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Jay wrote:Oh good. we only have been sitting on our behind for 2 decades now, another 3 or 5 years would be nothing. We will bullshit about Weight of Arjun and how awesome T90's are while sipping Vodka and endlessly doing these Summer, Winter, Monsoon trials. Its absolutely depressing how incompetent out armor procurement, planning, and deployment is. God help us if there is a conflict and Pakis get a hand on these Javelins, NLAWS or similar armament.
Exactly no modern tank can withstand ATGM hits and expensive APS can not be installed fleetwise. What we are witnessing in Ukraine is platform itself is not at fault. issue is with tactics , situational awareness and the "will" to fight of the attacking force. India have invested exactly on Vetronics replacing Russian with Indian , western Israeli where ever possible. It's another case Arjun getting stepmotherly treatment .

Example , hepter shot down , here tactics might be all ok but sensors like DIRCM would have saved many. See here the platform is robust but lacking sensors which can be retrofitted. Indian T90 have Thales TI , drdo/ bel FCS , commaders TI etc. If you compare orginal Russian thermal imaging sights , our sights are significantly better.
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https://twitter.com/bsdhanoa/status/150 ... V3DYCIvSOQ ---> Early this morning a unique Cavalier, Brigadier Balbir Singh Sandhu, 20L, 8 Cav, passed away in his sleep. He was fondly called Spanner Sandhu for his penchant for opening a tank’s wheel nuts with his fingers. He was a pioneer in getting the IA to introduce the Arjun tank. RIP Sir.
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Jay wrote: Oh good. we only have been sitting on our behind for 2 decades now, another 3 or 5 years would be nothing. We will bullshit about Weight of Arjun and how awesome T90's are while sipping Vodka and endlessly doing these Summer, Winter, Monsoon trials. Its absolutely depressing how incompetent out armor procurement, planning, and deployment is. God help us if there is a conflict and Pakis get a hand on these Javelins, NLAWS or similar armament.
of course not, money too plays an important role, add Chandigarh lobby to the mix.
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Atmavik wrote:
niran wrote:gentle folks all of you have forgotten NE, Light tanks is for NE Burma terrain is noodle bowl like the low plain is soft ground thick forest with streams rivers every 3kms, notice integrated MLRS and Tube art with UAV unit, these are to defent any attack light tanks with APCs are for counter attacking and or chasing PLA into Xinxiang military zone on Thailand Cheen border.
Of many years on Brf this the first I am reading abt an armored battle to be fought by us in Burma.

Let’s cover our main theaters first.
:D :D saar, you can't say to your enemy "am covering main theater attack over there not here" can you :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/bsdhanoa/status/150 ... V3DYCIvSOQ ---> Early this morning a unique Cavalier, Brigadier Balbir Singh Sandhu, 20L, 8 Cav, passed away in his sleep. He was fondly called Spanner Sandhu for his penchant for opening a tank’s wheel nuts with his fingers. He was a pioneer in getting the IA to introduce the Arjun tank. RIP Sir.
Best way to depart. RIP sir....you did awesome!
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Bharat Forge developing light tank, prototype to be ready next year.
What is your thought on the light tank? On the fact that your foundation is so strong in this area and again, it is an extension. Indian Army has let out a RFI and Light tank is such an urgency for the mountain corps division.

Baba Kalyani: Just wait for a year. You will see a light tank coming out of our workshops
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^^^ I am amazed as to how Kalyani is putting money towards desi weapon systems without any orders. True patriots like them need to be supported
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Atmavik wrote:^^^ I am amazed as to how Kalyani is putting money towards desi weapon systems without any orders. True patriots like them need to be supported
Indeed , have a look at how some armament companies grew to become huge conglomerates, esp the germans. All it takes is just one full blown war....
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https://twitter.com/rathorekaran17/stat ... jLztgpAAAA
from a "Veteran cavalry brigadier of The Poona Horse. "

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MBT Arjun is an excellent tank. If we fail to operationalise it, it will amount to a system failure of a degree. Looking at Ukraine conflict, it is a time to course correct. Take an objective call
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From Defence Decode twitter:

Bahrain, India, and Arjun Mk II tanks
https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/art ... k-ii-tanks

This is quite surprising and I dont really see it happening esp since Mk1A seems to be an end of the line tank.
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https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense ... tanks.html
According to information published by the "Tactical Report" on March 16, 2022, Bahrain has launched talks with India for the procurement of the Indian-made Arjun Mk II Main Battle Tank (MBT). The tank could be also equipped with Israeli-Indian co-designed laser system.
I'm guessing that they have 'bridges that can hold a 60 ton tank'.

