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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 01 Oct 2020 02:36

ramana wrote:
kvraghav wrote:Playing devil's advocate, why can't it be that the army was using more charges than the shell was rated for, just because the gun supported it? They may have been encouraged due to the success till then right. I think there is no way to increase range in a dumb unless we reduce the shell weight or increase barellel pressure


Then don't blame the OFB for making the shell fragile!


Ramana-ji this may give a clue that this practice had been going on for sometime--> NATIONALIndigenous artillery gun sets new record in range

There's even a report by Shook-Law on this but not pasting his link here.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 01 Oct 2020 02:39

Anyway I was back to lurking on this thread was that I was looking for an article someone had posted about the development of ATAGS, Dhanush and acquisition of M777 and Vajra. Very informative. But could not find it now. Would be great if someone could direct me to the link.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 01 Oct 2020 16:28

DRDO is testing a new gun with BF. It doesn't look similar to any other guns we know.

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https://www.thehitavada.com/Encyc/2020/9/30/Firing-trials-of-indigenous-Howitzer-gun-successful-at-LPR-Khamaria.html

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Oct 2020 17:24

Given the length this does not look like a 52 caliber 155mm ATAGS gun, looks like 39 cal- we can sure do with a lot of 155 mm guns.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby abhik » 01 Oct 2020 18:41

^^^
Yup, that's their ultra light howitzer (the one behind the Bofors).

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 01 Oct 2020 19:16

It is not the regular BF ULH. The recoil system is different, as well the back of the barrel.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby pankaj » 01 Oct 2020 20:15

Another Article on ATAGS

https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... e/2095691/

The project now in TRL stage 10 (as per DRDO TRL stages) has been put through mandatory trials over the period of last five years and has completed them successfully. Earlier this month, it entered into its last stages of trials, viz- PSQR (Preliminary Staff Qualitative Requirements) trial, which is done prior to induction of the system. The Gun has already been through rigorous pre-PSQR trials with the user and DRDO team. In these trials BFL Developed Gun system fired a total of 130+ rounds, mostly in Zone 7, and the feedback was that the system has either met the parameters. The Gun fielded by TATA Aerospace and Defence Limited too succeeded in firing 99 rounds. At the 100 th round which was fifth of the rapid fire practice, the gun tube sheared off, thus creating the first unfortunate incident during the entire process of design and development. The cause is being investigated. Some experts blame it on ammunition, while the others wish to look at the tube and the immense pressures it has to withstand. It must be noted that the guns which have till now fired almost 2000 rounds between them can easily withstand pressures up to 560 mega pascals and are the only ones to fire munitions with Zone 7.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Raghunathgb » 01 Oct 2020 20:18

nam wrote:It is not the regular BF ULH. The recoil system is different, as well the back of the barrel.


Bharat forge had tied up with mandus group of US for soft recoil technology. Few months back I saw news on BF coming up with their own recoil tech for their guns. Perhaps it is gun with indigenous recoil technology.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby pushkar.bhat » 01 Oct 2020 20:53

From the looks this new gun looks more Field Arty for the plains. May be a simpler gun which will be mass produced in 1000's for those mass 400 gun Arty Barrages on Lahore.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Oct 2020 02:32

From Hitavada article

"The Ultra Light Howitzer gun has been designed and developed with rigorous research with the help of DRDO. LPR Khamaria, Commandant, Brigadier, Nishchay Raut, while talking to ‘The Hitavada’, informed that development test firing for prototype of 155 mm x 39 calibre gun was started two days back at LPG Khamaria. Total 24 rounds firing 12 rounds in a day was conducted from the prototype gun. Initially, development level firing from prototype gun was up to the mark."

So it's ULH by DRDO with Bharat Forge m fg. Has shown good performance so far.

First time we are hearing the DRDO involvement with Bharat Forge in this matter.

Second is this the steel or titanium version?

Please dig this detail.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Oct 2020 02:35

pankaj wrote:Another Article on ATAGS

https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... e/2095691/

The project now in TRL stage 10 (as per DRDO TRL stages) has been put through mandatory trials over the period of last five years and has completed them successfully. Earlier this month, it entered into its last stages of trials, viz- PSQR (Preliminary Staff Qualitative Requirements) trial, which is done prior to induction of the system. The Gun has already been through rigorous pre-PSQR trials with the user and DRDO team. In these trials BFL Developed Gun system fired a total of 130+ rounds, mostly in Zone 7, and the feedback was that the system has either met the parameters. The Gun fielded by TATA Aerospace and Defence Limited too succeeded in firing 99 rounds. At the 100 th round which was fifth of the rapid fire practice, the gun tube sheared off, thus creating the first unfortunate incident during the entire process of design and development. The cause is being investigated. Some experts blame it on ammunition, while the others wish to look at the tube and the immense pressures it has to withstand. It must be noted that the guns which have till now fired almost 2000 rounds between them can easily withstand pressures up to 560 mega pascals and are the only ones to fire munitions with Zone 7.


