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Good news on the ATAGS front, Finally looking at light at the end of the tunnel. hope to see first guns in about 2-3 years time coming online.
We should see what the production timelines will look like and how long will they take to deliver all the 310 guns.
Folks cribbing should also see it as a positive, so far we have been subjected to umpteen articles about some or other flaw of the ATAGS and how any other gun (preferably imports) are the solution.
Now we are seeing an order for ATAGS and hopefully we get them for our artillery upgrades sooner. I expect the usual articles also to come in short order about a pin missing or paint peeling also, but ignoring the vested interests this is something we need to keep track of keenly.
We seem to still be in a position where an indigenous order is almost always preceded by articles and hit jobs on that platform/systems. Need to keep faith atleast on BRF of all places.
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https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/163 ... 71136?s=20 ---> ATAGS will attain 50+ km ranges using ERFB-BB rounds and Zone 7 BMCS in the rarified climes of the Himalayas anyway.
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Heard of an EV Ultra Light Howitzer?

Bharat Forge, Chairman, Baba Kalyani explains their futuristic ATAGS that is made in India.

https://twitter.com/UshaNirmala/status/ ... 1523003394
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Not sure if he was describing the existing ATAGS or the next version. I think its just a description of the existing ATAGS. A couple of interesting nuggets:

1) Dual diesel + electric drive-train for gun elevation etc, the latter being much more silent
2) Can be both self-propelled and towed. Don't know what the range/speed is for self-propelled operation
3) Run-flat tires. 2-axles reduces the load per axle
3) Baba Kalyani says that the last artillery gun was designed 35 years ago. ATAGS is a clean-sheet design. Now the Americans, Germans etc are designing newer guns
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Defence Acquisition Council approves proposals worth Rs 70,500 crore for the Armed Forces & Indian Coast Guard under Buy (Indian-IDDM) category
.......For Artillery modernisation, in addition to the ongoing Dhanush Gun System and K-9 Vajra-T Gun System, AoN for procurement of 155mm/52 Caliber Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) along with High Mobility Vehicles (HMVs) and Gun Towing Vehicles (GTVs) for the Indian Army was accorded by the DAC.
Prem Kumar wrote:Janes has been reporting a lot of "scoops" from Aero India: orders for K9, QRSAM, LORA etc.

Lets wait for official confirmations for these.
Hope the carefully worded release gives the clarification,reading between lines.
Also does this mean Sharangs have been delivered in full? :twisted:
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From TOI report

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 697507.cms
Giving details about the approvals, officials said that the Defence Acqusitions Council (DAC), chaired by defence minister Rajnath Singh has given an Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for the procurement of 307 advanced towed artillery gun systems (ATAGS) for the Army.
SO another 6 months to sign the contract?
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MeshaVishwas wrote:Also does this mean Sharangs have been delivered in full? :twisted:
Only 80 out of an order of 300 had been upgraded by December, 2022.
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SSridhar wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:Also does this mean Sharangs have been delivered in full? :twisted:
Only 80 out of an order of 300 had been upgraded by December, 2022.
Thanks Saar, think I got carried away.
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Aditya_V wrote:From TOI report

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 697507.cms
Giving details about the approvals, officials said that the Defence Acqusitions Council (DAC), chaired by defence minister Rajnath Singh has given an Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for the procurement of 307 advanced towed artillery gun systems (ATAGS) for the Army.
SO another 6 months to sign the contract?
AON was given for 150 LSP in 2017(?) afaik and not a single contract to date. 6 months is very very optimistic. Would be surprised if it happens in the next 2 years


Also does this 307 AON supersede the 150 AON or supplement it? Another game of smoke and mirrors
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K. Singh, What smoke and mirrors?
People have been asked to leave for constant negative remarks.
There is a band of members who know more than the govt and take potshots all the time.
So what is your suggestion?
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ramana wrote:K. Singh, What smoke and mirrors?
People have been asked to leave for constant negative remarks.
There is a band of members who know more than the govt and take potshots all the time.
So what is your suggestion?
Has any official requirement for ATAGS come about if any white paper in IA arty requirements? All there is is the decades old FARP that outlined the need for >1000 155/52 towed guns. Earlier DAC had cleared 150 LSP ATAGS. Out of nowhere 307 is proposed. We don’t even know if this is in addition to the 150 or instead of that or what the total requirement for ATAGS is projected by the IA. And india is a democracy so these things should be public knowledge otherwise it appears as though they are making up numbers as they go along.