I do hope that atleast for exports, DRDO should tie up with pvt players like TATA, MAHINDRA, ADANI, L&T for manufacture and after sales support. OFB/CVRDE folks are just not cut out for the exports game.
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sajaym wrote:https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense ... tanks.html
According to information published by the "Tactical Report" on March 16, 2022, Bahrain has launched talks with India for the procurement of the Indian-made Arjun Mk II Main Battle Tank (MBT). The tank could be also equipped with Israeli-Indian co-designed laser system.
I'm guessing that they have 'bridges that can hold a 60 ton tank'.

I do hope that atleast for exports, DRDO should tie up with pvt players like TATA, MAHINDRA, ADANI, L&T for manufacture and after sales support. OFB/CVRDE folks are just not cut out for the exports game.
Its an island! No bridges! I can attest. Unless they are invading Saudi Arabia. That bridge can certainly hold Arjuns!
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Nick_S wrote:From Defence Decode twitter:

Bahrain, India, and Arjun Mk II tanks
https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/art ... k-ii-tanks

This is quite surprising and I dont really see it happening esp since Mk1A seems to be an end of the line tank.
It's no different from any current western tank. If Poland can buy 250 M1A2. Or Taiwan can buy a similar number. Then there is no reason why the Arjun cannot be sold.
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Pratyush wrote:
Nick_S wrote:From Defence Decode twitter:

Bahrain, India, and Arjun Mk II tanks
https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/art ... k-ii-tanks

This is quite surprising and I dont really see it happening esp since Mk1A seems to be an end of the line tank.
It's no different from any current western tank. If Poland can buy 250 M1A2. Or Taiwan can buy a similar number. Then there is no reason why the Arjun cannot be sold.
Cannot compare the 2.
Plus IA has not expressed confidence in Arjun itself has it?
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Is it because of deficiency in the tanks themselves? Or some other reasons?

You can make an argument that the MTU power pack and renk transmission make any exports dependent on German approval.

But the tanks themselves are not inferior to current western tanks. They are also upgradable.
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Atmavik wrote:https://twitter.com/rathorekaran17/stat ... jLztgpAAAA
from a "Veteran cavalry brigadier of The Poona Horse. "

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MBT Arjun is an excellent tank. If we fail to operationalise it, it will amount to a system failure of a degree. Looking at Ukraine conflict, it is a time to course correct. Take an objective call
err...
With due respect, BRF has been saying this for more than a decade when I was in school. Now I have kids in school and these people waking up? The collective wisdom of this forum seems to far surpass the defence experts in this country.
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^ Have followed the retired Brigadier for some time now. He has always been supportive of the Indian efforts (in self reliance) in general, and the Arjun in particular...
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ks_sachin wrote:
Pratyush wrote:
It's no different from any current western tank. If Poland can buy 250 M1A2. Or Taiwan can buy a similar number. Then there is no reason why the Arjun cannot be sold.
Cannot compare the 2.
Plus IA has not expressed confidence in Arjun itself has it?
Have we wondered why Saar? Pages upon pages (and numerous threads over 25+ years) have been written on BRF over this issue. The Armoured Corps should ask themselves that why a foreign country is looking at a tank that they themselves don't want. Perhaps the sand in Bahrain is more denser than the sand in Rajasthan, so the tank will not sink and get swallowed into the ground!

The Army can replace the entire aging T-72 fleet with Arjun Mk1As (formerly known as Mk2), but the Armoured Corps will not. Too heavy, rail transports not wide enough, tank not reliable, moon trials were unsuccessful, tank cannot fire laser guided rounds, etc. Any other excuses left for the Army to say? But MoD and Indian Army got time to generate nonsensical data like the tweet below. Date of the tweet is today - 19 March 2022.

https://twitter.com/unapologeticAnk/sta ... E0Z7Pi1AdQ ----> India has indigenized 95% of the production of T-90 tanks. Remaining 5% of spares for which dependency is on Russia. India has achieved 96% indigenization of the production of T-72 tanks. #MakeInIndia. :rotfl:

And because the indigenization content of T-90 and T-72 is higher than Arjun, so the former is superior to the latter.

