Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 09 Aug 2020 11:47

Vamsee wrote:Rajnath Singh
@rajnathsingh

MoD has also bifurcated the capital procurement budget for 2020-21 between domestic and foreign capital procurement routes. A separate budget head has been created with an outlay of nearly Rs 52,000 crore for domestic capital procurement in the current financial year.

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(The size of the amount indicates that LCA Mk1A will be a large chunk of this outlay) :D :D :D


Wow wow this a dream come true. I am really really happy.

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Postby ShivS » 09 Aug 2020 12:05

Kartik wrote:Yes it seems like the Mk1A production rate will be stabilized at 16 per year. For Tejas Mk2, the tenders require up to 24 per year.


Agree. There is a 2 year delay in the acquisition program and the IAF has compensated by the 33 aircraft order which should be done by the time the MK 1a rolls in.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Mort Walker » 09 Aug 2020 23:43

Vamsee wrote:Rajnath Singh
@rajnathsingh

MoD has also bifurcated the capital procurement budget for 2020-21 between domestic and foreign capital procurement routes. A separate budget head has been created with an outlay of nearly Rs 52,000 crore for domestic capital procurement in the current financial year.

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(The size of the amount indicates that LCA Mk1A will be a large chunk of this outlay) :D :D :D


The amount of $7 billion is a little disappointing. To have the Mk1A in numbers, that is two squadrons per year given the current threat situation, tooling up another production line will require grants to private companies or to have them invest in HAL production. This non-recurring cost may be high up to $3 billion, but will set the production capability until 2030. Another $2 billion would have been appropriate as it would also serve as economic stimulus and improve employment of highly skilled aerospace/mechanical/electronics engineers and technicians. That money would mostly stay in India aside from the acquisition of equipment.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Sumeet » 10 Aug 2020 01:45

Cross posting from Tejas thread:

Guys please hear out Air Marshall PK Barbora (Former Vice Chief of Air Staff) he makes a lot of valid points about indigenization, Tejas etc, makes an extremely strong statement that HAL and public sector is unable to deliver because of lack of patriotic sentiment amongst workforce. Added later: As I dwell more on this statement it is indeed sad state of affairs if service IAF officials in command positions look this way at our PSU's. That does not harbor well for future of indigenization.

Guru's -- Karan M, Brar, Indranil, Ramana and others please see and comment.


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Postby Mort Walker » 10 Aug 2020 03:07

The PSUs will either have to be privatized, which is a political event, or give contracts to private companies for production which will require a huge capital outlay.

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Postby Sumeet » 10 Aug 2020 03:19

Mort Walker wrote:The PSUs will either have to be privatized, which is a political event, or give contracts to private companies for production which will require a huge capital outlay.


Private companies will only be interested if they are given a level playing field. Also, what will we do with HAL and other PSUs if they loose to private sector (keep feeding them money) or dissolve them ? Either was dissolution of PSU as they exist is the end result which will truly revolutionize our defense industry.

I think GoI has to take a hard decision here. This is as important as UCC for future of India. Some sane elements in opposition have to be taken into confidence that this is good for the country and its future.

At the same time how will we ensure that private companies don't do a more efficient (relative to HAL) screw driver giri and keep delivering foreign maal under desi wraps and just keep minting profit. How can we ensure that they are investing in R&D of original technologies ?

Hence, whether its private or public sector involvement defense is only a game for people who are actually driven by a higher than average fervor of patriotism. It's definitely not a game for folks who are looking to dip in their feet and make quick bucks or some entitled fellows who want legacy of patronage using tax payer's money to continue unabated regardless of timely results.

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Postby Mort Walker » 10 Aug 2020 05:49

The PSUs in the defence sector will do research, development, prototypes and build first production units. These first production units will be the template for the private sector which will do mass serial production. It will keep production costs low and PSU personnel will be involved in production quality assurance, logistics and obsolescence of parts. PSUs will be reduced by attrition, but will still have a significant role to play as an R&D operation to hand off technologies to the private sector.

To do this private industry will need capital. In the case of the Tejas it may require $2-3 billion, but the infrastructure for the Mk2 and further refinements will be in place.

Hence, whether its private or public sector involvement defense is only a game for people who are actually driven by a higher than average fervor of patriotism. It's definitely not a game for folks who are looking to dip in their feet and make quick bucks or some entitled fellows who want legacy of patronage using tax payer's money to continue unabated regardless of timely results.


