Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby yensoy » 19 Feb 2020 09:35

For commercial aircraft deals, the highest value items in the aeroplane which are the engines are negotiated separately with the engine OEM. Such a strategy should have been used for Tejas as well, so HAL isn't on the hook for engine procurement, delays, forex hedging; and engines are purchased directly by GoI or by G2G and handed over to HAL for integration.

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Postby Aditya_V » 19 Feb 2020 10:48

Unfortunately, I see this every day, we have become a nation of Traders and Bargaining. whom can you bargain with- the weak and someone who wants cheat. Nobody in a strong position who does business in an Ethical manner entertains too much negotiations and bargains. Yes 5-10% here and there.

when we fail to produce aircraft we fail as a nation, for 70 years we have been told its HAL fault, well the whole nation the top of Government and all babus in Government have failed.

Its puts everything in life as a victory or defeat for the Buyer or the Seller. There is no concept of nation and win-win deals.

This othering of failures and lack of reasonable collective responsibility is why we carried away by emotions and short term issues.

The rest of the world is happy with Pakistan, unless we manufacture our own weapons, practice with them, develop our tactics/ doctrines and implement them we are always going to be boxed in.

Everyone knows we need 55 squadrons but can be buy them ? or make lots of aircrafts without orders. Due to historical reasons Tejas and HAL is our 1 horse bet, now we need to spend the next 20 years developing an aeronautical and defense eco system.

These short term buying and mythical TOT will get us no where.

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Postby tsarkar » 19 Feb 2020 11:59

suryag wrote:trying to make a profit on a full item that they bought is not welcome. Again we dont know how much of this is true

Yes, this is a well known PSU tactic, but to be fair, they're often burdened with unnecessary staff & workers when Central/State Govt want to fulfill job creation electoral promises and they need to pay salaries of this highly unionized bloated workforce. There is also the paradox of inability to hire engineers and scientists because of this.

In IIT Bombay, these people are called NASA (Non Academic Staff Association) who go on dharna at the drop of a hat.

The reason VEM, Alpha, L&T do it so well is because of highly optimized staffing.

Even MDL is getting the Project 15A and Project 17A Hull Modules built somewhere in Gujarat.

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Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2020 20:07

https://twitter.com/HarshalPal5/status/ ... 77920?s=20 ----> What if LCA Mk-1A was beefed up into, let's say...Mk-1B? A concept by me...

HVT Sir's responses to the above tweet/rendering....

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12302 ... 65410?s=20 ---> IRST & 414 on Mk-2 only. More fuel. CFT under initial consideration.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12303 ... 15905?s=20 ---> CFT is a very big deal. Huge design effort. Not simple.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12302 ... 29056?s=20 ---> Coupled with radar, LDP-4i already provides IRST-like solutions. It's integrated on most IAF fighters and part of Mk-1A program also. Perhaps a dedicated IRST may never be required due to the integration of IRST modes into LDP & further development on the cards.

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Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2020 20:08

https://twitter.com/HarshalPal5/status/ ... 93056?s=20 ---> Every upgrade is impressive until the real one arrives! Now that's how the MiG-21 replacement should be. CGI by me.

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Postby Khalsa » 27 Feb 2020 13:31

We will expand operational utility of Tejas: Air Chief Marshal Bhadauria...

Link = https://tinyurl.com/wbc6tos

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Postby Bharadwaj » 27 Feb 2020 14:18

Wowwww... looks the part. Send it to Srinagar straight not Sulur!.

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Postby Bharadwaj » 27 Feb 2020 14:21

The Chief also confirms in the interview from AK that MK1a deal will be done by end of this financial year.

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Postby RKumar » 27 Feb 2020 18:50

March is on the door, HAL ab tu ek LCA FOC deliver kar do :(( :cry:

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Postby Bharadwaj » 27 Feb 2020 19:01

^^^^^
No that easy. Someone in the know can clarify but I believe every foc point(already proven in flight testing) will have to be demonstrated before delivery.

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Postby JayS » 27 Feb 2020 21:57

Bharadwaj wrote:^^^^^
No that easy. Someone in the know can clarify but I believe every foc point(already proven in flight testing) will have to be demonstrated before delivery.

Nope, only basic OEM level taxi runs and flights followed by User Acceptance flights. 6-8 flights in all give or take some.

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Postby ramana » 28 Feb 2020 02:24

There was a reason why Mil Forum has a thread called Design your own Fighter jet or something like that.

Adding all those options to LCA with its relaxed stability is hard.
Needs a lot of flight qualifications.

As for the CFT do consider the drag, empty weight effects on the engine thrust and flight characteristics.

