Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby yensoy » 02 Mar 2019 07:48

1. Regarding penetration depth - anything 10 km on their side of the LoC and beyond should be counted as total depth, because per the treaty the fixed wing no-fly zone extends to 10km on both sides. So we should have known that they were ingressing, and should have been prepared for it (as we were).
2. Regarding the penetration on our side of the LoC - they came in 3km, which means that even chasing them out at that depth meant that we were violating the treaty by crossing into the 10km DMZ; this is perfectly legal for defence of our airspace but at that point we had to be sure the enemy was intruding else it would have been a violation.
3. Should we have let them come in even further and engage them in our territory with no means of escape?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Raveen » 02 Mar 2019 07:52

manjgu wrote: this Kartarpur corridor is only to revivie khalistan movement. I hope this point is highlighted.



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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2019 08:00

Reading RD's posts, I am unable to provide any counter that would relieve my own dhoti-shivering. But that does not keep me from trying. Let's see:
So they do this Taliban attack on a USMC compound in Helmand. Hoping to cause major American casualties, dragging America into the picture with tons of equal-equal re: India, and also embarrassing the GOTUS' claims of conducting peace talks with the Taliban ahead of a withdrawal from Afghanistan.

I suggest that ppl think CAREFULLY and objectively about the ancient question of Qui Bono, bearing in mind all THREE recent events:
1) Pulwama attack on Indian CRPF convoy 2) Attack on Iranian Rev. Guards(?) convoy 3) Major attack on USMC in Helmand, (Helmand IIRC borders Iran).
Yeah, yeah, Pakis were involved in all 3, so the finger immediately points at ISI, PA, etc etc. But WHY??? Cretins, sure, but why attack these particular targets at this time?

But I can point to some who are **NOT** benefiting from these:
1) Robin Raphael/ Soggy Bottom paki-pasand gang.
2) China
3) KSA
Could there be someone who is so deeply interested in stopping the slide towards a Pak-dominated Afghanistan yet again, that they are pulling all the stops?

How are these attacks actually conducted? I imagine that they plan these out to the last detail, put assets in place (such as Dar the soosai bomber in Pulwama, and his equivalents in Iran) and then when "they" decide, send the "GO!" signal.

What if these are done by a rogue? Have u watched the movie TELEFON starring Charles Bronson?
The Helmand attack was not a lone soosai VBIED: it was a large attack which will leave dozens of Pakiban dead. That on the surface looks like Taliban continuing to advance in Afghanistan, but u have to wonder why they bother, the Americans are on their way out, leaving the Taliban able to just stroll in. So why go do a suicidal charge? Just for the satisfaction of killing Great Satan's Marines?

Or are they getting desperate that Helmand is about to fall to someone else?
Now look again at Pulwama and Iran attacks. WHY? We already decided who did **NOT** benefit. So who does?

IOW, Pulwama and Iran attacks seem designed to bring India and Iran into the Afghan power vacuum. They sure gave India a fabulous chance to do some long-awaited things. Iran is reacting in their own way...
But the Helmand attack seems to be to keep the Americans on the offensive.

Qui bono?
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 02 Mar 2019 08:02

1) Sumair..24 vs 8 is not troubling... u cant have so many planes in air all the time. Elelment of surprise can always be sprung..to collect 24 over a few seconds, create some diversion and a few make a shallow ingress over LC is nothing v spl. How many times a day can PAF put 24 planes together ? dont be childish. I am impressed that we had 8 in air and we chased them 2) today morning is calm in the skies above. just occasional noise. 3) just curious .. is there any way India can make it risky for shipping to use Karachi port short of blockade/war??

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Postby John » 02 Mar 2019 08:09

manjgu wrote:1) Sumair..24 vs 8 is not troubling... u cant have so many planes in air all the time. Elelment of surprise can always be sprung..to collect 24 over a few seconds, create some diversion and a few make a shallow ingress over LC is nothing v spl. How many times a day can PAF put 24 planes together ? dont be childish. I am impressed that we had 8 in air and we chased them 2) today morning is calm in the skies above. just occasional noise. 3) just curious .. is there any way India can make it risky for shipping to use Karachi port short of blockade/war??

Even during early days of GW, Iraq AF was able to outnumber the coalition during certain engagements. I remember there was one were lone F-15c engaged a few Mig-21 and took out 2.

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Postby Rakesh » 02 Mar 2019 08:16

Sumair wrote:I’m I the only one perturbed by the fact that everyone fully knew that an aerial attack was imminent from Pakistan, yet they were not only able to ingress deep into Indian Air Space but were also able to drop their payload a the target of their choosing.