Not necessarily. If the private sector can produce the Tejas Mk1A at a cost of $60 million/unit vs. $40 million/unit by HAL, but guarantee two squadrons a year (40 units). Then I think giving Indian companies contracts is well worth it. The knowledge base increases and capital stays within country. India just spent $2.43 billion for 33 Russian aircraft of questionable quality and availability if they are delivered on time. It would be much better to spend that $2.4 billion on 40 Tejas Mk1 (not 1A).

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Aug 2020 11:17

Mort Walker wrote:
Vamsee wrote:Rajnath Singh
@rajnathsingh

MoD has also bifurcated the capital procurement budget for 2020-21 between domestic and foreign capital procurement routes. A separate budget head has been created with an outlay of nearly Rs 52,000 crore for domestic capital procurement in the current financial year.

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(The size of the amount indicates that LCA Mk1A will be a large chunk of this outlay) :D :D :D


The amount of $7 billion is a little disappointing. To have the Mk1A in numbers, that is two squadrons per year given the current threat situation, tooling up another production line will require grants to private companies or to have them invest in HAL production. This non-recurring cost may be high up to $3 billion, but will set the production capability until 2030. Another $2 billion would have been appropriate as it would also serve as economic stimulus and improve employment of highly skilled aerospace/mechanical/electronics engineers and technicians. That money would mostly stay in India aside from the acquisition of equipment.


Government Budgets are cash outflows, not lifetime contract costs, separating 52000 crore out of defense capex for domestic industries is a very good start.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Mort Walker » 10 Aug 2020 13:35

Aditya_V wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
The amount of $7 billion is a little disappointing. To have the Mk1A in numbers, that is two squadrons per year given the current threat situation, tooling up another production line will require grants to private companies or to have them invest in HAL production. This non-recurring cost may be high up to $3 billion, but will set the production capability until 2030. Another $2 billion would have been appropriate as it would also serve as economic stimulus and improve employment of highly skilled aerospace/mechanical/electronics engineers and technicians. That money would mostly stay in India aside from the acquisition of equipment.


Government Budgets are cash outflows, not lifetime contract costs, separating 52000 crore out of defense capex for domestic industries is a very good start.


I understand that. Which is why an immediate infusion of $3 billion is needed. As usual if the funds are spent, they go back to the Finance Ministry. The Rs. 52,000 crore includes the 101 defence items for domestic production along with what can be made in India. The Tejas will need more to kick start production in this FY.

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Postby Aditya_V » 10 Aug 2020 13:58

I guess we can only pray for the Best.

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Postby ShivS » 10 Aug 2020 15:01

It may be incorrect to tag HAL with one adjective. There are committed staff at HAL, not so committed people and plenty of chill outs too.

That’s also true of any other company. In my (limited) interaction with HAL, what I have seen is that almost all fixed wing capability was lost in the 90s. It seems to have been built up in the last 10 years though productivity levels leave plenty to be desired.

In my opinion, the big issues were/are

1. Lack of fixed wing design and manufacturing ability - fixed to some degree.
2.Poor productivity in fixed wing lines - still an issue. in general too much of time bound promotions rewards etc.
3.Insufficient involvement of ARDC in design stages - DRDO/ADA tend to be pure design people, IAF and ARDC involvement is critical to getting a product easy to make and maintain. End points and incentives need to be different
4. Lack of trust - I would say till a decade and a half ago, even dislike between IAF and Hal- this seems to have been addressed since Air Chief Marshal Arup Raja’s time with the last two incumbents being fiercely supportive of the Tejas. Trust me, neither one is a pushover or easy to convince. Both are hard, tough men.

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Postby Kartik » 10 Aug 2020 17:05

From the Tejas LCA FB page.

Showcasing the capability of carrying and dropping a laser guided bomb on the CentreLine station. When the stations are populated with appropriate stores, Tejas raises the level silently but with marked confidence.


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Postby Rakesh » 10 Aug 2020 20:27

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 54561?s=20 --->

#AtmaNirbhar -ve list is fine, but what the famished defense industry needs is an order of 83 Tejas. Rs 39,000 crore order will have 7-8 force multiplier effect on economy.

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Aug 2020 21:51

tsarkar wrote:
Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12910 ... 73889?s=20 ---> Night-Ops with HMDS. Very few aircraft in Asia flying with the quality of HMDS that LCA Tejas possesses. Perhaps, Mirage-2000 is the only aircraft that comes anywhere near.

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... 74944?s=20 ---> And she’s had them them integrated for lever a decade now when they were still a relatively futuristic capability. Sir, do you know if IAF is ordering them in sufficient quantities? It seems to me like their line pilots aren’t flying with the HMDS in Sulur?