In the meantime they’ve floated a RFI for 1000 towed 155/52 guns.


Other democracies would have issued a white paper on their 20 years force modernisation plan with explicit detail years ago
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AFIK, the sub 15 ton 155/52 RFI has been given a quite burial by the government of India.

The submission date was in February. We have not seen any progress on it.

The older ATAGS AON of 150 sets has been subsumed by this 307 piece one.

However, given the history of shenanigans from the army about indigenous products. It's good to not get our hopes up. Unless firm orders are placed.
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KSingh wrote:
ramana wrote:K. Singh, What smoke and mirrors?
People have been asked to leave for constant negative remarks.
There is a band of members who know more than the govt and take potshots all the time.
So what is your suggestion?
Has any official requirement for ATAGS come about if any white paper in IA arty requirements? All there is is the decades old FARP that outlined the need for >1000 155/52 towed guns. Earlier DAC had cleared 150 LSP ATAGS. Out of nowhere 307 is proposed. We don’t even know if this is in addition to the 150 or instead of that or what the total requirement for ATAGS is projected by the IA. And india is a democracy so these things should be public knowledge otherwise it appears as though they are making up numbers as they go along.


In the meantime they’ve floated a RFI for 1000 towed 155/52 guns.


Other democracies would have issued a white paper on their 20 years force modernisation plan with explicit detail years ago
Piecemeal orders benefit imports because it gives you two options. You can always make more money from the next repeat order or you can drop it altogether citing technological obsolescence and refloat the tender. It's mainly the civil services which run the show and connect with import lobbyists. They've infected generals, politicians, media, intelligence etc. It's an entire architecture which is impervious to the directives of the PMO. Apart from the bare minimum which is basically strategic systems, communications, some types of radars, ships, army gear etc. Almost everything is licensed produced.

It's lucrative which is why the private industry is doing the same thing. Just see what most of them are doing. Open a stall and advertise some foreign vendor product and slap a make in India tag on it.

But wait it gets even worse then that, we have PSUs that need to justify their own existence aand make even more $. They are now trying to license produce and competing against each other and jumping into the lobbying game. BEL for example now wants to begin manufacturing foreign missiles like starstreak and Lora.

If there is "pressure" building up on the forces simply give a hotshot presentation to RNS or any other politician or babu who has no real expertise in defence and convince them for foreign emergency sales route. You can always invent some niche needs somewhere for sniper rifles, smgs, jet packs, ATVs, etc. and create another conduit to keep the gravy train going.
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RoyG, So far the Indian mfg line has not worked out the 'kinks'.
Hence these piecemeal orders till the line is stabilized.
There is no intent to import the guns.
RNS won't be bamboozled.
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ramana wrote:RoyG, So far the Indian mfg line has not worked out the 'kinks'.
Hence these piecemeal orders till the line is stabilized.

There is no intent to import the guns.
RNS won't be bamboozled.

The line not stabilizing for additional orders makes no sense.

Indian government procurement system is not really concerned about industrial capacity. Nor is it concerned about supply chains. Therefore it doesn't care about keeping the assembly line going for the entire planned procurement run.

You can say that this is because the people running procurement want to extract butter with every order. Which is why the system is what it is. But that is the reality of Indian system.

Even if the entire planned 1480 guns are ordered. The orders will be piecemeal. In 4 to 5 seperate tranches. With gaps of several years between procurement orders.

That is just how stupid and corrupt Indian procurement system is.
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Few points to consider:
1) Any new product, v1 will always have issues that are discovered only in actual usage, in spite of years of testing.
newer iterations builds on feedback and is enhanced.
newer version will have a few different sub-systems/components, and hence pricing will be different.
even if the product is perfect and components do not change, the pricing will change over 10-15 years considering inflation.
ordering all of them at the pricing of v1 or sticking to all the pieces to v1, does not make sense.

2) any order will mean paying advance (say 15%).
Paying advances for 1500 guns to be delivered over 10-15 years does not make sense and it will eat up into this year's procurement budget.

breaking an order into multiple pieces makes good sense.

Industrial capacities can be built on assurances and LOI/MOU, and govt needs to stick to the order plan or compensate accordingly.
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A Deshmukh wrote:Few points to consider:
1) Any new product, v1 will always have issues that are discovered only in actual usage, in spite of years of testing.
newer iterations builds on feedback and is enhanced.
newer version will have a few different sub-systems/components, and hence pricing will be different.
even if the product is perfect and components do not change, the pricing will change over 10-15 years considering inflation.
ordering all of them at the pricing of v1 or sticking to all the pieces to v1, does not make sense.