Please do not be despondent. It is contagious. Understand the facts first, before posting.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2019 08:18

Continuing speculation:
It looks a safe bet that whoever planned any or all of the 3 attacks is no friend of Dimran's. OTOH, the present Pak COAS' position also seems very shaky: Imran out of insecurity may try to put the COAS on trial, and when that happens the COAS typically makes a coup to Save The Nation From Corrpution.

But I **CANNOT** see any Paki larger interest in either Pulwama or Iran convoy attacks. Both were guaranteed to bring jhapads on Pakistan.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby SaiK » 02 Mar 2019 08:20

For Leftist rag, The Wire, Wing Commander Abhinandan is the same as a petty criminal or terrorist from Kashmir

The Wire is known to propagate utter lies in the name of 'investigative journalism'. There have been numerous occasions in the past when the media outlet has spread malicious in order to peddle their preferred narrative.

https://www.opindia.com/2019/03/for-lef ... m-kashmir/

The Wire published an article on Thursday where the author, Jawed Naqvi, argued that India’s ‘new love’ for the Geneva Convention should extend to ‘all situations’.

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First of all, comparing Wing Commander Abhinandan’s situation with domestic terrorists and criminals is a logical fallacy of epic proportions. Pakistan was bound by international obligations to return him safe and sound because he is an Indian citizen and not a Pakistani. Of course, as a sovereign state, Pakistan could have chosen to ignore international conventions but then, there would have been grave consequences for them which they were ostensibly looking to avoid. The fact remains that Pakistan breached Indian airspace to carry out an act of aggression by attempting to bomb military installations in India. In the process of chasing Pakistani F16s away, Wing Commander Abhinandan was captured, and that makes him a prisoner of war (POW). The action of Pakistan itself satisfies the conditions to qualify for an act of war.

Secondly, international conventions cannot be used as a means to infringe upon the sovereignty of the Indian state. India reserves full right to deal with domestic terrorists and subversions as it deems fit according to its own laws.

The Wire argues, “The involvement with the pilot’s rights in Pakistan should help the ICRC and the international community in pushing for greater access to prisons in Kashmir and other Indian detention centres to observe the state of incarcerated militants and civilians.” It might disappoint the author but it won’t ‘help the ICRC’ in any manner. Should the International Committee of the Red Cross express such a desire, the Indian state will construe it as an effort to meddle in its internal affairs and thwart their designs, as it should.

More importantly, the ICRC has no business ‘pushing for greater access’ in Indian territory. It should instead try and gain access to China’s concentration camps first. Should it succeed, then it has a million other concerns it should be dealing with. Perhaps, after it has successfully negotiated the million and one concern, it can set its eyes on India.

That an Indian media outlet wants international organizations to infringe upon Indian sovereignty ought to concern us all. At a time when passions are running high and there are tensions prevailing with a neighbouring country that harbours terrorists, that The Wire prioritizes the violation of Indian sovereignty is indeed deplorable.

The author has peddled a false narrative about Major Gogoi in his article as well, He wrote, “In 2017, the pictures and video of a Kashmiri civilian, Farooq Ahmad Dar, tied as a human shield to the front of a vehicle driven by Major Nitin Leetul Gogoi, became viral on internet, stirring a major controversy. It was claimed that such action violated the Geneva Conventions.”

Yes, it was ‘claimed’ that it violated Geneva Conventions by people like him and others of the same ideological bent. In reality, it did not. As has been pointed out, Geneva Conventions do not apply to those suspected to be enemies of the State. And it can be stated safely, that the person Major Gogoi tied to his jeep wasn’t a paragon of virtue as leftist propagandists would have us believe.

The Wire is known to propagate utter lies in the name of ‘investigative journalism’. There have been numerous occasions in the past when the media outlet has spread malicious in order to peddle their preferred narrative. It appears even at a time when there are national security concerns, The Wire prioritizes prefers subjecting the Indian state to infringement of its sovereignty by international organizations rather than the welfare of its citizens.


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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 02 Mar 2019 08:23

another epic rant - guy all locked and loaded - wants to go to sialkot aur tamam hinduo ko marna hai

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 3916340224

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Postby MeshaVishwas » 02 Mar 2019 08:24

Okay now I'm fairly certain that the Pakis bombed empty fields just outside the Terror camp in an attempt to shell out large volumes of Kool Aid.And understanding the importance of optics post such humiliations, they took gullible morons(Paki patrakaars of international media) to their bomb site(with Biriyani and Donkey Palav served en route) in a frigging chopper and by the time the morons disembarked, they were already high and in love.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 02 Mar 2019 08:32

