Philip wrote:The Scorpene delay, over 5 years now, don't obfuscate was France not delivering as per deal. Don't put all the blame on MDL.
Please read the Fin.Exp.12/7/2008,where the blame is clearly put on France, DCNS not providing key tech. promised and that the first Scorpene would not arrive in 2012 as it should've. 8 years later we have only 2 commissioned!
The TOT issue was before the first scorpene rolled out which was resolved. The real delay in scorpene production is indeed due to MDL. Google how MDL delivered the second scorpene submarine with 36 deficiencie
s including excess noise by propellers which took nearly 2 years to resolve. This after the French had hand held the MDL in delivering the first scorpene without any issues!!!!
Philip wrote:And if the S-400 is " junk" like all Ru eqpt. its detractors say, why on earth is the GOI, MOD, services buying more and more " junk" like MKIs, MIG-29s,T-90s, KA-31s,Talwar, Akula SSGNs on lease, BMos variants,hyper,etc.,etc.?
Simple due to TINA factor-There is no alternative. Had we the option to buy western equipment you think we could have gone for Russian junk. Look at the track record of each you have quoted.
MKI's - Unproven iteration of SU 27 for which India was a willing guinea pig , India provided the finance and this prevented Sukhoi Corp from going belly up. Each of these jet requires 3 times as many engines as a comparable western bird.
MIG-29 - Smoke emitting engines with its K version grossly underperforming in the Navy. IAF prefers Mirage 2000 for multi role operations over it.
T-90's - TOT promised on barrels and denied by the Russian's. Bare bones tank offered as cheap deal which became a decent tank only after French fire control system were incorporated.
KA-31- There was no other choice for the Indian Navy
Talwar Ships- Another case of India accommodating Russians who had 2 half finished ships in its shipyard for which the Ukrainians were unwilling to provide engines. India bought these only due to commonality with the earlier ships and to oblige the Russians.
KA-226s- after winning a v.stiff contest with western birds - You joking right? Forget western birds this helicopter is not even comparable to the Dhruv class helicopters and we have numerous reports where it is clear we are being forced to buy this helicopter from the Russians.
Akula SSGNs on lease- TINA factor. No western country would give us a Nuclear Submarine.
BMos variants,hyper - Yes decent equipment from Russia.
Remember this whenever there has been a competition for military hardware the Western/Korean manufacturers with superior products have kicked Russian butts so hard they have not been able to win a single contest - Heavy lift transport planes, Anti Tank helicopters, Medium lift transport planes, MMRCA, NMRH, Tracked anti aircraft systems, Advance Jet Trainers, Anti submarine helicopters, Tracked howitzers and now indeed it will happen again in the P-75i deal.
Do not want to go OT so i will stop here.