Wow that's different description to the story so far.
The gun.broke at 100th round. But Zone 7. And many rounds fired eith Zone 7.

Looks issue with that gun and shell system
And note rapid fire.
Maybe the charge ignited like in the Korean K9 incident.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Prem Kumar » 02 Oct 2020 12:04

One part of the report says 2000 rounds have been fired and another part said the incident happened at the 100th firing

Is 2000 rounds across multiple guns?

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby k prasad » 02 Oct 2020 15:05

^^ Yes and looks like its in total, across all trials.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Vips » 02 Oct 2020 18:42

Trial of Kalyani ULH is welcome news. I hope the Army will also get the the Kalyani MGS (155 MM/39 Calibre version) trialed on an urgent basis. We need these guns desperately at the LAC. These guns would be a great fit for the mountain terrain as it needs only a small 4 X 4 vehicle for mobility as compared to the heavy 6 X 6 required on the DRDO/OFB 155 MM/52 Calibre guns.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 04 Oct 2020 06:07

Vips wrote:Can gurus here make any sense of this:

The shells for 155mm calibre howitzers made by the ordnance factory are designed to be fired with up to six charge modules and handle pressure up to 340 megapascals. To make the shell fly over 40km, seven charge modules are used. The OFB shells are made under transfer of technology (TOT) from South African company Dennel. Even in the TOT, it has been specified that the gun can handle service pressure of 340 megapascals, or six charge modules at the most.

This is called zone 6 ammunition, and what has been used in ATAGS was zone 7. Higher pressure due to zone 7 can lead to risks. Zone 6 is the standard world over, the sources said. OFB only makes zone 6 ammunition, which is in line with NATO standards. Even the 155x52 calibre mounted gun system developed by the OFB uses zone 6, a source said.

An official in one of the private companies confirmed that the shell was fired with zone 7 ammunition to achieve a higher charge, and rejected any claim that they had received any warning. So far, both Bharat Forge and Tata guns have fired over 1,000 rounds using the zone 7 rounds. The ATAGS barrel is designed to handle 440 megapascals of pressure.

“The pressure handling capacity is basically meant for the barrel but even the shell is expected to withstand similar levels,” the source said. A final investigation into the incident will only reveal the truth said the company official.


Thank you so much.

The shell is designed with 340 MPa steel and meant to be fired with Zone 6.

However ATAGS has fired over 2000 rounds at Zone7 safely. So shell breakup in barrel due to Zone 7 is remote probability.

And to be expected as the shell experiences compression loads from the aft of the shell when the charge is fired. And shell is supported by the barrel so it will not collpase in the barrel under buckling.
So we can safely rule out Zone 7 causing shell failure in the barrel.

OFB are being ninnies trying to blame the ATAGS team in case shell breakup is the COI root cause.

THe ATAGS barrel is made to with stand 440 MPA or a margin of 100MPa.
Lt.Gen JP. Singh elsewhere said the barrel can handle 560 MPa.

It must be noted that the guns which have till now fired almost 2000 rounds between them can easily withstand pressures up to 560 mega pascals and are the only ones to fire munitions with Zone 7.


And that the Tata gun failed at 100th round which was 5th in a rapid fire sequence versus
Whereas the BFL gun already survived 130+ rounds.

So what can we make out of this?
1) The ATAGS barrel is made with ultra high strength to handle Zone 7 charges
2) The failed gun was subject to a rapid firing sequence with Zone 7 charges. Zone 7 charge puts out quite an amount high heat needs to be understood.
3) Yet the gun barrel sheared off as the general notes. And this is at a low number of firings i.e. 100. Now he did not mention what was the expected life of the barrel. The figure 2000 rounds is nice but does not mention how many guns involved?

So whats my theory now?

I think the gun did not have time to cool down to transfer the heat from six (6th) Zone 7 charges and became soft i.e the ultimate strength at temparature was lowered due to the rapid firing of Zone 7 charges.
We dont know the steel specification but using the 560 MPa we can find typical steels.
And estimating the temperature of the gun from 5 Zone charges being fired can approximate the failure mechanism.
Thats my next investigation.


