Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby srai » 18 Mar 2020 08:13

Saichand K wrote:The new 725L drop tank on Tejas-FOC, is it supersonic? Also, does FOC version have OBOGs installed on it, since DEBEL-DRDO cleared lab trials of OBOGs ???

Nope. 725L is for the centerline pylon.

Supersonic ones are 450L (existing, although not seen in public yet) and 710L (improved shape).

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Postby shaun » 18 Mar 2020 08:23

Kartik wrote:........

IR, could you please confirm one thing- Ananth Krishnan refers to "tandem pylon"..does he mean the tandem pylon for the bombs (one behind the other) or does he mean the dual rack pylon to carry the BVRAAM?

Most probably tandem pylon for the bomb ..

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Postby srai » 18 Mar 2020 08:23

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• Fuel system enhancement: Over and above 2350 kg fuel carrying capability of IOC variant with its external drop tanks of 1200 and 800 litres capacity, Tejas FOC has an additional 725 litres centre line drop tank with pressure refuelling.

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For a light small fighter replacing MiG-21s in their role, LCA’s Hot (engines running) pressure refueling will be a huge force multiplier more than their AAR capability. Perfect fit for border CAP:
* Quick turn around times
* multiple sorties in a short period of time

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Postby srai » 18 Mar 2020 08:28

shaun wrote:
Kartik wrote:........

IR, could you please confirm one thing- Ananth Krishnan refers to "tandem pylon"..does he mean the tandem pylon for the bombs (one behind the other) or does he mean the dual rack pylon to carry the BVRAAM?

Most probably tandem pylon for the bomb ..

We have not seen tandem pylon for AAM tested yet. Only ones shown were in models of MK.2.

On the other hand, we have seen pictures of tandem bomb racks being tested:
* Inner most wing pylon —> 2 x 1000lb bombs in linear carriage.

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Postby manjgu » 18 Mar 2020 08:30

so what happens to the a/c of the previous block / 1st tejas squadorn? do they get upgraded or just for training/ hands on ??

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Postby srai » 18 Mar 2020 08:34

^^^
Will be upgraded at some point in the future. Most probably after the FOC Squadron is fully operational.

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Postby Rakesh » 18 Mar 2020 09:23

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/12 ... 16673?s=20 ---> In this pic, the man wearing the jacket is M S Velpari, HAL's Director Operations. This is said to be taken an hour before yesterday's first flight of Tejas SP-21. Not sure what he is checking. Velpari was with LCA Division before Govt picked him up for top board role.

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Postby Rakesh » 18 Mar 2020 09:26

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/12 ... 71522?s=20 ---> Dedicated to @vikrant2794 and others who have been chasing me for more pictures. Tejas SP-21 -- what a beauty!!

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Postby Rakesh » 18 Mar 2020 09:28

Air Commodore KA Muthanna retires from HAL at the end of the month. Kudos to him for everything he has done on the Tejas program. If you visit the first post on page 1 of this thread, you will see his name all over.

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Postby Aditya_V » 18 Mar 2020 10:11

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/writetake/status/1240101907365916673?s=20 ---> In this pic, the man wearing the jacket is M S Velpari, HAL's Director Operations. This is said to be taken an hour before yesterday's first flight of Tejas SP-21. Not sure what he is checking. Velpari was with LCA Division before Govt picked him up for top board role.

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The GSH 23 mm canon is very neatly placed, but from the place it is kept it will be more useful in Ato G role, in a turning fight the Tejas will have to out turn its opponent to get a gun kill.

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Postby Indranil » 18 Mar 2020 11:27

suryag wrote:IR and other gurus two questions. I presume the gun hasnt been fired till date in air, true/false? Second, in one of the LSPs the small little hole on the spine(pardon my terminology) close to the vertical stabilizer was have a rounded clam shape however, nowadays they have gone back and made it regular duct shape whats the story behind it.

1. The gun hasn't been fired in the air. But did you notice the unpainted area just ahead of the gun in SP21. First time ;-)
2. The inlet at the base of the fin is for the ECS and heat exchangers. The previous one was very draggy. They tried to replace it with a hump and a NACA inlet. That was tested in LSP 7 and 8. But, the NACA inlet did not produce adequate air supply. So they have now settled on the current inlet. Kartik, it is fixed, doesn't open and close. It is an engineering solution that works well enough. To me, it is an eyesore. I give the friends a hard time for it :-).