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Postby fanne » 28 Feb 2020 02:45

I think we should leave mk1a - light. Mk -2 is coming and it will have longer legs and payload. There is need for both. First is a cheaper fighter, small form (can fit in existing forward Mig 21 size pens), low operational foot print and fast turn around. It is good for quick scramble, CAP over own air space (and can hold over enemy air), large number, can attack near targets etc etc. Trying to add all that extra increases the cost, size, complexity and all of that extra will perhaps be only used 10% of the time, the current form is sufficient for 90% of the mission it will have. For that extra 10%, we will have mk-2, rafale, SU30MKI, AMCA, JAgs, Mig 29. But none of these planes can do what the current LCA can do - be cheap, light, small, forward deployed etc etc.

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Postby Vamsee » 03 Mar 2020 08:36

Harsh Vardhan Thakur
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SP-21 ground runs are happening. It'll take to the air, when everything is in order.

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Postby Kartik » 04 Mar 2020 00:47

HAL won't be able to meet the 4 Tejas FOC jets' target before March 31 at this rate. I can't believe that as recently as Def Expo, an HAL official responsible for the Tejas assembly line was confident that all 4 would be flown by March end. Clearly, something else is holding up the first flight but no one is telling what.

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Postby Indranil » 04 Mar 2020 02:40

They are lined up. They will fly in very quick succession. Right now the expectation is that 21 and 22 will fly before the end of this month.

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Postby ramana » 04 Mar 2020 04:39

Indranil wrote:They are lined up. They will fly in very quick succession. Right now the expectation is that 21 and 22 will fly before the end of this month.

If you can communicate to them, tell them don't announce deadlines and not meet them.
Instead just do it.
Will be good for credibility.

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Postby Kartik » 04 Mar 2020 05:30

Indranil wrote:They are lined up. They will fly in very quick succession. Right now the expectation is that 21 and 22 will fly before the end of this month.


But what is holding them up? I haven't been able to figure out what it is and why it cannot be disclosed. Anantha Krishnan said the same, HVT is mum on it..In an atmosphere where so much of expectation is there from HAL to deliver on time, missing timelines repeatedly does not inspire confidence.

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Postby Indranil » 04 Mar 2020 11:33

ramana wrote:
Indranil wrote:They are lined up. They will fly in very quick succession. Right now the expectation is that 21 and 22 will fly before the end of this month.

If you can communicate to them, tell them don't announce deadlines and not meet them.
Instead just do it.
Will be good for credibility.

Ramana sir, under what authority should I advice them? Everybody all the way up to the ACM is in the know.

It is not something serious. They are trying something new. Large parts are being built outside of HAL and assembled at HAL.

These are teething problems of first production. The entire pipeline is chugging behind them. IOC first aircraft also had a teething problem. That did not affect the delivery schedule beyond the first few aircrafts.

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Postby Khalsa » 04 Mar 2020 13:30

Funny but I am agreeing with everyone. While they are possibly working out their production methods and fine tuning for Mk1A with the FOC birds I can't help but agree with the credibility point.

We at BR are small band of fighters who with analysis, discussion and open source keep on doing our bit to bring down all the lifafa articles being pushed by the import lobby and generally winning the minds of our populace with promises and targets of tomorrow. Its only natural that we expect the dream delivery machine to be predictable in this unpredictable world.

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Postby JayS » 04 Mar 2020 21:17

First Article will always have teething problems. Thats why it doesn't make sense to constantly keep changing specs with small orders.

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Postby agupta » 04 Mar 2020 22:11

JayS wrote:First Article will always have teething problems. Thats why it doesn't make sense to constantly keep changing specs with small orders.


Generically true...but how is it relevant to issues coming up for Serial Production ??? Was the SP lot for Mk1s a "small order" ? Your LSPs etc. are all there for working these kinks out.

Most importantly, for Serial Production confirming a time line just months before a deadline is coming up speaks to a troublingly bad culture (either they lie to cover up, or they don't know - lack of capability)... and continuing doubts about HAL's ability to productize with efficiency or even just inspire belief in their own promises/projections.

Lets hope this is a minor hiccup only...

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Postby Indranil » 04 Mar 2020 22:50

I think we should learn to make a difference between our serial production and that of the west. It is apples and oranges. The assumption without knowledge here is that the problem must be with HAL!!!

Serial production order for IOC Tejas was 20. Serial production orders for FOC Tejas was 20. They were placed years apart. Serial production orders for Mk1A is 83 and not placed yet. Parts production for Mk1A has already started though.

