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Karan M wrote:Schrodingers MIRV. Let it remain as such.
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In this kind of test, is the nuclear payload recovered from the ocean?
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vera_k wrote:In this kind of test, is the nuclear payload recovered from the ocean?
SAF is fully excercised. Warhead using non fissile core. So it disintegrates due to fission explosives lenses and the very high > 15 Mach speed.
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Allah to be praised, was it Agni V or Agni VI ?
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@Ramana: According to the US Stratcom chief, China is making rapid strides in missile defence as well. So, if India's deterrent is to have a reasonable capability of leaking through that shield (which may be farther ahead than we expect), MIRVs ASAP are a must. Single warhead missiles will not make the cut.
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We also have to start work on a HGV (Hypersonic Glide Vehicle).

If we are lacking the MIRV capability as yet the next meaningful show of strength which will be taken note of, is when a K5 launch happens in its full operational configuration (not from a pontoon). This is at a minimum 5 years away. So successful demonstration of MIRV/MARV capability is required as soon as possible.
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PRC is an industrialised nation for last more than 2 decades and yet till now I am not aware of any breakthrough technologies that have emerged from that land. Even Taiwan and SK have notable strides in some particular fields - but not PRC. So how can they develop a space-based missile defense that USA is scared of ?
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rsingh wrote:Allah to be praised, was it Agni V or Agni VI ?
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All of China now comes under the aegis of Agni V and that is the *PUBLISHED* range released by DRDO. So much for the threat to the Dibrugarh refinery, Barauni refinery or Haldia petrochemical complex :mrgreen:
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https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 45863?s=20 ---> Signature legacy piece on India's Agni-V ICBM as a system by our founder @SJha1618. Last evening's test marks the operationalization of this system.

Successful Pre-induction Trial of India’s Agni-V Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Takes It Closer To Deployment
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https://twitter.com/TheHemantRout/statu ... 22661?s=20 ---> India conducts 1st night trial of its most potent longest range nuke capable intercontinental range ballistic missile Agni-V from a defence facility off Odisha coast. The successful launch was in line with its commitment to ‘No First Use’ policy.

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Rakesh wrote:Chetak-ji, can you please provide the source of this image?

All of China now comes under the aegis of Agni V and that is the *PUBLISHED* range released by DRDO. So much for the threat to the Dibrugarh refinery, Barauni refinery or Haldia petrochemical complex :mrgreen:
Saar, don't believe "published" ranges

It is much more than what is usually stated, mainly as a conversation starter to help the hans focus better when they arrive for polite drawing room tête-à-têtes
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All the answers is in this interview..
180 degree global coverage, MIRV, carrier killer..
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chetak wrote:Saar, don't believe "published" ranges

It is much more than what is usually stated, mainly as a conversation starter to help the hans focus better when they arrive for polite drawing room tête-à-têtes
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https://twitter.com/nitingokhale/status ... 85041?s=20 ---> Agni-5 test done once again. Interesting timing. Signaling. According to @SpokespersonMoD successful launch happened at 1950 hours tonight. Details follow.

https://twitter.com/nitingokhale/status ... 75625?s=20 ---> Key Highlights: Agni-5 capable of striking targets up to 5,000 kilometers with very high degree of accuracy; Uses a three-stage solid fueled engine; Successful launch in line with India’s policy of ‘credible minimum deterrence’ that underpins commitment to ‘No First Use’: MoD.

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/14 ... 11842?s=20 ---> India has successfully developed the road-mobile, over 5,000-km-range Agni-5 missile with a 1.5-ton warhead as part of its nuclear deterrent. It is now working to equip it with multiple independently targetable warheads. Today's flight test might have involved a MIRVed version.

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Rakesh wrote:
chetak wrote:Saar, don't believe "published" ranges

It is much more than what is usually stated, mainly as a conversation starter to help the hans focus better when they arrive for polite drawing room tête-à-têtes
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Saar,

many thanks for inserting the link

my bad

will take care in future onlee
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5 figure distance and mirv were solved before asat test itself. Whatever comes in the press doesn't matter. Those who need to know what India can do know it as well and have wet their pants. Revived Quad participation etc happened not out of love but out of respect. Nuff said.
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Karan M wrote:Schrodingers MIRV. Let it remain as such.
How does it help us to hide this capability if we do possess it? This is our deterrent isn't it? The stronger/more sophisticated it seems the more it deters.
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nachiket wrote:
Karan M wrote:Schrodingers MIRV. Let it remain as such.
How does it help us to hide this capability if we do possess it? This is our deterrent isn't it? The stronger/more sophisticated it seems the more it deters.
We have limited resources so unlike the US it's harder for us to constantly iterate our systems. Strategic ambiguity serves us at times by allowing our opponents to believe they have systems that can counter ours while ours are more sophisticated than they've invested in developing countermeasures for.
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So happy to see Chander sir again.