Kartik wrote:IR, could you please confirm one thing- Ananth Krishnan refers to "tandem pylon"..does he mean the tandem pylon for the bombs (one behind the other) or does he mean the dual rack pylon to carry the BVRAAM?

tandem pylon for the bombs

srai wrote:
...

• Fuel system enhancement: Over and above 2350 kg fuel carrying capability of IOC variant with its external drop tanks of 1200 and 800 litres capacity, Tejas FOC has an additional 725 litres centre line drop tank with pressure refuelling.

...


For a light small fighter replacing MiG-21s in their role, LCA’s Hot (engines running) pressure refueling will be a huge force multiplier more than their AAR capability. Perfect fit for border CAP:
* Quick turn around times
* multiple sorties in a short period of time

Absolutely. NLCA has been hot-refueled 3 times in a row, allowing 4 continuous sorties lasting over 3 hours. Given India's lack of refuelers and also vulnerability of such aircrafts near our borders. Hot refueling makes more operational sense for CAP.
Rakesh wrote:Air Commodore KA Muthanna retires from HAL at the end of the month. Kudos to him for everything he has done on the Tejas program. If you visit the first post on page 1 of this thread, you will see his name all over.

I have invited him here. Let's see.
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Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/writetake/status/1240101907365916673?s=20 ---> In this pic, the man wearing the jacket is M S Velpari, HAL's Director Operations. This is said to be taken an hour before yesterday's first flight of Tejas SP-21. Not sure what he is checking. Velpari was with LCA Division before Govt picked him up for top board role.

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The GSH 23 mm canon is very neatly placed, but from the place it is kept it will be more useful in Ato G role, in a turning fight the Tejas will have to out turn its opponent to get a gun kill.

Huh! A bullet flies straight relative to the aircraft (parallel to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft). It doesn't matter whether it is shoulder mounted or belly mounted or wing mounted. The aircraft doesn't come in the way of the bullet. Aircrafts always have to turn "inside" the target in an aerial gunfight. Similarly, Tejas no advantage over aircrafts with shoulder mounted guns in A2G gun-targets.

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Postby srai » 18 Mar 2020 14:23

Aerial gunfight more akin to: Don’t shoot where the enemy is; shoot where he will be.

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Postby Aditya_V » 18 Mar 2020 14:28

Points taken

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Postby Raghunathgb » 18 Mar 2020 17:56

Breaking:

DAC paves the way for procurement of 83 LCA Mk1A from HAL by finalising the contractual and other issues. The proposal will now be placed for consideration of Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).

https://twitter.com/manupubby/status/12 ... 55168?s=19

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Postby mody » 18 Mar 2020 18:03

Saichand K wrote:The new 725L drop tank on Tejas-FOC, is it supersonic? Also, does FOC version have OBOGs installed on it, since DEBEL-DRDO cleared lab trials of OBOGs ???


OBOGS will hopefully part of the MK1A upgrade. Not part of FoC. Hope they start working on integrating Astra on the FoC planes as well.

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Postby mody » 18 Mar 2020 18:22

If MoD and HAL want, an order for additional 16 FoC standard Tejas MK1 can be finalised in a mater of a few months. The escalation in the price from the last contract and the delivery time will be the main sticking points. However, if HAL wants to keep the assembly line humming, it can offer almost similar pricing and continued delivery of the planes, after completion of the 18 two seat trainers or along with the two seat trainers.

However, I have not seen any reports of HAL lobbying for additional orders for the FoC variant nor the IAF asking for it. Unless someone in MoD does this on their own accord, then that will be a first. Maybe someone like Vidurji or his colleagues can become a hero for all of us jingoes of BRF.

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Postby Neilz » 18 Mar 2020 18:58

Not sure if its appropriate to post here... let me now, I will remove it.

Tejas in action..

https://zeenews.india.com/photos/india/ ... an-2270216

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Postby Bharadwaj » 18 Mar 2020 19:12

I think safe to say that CCS clearance is a formality?
Here is the MOD release

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1606941#


Ministry of Defence
In a big boost to ‘Make in India’, DAC paves way for procurement of 83 indigenous Tejas fighter aircraft for IAF
Posted On: 18 MAR 2020 5:21PM by PIB Delhi

Consequent to the separation of duties between Department of Defence (DoD) and Department of Military Affairs (DMA), the first meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) under the chairmanship of Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh was held with the Acquisition Wing being the Secretariat of the DAC. This would lead to better coordination and faster processing of cases with the Acquisition wing being in the overall charge of the Capital acquisition process.

