Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

The Military Issues & History Forum is a venue to discuss issues relating to the military aspects of the Indian Armed Forces, whether the past, present or future. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
bharathp
BRFite
Posts: 174
Joined: 24 Jul 2017 03:44

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby bharathp » 14 Feb 2021 14:56

bharathp wrote:
Bharadwaj wrote:The Chief again says they need to take a call on mk2. The AMCA is a sure thing based on what he says.


from the video:
mk2 is projected to be between amca and lca mk1A
mk1A confirmed, AMCA confirmed, mk2 yet to take a call
114 aircraft are on a separate "level" of technology - rafale equivalent or a shade better" - this will be handed to private sector
MRFA/MRCA is seen as a parallel to DPSU supply chain of Tejas variants. seen as "energizing" the fighter development eco system by adding private companies

so the 114 MRCA are still on the cards!

Shekhar Singh
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 34
Joined: 16 Sep 2018 14:55

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Shekhar Singh » 14 Feb 2021 14:59

If mrfa will happen then forget tejas mk2.

LakshmanPST
BRFite
Posts: 390
Joined: 05 Apr 2019 18:23

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby LakshmanPST » 14 Feb 2021 16:30

From the Chief's interview, one thing us confirmed---> Tejas Mk2 production will commence only after production of Mk1A will be completed.
-
From Satheesh Reddy Sir's presentation, the targeted dates for 'Ready for Production' are as follows:-
2026 - Tejas Mk2
2030 - AMCA Mk1
2034 - AMCA Mk2
-
AMCA Mk1 will be 2 squadrons only. AMCA Mk2 would need time for development, integration and testing of a new engine. Also, AMCA production will be done by PPP model, not HAL.

So, there is a gap of 7-8 years between Tejas Mk1A production end and AMCA Mk2 production start...

Tejas Mk2 will indeed be bought in this gap, but I guess will be only replacement of 6-7 squadrons of Mirage 2000s and MIG29s, whose retirement may start from 2032 onwards considering worst case scenario...

So, I still believe that 170 jets number floating around sometime back is realistic. It will be 8-9 squadrons depending on no. of jets per squadron. It may come down to 120 jets, but not below it.

Kanson
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3062
Joined: 20 Oct 2006 21:00

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Kanson » 16 Feb 2021 22:53

I see not anything new in IAF Chief's statement. He perhaps expressing the current stage of IAF's procurement plan (based on various developmental activities).

--> between LCA MK1A & AMCA...
Expression is just the logical reasoning Not necessarily the exact production plan. So it may start even before MK1A production or it could be late.

astal
BRFite
Posts: 171
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 03:06
Location: virtual back bench

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby astal » 17 Feb 2021 00:29

The IAF is sure to buy more Tejas Mk2 and also invest in ORCA eventually.

In the Tejas Discussions between Shri Kota Ji, AM P. Rajkumar and AM Matheshwaran, it is clear that many new technologies need to be developed for AMCA. There is also the matter of operating costs. Based on what we know about stealth aircraft, AMCA will have higher operating costs. Over the next 40 years IAF will need low cost machines that can deliver heavy ordinance. AMCA's can be used to kick open the doors, tip of the spear in handling BWR combat and other specialized roles. Tejas Mk1A, Mk2 and ORCA will perform the rest of the more mundane tasks and provide a number surge when needed.

SaiK
BRF Oldie
Posts: 36423
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 12:31
Location: NowHere

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby SaiK » 18 Feb 2021 22:13

Excellent technical interview by Sriram. Was this linked here?
https://youtu.be/I4QFS__O3Ck

rajsunder
BRFite
Posts: 698
Joined: 01 Jul 2006 02:38
Location: MASA Land

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby rajsunder » 18 Feb 2021 22:56

astal wrote:The IAF is sure to buy more Tejas Mk2 and also invest in ORCA eventually.

In the Tejas Discussions between Shri Kota Ji, AM P. Rajkumar and AM Matheshwaran, it is clear that many new technologies need to be developed for AMCA. There is also the matter of operating costs. Based on what we know about stealth aircraft, AMCA will have higher operating costs. Over the next 40 years IAF will need low cost machines that can deliver heavy ordinance. AMCA's can be used to kick open the doors, tip of the spear in handling BWR combat and other specialized roles. Tejas Mk1A, Mk2 and ORCA will perform the rest of the more mundane tasks and provide a number surge when needed.

When even US is trying to build a brand new 4.5 Gen aircraft to replace F16, I think people in know have wisely decided to go for TEDBF and IAF has any quality people at helm, they will also go for ORCA.

Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 10944
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 18 Feb 2021 23:26

SaiK wrote:Excellent technical interview by Sriram. Was this linked here?
https://youtu.be/I4QFS__O3Ck

Video already added on page 1 and every word has been dissected by the jingos.

KSingh
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 79
Joined: 16 Jun 2020 17:52

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby KSingh » 19 Feb 2021 00:19

rajsunder wrote:
astal wrote:The IAF is sure to buy more Tejas Mk2 and also invest in ORCA eventually.

In the Tejas Discussions between Shri Kota Ji, AM P. Rajkumar and AM Matheshwaran, it is clear that many new technologies need to be developed for AMCA. There is also the matter of operating costs. Based on what we know about stealth aircraft, AMCA will have higher operating costs. Over the next 40 years IAF will need low cost machines that can deliver heavy ordinance. AMCA's can be used to kick open the doors, tip of the spear in handling BWR combat and other specialized roles. Tejas Mk1A, Mk2 and ORCA will perform the rest of the more mundane tasks and provide a number surge when needed.

