Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby jamwal » 01 Mar 2019 16:09

What is this love for Rafale ? Root for LCA Tejas. I could undertsand this love for foreign stuff in comment section of TOIlet news article. It is disturbing to see people here just rooting for Rafale and ignoring LCA completely.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sumeet » 01 Mar 2019 16:15

jamwal wrote:What is this love for Rafale ? Root for LCA Tejas. I could undertsand this love for foreign stuff in comment section of TOIlet news article. It is disturbing to see people here just rooting for Rafale and ignoring LCA completely.



Because they will come faster than Tejas and are more potent. To be honest we need both. Tejas and Rafale in parallel to add to squadron numbers. First get to 42 and then 55.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby jamwal » 01 Mar 2019 16:18

Nope. If there is money and effort, LCA will come much faster and will be a lot more beneficial and cheaper in long term.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Mar 2019 16:18

partha wrote:Pakistani airspace closed for 3 more days. Fresh NOTAM issued.


stop it! just stop it! stop this ridiculous amount of shalwar shivering.

Namo is not thaaat bad. good old grandpa onlee. or is he? :twisted: you never know ...

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby pankajs » 01 Mar 2019 16:23

Mudi is a weak and insecure man ... his weakness i.e. his silence is being misinterpreted as aggression. Not fair.

He is such an insecure man that he is addressing political rally in Tamil Nadu.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rgosain » 01 Mar 2019 16:25

Sumeet wrote:
jamwal wrote:What is this love for Rafale ? Root for LCA Tejas. I could undertsand this love for foreign stuff in comment section of TOIlet news article. It is disturbing to see people here just rooting for Rafale and ignoring LCA completely.



Because they will come faster than Tejas and are more potent. To be honest we need both. Tejas and Rafale in parallel to add to squadron numbers. First get to 42 and then 55.

Absolutely correct - now you can see why the UPA failed to induct either in order to undermine the iaf, and why RaGa has been acting against the RaFale.
Also the deal with the French may allow for emergency access to a whole load of French kit as was the case 20 years ago during Kargil. This could include M2K.

The recovery of the AMRAAM has led to a lot of CT in the western press about the source of the missile.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Prasad » 01 Mar 2019 16:29

1A order is yet to be signed due to price haggling b/w HAL and IAF. That is a low hanging fruit to pluck right there.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 16:29

Karthik S wrote:
Karan M wrote:I dont think its Rafales, its stuff we can use right away.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1500_.jpg


That looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger's shopping cart after he broke into a gun store in Texas.


I can assure you, that this is literally how we end up getting stuff after every "incident". Pathankot, Uri and now Balakot. We will be shopping heavily & I hope Jetli is told to read the riot act to his ministry and told to s*crew the expenditure limits on the budget, forget the fiscal deficit BS & go for a heavy procurement. We have 3 months before this Govt goes to election, no point in waiting forever.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sumeet » 01 Mar 2019 16:32

Yep France and Israel would respond fastest as long as you have the $$$.

Rafale gets combination of AESA and Meteor BVRAAM which will give us a huge boost. Imagine backed with AWACS, surrounded by MKIs and on ground having S-400, the long range Meteor will be a game changer.

Also, Rafale + Avionics + Scalp will give IAF a whole new league of DPSA (deep penetration strike package) given that will be a new norm to whip TSP in future.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 16:33

Prasad wrote:1A order is yet to be signed due to price haggling b/w HAL and IAF. That is a low hanging fruit to pluck right there.


1A order & Akash follow on IAF order for 7 more squadrons.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby milindc » 01 Mar 2019 16:33

nam wrote:
milindc wrote:
Same pic on Feb 20th and Feb28th? I don't get it.


Where on GE? GE has not been updated.

The before picture is from GE. The after picture is from Zoom Earth, which updates daily.


On Zoom Earth only, thats the only portal where you can change the date and check out.
I tried two dates, Feb 20th and Feb 28th.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby pankajs » 01 Mar 2019 16:36

Shifting focus away from Mudi's "5 inch" chest for a moment, the UNSC resolution on Masood Azhar is currently under discussion. Maybe ... Mudi is waiting for some concrete results from that discussion BEFORE launching the next phase or at least deciding the next step.