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12910 ... 93090?s=20 ---> In many 100s. Already. AFAIK.

So HMDS is there among most IAF and ALL IN front line fighters in last two decades. The HAL test pilot clarifies that in his next post. Not sure why a spin is given of HMDS being a unique capability on the Tejas.

Also Rakesh, help me understand why do you keep posting very inane and uninformed twitter posts of KSingh_1469 on this forum?

KSingh_1469's posts are very uninformed and lacking/overlooking/obfuscating facts. I do plan to respond to them when I have more time.

HMDS was never a "relatively futuristic capability" as he claims since IAF & IN engineers were integrating the same HMDS on Mirage 2000 and Sea Harriers respectively.

He can either post himself or people can read on his twitter handle. If we start posting every inane twitter post like KSingh_1469, then the whole forum will become very cluttered.

The first tweet is from Group Captain HV Thakur (Retd) who states that there are very few aircraft in Asia with the quality of HMDS that LCA Tejas possesses. His words NOT KSingh's. Please read above.

What KSingh did was ask a question (Second Tweet). Also posted above.

Group Captain HV Thakur (retd) responded to that question (Third Tweet). Again, also posted above.

If you want to refute what Group Captain HV Thakur (Retd) has claimed above, please go ahead :)

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Postby Mort Walker » 10 Aug 2020 22:33

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/1292682931106754561?s=20 --->

#AtmaNirbhar -ve list is fine, but what the famished defense industry needs is an order of 83 Tejas. Rs 39,000 crore order will have 7-8 force multiplier effect on economy.


+1. Which is what many here have been saying for some time. An order of 200 is needed as opposed to 83 Tejas.

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Postby Vivek K » 11 Aug 2020 01:05

Pitiful delivery capabilities have been setup for expected pitiful orders. When faced with 2 hostile enemies, can these meager numbers suffice? Perhaps to defend yes. But offensive missions in dangerous environments can cause attrition - therefore what Mort said should have been the minimum order. I would (armcahair Marshal) would love to add 117 Mk1s to the 83 Mk1As. But without any orders - this is intellectual mastu_______! Delivery of 36 Rafales would be completed in 2022 Feb-May(?) . Till then we are at a dangerously low level of squadrons. A lot would therefore be expected from the IAF from its meager resources.

Even now consideration of expanded facilities to produce larger than 12-16 aircraft per year is needed. GOI/MOD/IAF need to open their checkbooks.

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Postby Indranil » 11 Aug 2020 04:01

Sumeet wrote:Cross posting from Tejas thread:

Guys please hear out Air Marshall PK Barbora (Former Vice Chief of Air Staff) he makes a lot of valid points about indigenization, Tejas etc, makes an extremely strong statement that HAL and public sector is unable to deliver because of lack of patriotic sentiment amongst workforce. Added later: As I dwell more on this statement it is indeed sad state of affairs if service IAF officials in command positions look this way at our PSU's. That does not harbor well for future of indigenization.

Guru's -- Karan M, Brar, Indranil, Ramana and others please see and comment.

Sumeet ji, I am not a guru and all that.

People in the private sector have more patriotic sentiment than the people in the public sector. What more could I say?! I long for those days news was a matter of fact not an entertainment and tamasha. That's what we have reduced discussions on military affairs to.

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Postby Vivek K » 11 Aug 2020 04:21

This is a new low though isn't it - to call the people that work for HAL unpatriotic. Anantha Krishnan had done a piece on the people behind the Tejas and they all seemed inspired and patriotic. They have stuck to the job for decades and - delivered. Now we are trying to find excuses to refuse to purchase. And that is a sad situation when the IAF fleet strength is way beyond alarming lows.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby tsarkar » 11 Aug 2020 09:21

Rakesh wrote:
tsarkar wrote:Also Rakesh, help me understand why do you keep posting very inane and uninformed twitter posts of KSingh_1469 on this forum? KSingh_1469's posts are very uninformed and lacking/overlooking/obfuscating facts. I do plan to respond to them when I have more time.
What KSingh did was ask a question (Second Tweet). Also posted above.
Rakesh, my comment was related to KSingh's second question her and your filling up the Naval Aviation thread with KSingh's twitter post while ignoring Captain H P S Sodhi's twitter post of two Ka-28's on the deck on INS Ranvir highlighting the need for compact dimensions and KPS's blog posts. This is selective bias shown towards an uninformed person vis-a-vis people with actual technical knowledge and experience.