In Vietnam the 175mm cannon used to be fired in rapid mode and led to barrel failures at around 450 rounds when the proven barrel life was 1200 rounds.
And 175mm cannon was made of ultra high strength steel.
And what was found was the rapid firings heated up the barrel and created micro cracks which grew in the UHS steel and led to barrel failure.



From a Watervliet Arsennal Page : https://www.army.mil/article/81038/wate ... t_happened

Higher Strength Steel. In general, the higher the strength of the gun steel used in a particular cannon design, the lighter the cannon can be. Also, higher strength material allows the cannon to be fired at greater pressures for improved performance and range. As with most things in life, nothing comes for free. As the strength of gun steel is increased, resistance to fatigue failure and cracking under high pressure decreases. Put another way, as strength, pressure, and performance increase, cannon life decreases, sometimes dramatically.

In order to achieve acceptable fatigue resistance, the majority of artillery cannon designs up to the 1970s used gun steel at strength levels of about 160,000 psi yield strength. Some of the "newer" cannon designs in this era, such as the original 175mm M113 Gun on the M107 Self-Propelled System, experimented with what were considered very high strength steels for the time with gun steel strength levels about 180,000 psi yield strength.

Unfortunately, what was to later become the science of fracture mechanics and related fatigue failure was not well understood or appreciated at this time, and the original 175mm M113 Gun experienced premature catastrophic brittle fracture at a very low round count. Investigation of these in-service failures greatly advanced the understanding of fracture mechanics and the relationship between strength and fatigue resistance in gun steels, essentially making Benét Lab scientists and engineers the world recognized experts in fracture mechanics of high strength pressure vessels.

In a very short period of time, the original M113 Gun was significantly redesigned to lower the strength levels of the material, while using the new autofrettage process to make up for the loss of strength. The fatigue life of this replacement design was increased at least ten-fold from the original design, and in service failure was eliminated. Although this system is no longer in service with the U.S. military, it continues to provide safe and effective fire power to NATO allies.


So our task is to find out the material strrength of the ATAGS. The key word is ultra high strength steel. It will be mentioned as an aisde in interview by the designers or in papers.

I have the original 175mm failure analysis report somewhere on my laptop.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 04 Oct 2020 06:32

Ajai Shukla reports:

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2017/10/ ... roups.html


Kalyani Group engineers who work on ATAGS say its exceptional range stems from its larger chamber – 25 litres, compared to 23 litres in similar guns. This allows the gun to be fired with more explosive, propelling the warhead further. To absorb the higher “shock of discharge”, Kalyani Group says it has built its barrel and breech with a complex new metallurgy.


Somewhere it says they use double melt ESR steel. Electro Slag Refined steel. This removes and impurities in the metal ingot.

I will find the alloy used eventually.
Meanwhiel enjoy this treat from the ATAGS designers team
https://www.technoarete.org/common_abst ... _92308.pdf

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 22 Nov 2020 05:15

New, deadly Pinaka rocket gives army cross-border options: (Part 1 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... -army.html
12 Nov 2020

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 22 Nov 2020 05:15

After firing setback, indigenous artillery gun set to roar again (Part 2 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... enous.html
13 Nov 2020

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 22 Nov 2020 06:51

Rakesh wrote:After firing setback, indigenous artillery gun set to roar again (Part 2 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... enous.html
13 Nov 2020


Now, after a detailed probe by a multi-agency Failure Investigation Committee, the gun has undergone changes and is ready to fire again. Business Standard was briefed on the ATAGS programme at the Armament R&D Establishment Pune.

ATAGS Project Manager, Shailendra Gade, explained that the gun’s ability to achieve a world-record breaking range of 48 kilometres comes from a specially designed gun chamber that has a unique 25-litre capacity.

In other contemporary 155 millimetre guns, chamber capacity is never more than 23 litres. As a consequence, other guns can use a maximum of six modules (measures) of propellant to hurl the projectile to the target. The ATAGS’ additional two-litre chamber capacity has space for a seventh propellant module. This hurls the projectile an additional distance.

Looking at the ATAGS in the ARDE’s weapons bays is enough to discern that it is an unusually beefy artillery gun. Weighing in at 19-tonnes, it is a full two tonnes heavier than comparable 155 millimetre, 52 calibre Nexter and Elbit towed guns the artillery has evaluated.

But the army has willingly accepted the reduced mobility that comes with greater weight. The The additional propellant it fires requires a heavier barrel, breech and recoil system.