The Light Combat Aircraft Tejas indigenously-designed by Aircraft Development Agency (ADA) under the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is going to be the backbone of Indian Air Force in future. While orders of 40 Tejas aircraft had been placed with HAL in initial configurations, DAC paved the way for procurement of 83 of the more advanced Mk1A version of the aircraft from HAL by finalising the contractual and other issues. The proposal will now be placed for consideration of Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). This procurement will be a major boost to 'Make in India' as the aircraft is indigenously designed, developed and manufactured with participation of several local vendors apart from HAL.

The Defence Acquisition Council also accorded approval for acquisition of indigenous Defence equipment for about Rs 1,300 crore. The proposals were for procurement of Aerial Fuses and Twin-Dome Simulators for Hawk Mk32 aircraft for the Indian Air Force.

The DAC approved an amendment to the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) 2016 to enable review by a Costing Committee of bids submitted by Joint Ventures of Defence Public Sector Undertakings (DPSUs)/Ordnance Factory Board (OFB)/DRDO from whom procurement of Defence items is undertaken on a nomination basis. This will bring about more transparency in costs and compress the timelines for negotiation of the contract.

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Postby Vips » 18 Mar 2020 20:39

Defence ministry clears Rs 38,000 cr deal for 83 advanced Tejas jets.

The LCA Mk-1A will come with additional improvements over the FOC aircraft, making it the most advanced Tejas variant so far.

The defence ministry on Wednesday gave a green light to the purchase of 83 Light Combat Aircraft Mk-1A advanced Tejas jets from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and the proposal would be sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval soon, a ministry spokesperson said.

The deal, expected to be worth Rs 38,000 crore, is critical for HAL to prevent a complete halt of production at its facilities. HT reported on January 11 that HAL’s order books are empty beyond 2021-22 and new orders from the armed forces --- especially for the 83 jets --- are critical for continuity in production.

“While orders of 40 Tejas aircraft had been placed with HAL in initial configurations, the Defence Acquisition Council paved the way for procurement of 83 of the more advanced Mk-1A version of the aircraft from HAL by finalising the contractual and other issues,” the spokesperson said after a DAC meeting.

He said the purchase would provide a significant boost to the Make in India initiative.The deal for the 83 Mk-1A jets will take the total number of Tejas variants ordered to 123.

The 40 LCAs already ordered by the IAF are in the initial operational clearance (IOC) and the more advanced final operational clearance (FOC) configurations. The LCA Mk-1A will come with additional improvements over the FOC aircraft, making it the most advanced Tejas variant so far.

The Mk-1A variant is expected to come with digital radar warning receivers, external self-protection jammer pods, active electronically scanned array radar, advanced beyond-visual-range missiles and significantly improved maintainability.

HAL is expected to deliver the first Mk-1A jet to the IAF three years after the deal is signed.

The deal was earlier expected to be worth around Rs 50,000 crore but it turned out to be cheaper as the air force reduced its requirements for spares and support facilities for the fighter jets.

The Mk-1A jets will form the bulk of the IAF’s combat squadrons as it attempts to make up the shortfall in its fighter fleet, said Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), additional director general, Centre for Air Power Studies.

“The Mk-1A jets will also serve as a stepping stone for the Tejas Mk-2 fighters on which the IAF has placed high hopes,” Bahadur added.

The IAF is struggling with a shortage of warplanes. Compared to an optimum strength of 42-plus units required to fight a two-front war, the count of the IAF’s fighter squadrons has shrunk to 31.

In a report tabled in Parliament in December 2019, the Parliamentary standing committee on defence said “all-out steps” should be taken to ensure that the “order book position” of defence public sector units such as HAL improved in the coming years and the ministry should extend full cooperation to achieve that.

The DAC, headed by defence minister Rajnath Singh, also approved the acquisition of indigenous military hardware worth Rs 1,300 crore including aerial fuses and twin-dome simulators for the IAF’s Hawk trainer aircraft.

The council also approved an amendment to the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP)-2016 to enable review by a ‘costing committee’ of bids submitted by joint ventures of defence public sector undertakings/Ordnance Factory Board /Defence Research and Development Organisation from whom purchases are made on a nomination basis. “This will bring about more transparency in costs and compress the timelines for negotiation of the contract,” the spokesperson added.

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Postby Indranil » 18 Mar 2020 21:03

Karan, what is the development plan for RWR/RWJ for Mk1A. I thought Mk1s already come with digital RWR/RWJ, isn't it?

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Postby Kartik » 18 Mar 2020 23:38

srai wrote:
shaun wrote:Most probably tandem pylon for the bomb ..