Waah Armoured Corps, Waah! Just like a number of Arjun trials were purposefully sabotaged by the tin can lobby in India, perhaps this lobby can quietly advise the Govt of Bahrain that the Indian Army is looking at South Korea's K2 Black Panther as its Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT). When we do screwdrivergiri of the K2 in India, then we can sell the same to Bahrain also! This will also allow the MoD to increase the number of print pages in the chapter/section of the annual MoD brochure, titled 100% Transfer of Technology, Resulting in Exports. #MakeInIndia
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Rakesh wrote:....
You could have saved yourself the trouble Admiral.

Did I say the Army was right?
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ks_sachin wrote:You could have saved yourself the trouble Admiral.

Did I say the Army was right?
I understood the gist of your post :)

I am just elaborating on the confidence (or the lack thereof) in the Arjun from the Armoured Corps.

My ire is not directed at you.
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When the shooting would start in earnest, I would like only one thing... Round up all those uniformed and mod officials and put them into the tin cans and be sent as a first wave in the war. Let them taste the prescription of their medicines.
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ritesh wrote:When the shooting would start in earnest, I would like only one thing... Round up all those uniformed and mod officials and put them into the tin cans and be sent as a first wave in the war. Let them taste the prescription of their medicines.
You think they don’t know the drawbacks of their weapon systems?
Be careful with the words you choose to use unless you have experience of Armd ops.
This is becoming a bit like the mechanical vs electronic drives on ATAGS discussion where Arty was panned for mechanical stuff. Finally Brar_w came up with something that made sense.
Everyone has an opinion - without knowledge of actual Armd doctrine and the trade offs the Armd corps is prepared to make - rightly or wrongly.
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Reminds me the days of great Tank war that happened on BRF between Sanku and Austin on T90 side and rohit and rahulm on Arjun side:

Mischievous chandigarh import lobby at work:

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-s ... ne-1177317
Sabotage suspected in Arjun tank engine
The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has installed a black box-like instrument in the indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun, under development for nearly 36 years, following attempts to "sabotage" its engine. The instrument was installed after the Indian Army termed the winter trial of the Arjun tank a "failure".

Attempts to sabotage the trials of the Arjun tank have failed after the black box was installed, said authorities.

"The German company Renk AG supplying the engines for the Arjun tank stumbled upon the tinkering with its engines after a complaint from the Indian Army that the tank's gear box failed during its winter trials in Pokhran and Mahajan field range," a DRDO official told IANS, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Following this we have installed an instrument similar to the data recorder or black box in aircraft that would record all the information related to the engines," he added.

The army had told a key parliamentary panel earlier this month that the Arjun tank failed to deliver at the just-concluded winter trials. The army said that many improvements had to be carried out before it was satisfied with the tank.

After the complaint, engineers from the German company were summoned to have a look at the tank while a special team was sent to Germany.

"Army officials were curious to know about the new instrument, which was installed before the summer trials, which has been successful," the official said.

Minister of State for Defence (Production) Rao Inderjit Singh has also hinted at a conspiracy to "sabotage" the Arjun tank in April.

"The possibility of sabotage needs to be examined. The engines fitted in the tanks were German and were performing well for the past 15 years. I wonder what has happened to them overnight," Singh had said, talking about the reported failures of the tank.

However, the army has denied the allegations of sabotage.

The startling revelation from the DRDO has come even as the Indian Army seems to have sounded the death knell for the Arjun tanks, saying it would purchase no more than the 124 it had signed a contract for.

Fourteen Arjun tanks were handed over to the Indian Army for user trials last year but were returned to the manufacturer - the Combat Vehicles Development Establishment - with a list of defects.

These included a deficient fire control system, inaccuracy of its guns, low speeds in tactical areas - principally the desert - and the tank's inability to operate in temperatures over 50 degrees Celsius.

The army had laid down its qualitative requirement (QR) for the Arjun in 1972. In 1982, it was announced that the prototype was ready for field trials. However, the tank was publicly unveiled for the first time only in 1995.

Arjun was originally meant to be a 40-tonne tank with a 105 mm gun. It has now grown to a 50-tonne tank with a 120 mm gun.

The tank was to supplement and eventually replace the Soviet-era T-72 MBT that was first inducted in the early 1980s.

However, delays in the Arjun project, and Pakistan's decision to purchase the T-80 from Ukraine, prompted India to order 310 T-90s, an upgraded version of the T-72, in 2001.

Of these, 186 were assembled from kits at the HVF at Avadi. An agreement was also signed for the licensed production of another 1,000 T-90s.