He might have rebuffed *friends* of India on the Baki question instead asking them for results at UNSC. The Cheeni and the bakis would have been notified by these friends and hence the bakis are taking precautions.

Cheenis are evaluating their own position. The next step might damage CPEC bridge as well as a TSPA brigade HQ. That would put the Cheenis in a pickle and advertise the CPEC vulnerability to the whole world. OTOH, siding with India will most certainly cause a rift with the bakis though the bakis are hardly in a position to defy the Chinese. But such an action will certainly cause lots of heartburns at Rawalpindi. Dost dost na raha and all that.

All farts only ... for what ever it is worth.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby JTull » 01 Mar 2019 16:38

This conflict has shown limitations of heavy fighters like Su-30MKI in a short and sharp conflict. They're too expensive to keep on-station forever and are too visible (unstealthy) if taken across the border. More power to LCA and MWF.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 01 Mar 2019 16:38

Immediate shopping list should include Airbus Refuellers, Our desi chapatis over Airbus, additional Rafale. While Tejas will be coming for sure, we need a bomb truck. Rafale + MKI is as good a combo as anything out there. Except may be F-22 and F-15E.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 16:41

JTull wrote:This conflict has shown limitations of heavy fighters like Su-30MKI in a short and sharp conflict. They're too expensive to keep on-station forever and are too visible (unstealthy) if taken across the border. More power to LCA and MWF.


JTull, you are drawing incorrect inferences from sketchy data. The IAF has deliberately not released many details on Su-30 ops for obvious reasons. We'll know what all they did in due time.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 01 Mar 2019 16:41

Is something going on in Helmand Afghanistan? Looks like taliban struck army camp, US and afghan causalities reported. Number of causalities is yet to be ascertained.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 01 Mar 2019 16:42

JTull wrote:This conflict has shown limitations of heavy fighters like Su-30MKI in a short and sharp conflict. They're too expensive to keep on-station forever and are too visible (unstealthy) if taken across the border. More power to LCA and MWF.


Am sure the Israeli Air Force will disagree with you when you say heavy fighters (read F-15s) have limitations in such conflicts.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Prasad » 01 Mar 2019 16:42

Refuelers and awacs. That MRTT should've been here by now.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby sudhan » 01 Mar 2019 16:46

Karthik S wrote:Is something going on in Helmand Afghanistan? Looks like taliban struck army camp, US and afghan causalities reported. Number of causalities is yet to be ascertained.


Yes, latest report from Afg states the attack on the base was beaten back. No US casualities

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Mar 2019 16:49

Karthik S wrote:Is something going on in Helmand Afghanistan? Looks like taliban struck army camp, US and afghan causalities reported. Number of causalities is yet to be ascertained.


a combined afghan govt & us sf base has been hit by some 30 taliban from all sides, who used ladders to scale the walls at night.
some of them were suicide bombers too. casualties quite heavy but said to be contained and in process of being swatted now.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/taliban?lang=en

taking a random look at recent posts, the taliban have unleashed complete mayhem all over the place, have camps to prepare fresh batches of trainees, are heavily armed both from own purchases and war booty and most importantly, the afghan national army seems to lack the kind of small unit leadership to fight the talibs in what is small actions spread over vast areas. these formations would likely be ok in large divisions but in the kind of bush war you need good leaders and better training to make it. ambushes are rife .. US is relying more and more on C17 lifting loads than highways.......c17 loads rose 20x in 2018 over 2017

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 01 Mar 2019 16:52

Is it pak ploy to make US stay back in Afghanistan? Why would a weaker side (taliban) attack a base with US soldiers, when the later is leaving their country?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby M_Joshi » 01 Mar 2019 16:53

schinnas wrote:It will also mean death for Rafale scandal nonsense that was peddled by Congress. They will not dare to raise one sound on it again.


