Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 07 Jun 2022 18:29

S_Madhukar wrote:If the systems are proven then maybe start testing in Arabian Sea from time to time. Impact will be higher as there is more traffic but will help with messaging.

Maybe we misfire the missile towards north Arabian Sea. We can always say sorry

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jun 2022 20:38

K-4 must already be under production because DRDO said this after the January 24, 2020, test: “Last developmental trial of nuclear capable #submarine launched ballistic missile #K4 from an underwater platform off Vizag coast. The #missile successfully fired for a reduced range paving the way for its series production.”

If it is K6, then SFC was unlikely to be involved unless all K6 tests had somehow been completed secretly under the guise of various missile tests. It looks unlikely.

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 07 Jun 2022 22:21

Kersi D wrote:
S_Madhukar wrote:If the systems are proven then maybe start testing in Arabian Sea from time to time. Impact will be higher as there is more traffic but will help with messaging.
Maybe we misfire the missile towards north Arabian Sea. We can always say sorry

you cant do that because there is aircraft and ships in the flight path. GoI wouldn't want to endanger indian lives and look like idiots.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jun 2022 05:12

There is a minimum number of operational tests needed to establish the reliability of the arsenal.
So if one can post the previous SFC tests of A-4 it would be informative.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 08 Jun 2022 05:57

ramana wrote:There is a minimum number of operational tests needed to establish the reliability of the arsenal.
So if one can post the previous SFC tests of A-4 it would be informative.

As per wiki ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agni-IV

Agni-IV has undergone seven tests (incl 06 June 2022), three of which were from the SFC.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jun 2022 11:02

Eight tests of which first three are development. Rest five are user trials.
Need to plot on probability paper.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 09 Jun 2022 01:59

Indranil wrote:
Kakarat wrote: https://twitter.com/HellHoundIN/status/ ... dohcqJ6OmQ
Going by the length of those ATGM canisters, the missile is about 1.2 mtrs long. That missile is <20kgs in weight. Very interesting.

I had speculated that than UAV based version must be in the makes. Turns out that I was right. It is called ULPGM. Seems like Nag Mk2, MPATGM and ULPGM are related.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 09 Jun 2022 11:11

Rakesh wrote:
ramana wrote:There is a minimum number of operational tests needed to establish the reliability of the arsenal.
So if one can post the previous SFC tests of A-4 it would be informative.
As per wiki ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agni-IV

Agni-IV has undergone seven tests (incl 06 June 2022), three of which were from the SFC.

If the trials were carried out by SFC doesnt it mean that the missile is now fully operational ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jun 2022 11:15

Kersi D wrote:If the trials were carried out by SFC doesnt it mean that the missile is now fully operational ?

Yes, operational since 2015.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Jun 2022 11:21

Indranil wrote:
Indranil wrote: Going by the length of those ATGM canisters, the missile is about 1.2 mtrs long. That missile is <20kgs in weight. Very interesting.
I had speculated that than UAV based version must be in the makes. Turns out that I was right. It is called ULPGM. Seems like Nag Mk2, MPATGM and ULPGM are related.

As someone who is not up to date on the Twitter thread. I have the following questions.

1) Would I be correct in understanding form the above, that the original NAG and Namica are dead. But the technological development achived with NAG will be used to develop the Mk2 and that in terms will see service in large numbers?

2) what is the expected development timeline for the project?

3) has a development budget been allotted for the project?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Jun 2022 19:32

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... S96Sitha2A ---> Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam may opt to purchase the Astra missile from India to replace obsolete R-77 missiles in their inventory.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jun 2022 19:53

With the UKR war, attendant Russian economic woes, sanctions etc, we have a good opportunity with these countries.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Jun 2022 19:57

SSridhar wrote:With the UKR war, attendant Russian economic woes, sanctions etc, we have a good opportunity with these countries.

Absolutely. Well said. Ample opportunity here. I really hope our Politicos/Babus don't ham it.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Jun 2022 20:23

https://twitter.com/DarkCruiser12/statu ... S96Sitha2A ---> The making of the navigation system the Ring Laser Gyro for the missile. The making of India's long range ballistic missiles, first ever images from inside India's missile facility. Thanks to this core navigation system, Agni missile has achieved single digit CEP.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 10 Jun 2022 00:48

Pratyush wrote:
Indranil wrote: I had speculated that than UAV based version must be in the makes. Turns out that I was right. It is called ULPGM. Seems like Nag Mk2, MPATGM and ULPGM are related.
As someone who is not up to date on the Twitter thread. I have the following questions.

1) Would I be correct in understanding form the above, that the original NAG and Namica are dead. But the technological development achived with NAG will be used to develop the Mk2 and that in terms will see service in large numbers?

2) what is the expected development timeline for the project?

3) has a development budget been allotted for the project?