With the development of the Arjun delayed further, India last year signed a fresh contract with Russia to buy another 330 T-90s.
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Rakesh wrote:
ks_sachin wrote: Cannot compare the 2.
Plus IA has not expressed confidence in Arjun itself has it?
Have we wondered why Saar? Pages upon pages (and numerous threads over 25+ years) have been written on BRF over this issue. The Armoured Corps should ask themselves that why a foreign country is looking at a tank that they themselves don't want....
With due respect Admiral Saab, is it the primary job/responsibility of the fighting arm of the military to worry about arms export (or lack thereof). Does King khan/the Russians give their armies sales targets?

I am a big time bhakt of desi systems, especially the troika of Arjun, Tejas and LCH, but IMVHO the target of sales of systems should be squarely on the shoulders of the MOD/OFBs/System manufacturers et al - with full support and push (and stick if necessary) by the ultimate overlords - the GoI.
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Manish_P wrote:
With due respect Admiral Saab, is it the primary job/responsibility of the fighting arm of the military to worry about arms export (or lack thereof). Does King khan/the Russians give their armies sales targets?

I am a big time bhakt of desi systems, especially the troika of Arjun, Tejas and LCH, but IMVHO the target of sales of systems should be squarely on the shoulders of the MOD/OFBs/System manufacturers et al - with full support and push (and stick if necessary) by the ultimate overlords - the GoI.
It isn't their job to worry about sales pitches or figures but it is their job to evaluate the systems as fairly as possible and to promote indigenous content while helping establish a domestic MIC

The Indian Army need not be involved in pitching the Arjun to Bahrain or whoever but it is expected of them to give Arjun a fair shot ( which they didn't).

No system is going to get everything right the first time round but if the Army/AF/Navy were more open to giving orders to get the ball rolling and then help develop it so that it can be updated in tranches then we would see much more progress than we are currently doing.... But no they want the perfect solution from day 1 and any mistakes are used as an excuse to thrash DRDO/OFB etc and spend Billions of $ on imports.

Russia, Khans or China may not force their armies to buy XYZ product either but there is a very clear understanding in which the force funds the future development and life cycle of the system by investing in it right from the beginning.

If a Chinese company makes a new tank the PLA will order it in hundreds.. It may be terrible in iteration 1.0 but they will improve it in 2.0 then improve it further in the next few iterations until it reaches an acceptable level by which time it is ready to be exported cheaply. Our companies on the other hand have to move heaven and earth to even get a sample order ( See the current LCH situation for ex)

Increasing Exports cannot be all on GOI/DRDO...
How do you sell something when your own army/AF doesn't trust it ?
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Here is where Arjun fails, even if it is armed with an laser cannon.

Arjun is available from only ONE source. OFB. T90 is available for 2 source: OFB & Russia.

If the balloon goes up, how many of us(or any armor commander) here will have any confidence, with our tanks available ONLY coming from OFB? We might design the best tank known to mankind, but imagine giving it to OFB for production!

These bug*** were planning to go for a strike during the peak of Ladakh crisis... :roll:

DRDO knows this. It is trying it's best to cutoff OFB from the picture by get L&T in to the equation. IA will more amenable to an L&T produced tank over OFB. DRDO could have modified Arjun's chasis for the light tank.. but it went with L&T's K9 chasis..IA has decided to keep the OFB jokers busy with 400 odd T90 and 124 MK1A. Looks like NGMBT & Light tank is coming from L&T.
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nam wrote:Here is the question where Arjun fails, even if it is armed with an laser cannon.

Arjun is available from only ONE source. OFB. T90 is available for 2 source: OFB & Russia.

If the balloon goes up, how many of us(or any armor commander) here will have any confidence, with our tanks available ONLY coming from OFB?

These bug*** were planning to go for a strike during the peace of Ladakh crisis... :roll:
Do you seriously believe that tanks will not be in service in numbers before the baloon goes up.

Or in other words, the orders will be placed only when the enemy has attacked the border.

A vehicle that is Indian and is under routine production will not face any difficulty during the time of conflict.

BTW, BEML was to be the second source for the production of Arjun in addition to Avadi. In fact, it had produced some pre production vehicles during the prototype stage.

If the Indian army had decided to induct the Arjun, and it was needed in larger numbers. No big issues, WRT, production of the Arjun. The issue was orders from the army in order to mass produce the tanks.
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AkshaySG wrote:...It isn't their job to worry about sales pitches or figures but it is their job to evaluate the systems as fairly as possible and to promote indigenous content while helping establish a domestic MIC

The Indian Army need not be involved in pitching the Arjun to Bahrain or whoever but it is expected of them to give Arjun a fair shot ( which they didn't).
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Agree completely, Sir.

