Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Postby srai » 30 May 2020 14:14

^^^
Is that qualified?

FOC brings in mid-wing 800-ltr tanks not in IOC.

Even possibly centerline non-supersonic 725ltr tank, which I’m not sure was qualified at IOC.

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Postby Manish_P » 30 May 2020 15:13

Rakesh wrote:
suryag wrote:What more endorsement can you get, HAL should be elated and at the same time feel more responsible than ever to deliver on the expectations

100% correct. I have added that quote on Page 1 of this dhaaga and in that size onlee. Hope you (all jingos) like it.


P-e-r-f-e-c-t !

Have waited a long time ..

(Hopefully will not need to wait very long to hear such praises by our sainiks about our own other shastras - Arjun, LCH, UCAVs,... )

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby yensoy » 30 May 2020 15:21

What's the deal with the order for 83 additional Mk1As - why the number 83? 16 is a squadron in IAF; 4 trainers in addition per squadron would make it 20; so 80 would be the number to expect whether 16x5 or 20x4. Is 3 for projected attrition losses?

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Postby mody » 30 May 2020 15:39

yensoy wrote:What's the deal with the order for 83 additional Mk1As - why the number 83? 16 is a squadron in IAF; 4 trainers in addition per squadron would make it 20; so 80 would be the number to expect whether 16x5 or 20x4. Is 3 for projected attrition losses?


The breakup for the 83 is 73 single seat MK1A and 10 twin seat FoC standard trainers. Four squadron will be formed with 18 aircrafts (16+2 attrition reserves) each, for 72 aircrafts. The additional 1 maybe for ASTE or some other purpose.

A minimum for 2 additional squadrons should be ordered to replace the 8 squadrons of Mig-27s, Mig-21M/MF and Mig-21bis that have been retired.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby yensoy » 30 May 2020 16:01

Thank you for the info sir!

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Postby kit » 30 May 2020 16:18

one can hope for a Tejas loyal wingman variant ..

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Postby fanne » 30 May 2020 20:38

I think 83 order may not be the end of it. Depending on how LCA MK2 is shaping up and ready for production, we will see more order of it. I wish we quickly settle for at least 16 tejas a year if not more.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby V_Raman » 30 May 2020 21:26

The FOC letter says there is a gun. Is there a pic showing the gun?

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Postby prasan » 30 May 2020 21:35



There is no fixed timeline for IOC to FoC upgrade yet, it could be b/w 1-3 years.

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Postby VinodTK » 30 May 2020 21:41

V_Raman wrote:The FOC letter says there is a gun. Is there a pic showing the gun?



Go to page 53 of this thread you will find it there.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 30 May 2020 23:18

suryag wrote:
Tejas today what you are getting is the best in its class in the world. Take my word for it.[/size]

What more endorsement can you get, HAL should be elated and at the same time feel more responsible than ever to deliver on the expectations

few extra orders??

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Postby Vamsee » 31 May 2020 00:38

Video of Bhadauria ji's speech while inducting FOC Tejas ==>

Tejas best in its class, take my word: IAF Chief Bhadauria

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ramana » 31 May 2020 11:59

V_Raman wrote:The FOC letter says there is a gun. Is there a pic showing the gun?



viewtopic.php?p=2421346#p2421346

Shows the gun installation on right side looking forward.

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Postby ramana » 31 May 2020 12:07

Add 108 more to the MK1A order. Total 180.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Bala Vignesh » 31 May 2020 17:31

ramana wrote:Add 108 more to the MK1A order. Total 180.

Ramana garu,
Please don't give jingos such false hopes, now!!

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ramana » 01 Jun 2020 00:48

It's not hope but a need. Soon quite a few of even SU 30MKIs will reach 30 years. So replacing them will be expensive to spend on light fighters.

So buying more Tejas will conserve funds for more expensive planes.

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Postby JayS » 01 Jun 2020 00:52

ramana wrote:It's not hope but a need. Soon quite a few of even SU 30MKIs will reach 30 years. So replacing them will be expensive to spend on light fighters.

So buying more Tejas will conserve funds for more expensive planes.


The Su30MKI do not need any replacement anytime soon. All they need is a good upgrade package to manage technical obsolescence. Not even the oldest ones. Not unless their claimed Airframe life of 6000h by Sukhoi is bogus. The oldest has just started getting 1st overhaul at 1500hrs from 2016. And its almost certain that their life can be extended if need be.

However that doesn't mean we shouldnt procure more LCA. Even though MWF is the more definitive version, We should definitely procure 4-6 more Mk1A Sq to quickly jack up the Sq no.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby abhik » 01 Jun 2020 01:16

OT but it was disappointing to see the MKI line come to a close - they should have ordered at least another 24 or so, just for attrition and replacements for when the midlife upgrade happens.

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Postby Haridas » 01 Jun 2020 09:19

abhik wrote:OT but it was disappointing to see the MKI line come to a close - they should have ordered at least another 24 or so, just for attrition and replacements for when the midlife upgrade happens.