So gun needed modification. Its important point.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 22 Nov 2020 06:57

I think it was the usage of high strength steel combined with thicker barrel.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 22 Nov 2020 07:07

Rakesh wrote:New, deadly Pinaka rocket gives army cross-border options: (Part 1 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... -army.html
12 Nov 2020

There seems to be confusion on Enhanced and Guided Pinaka. The recent tests were Guided Pinaka.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby shaun » 22 Nov 2020 08:03

Both Godrej and EEL producing pinaka rockets apart from OFB , enhanced and guided pinaka seems to be same , if range and accuracy is taken into consideration

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/status/1330128522107645957?s=08

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby andy B » 22 Nov 2020 18:10

Rakesh wrote:After firing setback, indigenous artillery gun set to roar again (Part 2 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... enous.html
13 Nov 2020

Looking at the ATAGS in the ARDE’s weapons bays is enough to discern that it is an unusually beefy artillery gun. Weighing in at 19-tonnes, it is a full two tonnes heavier than comparable 155 millimetre, 52 calibre Nexter and Elbit towed guns the artillery has evaluated.

But the army has willingly accepted the reduced mobility that comes with greater weight. The The additional propellant it fires requires a heavier barrel, breech and recoil system.

Ramana ji, I wanted to ask on this particular point isnt the being a bit disingenuous in reporting? I mean yes the system is two tonnes heavier but based on open source info this bad boy out guns and out ranges those systems quite easily. Also once the systems is in place we can always introduce iterative improvements to explosive charges and better shells to improve range further. The ATAGs with its dual wheel chasis would also provide for more stability of movement on quicker terrain. If the powerpack is strong enough (which i assume it is and this thing has a high level of automation) it should be able to conduct shoot scoot ops comparable to other systems. I only have very limited knowledge of artillery so full disclaimer there!!

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby durairaaj » 22 Nov 2020 19:09

ramana wrote:
Rakesh wrote:After firing setback, indigenous artillery gun set to roar again (Part 2 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... enous.html
13 Nov 2020

So gun needed modification. Its important point.


Rhymes like Arjun saga. Never ending cycle of testing with newer modifications requested.

They could have asked for few regiments with current state and then asked for newer updates in succeedding regiments. Now with newer barrel, breach, all of the past tests have to be repeated.

In few of the recent articles the criticsms against ATAGS included weight. Now they are asking for more weight.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby brar_w » 22 Nov 2020 19:23

Rakesh wrote:New, deadly Pinaka rocket gives army cross-border options: (Part 1 of series on Enhancing Indian Firepower)
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/11 ... -army.html
12 Nov 2020


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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 23 Nov 2020 05:14

andyB, The Army accepted the extra weight. But the way sentence is written its like reluctantly.

I submit the gun needs that weight to absorb the recoil of the extra charge.
So whatever weight reduction that can be achieved is marginal.
And its range makes it an awesome weapon. Its like schoolboy.

Durairaj, I don't think any tests will be repeated.
The gun goes back to complete rest of the trials.
Atleast the article suggest that.

To me the greater interest is the OFB shells are cleared of the accusation spread so malevolently by retired officers.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 23 Nov 2020 05:18

shaun wrote:Both Godrej and EEL producing pinaka rockets apart from OFB , enhanced and guided pinaka seems to be same , if range and accuracy is taken into consideration

https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/status/1330128522107645957?s=08


shaun,
there is confusion in the above article on enhanced vs guided Pinaka.

Enhanced has range increment and dispersion is 1.5% of range. So at 40 km its CEP is (1.5/100)*40,000= 600m.
Makes it good in a volley mode only.


Guided Pinaka has longer range 0f 75 km and 10 m accuracy and 3 m with imaging seeker.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby andy B » 23 Nov 2020 14:21

ramana wrote:andyB, The Army accepted the extra weight. But the way sentence is written its like reluctantly.

I submit the gun needs that weight to absorb the recoil of the extra charge.
So whatever weight reduction that can be achieved is marginal.
And its range makes it an awesome weapon. Its like schoolboy.


Many thanks Ramana ji this is heartening to hear! Based on my limited interaction with heavy offroad mining and earthmoving equipment I do genuinely believe that the 4 wheeled chasis of these systems would be more stable and provide broader contact with the ground enabling higher mobility vs. say the bofors. The bofors looks ungainly in comparison when its moving around compared to the atags. From what you have said its also clear that the weight is the function of the form to accomodate the larger chamber and not a reflection of poor metallurgy leading to higher weight for the same equipment. Lets hope these bad boys bash on regardless and get inducted in meaningful numbers.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Prem Kumar » 23 Nov 2020 16:23