IIRC you are a Vet. I myself am a corporate background guy. But i dare say, we both know how there are entrenched lobbies and groups within large organisations - Govermental as well as Private .. and how at times it is easier to fight external threats than your own..
AkshaySG wrote:...Russia, Khans or China may not force their armies to buy XYZ product either but there is a very clear understanding in which the force funds the future development and life cycle of the system by investing in it right from the beginning....
This in short helps set up a nations MIC.. this is the dream of jingos like self. Am keeping the faith.
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Manish_P wrote:With due respect Admiral Saab, is it the primary job/responsibility of the fighting arm of the military to worry about arms export (or lack thereof). Does King khan/the Russians give their armies sales targets?

I am a big time bhakt of desi systems, especially the troika of Arjun, Tejas and LCH, but IMVHO the target of sales of systems should be squarely on the shoulders of the MOD/OFBs/System manufacturers et al - with full support and push (and stick if necessary) by the ultimate overlords - the GoI.
Nothing more to add to other than what AkshaySG stated.
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nam wrote:Here is where Arjun fails.....
Arjun is not manufactured by OFB, but Heavy Vehicles Factory which is a division of AVANI (Armoured Vehicles Nigam Limited).

It is a Public Sector Undertaking like the Ordnance Factory Board. The OFB makes Small and medium-calibre weapons, towed & rocket artillery and light military vehicles. They do not make armoured vehicles like the Arjun or the BMP. That is done at HVF.
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Rakesh wrote:
nam wrote:Here is where Arjun fails.....
Arjun is not manufactured by OFB, but Heavy Vehicles Factory which is a division of AVANI (Armoured Vehicles Nigam Limited).

It is a Public Sector Undertaking like the Ordnance Factory Board. The OFB makes Small and medium-calibre weapons, towed & rocket artillery and light military vehicles. They do not make armoured vehicles like the Arjun or the BMP. That is done at HVF.
Admiral Sir AVNL came up in 2021. To early to claim that the leopard has managed to change its spots. Till such time it is an OFB creature in my eyes.
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AkshaySG wrote:
The Indian Army need not be involved in pitching the Arjun to Bahrain or whoever but it is expected of them to give Arjun a fair shot ( which they didn't).

No system is going to get everything right the first time round but if the Army/AF/Navy were more open to giving orders to get the ball rolling and then help develop it so that it can be updated in tranches then we would see much more progress than we are currently doing.... But no they want the perfect solution from day 1 and any mistakes are used as an excuse to thrash DRDO/OFB etc and spend Billions of $ on imports.
The Arjun should have been killed as soon as our armed engagement doctrinal changes did not go ahead...
The Armd Corps does not see itself fighting in the Arjun.
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Rakesh wrote:
nam wrote:Here is where Arjun fails.....
Arjun is not manufactured by OFB, but Heavy Vehicles Factory which is a division of AVANI (Armoured Vehicles Nigam Limited).

It is a Public Sector Undertaking like the Ordnance Factory Board. The OFB makes Small and medium-calibre weapons, towed & rocket artillery and light military vehicles. They do not make armoured vehicles like the Arjun or the BMP. That is done at HVF.
HVF Avadi was part of erstwhile OFB. OFB got corporatised and split late last year and that is how AVANI came into being.

As ks_sachin mentioned, it is too soon to say if corporatisation haa had any influence on OFB culture
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ashishvikas wrote:TATA WhAP Kestrel

https://twitter.com/SupratikSaumya/stat ... wrzhw&s=19

Love the ‘Comunal ceremony’ this should be inducted in the 100s
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ashishvikas wrote:TATA WhAP Kestrel

https://twitter.com/SupratikSaumya/stat ... wrzhw&s=19
UN mission?
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ashishvikas wrote:TATA WhAP Kestrel

https://twitter.com/SupratikSaumya/stat ... wrzhw&s=19
This version of the Kestrel is different from the one we have seen in recent times I think. The hatch in front is diff looks like. So a previous version or a more recent version
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There are some changes in this WHAP delivered to CRPF:
Raised armored driver station for better visibility.
Remote controlled weapon station.
Increased number of firing ports.
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Vips wrote:There are some changes in this WHAP delivered to CRPF:
Raised armored driver station for better visibility.
Remote controlled weapon station.
Increased number of firing ports.
Thanks Vips.

So CRPF already has adopted this platform? Never came in the news.
Any links?
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According to the Defence AV: Tata is going to supply 6 modified Kestrels (3 + 3) to CRPF. TATA is also expecting to win order for 200 more from the Army.

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