Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Kartik » 20 Mar 2019 02:17

LCA - Light Combat Aircraft not to be confused with the Tejas LCA.

So the Tejas Mk1A (which AFAIK is the type to be offered based on the timelines for when RMAF wants to induct the type) will be competing against M-346 which has a light fighter variant with a radar, JF-17, FA-50 and the Yak-130 which doesn't yet have a radar equipped variant. A lot will depend on the performance that the RMAF wants from its LCA. The Tejas Mk1 and JF-17 will trump all the rest in flight envelope, performance of weapons, radar, etc. But there will be advantages for the M-346 and FA-50 in their larger customer base and the fact that they're established advanced or even LIFT trainers.

Since the Hawks are to be replaced along with the MB-339CM over 10-15 years, that timeline is the one factor that gives me comfort. In another 5-6 years (by when I would expect the Malaysians to make a decision) the Tejas Mk1A will be in squadron service with 24 fighters being assembled per year and the LCA SPORT version should have been rolled out as well.

Malaysia- Maritime Surveillance, UAV, radars and LCA are priority

After years of seeking a multi-role fighter, the RMAF has now pushed the LCA program to the top. The LCA is to replace the RMAF’s multi-type light aircraft fleet, consisting of the BAE Hawk 108/208 and the Aermacchi MB-339CM, which is having logistics and maintenance issues. He noted that a modern LCA has multi-role capability close to a full-fledged fighter, but has lower capital and operating costs.

Affendi acknowledged that the RMAF has received information on the Korea Aerospace Industries FA-50 Golden Eagle, Leonardo M346, HAL Tejas, PAC JF-17, and the Yakovlev Yak-130 and is expecting more proposals. “Starting the RFI now gives us the lead time to make feasibility studies as we await government approval to start the project. As we are also seeking a Fighter Lead-In Trainer (FLIT), the aircraft must complement both roles,” he said. “We are working under realistic financial capability, hence the LCA has to come ahead of the MRCA program unless the government has the budget to allow us to go ahead with both at the same time.”

Affendi commented that the Hawk 108/208 is in its 25th year of service and is approaching its "shelf-life," and maintenance costs are rising. It will be gradually replaced along with the MB-339CM over 10 to 15 years. He added that the RMAF is still open to operate a mix of Eastern- and Western-bloc aircraft, as the air arm wants to have the best balance of capability. “After 20 years of mixed platforms, we have learned quite a bit and are aware what are the things we want and what are the issues to look out for.”

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 20 Mar 2019 02:45

Of the five aircraft (FA-50 Golden Eagle, Leonardo M346, HAL Tejas/SPORT, JF-17 and the Yak 130) in competition, the JF-17 is the weakest of the link.

Of the five, the FA-50 is the most serious competitor to the HAL Tejas/SPORT. Both types use the General Electric F404 turbofan, so this will be interesting to watch. As per wiki chacha, the 2012 unit cost for the FA-50 is US $30 million.

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Postby brar_w » 20 Mar 2019 03:10

An advanced trainer that can also double up as an attack aircraft is what the F/A-50 is designed for as they have a number of iterations at different price points they can offer between the T-50 and the F/A-50 depending whether the customers want a like type or the same aircraft doing both missions. Plus it already has had export success both in the region and outside so it will probably be the one to beat in that competition though it will likely be more costly than the Master or the Yak-130. JF-17 can't compete because it does not meat the training requirement as far as I can see. If the SPORT can pick up domestic orders or have some sort of solid plan of being in service by the time this competition is going to be decided then it will be a formidable competitor. Otherwise it will be a tough sell to ask the Malaysian air force to be a new customer for the type. If on the other hand the priorities the type's fighter capabilities then the LCA will be the top performer....But export success needs a capable aircraft, marketing and adequate foreign military sales, offsets and support. HAL needs to develop that too to be competitive...