We have not seen tandem pylon for AAM tested yet. Only ones shown were in models of MK.2.

On the other hand, we have seen pictures of tandem bomb racks being tested:
* Inner most wing pylon —> 2 x 1000lb bombs in linear carriage.

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We have seen dual carriage pylons for the Tejas as well, but just not a fabricated pylon. I was hoping that it would be developed for the IOC and FOC variants as well and not just the Mk1A.

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Postby Kartik » 18 Mar 2020 23:52

Saichand K wrote:The new 725L drop tank on Tejas-FOC, is it supersonic? Also, does FOC version have OBOGs installed on it, since DEBEL-DRDO cleared lab trials of OBOGs ???


OBOGS will come with the MWF, not the Mk1 or Mk1A. Apparently Tejas carries enough LOX to fly non-stop for 10 hours if required, as per HV Thakur. With the aerial refueling probe coming in, should see significantly longer sorties, pilot fatigue and availability of aerial tankers being the only real constraints.

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Postby Kartik » 18 Mar 2020 23:55

srai wrote:^^^
Will be upgraded at some point in the future. Most probably after the FOC Squadron is fully operational.


Surely will be upgraded, most likely during the next overhaul cycle. Contract will have to be signed for the work between HAL and IAF. But the software upgrades can possibly be done without having to wait for the 16 IOC single seaters to be undergoing overhaul.

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Postby Kartik » 18 Mar 2020 23:58

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/writetake/status/1239942371220971522?s=20 ---> Dedicated to @vikrant2794 and others who have been chasing me for more pictures. Tejas SP-21 -- what a beauty!!

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Beautiful!

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Postby Kartik » 19 Mar 2020 00:10

Rakesh wrote:Air Commodore KA Muthanna retires from HAL at the end of the month. Kudos to him for everything he has done on the Tejas program. If you visit the first post on page 1 of this thread, you will see his name all over.


indeed, he has been associated with the Tejas program for well over a decade. Such an experienced aviator and TP, his knowledge and expertise would have been invaluable to designers back in the early stages.

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Postby suryag » 19 Mar 2020 00:45

Please appoint capable people who are retiring as paid consultants to have their knowledge absorbed by incoming team members over the next five years.

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Postby JayS » 19 Mar 2020 01:07

Some exchange with HVT saar reveals that IOC jets will soon have full FOC level BVR capability back ported. That means Sq 45 can go to front line in some time with full BVR capability, giving it all required basic min capability needed for full flegded Air Defense missions.

Astra is being integrated for MK1A. After that is done, eventually Astra will also be backported to IOC/FOC jets. Astra integration with MMR is a non-issue.

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Postby nachiket » 19 Mar 2020 01:26

JayS wrote:Astra is being integrated for MK1A. After that is done, eventually Astra will also be backported to IOC/FOC jets. Astra integration with MMR is a non-issue.

The advantages of owning and having access to all avionics systems. It will be a non-trivial task in any other IAF jet and might require us to collaborate with respective OEM.

Jay, which RWR is currently used on the Mk1? Is it a variant of the original Tarang developed for the MKI or the newer R118? Are there any changes planned for this in Mk1A, like integrating the digital version DR118?

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Postby srai » 19 Mar 2020 03:10

Defence ministry clears Rs 38,000 cr deal for 83 advanced Tejas jets
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The deal was earlier expected to be worth around Rs 50,000 crore but it turned out to be cheaper as the air force reduced its requirements for spares and support facilities for the fighter jets.

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So that is how the price was reduced! Less spares and support facilities. Down the road, the IAF will end up paying more these spares/facilities with inflation.

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Postby Jay » 19 Mar 2020 03:54

suryag wrote:Please appoint capable people who are retiring as paid consultants to have their knowledge absorbed by incoming team members over the next five years.


This happens more often then we are aware in PSU's. When I was working at one of defense labs more than a decade ago, the organization bought in a lot of legacy scientists as consultants that retired and the good thing was that all of those were merit hires, not recommendation candidates. If HAL is like any of the labs I am aware of they might be doing the same.

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Postby Rakesh » 19 Mar 2020 05:37

Also, can someone tell me the production line names? I think one is called the LCA Division (?) which is Line 1 if I am not mistaken. I need to add that info on page 1.

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Postby Dileep » 19 Mar 2020 06:44

Here is the detail from the presentation by Yogindra at SIATI SCM Conference:
LCA Division is line 1. They also manage the outsourcing and supply chain management. Their current capacity is 8 AC per year.
Aircraft Division is Line 2. Here they run the second sub assembly and integration lines. Their current capacity is 4 AC per year.
They plan to reach 16 AC per year by "capacity augmentation" of these two lines onlee.
There was no mention of the "third line" in his presentation. So, IMO, that doesn't exist.

