Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Gus » 04 Mar 2019 15:07

madhu wrote:This is something new for india i feel. Never seen somuch intense fight between people ripping them between politics. Some times feel is it worth?


re-electing namo vs rahul/kichdi?

absolutely worth losing some friends and family.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ranneel » 04 Mar 2019 15:45

Flightradar update: Pakistan has extended general closure of airspace by additional 24 hours.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ranneel » 04 Mar 2019 15:53

ranneel wrote:Flightradar update: Pakistan has extended general closure of airspace by additional 24 hours.

Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta,Isloo,Lawhore,Faisy remain operational subject to routing restrictions.Transit of Pakistani airspace is available on SW-NE G325 air route (gulf to China route)

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby abhijitm » 04 Mar 2019 16:04

madhu wrote:
Gus wrote:
a funny thing is happening in TN social media..

few fringes were always anti-modi and used to get some likes/RTs based on "tamil exceptionalism" sentiment etc.

then they overplayed their hand by posting pro imran, pro pak, "asking questions" etc and now getting roundly thrashed.

...


Well sir.. I have seen many whatsapp groups getting evaporated due to pro rahul and pro modi groups. Especially after the airstrike this has increased.
The same has been speen in Ireland, where my cousin had a bad argument on same issue.
This is something new for india i feel. Never seen somuch intense fight between people ripping them between politics. Some times feel is it worth?

lost mine too. Can't put friendship over national interests, especially anti armed forces view is absolutely no go. that's the red line.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 16:04

Hmm, Paki Gulf route is very important to Pakistani Expatiates wanting to leave Pakistan for Gulf, Chinese expatriates working on CPEC leave via the North East route- Nice.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sumeet » 04 Mar 2019 16:04

Singha wrote:rafale has a highly independent penetration aid/self defence EW suite that permits it to slide in and out of contested airspace without need for much offboard support.
when the "democracy" war started in libya, the french AF were offered the support of a growler squadron based in italy/spain but declined saying they were ok. while libya is notwhere near paf level, it also shows the confidence level in spectra.

bahawalpur is around 200km from the IB.

its survivability in ew dense and contested airspace in the DPSA role is surely significantly better than the Mirage2000-5 which is not a slouch.



Singha, Rafale is great for DPSA role. Plus don't forget Scalp is advertised to be > 250 kms range missile. Rafale can launch it from 50-70 kms inside TSP and then return.

TSP AWACS will be shit scared of Meteor and juicy targets for it.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 16:07

Bahwalpur is ~ 110KM from IB. Pakistan airbases are spread pretty thin, only PAF rafiqui is closeby.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sumeet » 04 Mar 2019 16:10

Then it makes it all the more easily targeted by Scalp. Plus imagine if S-400's are around the border there. TSP won't be able to fly CAP missions within 0-30/40 kms of their border. :)

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 04 Mar 2019 16:17

Some noise of action by IAF on Pakland...

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 04 Mar 2019 16:19

nam wrote:Some noise of action by IAF on Pakland...


link please

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Iyersan » 04 Mar 2019 16:25

Lookss like Arty
Har har Mahadev

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ashthor » 04 Mar 2019 16:26

Drop bombs on Fort Abbas...by that jeffery guy on twitter

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby rhytha » 04 Mar 2019 16:29

ashthor wrote:Drop bombs on Fort Abbas...by that jeffery guy on twitter


That handle is a ISI plant, do not post here anything from there.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 04 Mar 2019 16:32

https://twitter.com/Kamran0175/status/1 ... 1411273728

True to fake or dropped by PAF/IAF, should keep the Paks on the edge for couple of more days.

Bigger than a 155MM shell. So not artillery.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ashthor » 04 Mar 2019 16:35

twitter.com/rajfortyseven/status/1102447150036738049

The camp near Muzaffarabad which was also hit

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 04 Mar 2019 16:37

chetak wrote: and this is what the ameriki snake oil salesmen are pushing to sell to India as a miracle cure?? More MiG 21s may suit us better, no??


<OT>
Some 880 odd incidents recorded on the F-16 forum - link

Quite a fair bit of them during landings.

The much maligned MiG 21 with it's much higher landing speeds and non FBW controls would be even more challenging.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 04 Mar 2019 17:02

Perhaps a very capable platform in sanitised (from Aerial and SAM threats). But even then what about fast ingress and egress - giving lesser reaction/escape time to the targets?

Why IAF needs planes like this for anti-terror ops - Group Captain Murli Menon (retd).

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Given the current India-Pakistan scenario, a large air strike into Pakistan is going to get increasingly difficult. Maybe a one off attack, but repeat strikes are highly unlikely given the dense air defence environment -- AWACS, radar cover etc.

Employment of dedicated lightweight special forces aircraft may provide the answer for repeat anti-terror air strikes with surprise elements intact, the cost benefit assured and attrition minimal.

In the recent past, America's Central Intelligence Agency employed crop duster aircraft like the Thrush 510 G and light helicopters like Little Bird operated by the defence contractor Blackwater in Mali, Iraq and Columbia.

The crop duster aircraft was modified with heavy armour plating and fitted with weaponry like cannons and air to ground rockets to neutralise terrorists effectively. The Austrians are known to have facilitated this.

We can easily undertake these modifications at our IAF Base Repair Depots or even at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in short time frames to give us a special forces AirPower capability which is vital in the present context.


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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 17:05

Such platforms will not escape anti aircraft artillery, Shoulder fire Manpads etc

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 04 Mar 2019 17:10

:rotfl:

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Postby himanshugoswami » 04 Mar 2019 17:10

Singha wrote:himanshu sir, dropping mysterious 1 liners will not help. if you say it please explain, else not saying it is also fine.