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Postby Kartik » 20 Mar 2019 04:35

Dr. Girish Deodhare's interview with AeroMag, Feb 2019 issue

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Major points:

- Major weapons detachment in November-December 2018, where over 300 bombs were dropped over a 100 sorties.
- Aerial refueling trials done at different altitudes
- Software updates on the basis of those trials are in progress
- Confirmation of Astra BVRAAM and Brahmos NG integration being planned
- Integration of the indigenous LRDE Uttam AESA on Tejas prototypes progressing
- ADA supporting HAL for Mk1A Avionics and FCS upgrades
- Twin seater probe not identical to the single seater probe and design mods are on for the trainer to incorporate it
- Production Standard drawings for the trainer will be released by June 2019. Trainer production can begin after that
- LCA Navy Mk2 design completed and aircraft is being realised. Should be ready in 18 months (~Aug 2020)
- Major part of the AMCA design is done
- AMCA configuration is finalised, based on IAF requirements
- Higher thrust engine required for AMCA which is not available currently
- Going ahead with the F-414 as interim engine for the AMCA
- AMCA design project has been sanctioned and within 7 years the AMCA should be completed, with GE F-414 right up to certification, including the stealth part. It will be subsequently up-scaled with the higher thrust engine
- Air Force Tejas Mk2 MWF design completed
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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby JayS » 21 Mar 2019 21:27

Kartik wrote:Apparently this was the Tejas Mk1A model displayed at Aero India 2019

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I see a chine that seems to begin right after the radome and extends till the stub wing join. Now is it possible that some such change is planned or is it just a poorly built model and no such change is planned?

Perhaps Indranil could confirm with his sources.

Its just the color scheme on the model.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Trikaal » 21 Mar 2019 22:34

Pakis running away again? Or is it that they cannot afford the entry fee?

http://idrw.org/pakistan-not-sending-jf ... lca-tejas/

Chinese designed and Pakistani manufactured JF-17 fighter jet will not be participating in Langkawi International Maritime & Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA) to be held in Malaysia even though JF-17 is one of the contenders for the supply of 12 (initial) +24 (follow-on) jets for Malaysian light combat aircraft (LCA) requirement for which it has already received requests for information (RFI). Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) issued the RFIs in January this year and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) offcials were asked by RMAF Air Chief for JF-17 demonstration at LIMA 2019, last year in November which initially was agreed upon. Malaysian Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad will visit Pakistan on 21-23 March 2019 and also will be the Guest of Honour at the Pakistan Day where JF-17 will be demonstrated in fly past. Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd LCA-Tejas, and Russian YAK-130 will be sending their fighter aircraft for demonstration purposes and it will be second-time LCA-Tejas will be demonstrated in the International market after it was first demonstrated in Bahrain three years ago which too was skipped by JF-17 demonstration team after confirmation of LCA-Tejas participation. Military watchers feel that RMAF requirements are more inclined towards light fighter aircraft with a key focus on air to ground capabilities and which can also act as trainer aircraft to train pilots which are going to give an advantage to FA-50, YAK-130, and LCA-Tejas aircraft more then JF-17.

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Postby JayS » 21 Mar 2019 22:42

Ha ha ha. I was expecting this. Just the other day I had the thought whether we will see a redux of BIAL. And we do. Looks like they are simply too afraid to put their Blunder next to LCA. This will be the second air show from which they ran away.

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Postby JTull » 21 Mar 2019 22:59

How were they planning to transport the JF-17 to Malaysia? Via 10 stops including 3-4 in India? I don't think this was ever on the cards.

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Postby Kakarat » 21 Mar 2019 23:04

^May be a chinese FC-1 PV painted in pak colour

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Postby ramana » 21 Mar 2019 23:57

Kartik, Thank you for the article and summary.
So the design phase is complete and now its only a production and supply chain issue.
Do we have a similar interview with the HAL Tejas production in charge?

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Postby nam » 22 Mar 2019 00:16

So Pak are not bringing in their jocker.