Tarek Fatah

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Pakistan minister threatens India with N-attack. Reminds #Hindus of #BinQasim & #MahmudGhaznawi's plunder of Bharat. Warns #India to be prepared for #GhazwaEHind the Islamic doctrine for invasion of Hindustan & the destruction all Hindu Temples & Hinduism.

https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1 ... 1569822720 video here

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Postby Rakesh » 02 Mar 2019 08:35

Singha wrote:Tarek Fatah

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Pakistan minister threatens India with N-attack. Reminds #Hindus of #BinQasim & #MahmudGhaznawi's plunder of Bharat. Warns #India to be prepared for #GhazwaEHind the Islamic doctrine for invasion of Hindustan & the destruction all Hindu Temples & Hinduism.

https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1 ... 1569822720 video here

And then the Minister woke up from his Ghazwa-E-Hind fantasy and realized his Prime Minister has gone for the next round of begging to the IMF.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 02 Mar 2019 08:35

John...precisely my point. enemy can sometimes gather a bigger force but thats all right. Majorly we will have the bigger force 8 out of 10 times. this is how war is..life is.

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Postby Anant » 02 Mar 2019 08:36

#BREAKING Reports say More than 30 Pakistani military personnel killed in heavy Indian shelling on Line of Control, Poonch, Batal, Tatta Pani, Teetri Not, Dara Sher Khan, Nakyal, Abbaspur areas. #DeclarePakTerroristState and eliminate it. http://pic.twitter.com/o4Y91BKHDA
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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2019 08:38

The other question we have been pondering at UBCN WAG is WHY India keeps demanding extradition of Masood Azhar. The terrorist is fat and old and probably dying of VD, etc etc. Imagine for a moment that Pakistan actually extradited him: delivered in handcuffs at the Wagah border. What will India do next? Put him in a cell. Imagine the level of care that will have to be given. Spare a thought for the nurses who have to care for him. He can't be allowed to just die in prison - that defeats the whole purposes and makes India the target for "murdering" the great Inspiration of the Jehad.

Now imagine the extremely unlikely event of a civilian Indian court convicting him of murder and sentencing him to death, (for **new** crimes: he was released by the GOI despite his earlier murders, so Double Jeopardy laws prevent those being dug up).
Will India actually hang the old bag?

THEN I realized the reason for the Indian demand. Imagine the plight of Pakistan if they ever actually extradite him: the Pak govt's goose is cooked. So there is **NO** way they will ever do it. Which makes it safe for India to keep demanding it.

So the greatest danger is that an "Anti-Terrorist" crook comes to power in Pakistan, however briefly. Such a dictator may in fact extradite Azhar.

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Postby Raveen » 02 Mar 2019 08:39

Singha wrote:another epic rant - guy all locked and loaded - wants to go to sialkot aur tamam hinduo ko marna hai

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 3916340224


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Postby khan » 02 Mar 2019 08:41

Lots a good stuff here, including explanations about the lack of total building demolishement (has to do with the bomb type and roof type): https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 02 Mar 2019 08:41

reports of relentless PAF rolling thunder Patrols over all major cities including Krachi.

its time for Pak to show india who is the big dog, the ghazi, the conqueror and unleash their armour gathered in sialkot to take Jammu and take the chicken neck.

what can coward hindus do except run?

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Postby Vivasvat » 02 Mar 2019 08:42

Raveen wrote:
Singha wrote:another epic rant - guy all locked and loaded - wants to go to sialkot aur tamam hinduo ko marna hai

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 3916340224


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uncle is practically crying for ghusswa-be-hind

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Postby asgkhan » 02 Mar 2019 08:42

That corolla driving urban Jihadi's rant is hilarious. Inshallah mashallah and Ayesha thinking hope he does not ask for rub-my-bu!!ah in the night.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 02 Mar 2019 08:43

UlanBatori wrote:The other question we .....

Conduct Trial in Absentia of all wanted terrorists and convict them.

If ever caught or handed over, eliminate them as soon as we get our hands on them.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 02 Mar 2019 08:43

More like gas wah! e hind.

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Postby Shaktimaan » 02 Mar 2019 08:44

UlanBatori wrote:Now imagine the extremely unlikely event of a civilian Indian court convicting him of murder and sentencing him to death, (for **new** crimes: he was released by the GOI despite his earlier murders, so Double Jeopardy laws prevent those being dug up).
Will India actually hang the old bag?

Saar, in India Double Jeopardy is only for convictions i.e. a person cannot be tried again for a crime for which he has already been convicted. There is no protection against being tried for the same crime twice, though. Masood Azar can be prosecuted again in India for all of his crimes.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 02 Mar 2019 08:46

This is NOT reassuring.