Does my earlier post make sense now

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ranneel » 04 Mar 2019 17:22

Look at this propaganda regarding Pakistani airspace being fully reopened and some one like AFP believing it!
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... content=23

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 04 Mar 2019 17:22

Aditya_V wrote:Such platforms will not escape anti aircraft artillery, Shoulder fire Manpads etc


My thoughts too... hence wondered why the group captain would suggest it. Lost in translation most likely :?:

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 04 Mar 2019 17:32

arey yaar, was getting excited for a moment. Looks like another false alarm from the pakis.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 04 Mar 2019 17:39

all quiet on the western front..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby chetak » 04 Mar 2019 17:53

Airforce Chief Marshal Dhanoa makes a stunning revelation, says ‘cannot comment on ongoing operations’


MARCH 4, 2019

Addressing the press in Coimbatore, Dhanoa affirmed that the Airforce pilots had hit the intended target in Balakot. When questioned about the number of terrorists killed, Dhanoa replied back, “IAF is not in a postilion to clarify the number of casualties. The government will clarify that. We don’t count human casualties, we count what targets we have hit or not.”

Regarding the question on the state of operations undergoing at the LoC, Air Chief Dhanoa said, “It is an ongoing operation I will not comment on it.” He was asked about why MiG21 Bisons were used to which he said that the Mig21 is a capable aircraft as it has been upgraded. He also said that it was better radar, air to air missiles and better weapons system. He then said that he cannot comment on ‘ongoing operations’.

This is a big statement coming from the Air Chief Marshal in the aftermath of the Pakistani Airforce’s unscrupulous attempt to attack Indian military bases was foiled by the vigilant Indian fighter jets. Since then Pakistan has been feverishly imploring India to de-escalate the situation transpired along the border. Air Chief Marshal’s statements suggest Indian Airforce is in the mood to relent the pressure mounted on Pakistan.

Many opposition politicians in India had questioned for proof or evidence that suggest the targets were hit in Balakot. Responding to this Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa said, “ If we plan to hit the target, we hit the target. If we had dropped bombs in a jungle, he (Imran Khan) would not have responded.”

In the wee hours of February 26, 2019, 12 Mirage 2000 aircraft of the Indian airforce flew deep inside Pakistani territory and bombed a major Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist camp to dust in Balakot. It was an operation immaculately planned and executed with pinpoint precision by the Indian Airforce.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 18:16

Anyone knows what type of aircraft are SMK 168 and SMK 6062 shown on flight radar 24?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ranneel » 04 Mar 2019 18:17

Ceasefire violation by Pak in Poonch sector at 17:30. Mortars and firing of small arms involved.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 04 Mar 2019 18:20

Aditya_V wrote:Anyone knows what type of aircraft are SMK 168 and SMK 6062 shown on flight radar 24?


Kazakhstan

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nits » 04 Mar 2019 18:21

nam wrote:https://twitter.com/Kamran0175/status/1102521391411273728

True to fake or dropped by PAF/IAF, should keep the Paks on the edge for couple of more days.

Bigger than a 155MM shell. So not artillery.


Nothing happening Sir - as per latest PAF confirmed that no cross border violation took place. PAF jets dropped extra fuel tanks while monitoring the area

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 18:21

Very suspicious what these Kzak aircraft are being used for?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Shivaji » 04 Mar 2019 19:03

Information coming out slowly:

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1102557673076260866

NTRO surveillance of JeM Balakot camp in days leading up to air strike by IAF confirmed around 300 active mobile connections in facility

Full story at below link:

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 304183910/

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Ardeshir » 04 Mar 2019 19:12

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1102558518433980416
99n Reports coming in of another round of air to air engagements in Rajasthan ... confirmation awaited. Details sketchy


Abhijit Iyer reporting another A2A engagement.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Ardeshir » 04 Mar 2019 19:16

Manu Pubby reports the same now: https://twitter.com/manupubby/status/11 ... 6418867200
Sources: Air intrusion by unidentified object detected on the Rajasthan border, was responded to. Air to Air missile used.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 04 Mar 2019 19:22

ANIVerified account@ANI
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Rajasthan: At 11:30 am today a Sukhoi 30MKI shot down a Pakistani drone at the Bikaner Nal sector area of the border. Drone was detected by Indian Air Defence radars

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 19:23

Ardeshir wrote:https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1102558518433980416
99n Reports coming in of another round of air to air engagements in Rajasthan ... confirmation awaited. Details sketchy


Abhijit Iyer reporting another A2A engagement.


Seems one more CH4/ Wing Long has met shahdutt today this time at Rajastan, shot down by Su-30's. Hope we have stacked with SAM's and AAM's, hope Astra starts also gettign a score rate now.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 04 Mar 2019 19:25

nits wrote:PAF jets dropped extra fuel tanks while monitoring the area


Dropped them?? Did they get spooked by the IAF (or their own aircraft :D) and wanted to high tail it out of that area

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby arshyam » 04 Mar 2019 19:27

Time to declare 100km from the IB/LoC into Pakistan/PoJK a no-fly zone? They have shut down the airspace anyway, we are only happy to help keep it that way.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Mar 2019 19:28

Considering that an all import AF Pakis are, expending drop tanks means capability decline. In 1971 war our SU-7's stopped the successful attacks on SHorkot road since the ran out of drop tanks after 3 attacks durign the first 2 days.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ranneel » 04 Mar 2019 19:31

vijayk wrote:https://twitter.com/republic/status/1102534163884883970

Air space shut till mar 5

We knew this back at 15:00 hrs from flightradar24 tweet.


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