I don't understand. After it is the only aircraft in the world to have shot down a Su30! I mean they could bring the hero JF17 with a image of the Su30 claiming the kill.

I really don't understand how can Pak miss out such a PR oppurtunity :rotfl:

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Postby ramana » 22 Mar 2019 00:20

OK. Tight leash.
Please stick to thread topic.

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Postby Kakarat » 22 Mar 2019 11:47

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1108959048265719810
#LIMA2019 : IAF's Made in India Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-Tejas, is all set to participate in Langkawi International Maritime & Aerospace Expo 2019 (LIMA).
Participating team members along with 02 Tejas aircraft ferried out today from AFS Kalaikunda for Langkawi, Malaysia.


https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1108959052254474240
#LIMA2019 : 01 IL-76 & C-130J aircraft of IAF are providing the logistics support for induction of LCA aircraft to Langkawi, Malaysia.
The Tejas aircraft will be participating in aerial display at LIMA 2019, showcasing its capabilities to a global audience


https://www.facebook.com/28956192809709 ... 496929597/
LANGKAWI INTERNATIONAL MARITIME AEROEXPO (LIMA) 2019 :
Langkawi International Maritime Aero Expo (LIMA-19) is planned in Langkawi, Malaysia from 26 Mar 19 to 30 Mar 19. Indian Air Force is participating in the Maritime Aero Expo for the first time, during which it will showcase its indigenously developed LCA fighter aircraft. The team departed from Air Force Station Kalaikunda for Langkawi on 22 Mar 19 via Myanmar (Yangon).
Participation of IAF in LIMA-19 will provide an opportunity to air-warriors to interact with their RMAF counterparts and foster close relationship between the two services. This will serve as a foundation for any future interaction with the Malaysian Air Force. It will also provide an opportunity to RMAF to assess the capabilities of LCA.
IAF contingent consists of 02 x LCA, 01 x C-130J and 01 x IL-76 ac along with 27 officers, 42 air-warriors and 11 HAL personnel.


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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby gaurav.p » 22 Mar 2019 11:50

Tweet of the day...initially the talk is about the NGARM.

From a respected journalist, Anantha Krishnan M (writetake)

https://mobile.twitter.com/writetake/st ... 4958545921
See the origin of the overweight theory. In India, you will find many journos who have sold their souls to videsi firms. These spineless scribes are punters in spreading narratives that suit their agenda. Many anti-Tejas folks have now jumped sides seeing the success. #JaiHind


Also time to troll the bandaars for running away once again. :rotfl:
Plus @LIMA from the schedule it shows 2ac for flying display amd 0 in static display.

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Postby naird » 22 Mar 2019 16:29

What a pic . What a loadout of Tejas. This is great stuff !!
https://twitter.com/alert5/status/1108977119911018496

Folks - how do you extract pic from tweet ?

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Postby Kakarat » 22 Mar 2019 16:41

https://twitter.com/alert5/status/1109045127194906624
Tejas LA 5010 is first of its type to land in Langkawi, Malaysia for @LimaExhibition Two aircraft made 3 circuits before landing.


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Postby nam » 22 Mar 2019 17:02

What is the distance covered from the airbase to Malaysia?

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Postby nam » 22 Mar 2019 17:06

Ok it is 2200km, as the bird flies !

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Postby chola » 22 Mar 2019 17:10

Kakarat wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/28956192809709 ... 496929597/
LANGKAWI INTERNATIONAL MARITIME AEROEXPO (LIMA) 2019 :
Langkawi International Maritime Aero Expo (LIMA-19) is planned in Langkawi, Malaysia from 26 Mar 19 to 30 Mar 19. Indian Air Force is participating in the Maritime Aero Expo for the first time, during which it will showcase its indigenously developed LCA fighter aircraft. The team departed from Air Force Station Kalaikunda for Langkawi on 22 Mar 19 via Myanmar (Yangon).
Participation of IAF in LIMA-19 will provide an opportunity to air-warriors to interact with their RMAF counterparts and foster close relationship between the two services. This will serve as a foundation for any future interaction with the Malaysian Air Force. It will also provide an opportunity to RMAF to assess the capabilities of LCA.
IAF contingent consists of 02 x LCA, 01 x C-130J and 01 x IL-76 ac along with 27 officers, 42 air-warriors and 11 HAL personnel.



