Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Prasad » 29 May 2020 01:19

Fellas, enough with all this discussion about these serving personnel please?
Mods, do we need all this information to stay on the board?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 29 May 2020 01:28

Agreed. All relevant posts deleted.

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Postby SidSoma » 29 May 2020 11:33

https://youtu.be/v8kwAjD7TLs?t=285

CDS in his interview with BharatShakti cites that the order for 83 Tejas MK1A has been placed. Does that not mean signed ? 4:55 onwards. Is it time to deploy Lungi ?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 29 May 2020 16:26

Here's a nice pic from @NewIndianXpress of CAS ACM RKS Bhadauria at #AFSSulur during #FlyingBullets event. And, those who pinged asking if all IOC versions can be converted to FOC, answer I gathered is YES. Barring the AAR, IOC block of 16 #Tejas can be upgraded. #Avgeeks

Scientists say that AAR integration involves huge hardware changes and there are several tech challenges as well. But the software can be upgraded on par with FOC standards including the pack of weapons for #Tejas. #Avgeeks

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https://twitter.com/writetake/status/12 ... 68899?s=19

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Postby ashishvikas » 29 May 2020 20:19

LCA Tejas configuration - Max range 2000Km

https://twitter.com/Maverick_bharat/sta ... 91200?s=20

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby basant » 29 May 2020 20:39

ashishvikas wrote:Here's a nice pic from @NewIndianXpress of CAS ACM RKS Bhadauria at #AFSSulur during #FlyingBullets event. And, those who pinged asking if all IOC versions can be converted to FOC, answer I gathered is YES. Barring the AAR, IOC block of 16 #Tejas can be upgraded. #Avgeeks
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Lack of AAR is surprising as it was believed that the internal plumbing was done for later LSPs and all subsequent SPs. :(

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Vamsee » 30 May 2020 00:38

It's now or never: IAF Chief’s Sulur speech is a wake-up call to all Tejas stakeholders

“You are amongst the best in the IAF so that you will have to
operationalise the squadron at the shortest span of time. Tejas today
what you are getting is the best in its class in the world. Take my word
for it.
It is for you now to study it, gain knowledge, understand its
capabilities, maintenance aspects and know everything about the
aircraft. With your brains, with your abilities to synergise and with
networking you must ensure that Tejas continues to grow and increases
its combat capabilities,” he told the air warriors present there.


He said IAF is keen to look two to three decades ahead with many
home-grown systems set to join its fleet. He said the orders for 83 Tejas
MK1As will be in soon while IAF’s uninching support for LCA MkII
and Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) would continue.


“Our vision is clear. For future fighters, host of radars, weapons,
sensors and AI systems we will seek industry’s support. We need 300-
plus fighters and 70-plus HTT-40 trainers which we have indicated. The
industry must move together to synergise and take advantages of all
available opportunities. We should able to grab the opportunity and
change the face of aviation industry in the country in the next 10 to 20
years. If we do not act now we would only lose time, opportunity and
the capability as we go ahead,” he said.


He signed off his compact speech again reminding both Tejas
squadrons that they will become the core of IAF’s growth in terms of
combat capability for the future.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby suryag » 30 May 2020 00:45

Tejas today what you are getting is the best in its class in the world. Take my word for it.

What more endorsement can you get, HAL should be elated and at the same time feel more responsible than ever to deliver on the expectations

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Postby Rakesh » 30 May 2020 03:37

suryag wrote:
Tejas today what you are getting is the best in its class in the world. Take my word for it.

What more endorsement can you get, HAL should be elated and at the same time feel more responsible than ever to deliver on the expectations

100% correct. I have added that quote on Page 1 of this dhaaga and in that size onlee. Hope you (all jingos) like it.

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Postby SaiK » 30 May 2020 09:49

One of the best times for thinking ahead for Tejas. This is a turning point event.

Mk2 should instill fear even to China and beyond.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby sudeepj » 30 May 2020 11:09

Bhaskar_T wrote:HAL Official Twitter handle tweets that first FOC Tejas is handed over and inducted into IAF, shows an official letter mentioning the extra capabilities (air to air refuelling capability, close combat gun, additional drop tanks, BVR missile capability, updated avionics and FCS suite) than the IOC version. A historic day! I think in the pictures is the CMD HAL Madhavan handing over documents to CAS.

Images below are from LiveFist and Tarmak007 Twitter accounts.

