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There was a post by IR, sometime ago about a CCM. This HOBS could be that missile.
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SSridhar wrote:
Nikhil_Naya wrote: - We are close to relaunch of 'LRCM' some basic redesign, redundancy in control systems - the Inde Micro TF has been thoroughly tested (inflight?) across multiple scenarios and some startup is also involved now
Nice to hear that. It was announced (in Lucknow DefExpo 2020?) that LRLACM would be tested by c. 2023. Manik has matured. So, LRLACM would be a 3-stage CM with 1500 Km range.
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thats about the longest range for any cruise missile., hows this going to get mid-flight updates for moving targets? or better in flight re targeting ?
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Thakur_B wrote:Gaurav/Gautam/Garuda/Garuthma are still undergoing testing Ramana.
Sad, how much more testing to satisfy IAF? Especially when Hammer was tested just 4 times in different configurations!
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Pratyush wrote:There was a post by IR, sometime ago about a CCM. This HOBS could be that missile.

Astra IR
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What's HOBS?
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ramana wrote:What's HOBS?
High Off-Bore Sight (i.e. ability to target objects at a high off-bore sight angle).
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Thanks
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ramana wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:Gaurav/Gautam/Garuda/Garuthma are still undergoing testing Ramana.
Sad, how much more testing to satisfy IAF? Especially when Hammer was tested just 4 times in different configurations!
Govinda is still left out

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100th Launcher for the IAF version of Akaksh delivered by Tata Advanced Systems. have also delivered 49 launchers for the IA version of the Akash.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/ta ... 8794fc8fa8

"Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) and Larsen and Toubro (L&T) on Tuesday jointly delivered the 100th Akash Air Force Launcher (AAFL) for the Indian Air Force, developed with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The event was flagged off by BHVS Narayana Murthy, the Director General, Missiles and Strategic Systems (DG-MSS) of the DRDO at TASL's Vemagal facility in Karnataka. The event was participated by Bharat Electronics Ltd, Missile Systems Quality Assurance Agency, L&T and multiple MSME partners in the programme. TASL has also supplied 49 Akash Launchers earlier to the Indian Army.

Sukaran Singh, the managing director and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of TASL said, "The successful delivery of the 100th AAFL is a major milestone for TASL and the Indian defence manufacturing sector. It marks the successful establishment of serial production after completing product development. The repeat order of AAFL being executed shows the user's continued satisfaction and confidence in the operational performance of the indigenously developed and produced AAFL system."
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https://idrw.org/asibal-anti-tank-missi ... roduction/

The VEM and Munitions India limited JV man portable anti tank guided missile seems to be ready for production as per the report.
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srin wrote:VL-SRSAM tested from warship.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/indi ... e-92432165
So these can take over from Barak-1 as the Anti ship missiles?
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Aditya_V wrote:
srin wrote:VL-SRSAM tested from warship.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/indi ... e-92432165
So these can take over from Barak-1 as the Anti ship missiles?
Yes Barak-1 will be replaced by VL-SRSAM as former isn’t quite capable of intercepting supersonic missiles. The test was done from a Rajput class.
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Testing from a ship means that the programs has advanced substantially. The land based tests should have been completed. Hopefully the missile gets ready for production by next year.
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https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status ... q-dPL8_HEA
Congratulations to DRDO, Indian Navy & the industry for the successful flight test of Vertical Launch Short Range Surface to Air Missile off the coast of Chandipur, Odisha. This success will further enhance the defence capability of Indian Naval Ships against the aerial threats.
Looks like a Rajput class
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Not only was it ship-launched, but it also intercepted a real sea-skimming target (probably Banshee). Given that this is only the 2nd publicized test, that's a significant level of maturity in a very short amount of time!!
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Prem Kumar wrote:Not only was it ship-launched, but it also intercepted a real sea-skimming target (probably Banshee). Given that this is only the 2nd publicized test, that's a significant level of maturity in a very short amount of time!!
Yeap and if you notice it’s hot launch but VLS cells do look different than ones for Barak-1 or 8 so would yet another launcher for them. I suspect they will be fitted on all vessels including P-17a and P-15a/b those are likely to get 2x16 cell launchers.
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Looking at the video, apart from initial burst when launching from inside the tube, the VLSRSAM seems to have smokeless propellent like Astra
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From Prasar Bharati
DRDO’s surface to air missile successfully flight-tested; to bolster Navy’s defence capabilities

Capable of neutralising various aerial threats, Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) successfully flight-tested Vertical Launch Surface to Air Missile (VL-SRSAM) from an Indian Naval Ship (INS) at Integrated Test Range (ITR), Chandipur off the coast of Odisha.

