Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 15 May 2020 15:59

And let me start off by posting what the good Group Captain is best known for.

I am "high" on and for Tejas because of him :mrgreen:

https://twitter.com/SoumyaR57322232/sta ... 98112?s=20 ---> You are defending Tejas here. From all critics.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12586 ... 62464?s=20 ---> Tejas doesn't have critics. Just under-informed. I share what I know.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby VickyAvinash » 15 May 2020 17:20

Rakesh wrote:And let me start off by posting what the good Group Captain is best known for.

I am "high" on and for Tejas because of him :mrgreen:

https://twitter.com/SoumyaR57322232/sta ... 98112?s=20 ---> You are defending Tejas here. From all critics.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12586 ... 62464?s=20 ---> Tejas doesn't have critics. Just under-informed. I share what I know.


Can we request Harsh sir to join BRF?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 15 May 2020 17:44

rakesh ji...its so great to see the enthusiasm back on this thread i seriously hope that there's no dampener
as it was said "How's the josh, High Sir"
regarding Tejas critics..there are foreign peddlers too who get lifafas and cuts..hope there is a movie made on the lives of likes of dr kota harinarayana

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Postby Aditya_V » 15 May 2020 19:53

No contracts for MK1A yet.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 15 May 2020 20:28

HUMBLE REQUEST: PLEASE DO NOT POST ARTICLES OF MMRCA IN THIS THREAD. THANK YOU.

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Postby Rakesh » 15 May 2020 20:36

Aditya_V wrote:No contracts for MK1A yet.

As per HVT's tweet, it is due for signing this summer. And that is as per procedure. There were no delays, until COVID came along.

But the order will get signed soon.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 15 May 2020 20:39

VickyAvinash wrote:Can we request Harsh sir to join BRF?

It is best not to Saar. He is already putting his neck on the line by being on twitter. If he lands up here, it could cause some Babu to raise a stink. Why sink his career? Let him stay there onlee. If he comes on his own accord, that is a different story. Many BRFites follow him (me included) on twitter. Someone will definitely reproduce his tweets here. And if you really want to interact with him, you can on twitter. I have and he always responds. He is a distinguished retired air force officer. As jingos, let us work to keep it that way.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 15 May 2020 20:54

Rakesh wrote:
VickyAvinash wrote:Can we request Harsh sir to join BRF?

It is best not to Saar. He is already putting his neck on the line by being on twitter. If he lands up here, it could cause some Babu to raise a stink. Why sink his career? Let him stay there onlee. If he comes on his own accord, that is a different story. Many BRFites follow him (me included) on twitter. Someone will definitely reproduce his tweets here. And if you really want to interact with him, you can on twitter. I have and he always responds. He is a distinguished retired air force officer. As jingos, let us work to keep it that way.

how can mod baby know he's him..he can be ghengis khan or vaimaniki on BRF or some other nondescript name garud or jatayu ;-) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby VickyAvinash » 16 May 2020 00:21

Rakesh wrote:
VickyAvinash wrote:Can we request Harsh sir to join BRF?

It is best not to Saar. He is already putting his neck on the line by being on twitter. If he lands up here, it could cause some Babu to raise a stink. Why sink his career? Let him stay there onlee. If he comes on his own accord, that is a different story. Many BRFites follow him (me included) on twitter. Someone will definitely reproduce his tweets here. And if you really want to interact with him, you can on twitter. I have and he always responds. He is a distinguished retired air force officer. As jingos, let us work to keep it that way.

I did request him. However, in the light of ur post, totally aligned sir

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Khalsa » 16 May 2020 17:13

Do not bring the good Grp Captain here.
Especially under another name.... his knowledge he will shine and his Tejas will be visible from beneath the fake name.

+ Since when did we start asking Indian Officers to start hiding

Leave him on twitter, he slays millions over there.
I thank god that he is back.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby fanne » 16 May 2020 18:08

He is doing fabulous job on twitter. Here, however good we are, will be like wrestling with P****, we will bring him down to our level. The few retired officers who are here anyway post way less (and that is how it should be), twitter with it limited character is perfect.

Imagine the group captain saying 5 AAM is sufficient or 50, then all 50 AAM pasand junta falling on him with all kind of great logic....which will quickly degenerate into God know what....

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 17 May 2020 20:28

Removing Some Media Fallacies About The Capabilities of The LCA Tejas Fighter

By Indranil Roy

http://delhidefencereview.com/2020/05/1 ... s-fighter/

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby fanne » 17 May 2020 20:52

Good job Indranil!!