I really feel bad for him. He is one man who did not get his due in recognition.
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Cyrano wrote:5 figure distance and mirv were solved before asat test itself. Whatever comes in the press doesn't matter. Those who need to know what India can do know it as well and have wet their pants. Revived Quad participation etc happened not out of love but out of respect. Nuff said.

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Karan M wrote:Schrodingers MIRV. Let it remain as such.
Ha! I like it. 8)
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dinesha wrote:All the answers is in this interview... 180 degree global coverage, MIRV..
Also, Dr. AC mentioned CEP less than 10 metres. (where's the Thumbs Up emoji when you need it? :(( ).

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Dr Chander confirming our speculation that Agni 1P is a ASBM.

The 2K KM range fits the distance from mainland to A&N islands. The fins and what looks like seeker window on the missile.

And why would you create a composite missile if it is meant only for a land launch? There is no dearth of space on land. Unless you want to put it on a warship.

Composite based, compact and not very tall, fits in well on a warship. I am also speculating this will be the height of BMD Phase 2 missile rounds. They will become our SM2/3/6
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/TheHemantRout/statu ... 22661?s=20 ---> India conducts 1st night trial of its most potent longest range nuke capable intercontinental range ballistic missile Agni-V from a defence facility off Odisha coast. The successful launch was in line with its commitment to ‘No First Use’ policy.

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oh, the biggest indicator that A1P is coming on a ship -> the cold launch.
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Scenario: India does an openly advertised MaRV test

The thing about worrying about whether the opponents go for reciprocal measures would be good in Indias case. India can force a military polarisation against the Paki China combine. Imagine Pakis testing MIRVs, you can very imagine what western powers would do in that context!!

Comments/opinions ?
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Nothing, Wonder why Paki Missiles are capped at around 1000KM instead of the best of Paki claims, cause nobody from UAE to SAUDI are going to tolerate it.

When the M-9/M-11 missile were exported it was expected India did not have a Nuke and Delivery capability. Pakistan could split India like the USSR collapsed and against Mujahids- the whole story went south slowly.

Pakistan is supported as long as it is Anti India- it will not be given tools to Blackmail anyone else.
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kit wrote:Scenario: India does an openly advertised MaRV test

The thing about worrying about whether the opponents go for reciprocal measures would be good in Indias case. India can force a military polarisation against the Paki China combine. Imagine Pakis testing MIRVs, you can very imagine what western powers would do in that context!!

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we already have the tech, the means, and one agency has demonstrated this process multiple times already

for the other agency, it's a little more than screwdriver giri and adaption

why invite trouble needlessly. what do you stand to gain and what soooper doooper tech are you demonstrating that others already don't know about

hold your cards close to the chest and watch your opponents like a hawk
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Aditya_V wrote:Nothing, Wonder why Paki Missiles are capped at around 1000KM instead of the best of Paki claims, cause nobody from UAE to SAUDI are going to tolerate it.

When the M-9/M-11 missile were exported it was expected India did not have a Nuke and Delivery capability. Pakistan could split India like the USSR collapsed and against Mujahids- the whole story went south slowly.

Pakistan is supported as long as it is Anti India- it will not be given tools to Blackmail anyone else.
if the paki have long range missiles in their arsenal, who is/are the target(s)

the long ranges will make a lot of countries quite jittery because the paki intentions will be called into question and the fact the paki govt is run by jehadis is not lost on anyone.

life will become very difficult for bajwa-niazi and company, just like it is for north korea and niazi will have to get himself a buzzcut to look the part
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chetak wrote: for the other agency, it's a little more than screwdriver giri and adaption