Also, our industry is not mature yet. This FOC order is the first time where HAL has broken down its own manufacturing design into large sub assemblies to be produced by other sub-assemblies. It is a learning for HAL. Until now, HAL got the parts as CKD/SKD and assembled them. These manufacturers themselves are new in building such large subassemblies.

People who are authorized to release information have told us that the EGRs are underway. If we understand what has to go together for EGRs to continue, then we can understand that the problem is with the manufacturing of a part. Until the part checks out, necessary changes made at the manufacturing side to ensure all subsequent parts match the requirement, clearance will not be given for first flight.

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Postby ramana » 05 Mar 2020 01:57

Very true the order qtys are so low and far apart to benefit from learning curve effects.
Either naive or mendacious procurement system.
Yesterday LMT delivered the 500th F 35 and it still has issues.
Don't see USAF saying not this, not this!!!

India can say that as import option is always there.

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Postby nam » 05 Mar 2020 02:16

11096 crores spend on LCA & Kaveri so far. 1.8 billion over 30+ years to develop a 4 Gen fighter & engine.

Less than 2 billion we paid for Rafale's India Specific enhancements.

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Postby kit » 05 Mar 2020 02:56

every Billion spend in the country buys far more than from outside, only thing is non lapsable funds should be made available for the work to keep going on and a strategic planning for acquisitions of tech and hardware in place, India sorely needs an agency similar to DARPA which could advise the CDS in matters relating to futuristic technologies.

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Postby agupta » 05 Mar 2020 03:46

Indranil wrote:I think we should learn to make a difference between our serial production and that of the west. It is apples and oranges. The assumption without knowledge here is that the problem must be with HAL!!!

Serial production order for IOC Tejas was 20. Serial production orders for FOC Tejas was 20. They were placed years apart. Serial production orders for Mk1A is 83 and not placed yet. Parts production for Mk1A has already started though.

Also, our industry is not mature yet. This FOC order is the first time where HAL has broken down its own manufacturing design into large sub assemblies to be produced by other sub-assemblies. It is a learning for HAL. Until now, HAL got the parts as CKD/SKD and assembled them. These manufacturers themselves are new in building such large subassemblies.

People who are authorized to release information have told us that the EGRs are underway. If we understand what has to go together for EGRs to continue, then we can understand that the problem is with the manufacturing of a part. Until the part checks out, necessary changes made at the manufacturing side to ensure all subsequent parts match the requirement, clearance will not be given for first flight.



Ok, I will bite. What's apples to oranges ?

HAL is the nodal production agency/owner. Even if the component is coming from a sub-contractor, the responsibility to project manage and either meet or communicate about deadlines is HAL's. I think this is true both in the West and the East. Of course, what we hear on the outside is v. limited so for all we know slippages were communicated in time to the customers < shrug> and the press releases etc. were all for the aam junta

On a broader note, I will disagree with both you and Ramana on the "new-to-HAL" aspect.

I was under the belief that HAL has run several indigenous a/c manufacturing programs - Ajeet, Mig 21, Mig 27 (??), Jaguar, Su-30. If they were all CKD/SKD kits alone, then its a huge fraud on the tax payer to call it "indigenous" aircraft. For all of the 3 to 4+ decades these programs have existed, HAL A/C unit has had Production Engineering teams who have been paid full time/over-time for absorbing and building manufacturing/production technologies and capabilities. (my pet peeve against BRF folks who cannot differentiate between project funding vs. sustaining funding). Creating tools, systems for integrating sub-assemblies, and from multiple parts of supply chain are standard concepts in manufacturing, even in India - see the Automative sector in the last 20 yrs. Now you may be right that HAL A/C Manufacturing - never under pressure for Cost, Time or Quality - was lazily doing everything vertically integrated and so never adapted in the last 30-40 yrs... OK, so there's your root cause. Still HAL's responsibility - lets not let them off the hook by painting EVERYONE in "INDIAN INDUSTRY" the same color.

Bottom line:

1. HAL Aircraft has likely received hundreds of crores of continuing investment in manufacturing workforce and capacity over the last decades - outside LCA project funding. License manufacturing IS a ToT/Investment - if the receiving organization ACTS on it. Even 30 years ago, aircraft production and assembly was planned on component - sub-system-system hierarchy; if the desire to keep current and sharp was there

2. Our expectations on when products enter service must be tempered by a dispassionate understanding of Indian/DPSU production (lack of expertise in HAL A/C Div case) expertise. Remember the construct from the 80s... ADA as the nodal R,D&D agency, HAL as the Product Realization agency. 40 yrs later, ADA can be seen as successful in that goal, whereas HAL still seems to be in the buildup phase - and yet, both had the same time to work on it.