Rakesh wrote:The first tweet is from Group Captain HV Thakur (Retd) who states that there are very few aircraft in Asia with the quality of HMDS that LCA Tejas possesses. His words NOT KSingh's. Please read above.
Group Captain HV Thakur (retd) responded to that question (Third Tweet). Again, also posted above.
If you want to refute what Group Captain HV Thakur (Retd) has claimed above, please go ahead :)

Yes, HVT's first comment was incorrect given both initial upgraded Mirage 2000 and retired Sea Harrier had the same HMDS as Tejas. And HMDS is off the shelf purchased Elbit DASH and not something developed in the LCA Tejas program. He did correct himself in his following post.

What is ironic is that many here a decade ago said IAF unobtanium requirement of HMDS integration added to development timeframe of LCA and today are praising the same capability. A capability that exists in every IAF aircraft including the oldest Bison.

Infact Tejas capability of Israeli DASH Helmet mated to Russian R-73E missile came from IAF Mirage 2000 upgrade.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/iafs-fr ... ad-2067318

It is actually an example of an earlier IAF program being reused by the LCA Tejas program. It actually shortened the development cycle of CCMs mated to HMDS. Elta 2032 and Derby integration experience came from Sea Harrier upgrade.

And IAF has to suffer criticism here of "not helping" Tejas program.

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Postby tsarkar » 11 Aug 2020 10:45

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/08 ... -list.html

The no import list is absolutely meaningless in practice. It can be easily bypassed. The Gripen E/F can be classified as medium fighter. "Stealth" Light Combat Aircraft or "low observable" Light Combat Aircraft can be an import category. And Apache can be categorized as heavy or medium combat helicopter.

In Indian Laws and Policies, there are more loopholes than substance of the law or policy.

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Postby suryag » 11 Aug 2020 10:51

Tsarkar Sir kindly suggest an alternate course of action

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Postby k prasad » 11 Aug 2020 11:21

The listing at least gives indigenous producers the option to go to court to claim a grievance in such situations. However unlikely that might be, it's still better than nothing.

My bigger concern is that it will be used more by Finance babus to nix much required imports based on their cock-and-bull understanding of the negative list. As long as the decision on whether a particular product fits or does not fit a list item is made by the services and at most, MOD/DAC, it might be manageable

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Postby amar_p » 11 Aug 2020 16:37

suryag wrote:Tsarkar Sir kindly suggest an alternate course of action


If I may offer an opinion, instead of publishing banned list, just quietly place ALL the damned pending orders for home made equipment like LCAs, LCHs, Arjuns and a whole lot more.

Many things will start falling into place.

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Postby manjgu » 11 Aug 2020 16:53

announce a incentive for babus as a % of def production and see how well/quickly things move !!

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Postby manjgu » 11 Aug 2020 16:55

tsarkar wrote:https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/08/indian-mod-unveils-first-no-import-weapons-list.html

The no import list is absolutely meaningless in practice. It can be easily bypassed. The Gripen E/F can be classified as medium fighter. "Stealth" Light Combat Aircraft or "low observable" Light Combat Aircraft can be an import category. And Apache can be categorized as heavy or medium combat helicopter.

In Indian Laws and Policies, there are more loopholes than substance of the law or policy.


absolutely correct..this is typical IAS babu chicanery ... to show they doing a lot without doing anything. making a ass of Indians... no one wants let go phoren trips, dollars, phoren chicks....

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Postby suryag » 11 Aug 2020 18:40

Sir am not sure how much you have dealt with Babu sirs. Today you may place the order however, tomorrow they can always form a cabal and manage to import an equal item, so if you see what the GoI has done it seems logical i.e., first set a policy barrier and then start doling out the orders so that tomorrow if some other dispensation comes in they cant stall the orders easily.

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Postby Rsatchi » 11 Aug 2020 19:08

suryag wrote:Sir am not sure how much you have dealt with Babu sirs. Today you may place the order however, tomorrow they can always form a cabal and manage to import an equal item, so if you see what the GoI has done it seems logical i.e., first set a policy barrier and then start doling out the orders so that tomorrow if some other dispensation comes in they cant stall the orders easily.

Suryagji
Just a dumb question?
Who holds the patency rights for the LCA: DRDO?? NAL?? HAL??
OR it is the GOI who holds the patency rights?
The other question is has the GOI signed a binding agreement with HAL(to run in perpetuity) that all aircrafts will be manufactured by HAL n HAL onlee??
Apart from usual politicking n the labour union nonsense what holds GOI to ransom.
As Mortji mentioned why cant GOI sign a contract with a private firm to set up LCA assembly line as most of the parts are sub contracted by HAL TO private players anyway!! I know it is not as easy as setting up corner stall selling chai-biskoot :D but what is holding the GOI back!!