You're underestimating the Congress. Ye Rahul Gandhi ki nayi Congress hai, ye chori bhi karegi aur kotwaal ko bhi daantegi.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Mar 2019 16:54

Another ceasefire violation in Rajouri

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 17:04

Karthik S wrote:Immediate shopping list should include Airbus Refuellers, Our desi chapatis over Airbus, additional Rafale. While Tejas will be coming for sure, we need a bomb truck. Rafale + MKI is as good a combo as anything out there. Except may be F-22 and F-15E.


First get that third Netra into IAF hands!

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Mar 2019 17:09

imo we need another 6 Netras. the 3rd can remain with HAL as the development flying rig.

question is between our CAG/SC/CVC/dalals Embraer got blacklisted. the culprits are roaming around.

a war note/cabinet note needs to be passed and 6 airframes immediately purchased and sent to brazil. surely if we do it today it will still take 18 months to get first one into IAF hands.

sitting on our thumbs waiting for a E3 Sentry on a a330 airframe that was never used for awacs earlier is the typical indian way - aano do jab ayega . we are actually better off getting used 767 and having boeing do the mod because it has been done earlier JASDF.
when we will buy the airbus and in what timeline airbus will do it is a mirage
NOBODY wants a giant dish awacs on a330 airframe not even france :lol:

this kind of khayali pulao was possible if we had our own airbus or boeing, but not otherwise.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 17:14

Yep... it speaks volumes that we were talking of donating the 3rd one, because because we need bigger Phalcons not chotus.. and then war comes and everyone is like oh, super useful.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 17:16



Excellent detective work by Sayareakd!! Spread it far and wide.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Shaktimaan » 01 Mar 2019 17:19



With this video there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Paki F-16 was indeed shot down by the IAF.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 17:22

Please download a copy for your records, the entire thread if you can. SayareakD has done an incredible job (he is a DFI regular I think). Back him up please.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 01 Mar 2019 17:24

Aditya_V wrote:Another ceasefire violation in Rajouri


Thank you Pakistan, for being such utter, total, incontrovertible imbeciles. Here, we were, concernedabout the situation de-escalating before you guys got a much deserved a$$ whooping. And here you are, informing all of us, that you remain complete and total morons asking, no, begging for a thrashing. Thank you.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rgosain » 01 Mar 2019 17:26

Shaktimaan wrote:


With this video there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Paki F-16 was indeed shot down by the IAF.


Looks like a lens flare and the sound of the engine is consistent throughout - not clinching evidence

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby chola » 01 Mar 2019 17:31

Karan M wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Another ceasefire violation in Rajouri


Thank you Pakistan, for being such utter, total, incontrovertible imbeciles. Here, we were, concernedabout the situation de-escalating before you guys got a much deserved a$$ whooping. And here you are, informing all of us, that you remain complete and total morons asking, no, begging for a thrashing. Thank you.



Yes! Hate to sound like a warmonger but no likee just ending like this.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Mar 2019 17:33

It will not end now the Pakis dont feel they have been hit hard publicly but privately know the truth and will have to bury thier dead quietly, Ripe for them to try something again.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 01 Mar 2019 17:36

Shaktimaan wrote:


With this video there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Paki F-16 was indeed shot down by the IAF.


Looks like lens flare?!

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby chandrasekaran » 01 Mar 2019 17:36

rgosain wrote:
Shaktimaan wrote:
With this video there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Paki F-16 was indeed shot down by the IAF.


Looks like a lens flare and the sound of the engine is consistent throughout - not clinching evidence


Two fighters were flying past and that could explain the sound. Not sure about the lens flare, but in another video too we see this orange ball.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 01 Mar 2019 17:44

It has been reported that Wing Commander Varthaman has just crossed over to India. Please provide pictures as and when they come in. The Wing Co is a HERO!!

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby sudhan » 01 Mar 2019 17:45

Looks like medical check up is on going on our side..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 01 Mar 2019 17:46

Rakesh wrote:It has been reported that Wing Commander Varthaman has just crossed over to India. Please provide pictures as and when they come in. The Wing Co is a HERO!!

That is a very interesting sentiment.
The men and women in uniform never see them selves as that.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sumeet » 01 Mar 2019 17:50

Guys please watch it live here:

https://www.republicworld.com/livetv


You should watch it as it happens.


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