If we were to compare vs. China, THIS is the achilles heel - much more so than R&D investments etc. Here's a case where the necessary and continuous investments were made - and figuring out/fixing why that has not worked is super important. Otherwise we will be doomed to repeat Marut like episodes... anemic scale of entry into service, and of course sufficient number of argumentative indians to start blaming each other while proclaiming superior patriotism (Import-pasands ! Five centers ! natasha lovers !) :)


Larger issues - total investment, import mentality etc. too much melodrama for me for a simple topic.
BTW, what's EGR ... something Ground Run ?

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Postby Vivek K » 05 Mar 2020 04:01

Second IR and Ramana. There is no substitute to learning things the hard way. No one complained when India paid 100% advance for MKIs in 1996 or so when the first deliveries of the MKIs started way behind schedule. With paltry orders, we expect fine tuned western style industrial setups - it takes time and money. Like IR explained this is the difference between screwdrivergiri and developing a local MIC.

And like IR pointed out - no one is complaining (or appreciating) when IAF/GOI haven't yet signed off on the 83 MK1As while their sub-system production has already started. So what if SPs are delayed 30 days? EGR i think is Engine Ground run. IAF is in the loop and is probably appreciative of the changes in the production set up that will allow the lines to be more efficient.

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Postby Indranil » 05 Mar 2020 05:58

Agupta sahab,

All I will say is rhetoric. You are asking why can't HAL work like Western OEM? I tried to answer those very question. But, you said but HAL has done screwdrivergiri for so long! That's exactly what I said, HAL knows to do screwdrivergiri very well. And I am a very vocal critic of it. However, when I extend the same criticism to Reliance/Adani, suddenly many feel private screwdrivergiri is different.

What HAL is doing with Tejas is NOT screwdrivergiri! And this is green field for it. And I support it through it's pains. I have the same support for any private company which is developing design capability. And that's why I am supporting every sub-assembly producer as well.

By the way, the JAguar upgrades, Mig-27 upgrades were not screwdrivergiri if you know what went into it. The Mirage 2000 upgrade was. Besides the capabilities it brings to IAF, it is utterly useless to the design and manufacturing capability of India.

And by the way, this lackadaisical approach to timelines is countrywide. ISRO (which most respect highly) has been ready to launch SSLV in upcoming months for the last few years. I still support them, because they are learning. They are building capability where none exists, using peanuts as grants. I will be surprised if they can launch in the next 6 months, because I am seeing tenders for building its assembly structure. This is how work in done in India. Without lying about timelines, you won't even get the funding you need today. Every program manager knows this. If you have a problem with this, wait for the system and the society to change. Don't expect HAL to change in isolation because it will not have any funds.

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Postby Kartik » 05 Mar 2020 06:10

Indranil wrote:Agupta sahab,

By the way, the JAguar upgrades, Mig-27 upgrades were not screwdrivergiri if you know what went into it. The Mirage 2000 upgrade was. Besides the capabilities it brings to IAF, it is utterly useless to the design and manufacturing capability of India.



IR, one correction- the Mirage-2000I upgrade actually saw a HAL Mission Computer MC2 being integrated. DASH IV HMDS integration is also being taken on by HAL. So not entirely of French design with HAL only doing the work based on French inputs. From the HAL Annual Report 2018-19

FOC upgraded Mirage 2000 I/TI aircraft on 29th May 2018. In-house developed MC2 Mission Computer has been cleared for service use and series upgrade commenced during the year 2018-19. Provisional clearance for DASH IV Helmet was also accorded by RCMA during the year. The first upgraded Mirage 2000 aircraft to IOC standard with indigenous modification kits was delivered by the Company to IAF on 1st January, 2019.

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Postby srai » 05 Mar 2020 07:50

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This is how work in done in India. Without lying about timelines, you won't even get the funding you need today. Every program manager knows this. If you have a problem with this, wait for the system and the society to change. Don't expect HAL to change in isolation because it will not have any funds.


True words!

It’s not necessarily “lying”. I would put it as “very optimistic” timelines. What they don’t know is what they don’t know, but they don’t know until they get there :wink:

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Postby Aditya_V » 05 Mar 2020 09:45

With commission hungry sharks all around that's the pitiful stateof domestic manufacturing.