@HALHQBLR, 27 May 2020, 2:30PM IST

HAL Produced FOC Standard LCAs Join IAF Stable @drajaykumar_ias @DefProdnIndia @SpokespersonMoD @PTI_News @IAF_MCC @gopalsutar


https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/1265568462992261127?s=19
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PS1 - I would love to produce that letter here as an image but I am afraid if I upload that image to any popular site such as "imgbb", it might get deleted in few months. So, please provide education, where do you upload pictures and how? (In old times, like a decade ago, the page 1 of Dhaaga used to have those details). Admins, Mods - Kindly help.

PS2 - Thank you BalaVignesh and Bharadwaj.


New drop tanks for the FOC aircraft? Are these the supersonic droptanks? Or the ones that are more drag optimized than the ones earlier?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 30 May 2020 13:52

One of the new drop tanks is a 725 liter supersonic drop tank.

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Postby srai » 30 May 2020 14:14

^^^
Is that qualified?

FOC brings in mid-wing 800-ltr tanks not in IOC.

Even possibly centerline non-supersonic 725ltr tank, which I’m not sure was qualified at IOC.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Manish_P » 30 May 2020 15:13

Rakesh wrote:
suryag wrote:What more endorsement can you get, HAL should be elated and at the same time feel more responsible than ever to deliver on the expectations

100% correct. I have added that quote on Page 1 of this dhaaga and in that size onlee. Hope you (all jingos) like it.


P-e-r-f-e-c-t !

Have waited a long time ..

(Hopefully will not need to wait very long to hear such praises by our sainiks about our own other shastras - Arjun, LCH, UCAVs,... )

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Postby yensoy » 30 May 2020 15:21

What's the deal with the order for 83 additional Mk1As - why the number 83? 16 is a squadron in IAF; 4 trainers in addition per squadron would make it 20; so 80 would be the number to expect whether 16x5 or 20x4. Is 3 for projected attrition losses?

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Postby mody » 30 May 2020 15:39

yensoy wrote:What's the deal with the order for 83 additional Mk1As - why the number 83? 16 is a squadron in IAF; 4 trainers in addition per squadron would make it 20; so 80 would be the number to expect whether 16x5 or 20x4. Is 3 for projected attrition losses?


The breakup for the 83 is 73 single seat MK1A and 10 twin seat FoC standard trainers. Four squadron will be formed with 18 aircrafts (16+2 attrition reserves) each, for 72 aircrafts. The additional 1 maybe for ASTE or some other purpose.

A minimum for 2 additional squadrons should be ordered to replace the 8 squadrons of Mig-27s, Mig-21M/MF and Mig-21bis that have been retired.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby yensoy » 30 May 2020 16:01

Thank you for the info sir!

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Postby kit » 30 May 2020 16:18

one can hope for a Tejas loyal wingman variant ..

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Postby fanne » 30 May 2020 20:38

I think 83 order may not be the end of it. Depending on how LCA MK2 is shaping up and ready for production, we will see more order of it. I wish we quickly settle for at least 16 tejas a year if not more.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby V_Raman » 30 May 2020 21:26

The FOC letter says there is a gun. Is there a pic showing the gun?

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Postby prasan » 30 May 2020 21:35



There is no fixed timeline for IOC to FoC upgrade yet, it could be b/w 1-3 years.

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Postby VinodTK » 30 May 2020 21:41

V_Raman wrote:The FOC letter says there is a gun. Is there a pic showing the gun?



Go to page 53 of this thread you will find it there.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 30 May 2020 23:18

suryag wrote:
Tejas today what you are getting is the best in its class in the world. Take my word for it.[/size]

What more endorsement can you get, HAL should be elated and at the same time feel more responsible than ever to deliver on the expectations

few extra orders??

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Vamsee » 31 May 2020 00:38

Video of Bhadauria ji's speech while inducting FOC Tejas ==>

Tejas best in its class, take my word: IAF Chief Bhadauria

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ramana » 31 May 2020 11:59

V_Raman wrote:The FOC letter says there is a gun. Is there a pic showing the gun?



viewtopic.php?p=2421346#p2421346

Shows the gun installation on right side looking forward.

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Postby ramana » 31 May 2020 12:07

Add 108 more to the MK1A order. Total 180.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Bala Vignesh » 31 May 2020 17:31

ramana wrote:Add 108 more to the MK1A order. Total 180.