Don't be taken by teh syndrome that when your toolk kit only has a hammer all problem look like nail.

SU30 is very expensive to acquire as well to operate & maintain. Throwing scarce money unwisely

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Postby srai » 01 Jun 2020 09:49

^^^
If affordability is a top criteria, then GoI has to double down on more LCA MK.1/A orders. Cheapest to buy and operate by far.

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Postby Aditya_V » 01 Jun 2020 11:05

ashishvikas wrote:LCA Tejas configuration - Max range 2000Km

https://twitter.com/Maverick_bharat/sta ... 91200?s=20

Image


Interesting 2000Km range with this payload. Not headline grabbing Ferry range. With lighter 2 BVR AAM instead of the Bombs, it will be even greater.

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Postby Haridas » 01 Jun 2020 12:27

Aditya_V wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:LCA Tejas configuration - Max range 2000Km

Interesting 2000Km range with this payload. Not headline grabbing Ferry range. With lighter 2 BVR AAM instead of the Bombs, it will be even greater.


So how is max range different from ferry range?

Ferry range definition is unambiguous w.r.t the configuration of the aircraft.

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Postby Aditya_V » 01 Jun 2020 12:39

Ferry range is Subsonic flight without any payload not using the engine to maximum non after burning thrust- the most fuel efficient regime with respect to engine thrust and altitude. Max Range including a payload of missiles and Bombs indicates a range using Military thrust 100% power without afterburner, using altitudes which may not that fuel efficient etc and ability to some fighting.

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Postby ashishvikas » 01 Jun 2020 13:34

3rd #LCA #Tejas line for 18 @IAF_MCC trainers.

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 62112?s=20

https://epaper.mailtoday.in/m5/2695826/ ... 0#page/9/1

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Third line for Tejas..?? Thats unexpected. The plan was to continue with existing 2 lines which have 16/yr capacity, to deliver the 16 FOC MK1 by March 2021, followed by the 18 Trainers batch for over 2 yrs, followed by the Mk1A batch. And side by side the Pvt Tier 1 to bolster

https://twitter.com/nileshjrane/status/ ... 85409?s=19


https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 18498?s=19
Line #3 is a dedicated trainer assembly line- total 18 trainers planned - 4 IOC-4 FOC- 10 Mk1A

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ashishvikas » 01 Jun 2020 16:11

New images !!

Heartening sight of increasing numbers of the Tejas LCA in Sqn service (PTI)

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 16768?s=20

How many Tejas do you see :?:

Image

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Postby ArjunPandit » 01 Jun 2020 17:00

^^ 8 (7 WITH NOSE RADOMES....one with the tail only)
what is the thing on tail..i saw something similar on rafale too

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Postby basant » 01 Jun 2020 17:29

ArjunPandit wrote:^^ 8 (7 WITH NOSE RADOMES....one with the tail only)
what is the thing on tail..i saw something similar on rafale too

Radar Warning Recievers (RWR). Rafale has laser detecting sensors and MAWS in addition.

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Postby putnanja » 01 Jun 2020 18:45

HAL engineer from Mysuru who flew into hearts of IAF with his matchless dedication to Tejas

Just days before his retirement, Yogi had received a commendation letter from the Indian Air Force at Air Force Station Sulur, when the second squadron of Tejas Flying Bullets was inducted.
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Postby kvraghav » 01 Jun 2020 18:50

Image
Is this the angle or the bird really looks this stunning. the sleekness and fit and finish is very good.

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Postby srai » 01 Jun 2020 22:26

^^^
FOC look good :twisted:

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Postby Yagnasri » 01 Jun 2020 23:11

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Postby Sravan » 01 Jun 2020 23:42



3rd LCA production line started


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Postby Kartik » 02 Jun 2020 04:27

kvraghav wrote:Image
Is this the angle or the bird really looks this stunning. the sleekness and fit and finish is very good.


Looks beautiful! It does seem that the FOC fit and finish is even better than IOC jets.

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Postby Kartik » 02 Jun 2020 04:28



A sight that will warm every Tejas fanboy's heart. :D

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Postby Kartik » 02 Jun 2020 04:34

ashishvikas wrote:3rd #LCA #Tejas line for 18 @IAF_MCC trainers.

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 62112?s=20

https://epaper.mailtoday.in/m5/2695826/ ... 0#page/9/1

Image


Third line for Tejas..?? Thats unexpected. The plan was to continue with existing 2 lines which have 16/yr capacity, to deliver the 16 FOC MK1 by March 2021, followed by the 18 Trainers batch for over 2 yrs, followed by the Mk1A batch. And side by side the Pvt Tier 1 to bolster

https://twitter.com/nileshjrane/status/ ... 85409?s=19


https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 18498?s=19
Line #3 is a dedicated trainer assembly line- total 18 trainers planned - 4 IOC-4 FOC- 10 Mk1A


Great news! Doesn't say where the new line will be set up though. Maybe someone should ask Sandeep on Twitter.