1. Incorrect. Nag has undergone changes. But there will be a version in the 40+ kg category. Nag/Helina/Dhruvastra/SANT belong to this category. There capability will be different from the 15+ kg category. Nag Mk2/MPATGM belong to this category. If the warhead is changed, one gets to the ULPGM category. If the propulsion is removed, one gets to the MLPGM category and so on.
2. Don't know
3. Yes, they are fabricating the missiles now.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Jun 2022 06:37

Thanks a lot.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 10 Jun 2022 07:37

But what happened to the NAMICA Indranil?

Plus anyone - Once upon a time we had missile battalions (11 Guards).

Guards is not mechanized.

So question is where does a platform like NAMICA go?

I presume the NAMICA because of the mods was no longer a ICV, in which case I am at a loss as to where these would be employed?

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 11 Jun 2022 11:28

India developing 300km range air-to-air missile
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 65073.html
11 June 2022

India is developing two advanced variants of the Astra beyond visual range air-to-air missiles, with one of them capable of striking targets at a range of 160km, when ready, and the other at almost 300km, senior government officials said on Friday on the condition of anonymity.

The Astra Mk-2 and Mk-3 missiles are likely to be tested next year and in 2024 respectively, and are among the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) key ongoing programmes, said one of the officials cited above.

The current Astra Mk-1 variant has a range of around 100km.

The defence ministry on May 31 signed a ₹2,971-crore contract with Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) to equip the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy with Astra Mk-1 missiles and associated equipment, which was seen as a shot in the arm for “Atmanirbharta”, or self-reliance, in the defence manufacturing sector.

DRDO has transferred technology to BDL for the production of the Astra Mk-1 and associated systems.

“Future air combat will be about detecting and striking targets at the farthest possible range. It will be the outcome of increase in the detection ranges of radars and the advent of longer-range missiles. It is important for India to develop missiles like Astra Mk-2 and Mk-3 to meet IAF’s requirements,” said Air Marshal Anil Chopra (retd), director general, Centre for Airpower Studies.

China has developed the PL-15 beyond visual range air-to-air missile that can hit targets at around 200km, while the Meteor with a range of around 160 km is considered the best in its class in the western world, and the new Astra variants will put India in the big league, he added.

The Astra Mk-1 missile has been fully integrated with the Sukhoi-30 fighters and will now add to the capabilities of other combat planes including the Tejas light combat aircraft, the officials said. Also, the navy’s MiG-29K fighters, which operate from India’s sole aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, will be equipped with the Astra Mk-1 missile.

The ongoing Russia-Ukraine crisis has exposed India’s overwhelming dependence on imported weaponry, especially from Russia, and underlined the urgent need for speeding up the indigenisation drive to become self-reliant.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jun 2022 17:51

India will have its first hypersonic missile in five-six years: BrahMos Aerospace CEO
Excerpts

India-Russia defence Joint Venture BrahMos Aerospace is capable of making hypersonic missiles and will be able to have its first such missile in five to six years, BrahMos Aerospace informed on Monday.

"BrahMos Aerospace is capable of making hypersonic missiles. In five to six years, we will be able to have our first hypersonic missile by BrahMos," said Atul Rane, CEO and MD, BrahMos Aerospace while speaking at an event over the commencement of 'Silver Jubilee Year' celebration (1998-2023) to mark the incredible journey of one of India's most successful, cutting-edge military partnership programmes that has produced the world's best, fastest and most powerful modern precision strike weapon BrahMos.

Charting out the course for the next phase of this ambitious journey, the JV has started work on its new, state-of-the-art BRAHMOS manufacturing centre to come up in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh as part of the UP Defence Industrial Corridor (UPDIC) Project.

On June 3, Prime Minister Narendra Modi performed a ground-breaking ceremony to mark the initiation of all major industrial projects under the UPDIC, including the setting up of the dedicated BrahMos facility which would design, develop and produce the highly advanced BRAHMOS Next-Generation (NG) weapon system.

Once fully operational, this dedicated facility will produce 80-100 BrahMos systems every year.

Work on the BRAHMOS-NG missile has also progressed and it would be ready for serial production in the next three to five years. The BRAHMOS-NG manufacturing centre would further bolster the Missile Industry Consortium in India and help galvanise the defence ecosystem for high-end missile technology. It would also position India as one of the top-ranking defence technology centres in the world.

A Deshmukh · Post by **A Deshmukh** » 13 Jun 2022 18:34

Don't they say 5-6 more years, every year?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jun 2022 22:30

It is a different missile.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2022 08:17

A Deshmukh wrote:Don't they say 5-6 more years, every year?

Maybe he was referring to a production version in six years? Let's hope so at least.

According to a Jane’s report in June 2018, “ According to Kumar Mishra, General Director and Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace JV, the Russian Zircon and BrahMos-2 missiles have unified engines and all technologies in the field of the power plant, while the guidance system, software, glider and MSA are developed separately for each of the products .