Ramana garu,
Please don't give jingos such false hopes, now!!

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ramana » 01 Jun 2020 00:48

It's not hope but a need. Soon quite a few of even SU 30MKIs will reach 30 years. So replacing them will be expensive to spend on light fighters.

So buying more Tejas will conserve funds for more expensive planes.

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Postby JayS » 01 Jun 2020 00:52

ramana wrote:It's not hope but a need. Soon quite a few of even SU 30MKIs will reach 30 years. So replacing them will be expensive to spend on light fighters.

So buying more Tejas will conserve funds for more expensive planes.


The Su30MKI do not need any replacement anytime soon. All they need is a good upgrade package to manage technical obsolescence. Not even the oldest ones. Not unless their claimed Airframe life of 6000h by Sukhoi is bogus. The oldest has just started getting 1st overhaul at 1500hrs from 2016. And its almost certain that their life can be extended if need be.

However that doesn't mean we shouldnt procure more LCA. Even though MWF is the more definitive version, We should definitely procure 4-6 more Mk1A Sq to quickly jack up the Sq no.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby abhik » 01 Jun 2020 01:16

OT but it was disappointing to see the MKI line come to a close - they should have ordered at least another 24 or so, just for attrition and replacements for when the midlife upgrade happens.

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Postby Haridas » 01 Jun 2020 09:19

abhik wrote:OT but it was disappointing to see the MKI line come to a close - they should have ordered at least another 24 or so, just for attrition and replacements for when the midlife upgrade happens.

Don't be taken by teh syndrome that when your toolk kit only has a hammer all problem look like nail.

SU30 is very expensive to acquire as well to operate & maintain. Throwing scarce money unwisely

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Postby srai » 01 Jun 2020 09:49

^^^
If affordability is a top criteria, then GoI has to double down on more LCA MK.1/A orders. Cheapest to buy and operate by far.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Jun 2020 11:05

ashishvikas wrote:LCA Tejas configuration - Max range 2000Km

https://twitter.com/Maverick_bharat/sta ... 91200?s=20

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Interesting 2000Km range with this payload. Not headline grabbing Ferry range. With lighter 2 BVR AAM instead of the Bombs, it will be even greater.

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Postby Haridas » 01 Jun 2020 12:27

Aditya_V wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:LCA Tejas configuration - Max range 2000Km

Interesting 2000Km range with this payload. Not headline grabbing Ferry range. With lighter 2 BVR AAM instead of the Bombs, it will be even greater.


So how is max range different from ferry range?

Ferry range definition is unambiguous w.r.t the configuration of the aircraft.

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Postby Aditya_V » 01 Jun 2020 12:39

Ferry range is Subsonic flight without any payload not using the engine to maximum non after burning thrust- the most fuel efficient regime with respect to engine thrust and altitude. Max Range including a payload of missiles and Bombs indicates a range using Military thrust 100% power without afterburner, using altitudes which may not that fuel efficient etc and ability to some fighting.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 01 Jun 2020 13:34

3rd #LCA #Tejas line for 18 @IAF_MCC trainers.

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 62112?s=20

https://epaper.mailtoday.in/m5/2695826/ ... 0#page/9/1

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Third line for Tejas..?? Thats unexpected. The plan was to continue with existing 2 lines which have 16/yr capacity, to deliver the 16 FOC MK1 by March 2021, followed by the 18 Trainers batch for over 2 yrs, followed by the Mk1A batch. And side by side the Pvt Tier 1 to bolster

https://twitter.com/nileshjrane/status/ ... 85409?s=19


https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 18498?s=19
Line #3 is a dedicated trainer assembly line- total 18 trainers planned - 4 IOC-4 FOC- 10 Mk1A

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 01 Jun 2020 16:11

New images !!

Heartening sight of increasing numbers of the Tejas LCA in Sqn service (PTI)

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 16768?s=20

How many Tejas do you see :?:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 01 Jun 2020 17:00

^^ 8 (7 WITH NOSE RADOMES....one with the tail only)
what is the thing on tail..i saw something similar on rafale too

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Postby basant » 01 Jun 2020 17:29

ArjunPandit wrote:^^ 8 (7 WITH NOSE RADOMES....one with the tail only)
what is the thing on tail..i saw something similar on rafale too

Radar Warning Recievers (RWR). Rafale has laser detecting sensors and MAWS in addition.


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