2) any order will mean paying advance (say 15%).
Paying advances for 1500 guns to be delivered over 10-15 years does not make sense and it will eat up into this year's procurement budget.

breaking an order into multiple pieces makes good sense.

Industrial capacities can be built on assurances and LOI/MOU, and govt needs to stick to the order plan or compensate accordingly.
This is not the correct way of looking at the issue. Paying in advance locks the rate and you end up saving money over a period of time. The company also needs firm order to recoup the cost for R&D and setting up the manufacturing line. Who in their right mind is going to be serious about design and make in India when you win the tender but given crumb orders? This whole procurement was rigged to fail from the start.

Ramana,

This is going the Arjun way. They will give a few orders and then cite weight issue and refloat the whole tender. Some corporate house will link up with an Israeli firm and suddenly no budgetary constraints and make in India glory bullsh*t.

RNS hasn't changed much because he refuses to see the problem as structural. He will battle the symptoms and the loopholes will be created.
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I seriously think that the lobby behind the Athos are the ones behind this. They are probably hoping that war with China is a distinct probability in a year or two. If that happens Athis can be procured as an off the shelf purchase as emergency even if it’s in small numbers. It’s probably slim pickings these days so they will do with this until the feast arrives if Modi loses in 2024…
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Tanaji, Search for images of 100s of Athos guns ready in an Israeli factory!
There are none. And won't happen till three years after the first payment.
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ramana wrote:RoyG, So far the Indian mfg line has not worked out the 'kinks'.
Hence these piecemeal orders till the line is stabilized.
There is no intent to import the guns.
RNS won't be bamboozled.
With all due respect this is backwards. Production lines do not stabilise through a drip drip piecemeal approach

Large upfront orders with firm commitments spread over a long period is the only way production lines can scale these days with globalised and diversified supply chains. Even in india much of the tier 2/3 suppliers are relatively small private players who cannot manufacture a single bolt without a contract in hand

This issue is amplified when you want to expand production, just in time supply management means there is no expansive warehousing of sub-assemblies and long lead time items necessitate upfront orders in advance.

Everyone wants to be the US in terms of production capacity but how is that sustained? Because of mammoth domestic orders, an F35 is made every 3-4 days vs an LCA every 3-4 weeks (at best when they hit peak production for the LCA MK1A) because the number of F35s on order are >10x

And the issue is further compounded because unlike most US products these days the user base for IDDM systems is almost exclusively the ever fickle Indian uniformed services/MOD

This is why It’s genuinely depressing watching how these IDDM projects have played out in the last decade or so, years of uncertainty due to never ending trails and red tape and when/of orders are placed it’s only ever for single/low triple digit quantity with maybe the promise of follow on orders later down the road. This approach only worked when buying from global OEMs with existing production lines and overflowing order books, it doesn’t work if you are making your own production run from scratch. Some question why LCA MK1 IOC/FOC was comically low- all they ever had was 16+16+8 orders spread over 3 different specifications, 3-4/year was all that was ever sustainable for that run.


Limited order sizes benefit no one- it increases the unit price (as economies of scale cannot be exploited or fixed costs amortised over larger numbers) and slows the rate of induction for the user. Well I guess they benefit the import lobby
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A Deshmukh wrote:Few points to consider:
1) Any new product, v1 will always have issues that are discovered only in actual usage, in spite of years of testing.
newer iterations builds on feedback and is enhanced.
newer version will have a few different sub-systems/components, and hence pricing will be different.
even if the product is perfect and components do not change, the pricing will change over 10-15 years considering inflation.
ordering all of them at the pricing of v1 or sticking to all the pieces to v1, does not make sense.

2) any order will mean paying advance (say 15%).
Paying advances for 1500 guns to be delivered over 10-15 years does not make sense and it will eat up into this year's procurement budget.

breaking an order into multiple pieces makes good sense.

Industrial capacities can be built on assurances and LOI/MOU, and govt needs to stick to the order plan or compensate accordingly.
2)This doesn’t make any sense

Most production runs are not targeted at 10-15 years first of all u less you are in very high quantities or the user is unable to absorb higher numbers. The MRFA, C295 and LCA delivery schedule is 8 years as per the contracts. BF say they can produce >200-300 155/52 towed guns a year, if given the 1500+ requirement upfront they could deliver all within 5-6 years.