There is no major difference between the Tejas trainer and single seaters except for the forward fuselage. So, a third line could be used to deliver Tejas single seaters as well, once the trainers are delivered.

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Postby suryag » 02 Jun 2020 05:08

Karthik sir dil maange more only 8 birds there would love to have a pic with 16

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Postby Rakesh » 02 Jun 2020 06:14

Rafale or LCA: Where would a punter put his money on?
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... n/1977891/
01 June 2020

By Wing Commander Amit Ranjan Giri - The author is an IAF veteran. Views expressed are personal.

As the Indian skies prepare for the reception of the Rafale, it already has had the taste of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) joining its fleet in the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) version. The Indian Air Force (IAF) now has two Squadron of the LCA, one in the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) and one in the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) versions and would soon have two squadrons of Rafale on its strength. Aviation purist would flinch at this statement, naming both the aircraft in the same breath, and rightly so, the Rafale leaves the LCA far behind when compared for technological upgrades and combat capability, but where the smart man would bet his money is on the homegrown LCA.

The last indigenous fighter designed and built in India has been the HF Marut, an excellent piece of aerodynamics, let down by incompatible engines which were borrowed from the Gnat. The homegrown fighter has since, taken a step back, without adequate firm orders and a general feeling of inferiority by the military and the masses. Accentuated by the governments’ apathy towards R&D in the field, the LCA project took its own sweet time to fructify.

The LCA first emerged in its IOC avatar and lacked the requisite trimmings of a combat-ready fighter, whereas almost simultaneously the first MMRCA deal was being negotiated, the home lad was always looked down upon and considered inferior to its foreign adversaries. The failure of the first Rafale deal to fructify, gave the industry a small glimmer of a window to showcase its wares, coupled with this came the government’s policy of supporting the Indigenous military hardware to the maximum possible. The LCA now started being showcased, not only in India but also abroad, it was more to say that “I have arrived” rather than “ Buy Me”. People had just about started believing in the “Make in India” concept and were now ready to hold the hand of the fledgeling defence production industry.

What the IOC version lacked was made up to a large extent by the FOC version. The “g” limits have been increased to 8 g, the angle of attack limits have been enhanced to 24, new weapons have been integrated including the Beyond Visual Range ones, the Air to Air refuelling the capability has been added, the Pilot Vehicle Interfaces have been enhanced, to name a few, to finally give the LCA its teeth to hold its own in the fighter world.

Our defence production industries have started to emerge in the world market, albeit in a limited way, more and more crucial parts for major global production houses, are being supplied from India, a step which would have missed the eyes of many onlookers. An industry, which a couple of decades earlier had almost nothing to offer, now manufactures and exports equipment ranging from Laser optics to aircraft fuselage shells, from infrared trackers to software for situational awareness domain, the list is growing day by day. The main focus now would be to continue this steady progress and attain self-sufficiency. Easier said than done, the path is long and arduous, the proverbial child born, has to be nurtured through infancy to ensure it grows to compete against the world.

To get the present LCA to a comparable combat-capable platform would still need some work. The FOC has enhanced the potency of the platform, the AAR capability has ensured the LCA can now loiter longer and reach further, the BVR means, it can shoot without seeing. Increased ‘g’ limits and enhanced AoA limits make it more manoeuvrable. The LCA Mk1A would have an indigenous AESA radar with better PVIs. The AESA, developed indigenously, would propel the industry a fair amount of distance into the contemporary. Following the Mk1A is the LCA Mk2, a heavier, medium weight, powered by the more powerful single-engine and supporting canards to provide a high degree of manoeuvrability. This is where we are looking to break even against the modern-day Rafale. The date may not be in the immediate future but with the requisite support from all quarters, the defence production industries may pull out the proverbial rabbit from the hat. Once that’s done India would be self-sufficient.

The Rafale as of now looks a good bet because it comes off the shelf and made to order, however, it burns a major hole in the pocket and worse, if the nation once again takes to maximum reliance in defence imports, it would take us another few decades to have our own credible industry. It is imperative that the push offered by the military and the government be maintained to ensure that Indian products reach global standards.

By the time the LCA project is completed with the culmination of the Mk2, it is expected that the AMCA project would get a new vigour of life to propel itself as a true blue fifth-generation fighter.

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Postby srai » 02 Jun 2020 07:14

^^^

...

Aviation purist would flinch at this statement, naming both the aircraft in the same breath, and rightly so, the Rafale leaves the LCA far behind when compared for technological upgrades and combat capability, but where the smart man would bet his money is on the homegrown LCA.

...


LCA will forever be seen as “limited” due to its small size.

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Postby SaiK » 02 Jun 2020 07:35




Terrific! must send shudders from Hindu Kush through Tibet and all the way to Beijing via Chengdu!


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