The short-range VL-SRSAM missile is a ship borne weapon system, which is meant for neutralising various aerial threats at close ranges including sea-skimming targets.

https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status ... a9J2QTrboA

“This success will further enhance the defence capability of Indian Naval Ships against the aerial threats,” Defence Minister Rajnath Singh tweeted while congratulating DRDO and the Indian Navy.

It is noteworthy that the missile launch was conducted against a high speed aerial target mimicking aircraft, which was successfully engaged. Further, the flight path of the vehicle along with health parameters were monitored by senior officials from DRDO & Indian Navy using a number of tracking instruments deployed by launch site.

Deciphering VL-SRSAM

Designed and developed jointly by DRDO’s three facilities for deployment in the Indian Naval warships, the missile has the capability of eliminating numerous aerial threats including sea-skimming targets.

Notably, the tactic of sea skimming is used by various anti-ship missiles and some fighter jets to avoid being detected by the radars onboard warships. For this, these assets fly as close as possible to sea surface and thus are difficult to detect and get eliminated.

Coming to the firepower, the missile can strike at the high-speed airborne targets at the range of 40 to 50 km and at an altitude of around 15 km.

Salient features

Importantly, the two key features of the VL-SRSAM are cruciform wings and thrust vectoring. The cruciform wings consist of four small wings arranged like a cross on four sides and give the projective a stable aerodynamic posture. The thrust vectoring is an ability to manipulate the direction of the thrust from its engine control.

It is important to note that a warship has to employ numerous defence mechanisms to protect itself from anti-ship missiles and adversary aircrafts.

One of the age-old methods is chaffs, which is a countermeasure technology used worldwide to protect naval ships from enemy’s radar and Radio Frequency (RF) missile seekers. The second method includes the deployment of missiles to counter Anti Ship missiles.

These systems have to have a swift detection mechanism, high speed, quick response, and high manoeuvrability and VL-SRSAM claims to have all these qualities.
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Interesting details. Is the 40-50 Km range and 15 Km altitude true? That's a very long range for a CIWS style missile

Also, didn't see any launch videos. Only photos.
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Thrust Vectoring very good - it will be very useful for any HOBS, Astra can have a whole family of Missiles

1) Naval VLSSRAM, VL MSRAM
2) Airforce and Naval aircraft Astra 1, Astra IR HOBS, ASTRA 2 and SFDCR
3) Army and Airforce SAMS as a successor to AKASH
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Yes, the high maneuverability will aid in the Astra-IR development

Seems like VL-SRSAM might have both LOAL and LOBL ability (if its claimed 40 Km range is true, then it needs both). Not sure how LOBL works in a canisterized missile in a ship. But I can see why that'd be important for a quick-reaction missile
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It does have both LOAL and LOBL.
During mid-course flight, the VL-SRSAM missile uses a fibre-optic, gyroscope-based, inertial guidance mechanism. With-lock-on-before-launch (LOBL) and lock-on-after-launch (LOAL) capability, the missile receives mid-course update via datalink. Then, in the terminal phase, the missile switches to active radar homing.
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We made brahmos and then put it everywhere - on land, ships & planes.
Astra is already going everywhere - from planes to land & ship systems.
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Looks like the reach of Indian sensor shoot systems / real time targeting are extending quite further from the mainland ..without much publicity
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Prem Kumar wrote:Interesting details. Is the 40-50 Km range and 15 Km altitude true? That's a very long range for a CIWS style missile

Also, didn't see any launch videos. Only photos.
Not sure seeing a lot of range figures getting thrown around probably best not to speculate till official range figure is released.