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Postby bharathp » 11 Aug 2020 19:53

Rsatchi wrote:
suryag wrote:As Mortji mentioned why cant GOI sign a contract with a private firm to set up LCA assembly line as most of the parts are sub contracted by HAL TO private players anyway!! I know it is not as easy as setting up corner stall selling chai-biskoot :D but what is holding the GOI back!!


lets assume GoI gives the assembly line to a company A (pvt company). the opposition will term this:
1) crony capitalism
2) throw allegation of corruption
3) use HAL's unions to mobilize force to pressure govt for loss of employment
4) use HAL's union to mobilize other govt unions (rlys, power sector, trade unions)

as much as GoI needs pvt players, it also needs to keep the unions in good humor until then can be disbanded slowly without much chance for a anti-CAA type nuisance.

my 2 paisa.

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Postby MeshaVishwas » 11 Aug 2020 19:57

Was going through this GE press release from 2008, and this caught my eye:
Flight testing follows a rigorous series of evaluations, culminating in generation of more than 19,000 pounds (84 kN) uninstalled thrust and completion of 330 hours of Accelerated Mission testing - the equivalent of 1,000 hours of flight operation.

https://www.geaviation.com/press-releas ... rst-flight

We paid just over $4M back then for these engines[HAL paid less than $2M for each Ser-3 RD33, although for a larger contract size (#125?)].

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Postby ramana » 11 Aug 2020 20:56

manjgu wrote:announce a incentive for babus as a % of def production and see how well/quickly things move !!


They already have many perks to do their job.
They are not private sector managers to be incentivized based on profit the company makes.

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Postby ramana » 11 Aug 2020 21:01

tsarkar wrote:https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/08/indian-mod-unveils-first-no-import-weapons-list.html

The no import list is absolutely meaningless in practice. It can be easily bypassed. The Gripen E/F can be classified as medium fighter. "Stealth" Light Combat Aircraft or "low observable" Light Combat Aircraft can be an import category. And Apache can be categorized as heavy or medium combat helicopter.

In Indian Laws and Policies, there are more loopholes than substance of the law or policy.

Not going to happen. Realize its new day in defence procurement.
Combat planes path forward looks like

Su-30-Rafale-Tejas family

Future will be AMCA-Twin Engine etc...

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Postby Raveen » 11 Aug 2020 21:03

Ironically on page 83 of this discussion, and still no order for 83 Mk1As, and no clue when the Mk 2s will happen.

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Postby ramana » 11 Aug 2020 21:13

Raveen wrote:Ironically on page 83 of this discussion, and still no order for 83 Mk1As, and no clue when the Mk 2s will happen.


Have patience.
Dec 2020Mk1A
Design of Mk2 is going on.

No need for R/D.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Anujan » 12 Aug 2020 00:19

I think the shift in mindset and mentality is far more important. The mindset that we will think of projects as an iteration, we have to develop our own still and more importantly export it so that we can drive the next round of improvements.

India is the second largest importer of arms, and most of the worldwide arms industry is just using India as a place to subsidize the risk and costs for R&D.

Happened with MKI and even with Druv.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby MeshaVishwas » 12 Aug 2020 17:26

For all the momeen concerned on the timelines:
#Sukhoi Su-57, Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant. We plan to deliver 76 Su-57 aircraft the #RuMoD by 2028.

https://twitter.com/UAC_Russia_eng/stat ... 87680?s=20

So definitely very good. Order more and get them faster.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby veejey » 12 Aug 2020 19:37

I am looking for a scaled down model of Tejas to keep it on my desk. Is there any availability of such model? If yes, where can I get it?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby chetonzz » 12 Aug 2020 20:26

veejey wrote:I am looking for a scaled down model of Tejas to keep it on my desk. Is there any availability of such model? If yes, where can I get it?

Sadly No, no commercial product available

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 12 Aug 2020 21:17

veejey wrote:I am looking for a scaled down model of Tejas to keep it on my desk. Is there any availability of such model? If yes, where can I get it?

https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/lc ... 17897.html

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby tsarkar » 13 Aug 2020 14:56

suryag wrote:Tsarkar Sir kindly suggest an alternate course of action

This got me thinking since yesterday and I am composing my thoughts. Please do give me some time till the weekend.


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