When even US is trying to build a brand new 4.5 Gen aircraft to replace F16, I think people in know have wisely decided to go for TEDBF and IAF has any quality people at helm, they will also go for ORCA.


The ORCA will surely come at the cost of LCA MK.2 though?



I have a sinking feeling the LCA MK.2 will get squeezed between AMCA and ORCA and even further Rafale orders.


Just looking at the numbers I think 4-5 SQNs of MK.2 are perhaps the most one can reasonably expect right now- that will allow for there to be 10 SQNs of MK1/2 to replace all the MIG-21s, 15 MKI SQNs then (as confirmed by ADA during aero India) a minimum of 6 SQNs of AMCA and 2+2 Rafale SQNs leaves the IAF at 35 SQNs by mid/late 2030s. There will be at least 5 additional SQNs of legacy types like MIG-29UPG and DARIN 3 Jags kicking around too so not only does there seem to be no room for the 114 MRFA but even additional LCA MK2 orders much above 4-5 squadrons.


So if ORCA becomes a reality then it will only be cannibalising LCA MK.2 orders

Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 7074
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Anujan » 19 Feb 2021 01:47

In which case, it is better to retire MK 1 early and settle on Mk 2, Orca and AMCA

nam
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4376
Joined: 05 Jan 2017 20:48

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby nam » 19 Feb 2021 02:04

ORCA will be to replace Su30. AMCA will be an expensive bird. Probably in the range of 150M and up.

sankum
BRFite
Posts: 1011
Joined: 20 Dec 2004 21:45

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby sankum » 19 Feb 2021 03:06

Anujan wrote:In which case, it is better to retire MK 1 early and settle on Mk 2, Orca and AMCA

Mk1 has airframe life of 9000hours and calender life of 45 years @200hours/year . Will serve upto 2070 with upgradation.

V_Raman
BRFite
Posts: 973
Joined: 04 Sep 2008 22:25

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby V_Raman » 19 Feb 2021 03:20

So who is going to make TEDBF?

AkshaySG
BRFite
Posts: 185
Joined: 30 Jul 2020 08:51

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby AkshaySG » 19 Feb 2021 07:31

nam wrote:ORCA will be to replace Su30. AMCA will be an expensive bird. Probably in the range of 150M and up.


Su-30 is going nowhere for quite some time ...A good MLU means its gonna continue to be the backbone of IAF for 2050 and beyond .

Better to spend the money on getting the best upgrade possible and focus clean sheet development efforts on AMCA and TEDBF , Two extremely complex programs that definitely will take a huge amount of resources and budget .

If TEDBF is successful that may open up a future IAF variant like ORCA but that's all speculation for now

Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 10944
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 07:40

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 93760?s=20 ---> The study will include a “clean sheet design” for a new “four-and-a-half-gen or fifth-gen-minus” fighter to replace the F-16 : US Air Force Chief of Staff.

Twitter responses below to the tweet above ^^^

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 22182?s=20 ---> Now please stop asking "why LCA Mk2".

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... 29700?s=20 ---> Remember guys, when IAF and Indian Navy said they want 4.5++ generation fighters post 2030, they are being myopic. But now USAF does it, there will be scores of articles dissecting this and proclaiming it eminently sensible. Tejas Mk 2 and TEDBF have bright bright futures.

https://twitter.com/MI6GB/status/136231 ... 06433?s=20 ---> To all those asking why is India building 4.5 gen aircraft when the world is moving on to 5th, 6th gen aircraft.

Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 10944
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2021 07:51

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1364587330590408705?s=20 ---> In a pre-recorded panel discussion for AFA's Air Warfare Symposium today, General Timothy Ray, head of Global Strike Command, says this about the Northrop Grumman B-21 ---> "It would take me years to integrate a new stand-off missile on the B-2. It will take me months with the B-21."

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 14890?s=20 ---> Same reason why Tejas MWF scores over the Rafale, Mirage and all other "closed systems" (from our perspective).

https://twitter.com/sridhar__TN/status/ ... 20739?s=20 ---> Programming and integrating must be easy with open architecture.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 07587?s=20 ---> We own the entire process.

Kartik
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5483
Joined: 04 Feb 2004 12:31

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Kartik » 10 Mar 2021 14:06

From Dr Satish Reddy's interview, further confirmation that the first prototype of Tejas Mk2 is on schedule for rollout in August 2022.

Interview link

When are we ready for India’s next gen fighter Jets - AMCA prototype and Tejas Mk 2 (Design and Development)?

Tejas MK-II program is in advance stages of development. After completion of aircraft PDR early last year, the detailed design activities are nearing completion. Manufacturing of long lead parts has already begun and the first prototype is on schedule for rollout in August 2022. Since there are very few unknowns in the programme, activities are moving rapidly.


Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 10944
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2021 07:28

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 62720?s=20 ---> Tejas Mk2 prototype to be rolled out in August 2022. DRDO Chairman adds since very few unknowns in Tejas Mk2 program, activities are progressing rapidly. TEDBF to be inducted into service with Indian Navy in 2032.


Return to “Military Issues & History Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bart S, bhavin and 31 guests