Remember you can only wake up a sleeping person, not the one pretending to be sleeping (with the enemy that is).
At least the aam junta who get their knowledge from TOI will benefit. Have you tried as a letter or as an article there? Will they allow it?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 17 May 2020 21:46

ashishvikas wrote:Removing Some Media Fallacies About The Capabilities of The LCA Tejas Fighter

By Indranil Roy

http://delhidefencereview.com/2020/05/1 ... s-fighter/

Excellent job by IR. Adding on Page 1 of this thread.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 17 May 2020 21:53

IR, I saw this at the end of your article....who said this?

These uninformed attacks on the Tejas are nothing new. In fact, it is to be expected. The day before its first flight, the then defence minister, George Fernandes got a letter stating:

Please do not allow the first flight of the Light Combat Aircraft to take place. The aircraft has not been developed with adequate rigour, and safety aspects have not been fully looked into. It would be a catastrophe if you allow it to fly.”

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby nam » 17 May 2020 22:03

It was a letter from Lockheed Martin. They wanted to sell us F16 and still trying.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Mort Walker » 17 May 2020 22:04

Rakesh wrote:IR, I saw this at the end of your article....who said this?

These uninformed attacks on the Tejas are nothing new. In fact, it is to be expected. The day before its first flight, the then defence minister, George Fernandes got a letter stating:

Please do not allow the first flight of the Light Combat Aircraft to take place. The aircraft has not been developed with adequate rigour, and safety aspects have not been fully looked into. It would be a catastrophe if you allow it to fly.”


Maybe Philip?

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Postby Mort Walker » 17 May 2020 22:05

The Mk1A order should immediately be bumped up to 180 to be delivered within 3 years.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 17 May 2020 22:42

nam wrote:It was a letter from Lockheed Martin. They wanted to sell us F16 and still trying.

Aah Ok. Not surprising.

Mort Walker wrote:
Rakesh wrote:IR, I saw this at the end of your article....who said this?
Maybe Philip?

:)

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Indranil » 17 May 2020 22:43

I like DDR because of our alignment on defense production.

Please spread the word through your social media handles. This is the least we can do for Tejas!

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby sankum » 17 May 2020 22:46

Rakesh correction in Page 1 Tejas mk1 specifications from excellent indranil article.
MTOW - 14100 kg instead of 13500 kg
Clean TOW- 9800 Kg
Payload- 4300 kg
Airframe life- 9000 hours

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 17 May 2020 22:50

Sankum you rock! Page 1 updated and given you acknowledgement as well.

Noob Pooch ---> If Empty Weight is 7,040 kg and Take-Off Clean Weight is 9,800 kg...the maximum internal fuel carried will be 2,760 kg? Right now page 1 says maximum internal fuel is 2,400 kg.

Please advise.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby sankum » 17 May 2020 23:16

Noob Pooch ---> If Empty Weight is 7,040 kg and Take-Off Clean Weight is 9,800 kg...the maximum internal fuel carried will be 2,760 kg? Right now page 1 says maximum internal fuel is 2,400 kg.

Please advise

Roughly 6500kg empty + 2500 kg internal fuel+ 300kg 2 CCM with launchers and + 500kg misc( 100kg Pilot + 300kg pylons +100kg cannon ammo,chaff flare).= 9800kg Clean TOW.


The empty weight is 6560kg according to Tejas website link given in Page 1.
The Tejas website link gives the max engine thrust as 9163kg i.e 89.8 kn instead of 84 kn given in Page 1.
Internal fuel is 2458kg (DRDO Tech focus Aero India 2011)
Dry Engine thrust 53.9 kn.

Please update accordingly.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Ashokk » 17 May 2020 23:26

Mort Walker wrote:
Rakesh wrote:IR, I saw this at the end of your article....who said this?



Maybe Philip?
:rotfl:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 May 2020 23:39

Indranil wrote:I like DDR because of our alignment on defense production.

Please spread the word through your social media handles. This is the least we can do for Tejas!

IR as always it is a delight to read your articles ...shared..

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 May 2020 23:40

Ashokk wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
Maybe Philip?
:rotfl:

why incorrect personal sniping....he's a gentleman and only supports natasha reminds me of agent romanov in avengers

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby srai » 18 May 2020 04:27

sankum wrote:Rakesh correction in Page 1 Tejas mk1 specifications from excellent indranil article.
MTOW - 14100 kg instead of 13500 kg
Clean TOW- 9800 Kg
Payload- 4300 kg
Airframe life- 9000 hours

Wiki page too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby dkhare » 18 May 2020 09:54

Excellent article Indranil! Please write more articles more often...time permitting.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Vivek K » 18 May 2020 09:56

Great rebuttal of Times of Islamabad IR. Can we have TOI publish this?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Cain Marko » 18 May 2020 10:28

Rakesh wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:Removing Some Media Fallacies About The Capabilities of The LCA Tejas Fighter

By Indranil Roy

http://delhidefencereview.com/2020/05/1 ... s-fighter/

Excellent job by IR. Adding on Page 1 of this thread.