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 14 Jun 2022 12:02

There are literally zero field-deployed hypersonic cruise missiles anywhere in the world. Russia claims Zircon is ready but one hasn't seen its deployment.

So, if we create a production ready version 5-6 years from now, that'll be quite phenomenal.

Brahmos-NG is a different missile, of course and is crucial because it will fit into a wide variety of platforms, including the Tejas-Mk2. So, I hope that project is on track

On a different note, saw a report that said that the first test of Astra-Mk2 was postponed to 2023 (this after another report last month claimed that it was planned to be tested this month itself!). Clear as mud.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jun 2022 12:48

Could be the weight issue for Astra Mk2.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 14 Jun 2022 15:31

Because of the dual-pulse-motor & additional fuel for the larger range?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Jun 2022 17:43

https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... pZqkr08LSg ---> Wind Tunnel Model of Supersonic Target Missile (STAR).

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 14 Jun 2022 18:10

Really like the booster design of SFDR AND how it is being tested out along with the AAM. It is like from day1, someone in DRDO leadership decided to have a SAM version like the european Aster system along with the obvious objective of a very long range air to air missile. Past practice world over has been the designers to sit down after the AAM has been proofed and operationally deployed.

This will make a very good and compact navalized long range SAM for even corvettes.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 14 Jun 2022 21:02

Prem Kumar wrote:There are literally zero field-deployed hypersonic cruise missiles anywhere in the world. Russia claims Zircon is ready but one hasn't seen its deployment.

Russia claims to use a hypersonic missile in attack on arms depot in Ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/19/us/p ... claim.html

John · Post by **John** » 15 Jun 2022 03:46

Jay wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:There are literally zero field-deployed hypersonic cruise missiles anywhere in the world. Russia claims Zircon is ready but one hasn't seen its deployment.
Russia claims to use a hypersonic missile in attack on arms depot in Ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/19/us/p ... claim.html

That’s Kinzhal just an air launched ballistic missile.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jun 2022 03:11

Prthvi 2 missile tested by SFC. BRF ignored but I used to think Prithvi ' s by now will start retiring, but apparently since SFC is using them they are part of our Nuke deterent.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 66031.html

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 16 Jun 2022 03:32

Prithvi tested? Cant even yawn to that!!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jun 2022 11:13

Prithvi II by SFC, I thought the Agni series would have completely taken over this, Prithvi's can be used by Indian Army Rocket forces.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 16 Jun 2022 15:08

Amazing the progress we have made from the IGMDP. Super proud of our scientists and the production we have going. Lesson is it takes about 25 years with sub to decent funding for a program to become fully independent and cutting edge.

Need to focus on weaponised drones, cheap anti sat, cheap artillery and protection for soldiers.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 16 Jun 2022 16:36

Aditya_V wrote:Prthvi 2 missile tested by SFC. BRF ignored but I used to think Prithvi ' s by now will start retiring, but apparently since SFC is using them they are part of our Nuke deterent.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 66031.html

We would never know if it was Prithvi or something else and called as "Prithvi test"

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 18 Jun 2022 08:20

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReviewVayu/s ... 8933634049

Images of SAAW, 1000 Lbs HE, 500 KG GP and 250 KG HSLD bombs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2022 08:28

Kersi Its tested by SFC which is the operational arm.
This means it is Prithvi-2.
If it was DRDO you could be right.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2022 08:29

Thakur, What's the status of the IGB series of heavy bombs?
Is the development completed and production started?

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 18 Jun 2022 08:37

Gaurav/Gautam/Garuda/Garuthma are still undergoing testing Ramana.

Nikhil_Naya · Post by **Nikhil_Naya** » 18 Jun 2022 18:16

Got some good paanwaalah info recently, however paanwallah has heard it from the Mysore Bonda seller, so please use your own discretion.
- We are close to relaunch of 'LRCM' some basic redesign, redundancy in control systems - the Inde Micro TF has been thoroughly tested (inflight?) across multiple scenarios and some startup is also involved now
- A new missile (AA) is in the works with HOBS capability
- A Copper Dome type concept is being worked on with ability to bring down UAV's cheaply.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jun 2022 21:04

Nikhil_Naya wrote: - We are close to relaunch of 'LRCM' some basic redesign, redundancy in control systems - the Inde Micro TF has been thoroughly tested (inflight?) across multiple scenarios and some startup is also involved now

Nice to hear that. It was announced (in Lucknow DefExpo 2020?) that LRLACM would be tested by c. 2023. Manik has matured. So, LRLACM would be a 3-stage CM with 1500 Km range.

A new missile (AA) is in the works with HOBS capability

I thought that Astra Mk 1 already had a very good HOBS. If it is going to be even better than that, there is nothing like that.