Kartik, issue is if the PAF lobbed their AMRAAMs from a perch, they may have got a significant range boost.
Straight out of the USAF BVR playbook (they do this using F-22s and AESA equipped F-15s). 100 marks for theory, zero for execution, because the USAF would have done a series of expensive tests against every use case, different ranges, speeds of target, profiles, w and w/o EW.
Our PAF herrows can't afford all that, so they just did an extrapolation from their user manuals and tried to play F-22.
But with that kind of range differential (supersonic F-22s get ~30% boost at height), doubtful even Derby ER can manage such a situation.
Solid points about Mica vs AMRAAM, Astra.
Kartik wrote:I wouldn't start shooting the messenger yet. Vishnu's not doing anything but informing people of the likelihood of the I-Derby ER BVRAAM being integrated on the Su-30MKI. We were similarly skeptical of Shiv Aroor's claim on the ASRAAM being integrated with the Tejas and now it that news is confirmed to be true.
Besides which, we already were well aware of the R-77's limitations. and about Russian ware not meeting advertised specs. Nothing new here. Except this was a real shooting encounter and no longer an academic discussion. And the IAF is fully aware of what really transpired and will have to act on recommendations coming out of the internal studies on the encounter.
This may not be a bad thing for a stop-gap arrangement, till the Astra Mk2 or SFDR results in a deployable weapon. And in fact it is this weapon that should be there on the Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A and not the older Derby. At least till Astra comes into serial production.
Leaves me feeling uneasy about the other air defence fighter that has no option but to continue using the R-77- our 3 squadrons of MiG-29UPGs likely to be supplemented by another squadron. Why hasn't the IAF prioritized integrating this type with the Astra? Same goes for the Mirage-2000I upgrade..the MICA-EM is not even as long ranged as the R-77. Will give the first shot advantage to the PAF's F-16s with the AIM-120C5.