Breaking up order quantities to try and save upfront payments is penny wise and pound foolish as inevitably unit prices will increase with inflation so for the same system you’ll end up paying 20-30% more 5-8 years down the road than if you had locked in the price upfront

And what assurances are ever given devoid of a signed contract? HAL had to pay for the entire LCH LSP production from its own budget, similarly with their LUH LSP run as of now. Private players simply cannot work on this basis as they have fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders hence why not one requirement has ever been met without a signed contract, why did L&T close down their K9 plant even though the IA has been promising further orders for years now?

Talk is cheap I’m afraid
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+ why did the Arjun become the ‘most expensive tank in the world’ ( the accuracy of this statement is questionable but I definitely saw it reported frequently by Arjun detractors)? Simply because the low order size 124 units meant DRDO could not localise the import content and much of the production was bespoke and labour intensive

This is exactly the way ATAGS is going, it’s already facing the challenge of being one of the very very few cleansheet 155/52 artillery designs of the last 2 decades and that too with the 25L chamber.


Weight (because of extra capabilities vs its contemporaries) and cost (due to low order size) are how they’ll justify ordering low numbers and getting ‘cheaper’ imports in larger sizes, sound familiar?
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https://twitter.com/Tej_Intel/status/16 ... 07203?s=20 ---> Bharat Forge will churn out one artillery gun in one day from its production facility next year onwards. That is a whooping 365 guns a year.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/Tej_Intel/status/16 ... 07203?s=20 ---> Bharat Forge will churn out one artillery gun in one day from its production facility next year onwards. That is a whooping 365 guns a year.
Sad part is where is the demand!!!
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Baba Kalyani is a business man.
He won't expand capacity without demand.
If he did that his publicly traded company will get shorted.

So let us stop navel-gazing.
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Replacement of artillery guns with state-of-the-art guns progressing at slow pace: CAG report

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New Delhi, Mar 27 (PTI) The Comptroller and Auditor General of India has flagged that the replacement of existing artillery guns with state-of-the-art guns has been progressing at a “slow pace” for over last two decades.

The Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on Union Government (Defence Services) – Army and Ordnance Factories was presented in the Parliament on Monday.

“C&AG’s Report No. 6 of 2023, Union Government (Defence Services) – Army and Ordnance Factories for the year ended March 2020 was laid on the table of Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha,” the audit body said in a statement.

This report contains the results of audit of the transactions for the year ended March 2020 pertaining to the Department of Defence, the Indian Army, the Inter-Services Organisations such as Military Engineer Services (MES), Canteen Stores Department (CSD), etc., the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Ordnance Factories under the Ministry of Defence, it said.

The CAG has also shared about its findings on the acquisition of artillery gun system among other areas.

“The replacement of the existing artillery guns with state-of-the-art guns has been progressing at a slow pace for over the last two decades.

“Of the six proposals for acquisition/upgradation of artillery guns, only three culminated into contracts constituting 17 per cent out of the total numbers of artillery guns planned for acquisition. The acquisition process suffered from delays at various stages of procurement,” the statement said.

Requests for Proposal (RFP) were issued, retracted, and again issued due to “poor response/non-compliance to the qualitative requirements” by the vendors, it said. Further, the process of the field evaluation was not standardised with respect to the time period involved, it said.

The delays underscore the need for the ministry/Army headquarters to ensure that qualitative requirements for capital acquisition of weapon systems are formulated on realistic basis by predicating the entire process on a rigorous technology scan, and also devising a mechanism for speedy field/staff evaluations, the statement said.

Among other findings, it said the audit of 13 out of 62 Cantonment Boards (CBs) in the country revealed “several lacunae” in the civic amenities provided by the boards to their residents, according to the statement by the CAG.

It said only one CB had a functional sewage treatment plant and five CBs had solid waste processing plants for scientific disposal of solid waste.

Eleven CBs were inadequately equipped to provide medical services to their residents, it said.

Two CBs were heavily dependent on grants-in-aid. Allocation against the demands of funds for creation of capital assets was meagre in the selected CBs, it said.

Further, an amount of Rs 2461.16 crore was outstanding against the Defence Services and other central/state government departments on account of municipal taxes and service charges raised by these CBs, the statement said.

Besides, construction of three twin Igloos, four explosive store houses and allied works were taken up in May 2003. However, due to ambiguity in contract documents leading to dispute (May 2007) with the contractor, construction of the assets could only be completed in December 2013, it said.

