Navy, will replace the ageing Israeli Barak-1s.
* Hot Launch 8 cell Module VLS unit.
* Expected Range: up to 40km