The SAR images are not as clear as satellite pictures and we couldn’t get a good satellite picture on Tuesday because of heavy clouds. That would have settled the debate,” the official added.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Mar 2019 08:47

He was serving a sentence, or just held as "under-trial"? The case where he got caught is that 4 UK-stanis were kidnapped in J&K, and murdered. So there was pressure from UK govt to get him convicted - or hand him over to UK. I think he was in Indian jails for at least 4 years, maybe much longer.

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Postby khan » 02 Mar 2019 08:54

sanjaykumar wrote:This is NOT reassuring.

The SAR images are not as clear as satellite pictures and we couldn’t get a good satellite picture on Tuesday because of heavy clouds. That would have settled the debate,” the official added.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

Chill man. If it is disinformation - they learnt a lot and and the next one won’t miss.

Now that a prescedent has been set - there will be many more :mrgreen:

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Postby abhijitm » 02 Mar 2019 08:54

Lot of propaganda by pakis on twitter on LOC firing. Don't fall for it unless corroborated by indian side. Firing must be on but their claim seem exaggerated.

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Postby khan » 02 Mar 2019 08:58

Singha wrote:reports of relentless PAF rolling thunder Patrols over all major cities including Krachi.

How long can they keep this up? Because as soon as they can’t - :mrgreen:

After 19 years of membership & lurking in this most August of forums, it feels really good to have a Prime Minister of India with Cajones bigger than Indira Gandhi.

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Postby Thakur_B » 02 Mar 2019 08:59

abhijitm wrote:Lot of propaganda by pakis on twitter on LOC firing. Don't fall for it unless corroborated by indian side. Firing must be on but their claim seem exaggerated.


Au contraire, I am revelling in it. These armchair OSINT wallahs are begging indian Teetar users to let out some info but failing. Wait a few hours till Paki media picks it up and there wouldn't be enough detergent in pakistan to clean brown shalwars.

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Postby Raveen » 02 Mar 2019 09:00

khan wrote:
Singha wrote:reports of relentless PAF rolling thunder Patrols over all major cities including Krachi.

How long can they keep this up? Because as soon as they can’t - :mrgreen:

After 19 years of membership & lurking in this most August of forums, it feels really good to have a Prime Minister of India with Cajones bigger than Indira Gandhi.


Apparently 4 more days and then out of gas :lol: :wink:
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Postby Karthik S » 02 Mar 2019 09:00

With all the air sorties of paf, how long before the jets commit suicide ? Not sure how well maintained they are given paki brain and economy.

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Postby Thakur_B » 02 Mar 2019 09:08

Anybody keeping an eye on tanker movement to Bakistan from Gelf?


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Postby Vivasvat » 02 Mar 2019 09:14

Total 9 Planes over naPak airspace as compared to hundreds over India.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 02 Mar 2019 09:16

https://twitter.com/Singh__Bir


Probably an exercise but this is what awaits them

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Postby khan » 02 Mar 2019 09:19

Raveen wrote:
khan wrote:How long can they keep this up? Because as soon as they can’t - :mrgreen:

After 19 years of membership & lurking in this most August of forums, it feels really good to have a Prime Minister of India with Cajones bigger than Indira Gandhi.


Apparently 4 more days and then out of gas :lol: :wink:

The way this is progressing, I am convinced that this has been war-gamed over and over and over and over by bored and frusted Indian military planners for decades, just waiting for political support.

We just need to be good jingos and sit back and enjoy the show :mrgreen:

And to all the lungi shiveres our there who were scared of “de-escalation” (which is the wrong term since India never escalated anything - India is the victim here - never forget that) - THERE WIL BE NO “DE-ESCALATION” WITHOUT “IRREVERSIBLE” ACTIONS AGAINST TERRORISM (regardless of the Wing Commander situation).

I hope that is very clear now.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby saip » 02 Mar 2019 09:19

Shaktimaan wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Now imagine the extremely unlikely event of a civilian Indian court convicting him of murder and sentencing him to death, (for **new** crimes: he was released by the GOI despite his earlier murders, so Double Jeopardy laws prevent those being dug up).
Will India actually hang the old bag?

Saar, in India Double Jeopardy is only for convictions i.e. a person cannot be tried again for a crime for which he has already been convicted. There is no protection against being tried for the same crime twice, though. Masood Azar can be prosecuted again in India for all of his crimes.

Not true. What you said is true only in Indian Constitution. But CrPC uses different terminology. Until it is amended the double jeopardy applies both to autrefois convict and autrefois acquit.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby souravB » 02 Mar 2019 09:26

Why are we targeting inside PoJK onlee. I'd say bring one prototype of ATAGS and target Manshera from Baramulla sector. Drop a few near Abottabad and let shalwars change colors automatically.


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