They've developed what they have independently. Many tests, iterations etc for whatever they have.
why invite trouble needlessly. what do you stand to gain and what soooper doooper tech are you demonstrating that others already don't know about

hold your cards close to the chest and watch your opponents like a hawk
True. Run silent, run deep.
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Nearly all of Indian ships don't even have enough SAMs and cruise missiles on them. Which ship we have can carry more than one ballistic missile if it is somehow given approval?
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jamwal wrote:Nearly all of Indian ships don't even have enough SAMs and cruise missiles on them. Which ship we have can carry more than one ballistic missile if it is somehow given approval?
Does it need to be on a ship ?
It covers most of the IOR and into SC sea from the land mass

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https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 11968?s=20 ---> Agni 1P could hit moving targets, says Dr Chander. 1,000 - 2,000 km, looks like PLA-N aircraft carriers.

https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 37153?s=20 ---> Dr Chander is the father of Agni 5.

VIDEO: https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 09442?s=20 ----> Dr Chander telling Agni1P could hit moving targets, like Chinese AC.

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I have edited the tweet below for better readability. If you want to see the original tweet, please click on the link below.

https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 83396?s=20 ---> So 2,000 km. Chinese Navy, which is officially PLA-N, if tries to bring its AC in...the PLAN will see Agni-II (which is now Agni1P) with a Mach 22 warhead, raining on it. With that speed, Agni doesn't need explosives to sink the AC.

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I cannot verify the claims of the tweet below. Posting it regardless.

https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 54980?s=20 ---> To spook Chinese PLAN further, put the test of Agni1P from a warship next time. Our warships have in-built stability against high waves to for up to 20-30 degree compensation. Fire it from canisters.

https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 01281?s=20 ---> I think Mach 22 will cause more damage than that video clip in the movie shows. We have seen what Brahmos Mach 2 could do to a ship, it goes from one side and comes out from the other. Mach 22 will break AC into two or more parts.

Then he asked Haridas-ji for his comments. See this tweet below.

https://twitter.com/HaridasKukkur/statu ... 32708?s=20 ---> Answer lies in how much can a heavy ship move during the flight time of a IRBM to cover 2,000 Km versus MaRV envelop or a HGV envelop. Next, how the vehicle gets location of target with high confidence and its position & velocity vector. And ultimately overcome ship defense.
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https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/140 ... 00544?s=20 ---> Here comes the... boom! The DRDO developed 2,000 km range Agni P canisterized medium range ballistic missile (MRBM) was successfully tested just a while ago. That is the way forward, certainly. Basically, an equivalent to late DF-21 variants. Maybe better.

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kit wrote:
Does it need to be on a ship ?
It covers most of the IOR and into SC sea from the land mass
Of course it doesn't, except in movies. That's what I am saying. Only naval ballistic missiles we will have, will be carried by SSBNs, atleast for next few decades. Ship based ballistic missiles are perhaps possible on ships of displacement 10 t or more. Not even the largest ships we have now like the Kolkata class can carry them.

Majority of these twitter handles are either just repost stuff from journalists in different words or make up stuff for obvious reasons. Dhanush platform was developed for a much smaller and lighter liquid fueled Prithvi. Even that was never inducted. How can you fire a much heavier and bigger missile using the same platform?
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Dhanush was inducted on the OPVs. Three ships as I recall.
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How hard would it be to port the Agni P RV capacity to the K4 or K 15.

That system should be capable of being fitted on the notional P18. Or the future P15C. If we decide to have a cheaper counter part to the P18.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1453 ... 01281?s=20 ---> I think Mach 22 will cause more damage than that video clip in the movie shows. We have seen what Brahmos Mach 2 could do to a ship, it goes from one side and comes out from the other. Mach 22 will break AC into two or more parts.
The twitter handle seems to be erroneously conflating atmospheric reentry velocity (20K - 25K ft/sec as an estimate with certain assumptions) of a long range ICBM with the velocity of impact (on target) of a maneuvering, guided, networked warhead of a MRBM ranged (2,000 km) ASBM. Something like a DF-21 with its MRBM range is going to re-enter closer to Mach 12 range and then will decelerate need to slow down for networking (if present), maneuvering, and to give time for a non horizon seeker to detect and solve for any errors. You are probably looking at a Mach 7-9 terminal speed with perfect guidance, with perfect networking and persistent ISR. If you have to design a more maneuverable vehicle with a different guidance concept and ISR then you may need to go slower (use a H-BGV for example which allows you more terminal maneuverability and more precise seekers that can be used at lower altitudes for longer).
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