Yes Ramana: Ajai Shukla seems to have confused Pinaka-ER with Pinaka-Guided

Because the two have different dimensions, the suggestion that the existing tubes can fire Pinaka-ER means that we are talking about a 45 Km range ER version and not the Guided version (whose dimensions are different)

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 24 Nov 2020 22:20

Indian Light Field Gun: The 105mm that didn’t quit
https://medium.com/indra-networks/india ... ce4ce6b980
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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

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Big Breaking : Kalyani System is making Rail gun

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby kit » 29 Nov 2020 16:41

https://mobile.twitter.com/livefist/status/1224998030924865537?lang=en

India’s Bharat Forge ties up with General Atomics’ Electromagnetic Systems Group (GA-EMS) to develop/integrate power generation, storage, control& distribution tech for naval platforms, & advanced projectiles for Indian weapon system platforms

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Vips » 29 Nov 2020 21:33

77 K9's have been delivered by L&T. Initial order of 100 to be delivered by December end
42 M777's delivered by Mahindra. Total 145 to be delivered by December 2021
As expected from OFB no new Dhanush delivered in 2020 after initial 6 delivered in 2019.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby basant » 30 Nov 2020 11:50

Artillery import embargo put off, doors open for Rs 23,700 cr Israeli guns
Ajai Shukla

On August 9, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) cited the Prime Minister’s Atmanirbhar Bharat (self-reliant India) initiative to ban the import of artillery guns from December 2020. Twelve days later, the MoD backtracked and allowed imports for an extra year, clearing the decks for importing up to 1,580 guns from Israeli company, Elbit Systems.

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This embargo, however, is put off for a year by an “office memorandum” dated August 21, posted on the MoD website. This document puts a date of December 2021 for the start of the embargo on importing any 155-mm, 52-calibre towed artillery guns.

The chief executive of an Indian defence company says there could be only one possible purpose for postponing the gun import embargo by a year: To import a gun during the extra year granted for imports.

The MoD has not responded to a request for comments.


Also from the same article:
Indigenous alternative

The ATAGS has performed well in high altitude trials in January 2018 at the12,000-foot-high Menla Firing Range in Sikkim. However, when the gun went for trials in September, a gun barrel burst while being fired.

This is not an unusual event while developing an artillery gun. Business Standard has learnt that a multi-agency Failure Investigation Committee had determined that the accident was caused by defective ammunition, and the gun has been found fit to continue trials. That is likely to be scheduled soon, based on the availability of firing ranges.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Nov 2020 12:22

I don't think any Artillery Import from Israel will come, Its mental M*********** for the Author's political masters, he has been so wrong in the last few years, I will treat the Author's articles in the lines of quotes from Deaf and Dumb forum.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Nov 2020 12:29

Vips wrote:77 K9's have been delivered by L&T. Initial order of 100 to be delivered by December end
42 M777's delivered by Mahindra. Total 145 to be delivered by December 2021
As expected from OFB no new Dhanush delivered in 2020 after initial 6 delivered in 2019.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/covid-delays-production-of-dhanush-guns/articleshow/76718995.cms

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby jamwal » 30 Nov 2020 12:36

Assuming that the news is correct, it seems to be a very stupid decision.

We already have Bofors and upgraded M46. Inductions of M777, Vajra and Dhanush are going on. There are multiple local products including Bharat 52 and ATAGS, in same category of towed artillery as this Israeli Elbit. What exactly is benefit of inducting yet another gun in arsenal which is of same type as last two and has inferior characteristics?
At one hand Army wouldn't induct Arjun first citing weight, then saying expenses and effort of extra infrastructure. Now they are buying so many diverse guns, all of which will need different support lines for spares and maintenance. Army's purchase decisions seem to be a mystery to us mortals.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 30 Nov 2020 13:21

Have come accross the supposed purchase of the elbit gun from time to time.

But it is never actually accompanied by details of any program of record for the purchase of these guns.

I wonder why that is??

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby schinnas » 30 Nov 2020 13:56

Time to dismantle OFB and fully privatise it. Corporatisation of OFB is a futile exercise if it does not lead to fully privatising OFB or dismantling it altogether and selling its assets / contracts to existing Indian private defence manufacturers. OFB is a national shame.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby darshhan » 30 Nov 2020 20:54

schinnas wrote:Time to dismantle OFB and fully privatise it. Corporatisation of OFB is a futile exercise if it does not lead to fully privatising OFB or dismantling it altogether and selling its assets / contracts to existing Indian private defence manufacturers. OFB is a national shame.


Not possible. Complete privatization of Defence manufacturing in India is not possible. Corporatization is the least worst solution for now. Best solutions don't exist in this case.


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