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Postby Rakesh » 19 Mar 2020 08:41

Dileep, you rock Sir! Thank You so much! I have added the info in Page 1.

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Postby Aditya_V » 19 Mar 2020 09:35

srai wrote:Defence ministry clears Rs 38,000 cr deal for 83 advanced Tejas jets
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The deal was earlier expected to be worth around Rs 50,000 crore but it turned out to be cheaper as the air force reduced its requirements for spares and support facilities for the fighter jets.

...

So that is how the price was reduced! Less spares and support facilities. Down the road, the IAF will end up paying more these spares/facilities with inflation.

This will go from being Capex to revenue expenditure.

Regarding production numbers now that we have a working fighter the people at the top must get the IAF/MOD/ HAL/Fin Min/GOi a.k.a miltary beauracary to get the orders up and production lines up. Get the local production eco system running and the import ecosystem out. But this will not win elections.

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Postby ramana » 19 Mar 2020 10:58

Dileep Two questions.

1) What about the factory funded with 1350 crores?

2) Are IOC aircraft to be upgraded to FOC standard eventually?

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Postby Karan M » 19 Mar 2020 11:52

Indranil wrote:Karan, what is the development plan for RWR/RWJ for Mk1A. I thought Mk1s already come with digital RWR/RWJ, isn't it?


That is the DR118 under development. The RWRs on the LCA is likely the Tarang-2 or the R118 (a further development with a wider frequency coverage).
The reason why the Mk1 is not equipped with a SPJ is because even without it, its signature and radar combination is fairly excellent. But once that dual pylon gets developed for the FOC LCA, I expect all the Mk1s will get it.
Easiest thing for IAF to do is just get the Mk1A's EL/L-8222 WB SPJ.

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Postby Dileep » 19 Mar 2020 14:05

ramana wrote:Dileep Two questions.

1) What about the factory funded with 1350 crores?

2) Are IOC aircraft to be upgraded to FOC standard eventually?


There was no mention of a new facility during his presentation. Given the positive tone of the presentation, this would imply there is none (he would have touted it if it did). He talked about a lot of new and improvements in the current lines, such as a massive increase in the number of subassembly jigs, a new laser jig calibrator and a robotic drilling machine. I listed it in an earlier post here about the SIATI Conference. I think the 1350 Cr went that way.

Yes, IOC craft will be upgraded for sure. Heard it multiple times from multiple people. It is sensible to think that it may not be a one-shot / over the wall upgrade, but an 'as and when convenient' type upgrade. For example, IFR probe can be done only as a major refit, while some LRU / software changes can easily phase in.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Karan M » 19 Mar 2020 14:09

The quickest change will be adding BVR capability.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Khalsa » 19 Mar 2020 14:13

Dileep wrote:Here is the detail from the presentation by Yogindra at SIATI SCM Conference:
LCA Division is line 1. They also manage the outsourcing and supply chain management. Their current capacity is 8 AC per year.
Aircraft Division is Line 2. Here they run the second sub assembly and integration lines. Their current capacity is 4 AC per year.
They plan to reach 16 AC per year by "capacity augmentation" of these two lines onlee.
There was no mention of the "third line" in his presentation. So, IMO, that doesn't exist.


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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby yensoy » 19 Mar 2020 15:51

Aditya_V wrote:
srai wrote:Defence ministry clears Rs 38,000 cr deal for 83 advanced Tejas jets

So that is how the price was reduced! Less spares and support facilities. Down the road, the IAF will end up paying more these spares/facilities with inflation.

This will go from being Capex to revenue expenditure.

Regarding production numbers now that we have a working fighter the people at the top must get the IAF/MOD/ HAL/Fin Min/GOi a.k.a miltary beauracary to get the orders up and production lines up. Get the local production eco system running and the import ecosystem out. But this will not win elections.


You have a comprehensive contract covering spares, training etc when there is a chance that your supplier may take advantage of the lock-in and use it as an opportunity to quote high prices for these items, which is particularly the case when you have a foreign supplier.

When your supplier is another arm of the GoI, they won't be as adversarial and you don't need to take such a defensive posture. You can negotiate future follow-ons in good faith and you won't be price gouged.

In that sense I'm not surprised that the contract negotiated now was basic. We can see how the a/c performs, which spares are used more than others and order based on observed wear & tear.


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