Superb rebuttal Indranil. Any way to get this article or it's salient points into the hands of more mainstream outlets? Wasn't Vishnu Som once a regular here?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Roop » 18 May 2020 10:51

nam wrote:It was a letter from Lockheed Martin. They wanted to sell us F16 and still trying.


Yes, I remember the incident well, in fact it (the letter) was widely discussed/criticised on this forum in the early years of the millennium (i.e. following Tejas early flights).

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Postby srai » 18 May 2020 16:40

Cain Marko wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Excellent job by IR. Adding on Page 1 of this thread.

Superb rebuttal Indranil. Any way to get this article or it's salient points into the hands of more mainstream outlets? Wasn't Vishnu Som once a regular here?

To stop DDM, you have to target the writers and their articles. Anyone who keeps regurgitating falsehood needs to be bombarded with corrections: emails to writer and editorial boards; comments refuting the points in the articles; calling them out on social media (Twitter/Facebook); updating public sites like Wiki; translations to other languages than English; summary of talking points in layman terms made available to amicable defense journalists and outlets; making it known to officials in DRDO, HAL, MoD, etc. to give them an opportunity to counter; and so on ...

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby VickyAvinash » 18 May 2020 18:40

Indranil wrote:I like DDR because of our alignment on defense production.

Please spread the word through your social media handles. This is the least we can do for Tejas!


Done

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby abhik » 18 May 2020 18:49

nam wrote:It was a letter from Lockheed Martin. They wanted to sell us F16 and still trying.

Was it really from LM - this was while the sanctions were on and don't think US firms had much pull?
Although I do remember a certain Suresh Kalmadi doing something similar.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby basant » 18 May 2020 19:01

Thanks for the wonderful rebuttal IR. I am confused about ferry range mentioned in the article and the one in 2019. The latter gives ferry range as 1750km while the former, in context of endurance, mentions 2800km. Can you clarify please?

Edit: To me it looks like comparison of internal fuel only vs w/ external fuel.
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby nam » 18 May 2020 19:10

abhik wrote:
nam wrote:It was a letter from Lockheed Martin. They wanted to sell us F16 and still trying.

Was it really from LM - this was while the sanctions were on and don't think US firms had much pull?
Although I do remember a certain Suresh Kalmadi doing something similar.


Told by George Fernades himself.

Thanks to Mushy's Kargil adventure, leading to Clinton's visit in 2000 and India becoming a outsourcing center for US companies, LM knew with time and enough lobbying sanctions will be reduced.

How many times do you see US presidents visiting US sanctioned countries?

LM wanted to get the pie, before it flew...

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby dinesha » 18 May 2020 19:39

X-post
IAF to acquire 450 fighter aircraft in future, says Air Force Chief RKS Bhadauria
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... ria/593673
New Delhi: In the future, the Indian Air Force is planning to acquire 450 fighter aircraft for deployment on the northern and western frontiers of the country, Air Force Chief RKS Bhadauria said on Monday.

The list of aircraft planned to be inducted by the Air Force include 36 Rafales, 114 Multirole Fighter Aircraft, 100 Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and over 200 variants of the Light Combat Aircraft.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby dinesha » 18 May 2020 19:43

Rs 47,000 crore LCA fighter aircraft projects to be finalised in next few months: IAF Chief
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 802787.cms
Speaking to ANI, the Air Force Chief said the force is also expecting to finalise a contract worth around Rs 39,000 crore for 83 LCA Mark 1A Aircraft in the next Quarter.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Vivek K » 18 May 2020 21:47

When will the news be in the "past tense"? Doesn't do me any good to read about future prospects.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Indranil » 18 May 2020 22:31

basant wrote:Thanks for the wonderful rebuttal IR. I am confused about ferry range mentioned in the article and the one in 2019. The latter gives ferry range as 1750km while the former, in context of endurance, mentions 2800km. Can you clarify please?

Edit: To me it looks like comparison of internal fuel only vs w/ external fuel.

No. Those are ferry ranges. But, we made a typographic error in reporting there. It was supposed to be 2750 kms.

The ferry range of LCA is around that much. ADA and HAL don't care to find brochure numbers. That's the problem. If it were SAAB, they would have a flight out to see on a good day and find out how long they can keep it in the air under the most favorable conditions. I am not blaming SAAB here. I am blaming HAL/ADA. They don't need to fight the LMs of the world in global competitions to export Tejas. They don't find the need to do these kind of number generations. Those who suggest such things are looked down at.


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