As for LOBL that seems to be incorrectly attributed to VL SRSAM IMO I think journalists are confusing this with QRSAM.
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Looks like finally Trishul has succeeded.
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Out of respect, they should call the system as Trishul
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srin wrote:VL-SRSAM tested from warship.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/indi ... e-92432165
Doesn't it look like an earlier version of Astra, which apparent;ly never went into service / production ?
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Generally for air to air missiles adapted for ground or ship launched role, the range is about 25% of the max air to air range.
If the VLSRSAM is based on Astra-MK1, then the amx range of the missile should be about 25-27 Kms. This was the range that was speculated before as well. The 40-50 Kms max range seems to be too high. That would put in the Medium Range or MR bracket rather then SR.
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In Making Indigenous Anti-tank Missile, Hyderabad Firm Plays a Key Role
June 24, 2022
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“It has been under development for the past few years in association with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and public sector Munitions India Ltd. supplying the warhead, it is undergoing tests at different places. Once final approvals are in place, we can go for production. We have the licence to develop 10,000 tactile missiles a year,” said founder, chairman and managing director V. Venkat Raju.
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Kersi D wrote:
srin wrote:VL-SRSAM tested from warship.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/indi ... e-92432165
Doesn't it look like an earlier version of Astra, which apparent;ly never went into service / production ?
Looks exactly like Astra to me with added TVC but I am not expert at this so I may be wrong, older version of Astra did not have delta wing like this.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... est-fired/

I do expect ER version of this fitted with a booster perhaps offered for IA and IAF.
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DRDO, Indian Army successfully test indigeniously-developed anti-tank missile
The DRDO and the Indian Army successfully tested indigenously-developed anti-tank guided missile at KK range in Ahmednagar, Maharashtra, on Tuesday, the defence ministry said. The anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) was successfully test fired from Arjun battle tank, the ministry's statement noted.

"In the test, the ATGM hit the bull's eye with textbook precision and successfully defeated the target at minimum ranges. Telemetry systems recorded the satisfactory flight performance of the missile," it mentioned.

Engaging the targets at lower ranges is a challenge due to the dimensional constraints of tank-launched ATGMs, which has been successfully accomplished by the ATGM for Arjun tank, it noted.

"With the trial, the ATGM's capability to engage targets from minimum to maximum range has been established. Earlier the trials have been successful for maximum range," it mentioned.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has congratulated the DRDO and Indian Army for the successful trial of the ATGM, the statement noted.
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While its great, I really don't know why the DRDO bothers to build these for the Arjun. Its a dead-end.

Is this an upgraded version of the CLGM/SAMHO? Hope they build a UAV/Helicopter-launched version. It might have a better future there
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Prem Kumar wrote:While its great, I really don't know why the DRDO bothers to build these for the Arjun. Its a dead-end.

Is this an upgraded version of the CLGM/SAMHO? Hope they build a UAV/Helicopter-launched version. It might have a better future there
Can't this missile also be used in T-90s? I know Reflex seems to plagued with issues see 2020 failed public demo.
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Prem Kumar wrote:While its great, I really don't know why the DRDO bothers to build these for the Arjun. Its a dead-end.

Is this an upgraded version of the CLGM/SAMHO? Hope they build a UAV/Helicopter-launched version. It might have a better future there
The missile during the early test phase was designed for both tripod mount and helicopter application as well.

Going by memory the missile was to have 9 shot launcher for LCH.

Given that, it should be relatively easy for it to be added to UAV as well.
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Prem Kumar wrote:While its great, I really don't know why the DRDO bothers to build these for the Arjun. Its a dead-end.

Is this an upgraded version of the CLGM/SAMHO? Hope they build a UAV/Helicopter-launched version. It might have a better future there
Because a fleet of 248 heavy tanks is not exactly miniscule and represents a considerable investment of funds, engineering effort and has a huge role to play in terms of user perception. The UK, French all operate similar numbers of MBTs, despite their much larger budgets.
The Arjun needs these rounds for taking out modern heavy armor. We are lagging in KE rounds due to IA stoppage of R&D work on KE rounds post the fiasco with Mk1 FSAPDS. Till we catch up, we need missiles. And this rounds development offers us a springing board to do something for the T-90 as well, plus develop, as you said, air-launched or even other variants.
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If we can transport Arjuns to Depsang plains, then some 100 of them can be game-changer.
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Prem Kumar wrote:While its great, I really don't know why the DRDO bothers to build these for the Arjun. Its a dead-end.

Is this an upgraded version of the CLGM/SAMHO? Hope they build a UAV/Helicopter-launched version. It might have a better future there

Typically clgms are launched from smooth bore cannons. Since Arjun has a rifled cannon drdo had to develop this solution.
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Rakesh, once the thread reaches 150 pages let's start a new one.

Others can start also and let admins close this.
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