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Postby fanne » 05 Mar 2020 11:05

personally I am ok with delay from HAL side if that is technical in nature (as in due to new parts, tech, processes etc.). The delay is not good if because of management reason, lack of oversight, thorough planning, budget, inter department frictions etc.
What is sad in all this is, HAL has not gained much from 'ToT' in the last 70 years. We might as well be at the starting point. It knows very good on how to assemble a plane from CKD kits and as people have pointed out, has done some decent work avionics wise for Jag upgrade etc. I wonder what that extra money for 'ToT' has bought us?
We cant make SC blades (In spite of Mishra Dhatu's effort) or engines in spite of making engines for Jags, Mig 21/27/29, su30mki from 'raw material'. It applies to many other 'stuff' like radars as well (not by HAL, yes by other labs).
It looks like LCA is truly our first ground up effort in last 40-50 years. As if we are starting from scratch. We still do not make 100% of it, some 40-50% by value. And we are facing issues because of it. If this is true, than the expectation that HAL will meet deadlines, or even deliverables is optimistic. It will be very close in meeting that for LCA mk2, or TEDBF etc. after it has produced 100s of LCA MK1.
The current ecosystem is not lacking, what is lacking is our misplaced understanding of how capable it is. It is not very capable. Maybe Turkey or Spain or even Indonesia or Brazil have more advanced aerospace eco system from indigenous point of view than ours. With LCA we are trying to bridge that gap, and the fact that HAL and associated companies have made or more precisely assembled 1000s of plane in the last 50-60 years have very little impact on our indigenous capability to make aerospace parts from scratch.

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Postby Dileep » 06 Mar 2020 10:56

We recently saw a tender to (use a simile) cook sarson da saag in 15 minutes. Since that is impossible, we went and tried to find out from the lab if they already have someone who cooked and mashed the leaves ready or something. The answer we got is, we need it in 15 minutes because dinner is already scheduled.

Happened multiple times. Something like this:
    'Intending Officer' puts in the most optimistic time for the project, say 15 months.
    His boss cuts it down to 12 months because the schedule demands that, considering the tender process optimally takes 1 month.
    Tender process takes 4 months.
    Tender guy simply subtracts the extra 3 months from the time, since the master schedule must be maintained.
    We end up seeing 9 months time for a 15 months project. If we take it, we pay Late Delivery penalty of 10%.
The well established policy of 'fsck the private sector b@stard' in full force onlee

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Postby Prasad » 06 Mar 2020 12:32

Is there nobody higher up to talk to about such problems?

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Postby JayS » 06 Mar 2020 20:54

Prasad wrote:Is there nobody higher up to talk to about such problems?

Things will get done when everyone's ass is on fire. until then its just - isi topi uske sar....

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Postby JayS » 06 Mar 2020 21:01

agupta wrote:
JayS wrote:First Article will always have teething problems. Thats why it doesn't make sense to constantly keep changing specs with small orders.


Generically true...but how is it relevant to issues coming up for Serial Production ??? Was the SP lot for Mk1s a "small order" ? Your LSPs etc. are all there for working these kinks out.

Most importantly, for Serial Production confirming a time line just months before a deadline is coming up speaks to a troublingly bad culture (either they lie to cover up, or they don't know - lack of capability)... and continuing doubts about HAL's ability to productize with efficiency or even just inspire belief in their own promises/projections.

Lets hope this is a minor hiccup only...


I dont like the crappy communication any more than you do. I have expressed my displasure on that and bad program management many times.

Realities were such that the LSP's ended up with too much of variations among themselves and the changes even creeped in the SPs. IIRC initial 3 SPs were not identical in every respect. There were minor variations as tinkering was still going on. We barely produced 12-13 jets thereon and went for a major change again. It doesn't look like much from the surface but too many things happen from design to MFG when such break comes. A lot of changes are scheduled to be undertaken. So things dont work out as smooth as expected even for the kind of changes we are talking about for IOC to FOC batch. Its true for even the Western OEMs. Check carefully the usual civil airframe and engine programs, there is no dearth of examples.

Unfortunately, we have to take too many strides in every engineering field involved here. Unlike the established OEMs we do not have the luxury of incremental and predictable change management.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Kartik » 07 Mar 2020 01:36

As per Grp Cpt HV Thakur on Twitter, SP-21 will fly next week.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby fanne » 07 Mar 2020 08:52

It better, the financial year closes March 31. I have a noble suggestion, if we can have few more March 31 in the year, HAL will deliver more aircraft. They are mighty afraid of that date, they may not produce anything whole year, but seeing this date, just before a month, they will produce a year worth of aircraft. If we want to double the production, have two March 31 in an year.
But jokes and frustration aside, the first article is tough, rest should be faster.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Indranil » 08 Mar 2020 01:20

Does anybody have the 3 view line drawings of the NLCA or LCA trainer?


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