“Further, despite an expenditure Rs 4.01 crore, the Igloos were also not built to the desired concrete specifications and the net explosive content of Igloos was downgraded. “Moreover, only one Igloo was put to use in June 2022, which also suffered from profuse leakage and seepage in monsoon. Thus the intended benefits of constructing Igloos for storage of ammunition could not be derived,” it observed in the statement.

Snow and Avalanche Establishment (SASE) under the aegis of DRDO is responsible to provide avalanche forecasting support to the services including advice on avalanche control measures.

“Although SASE was aware (2017) of the need to increase the number of Manual Observatories (MO)/Automatic Weather Stations (AWS) to improve forecasting accuracy, a comprehensive plan of action for the purpose was yet to be finalised,” it flagged.

The sanction of a new Ordnance Factory at Korwa was accorded (October 2007) by the Ministry of Defence for manufacture of two types of carbines viz. Close Quarter Battle (CQB) carbines through import with Transfer of Technology (ToT) and of Protective carbines through indigenous production.

“However, neither of the carbines could be developed (March 2022) as per Army’s specification even after a lapse of 14 years of the project sanction,” it said.

“Ordnance Factory Khamaria (OFK) was unable to successfully test the indigenously developed Arming Device of an ammunition even after a lapse of 17 years of the Transfer of Technology (ToT) contract with the OEM due to inordinate delay of more than 10 years in procurement of the Flight Data Recorder.

“Despite lack of prescribed testing infrastructure, OFK injudiciously procured bulk quantity of raw material and manufactured bulk quantity of Arming Devices which resulted in idle investment of Rs 77.11 crore,” the statement said.

Canteen Stores Department Head Office (CSD HO) processes bills for payment to the suppliers through an outdated software programme, it said.

The continued use of the outdated software, coupled with inadequate controls enabled multiple entries of the same bills in the system resulting in “several instances of double payments” to suppliers, it said. PTI KND TDS TDS
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https://twitter.com/ang3lkenny/status/1 ... 39073?s=20 --->

Hurray for the ATAGS. It was known already after DAC AoN but good to hear. (From Bharat Forge call)

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Found this very very ingenious.
Looks like a MRSI(Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact) fire but all done manually.
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Its possible that the M777 will get upgraded to a 52-caliber barrel. Might be a new gun.
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ramana wrote:Its possible that the M777 will get upgraded to a 52-caliber barrel. Might be a new gun.
M777 has been available in 52 calibre since day one. It's just that the US didn't buy it.

The US is currently developing the ERCA for both towed and self propelled applications. It's a 58 calibre piece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1299_howitzer

https://www.army.mil/article/211410/arm ... otype_demo

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Ok.
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After Hanwha’s K-9 Vajra, submarines are the potential area to collaborate with India, says Kim Dae-Young, EVP
https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... p-3144944/
27 June 2023
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https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... s-3145237/

June 27, 2023
The Indian Army has initiated a fresh batch of 155mm/ 52 calibre tracked self-propelled howitzer K9 Vajra-T. It is learnt that the repeat order is making progress under the procurement process.
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I don't know how many of you are involved in LSP production.
Industrial Engineering has a discipline on production line start-up.
A line is stabilized when there are no discrepancies reports and corrective action.
Then there is Learning Curve statistics. The first few articles take varying time to produce goods.
Indian military production LSP order is usually 45 articles.
If there are production discrepancies until they are resolved its still trial production.
So when do you certify the line?
When a minimum of three successive articles are produced with zero defects.

So if you don't know please don't give gnan.
I will give warnings to those who give bokwas gnan.
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... munitions/

Describes the two US rounds carrying sub-munitions.

Does Pak OF have a facility for making such shells?
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Never mind the Pakistanis. The erstwhile OFB has not been getting orders from the Indian army for 155 shells as per this report. For the last 4 years.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 715181.cms

This with the standoff against the PRC.
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^^^
they should supply russia! via vietnam or armenia...
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We use the Western 155mm and 105 mm, looks like we will now start filling up Western stockpiles
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From Gen PR Shankar. Very insightful.
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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -light-gun
Future Artillery 2023: Dstl develops Lightweight Fires Platform to replace 105 mm Light Gun
Published on 6th June 2023.

The program is developing an autonomous 105 mm tech demonstration arty piece weighing 3000kg with 14 rounds ready to fire.

I am quite sure that such a program will has application for the Indian light weight arty program as well. As the Indian army has both the UK origin 105mm gun as well as the the Indian 105 mm.

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2022/02/ ... placement/

The L118 105mm Light Gun Replacement
February 11, 2022
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