Wow. Big contingent! It will be a great show.

That said, the Malays are muzzies and I would not hype any possible purchase of the Tejas just yet. But still it is satisfying that we scared off the Pakis and their Blunder just when Malaysia is looking to import a light fighter. lol

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Postby nam » 22 Mar 2019 17:23

If LCA can fly 2200KM with drop tanks and clean config, then 2 CCM + 2 BVR CAP + 2 drop tanks config, I really don't understand the issues about range.

With IFR, it can quite easily stay in the air for atleast 3 hours.

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Postby Patni » 22 Mar 2019 17:37

it says
"The team departed from Air Force Station Kalaikunda for Langkawi on 22 Mar 19 via Myanmar (Yangon)."
So about 1100km from kalaikunda to rangoon for a pit stop and about 1100km to langkawi from rangoon. Total about 2200Km

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby chetonzz » 22 Mar 2019 17:58

chola wrote:


Wow. Big contingent! It will be a great show.

That said, the Malays are muzzies and I would not hype any possible purchase of the Tejas just yet. But still it is satisfying that we scared off the Pakis and their Blunder just when Malaysia is looking to import a light fighter. lol


why do porkis do that? they ran away from Bahrain airshow too... is blunder that embarrassing in their own thoughts or they are so hyper proud of it that they dont want to show IAF even a live peep since its a alien tech-7+gen fighter jet :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby JTull » 22 Mar 2019 18:22

Disappointed that a 2-seater one wasn't included to give joyrides to senior Malaysian pilots and perhaps some local journos.

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Postby tsarkar » 22 Mar 2019 18:54

Malaysia is a Muslim country and Tejas Mk1 is equipped with Israeli Elta 2032 radar and Litening pod that is Haraam. How do we bridge this gap?

Assuming we qualify a Thales RDY-3 radar and Damocles pod for a MKM version, that will be time and money consuming to develop and certify.

It will push timelines far out and costs up. Is it worthwhile to pursue such tiny opportunities?

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Postby nash » 22 Mar 2019 18:54

MBDA might have softened stand on the sale of Meteor BVRAAMs to India

http://idrw.org/mbda-might-have-softene ... -to-india/


First they said only European radar, now it is fine with Indian radar.

If they have really soften their stand then they might agree with Israeli radar also

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Postby gaurav.p » 22 Mar 2019 18:58

sad that in the name of FoE, presstitutes like print are spewing poison at the time of LIMA. These anti-national tactics done under the garb of capitalism.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby chola » 22 Mar 2019 19:09

chetonzz wrote:
chola wrote:
Wow. Big contingent! It will be a great show.

That said, the Malays are muzzies and I would not hype any possible purchase of the Tejas just yet. But still it is satisfying that we scared off the Pakis and their Blunder just when Malaysia is looking to import a light fighter. lol


why do porkis do that? they ran away from Bahrain airshow too... is blunder that embarrassing in their own thoughts or they are so hyper proud of it that they dont want to show IAF even a live peep since its a alien tech-7+gen fighter jet :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Obviously afraid that some short dark rice-eating kaffir will kick the TFTA tires and they deflate.

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Postby Karan M » 22 Mar 2019 21:02

naird wrote:What a pic . What a loadout of Tejas. This is great stuff !!
https://twitter.com/alert5/status/1108977119911018496

Folks - how do you extract pic from tweet ?


Drag and drop the pic to your browser.

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Postby naird » 22 Mar 2019 21:08

tsarkar wrote:Malaysia is a Muslim country and Tejas Mk1 is equipped with Israeli Elta 2032 radar and Litening pod that is Haraam. How do we bridge this gap?

Assuming we qualify a Thales RDY-3 radar and Damocles pod for a MKM version, that will be time and money consuming to develop and certify.

It will push timelines far out and costs up. Is it worthwhile to pursue such tiny opportunities?


That shouldnt be a problem; FA-50 is also equipped with Elta 2032 , so its not like we are the only ones !

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Postby SaiK » 22 Mar 2019 21:47

not thundar again
https://english.manoramaonline.com/news ... -lima.html

Image https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 9592418304 Delhi Defence Review @delhidefence 22m22 minutes ago Flying Daggers and Tejas landed Langkawi for #LIMA2019 @IAF_MCC

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Postby suryag » 22 Mar 2019 22:06

Sarkar sir Malaysia can MKI Tejas

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Postby Gagan » 22 Mar 2019 22:40

naird wrote:What a pic . What a loadout of Tejas. This is great stuff !!
https://twitter.com/alert5/status/1108977119911018496

Folks - how do you extract pic from tweet ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2PgyIzUcAAu8KS.jpg

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Postby Kartik » 22 Mar 2019 22:46

tsarkar wrote:Malaysia is a Muslim country and Tejas Mk1 is equipped with Israeli Elta 2032 radar and Litening pod that is Haraam. How do we bridge this gap?

Assuming we qualify a Thales RDY-3 radar and Damocles pod for a MKM version, that will be time and money consuming to develop and certify.

It will push timelines far out and costs up. Is it worthwhile to pursue such tiny opportunities?


Uttam AESA is the possible option.

The Mk1A is the variant that will be offered for export. Given that the Uttam is in tests, and should soon begin flight trials on board a Tejas prototype, we might just see it certified in another 4-5 years, which is anyway the timeline for the Malaysians to make a decision.

But the Litening and DASH HMDS are another thing. Plus the Derby BVRAAM would have to be replaced by Astra BVRAAM.

Too much work it might seem, but much of it is in the works anyway, except for the HMDS and LDP.

The opportunity is big BTW, with an expected order size of ~34. 12 initial, plus the possibility of 24 options as well.

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Postby putnanja » 23 Mar 2019 08:51

Finally, the squadron will be full strength by end of this month! SP-15 flew for first time yesterday Friday 22/3/3019!

From the Tejas LCA FB page...

The last of the series produced aircraft SP-15 (LA-5015) flew for the first time last afternoon and will complete the routine production sorties by this week and after the customer acceptance sorties, she will join the Flying Daggers. Once SP-15 joins, the sqn will be in full strength. This will be a big moment for all the individuals who are part of Tejas in all capacities starting from designers to the security guard who ensures all safety by the end of the day at flight line. Three cheers to the entire team.
Jai Hind.

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Postby Rahul M » 23 Mar 2019 09:12

which is the next IAF sqn. earmarked for Tejas ?

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Postby Rakesh » 23 Mar 2019 09:29

Rahul M wrote:which is the next IAF sqn. earmarked for Tejas ?

No.18 Flying Bullets Squadron.

The only IAF squadron to have a Param Vir Chakra as its honour. Given to Flying Officer Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon in 1971.

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Postby Rahul M » 23 Mar 2019 09:47

is this confirmed ??
No. 18 was flying floggers at Hashimara sometime back. It's good to see them get back to a type that is more in line with their legacy with gnats than the mud mover Mig-27's.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 23 Mar 2019 10:25

Rahul M wrote:is this confirmed ??
No. 18 was flying floggers at Hashimara sometime back. It's good to see them get back to a type that is more in line with their legacy with gnats than the mud mover Mig-27's.


Yes sir.

PVC recipient Sekhon’s squadron to fly again

https://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/news/ ... 02125.html

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Postby Rakesh » 23 Mar 2019 10:26

It is a great honor for No 18 Squadron. Eagerly awaiting the re-raising of the squadron.

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