Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 04 Mar 2019 21:38

nam wrote:One thing in the whole adventure is we haven't specified what are expecting from Pakistan, other than general and the usual "Pak needs to stop terror".

While Pak is going all crazy, we have had 2-3 press conference. Hardly any words. So it is difficult to say what is GoI up to.

Absolutely no need for any demand from now on. We will just keep mum. If we think there is danger from pak we will attack. We will repeat this 1000000000000 time for over 1000000000000 years. We are ready. Only question for pak is, are you?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 Mar 2019 21:44

and so at last the narrative seems to be changing... looking across multiple news outlets... and paraphrasing

1. US wants to know if F16's used? (UK Press for the most part)
2. it was the JF17 not the F16's!! (Pakistan press)
3. OIC a success for India (Arab Press)
4. please buy American hardware (US press)
5. tension tension! (Chinese press)
6. ofcourse the F16 got its ass kicked (Russian Press)

and finally...

7. 428 opinions on the above from 240 Indian press outlets

so it would seem that the supertanker is slowly turning to favour us

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Mar 2019 21:46

Please be responsible. This is juvenile CT.
Mods delete these posts

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Neela thx for the headsup, but couldnt find the specific post. Can you please check and provide the link. Thanks
KM

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 04 Mar 2019 21:50

nam wrote:By the way, for all the people who have spends hours and wrote tons of stuff on the question of "Can India do Cold Start"?

I hope they got the answer on 27th Feb.

A single bombing attack by airforce is not even close to Cold Start

disha · Post by **disha** » 04 Mar 2019 21:50

nam wrote:One thing in the whole adventure is we haven't specified what are expecting from Pakistan, other than general and the usual "Pak needs to stop terror".

Are not this words clear for Bakistanis -> "Bakistan needs to stop terror"?

What we do next is up to us.

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 04 Mar 2019 21:52

There is a BURQ320 which switched on the transponder for a brief time...any idea what this is ? Burq means lightening in Urdu right ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/BURQ302/1fb11f86

nam · Post by **nam** » 04 Mar 2019 21:53

My view was that once we do air strike, we should hold fort and grind down Pakistan in a attrition war without invading.

I don't know if we are going to do it. However even constant threats from our end should help.

"Cannot comment on on-going operation" by IAF Chief & "Ghar me ghusa ke marege" by PM. Should help to keep Pak on the edge.

It is costing them without any war.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Mar 2019 21:54

^^ Terrorist with hands up:

That is Abdul bin Hyder, son of Hamid ul Balakoti and Rashid ul Lahori and Irfan Faisalabadi (besides Mullah Hyder), who was arrested for being found in possession of 2 Nos. Pakistan Air Fauj wallets, 1 Nos. set of PAF undies in soiled condition, wearing 1 Nos. PAF overalls and having map in knee pocket showing route from LOC to Sargodha marked in big green marker. Wallets contained photos of Princess Ayesha Sultana and Princess Razia Khyberia, both pure white goats.

nam · Post by **nam** » 04 Mar 2019 21:55

jamwal wrote:
nam wrote:By the way, for all the people who have spends hours and wrote tons of stuff on the question of "Can India do Cold Start"?

I hope they got the answer on 27th Feb.
A single bombing attack by airforce is not even close to Cold Start

Cold Start is not just about attacking, it is preparation and being ready for attack.

GoI will not have given the go-ahead for air strike, if we were not ready for a full war. How Pak reacts is not up to us.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2019 21:56

ranneel wrote:There is a BURQ320 which switched on the transponder for a brief time...any idea what this is ? Burq means lightening in Urdu right ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/BURQ302/1fb11f86

if its low and slow could be the Nescom Burraq armed small drone

they also have GIDS shahpar and GIDS uqab of similar size and a small one called SATUMA Jasoos.

so hierarchy in capability is

Wing loong2 (48 signed for, some may be received) > CH4 > Burraq > GIDS > Jasoos.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 04 Mar 2019 22:10

https://www.news18.com/shows/epicentre.html

Discussion on Balakot and BJP vs Congress as well. At 8:02, excellent stuff from Pathikrit Payne( strategic analyst, first time hearing). Does a great job in clearing any doubts about mission, refers to Spike missile, its effect, takes a good swipe at NY Times, mentions Kargil, even the Mangalyaan. What more could one ask?

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 04 Mar 2019 22:17

Singha wrote:
ranneel wrote:There is a BURQ320 which switched on the transponder for a brief time...any idea what this is ? Burq means lightening in Urdu right ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/BURQ302/1fb11f86
if its low and slow could be the Nescom Burraq armed small drone

they also have GIDS shahpar and GIDS uqab of similar size and a small one called SATUMA Jasoos.

so hierarchy in capability is

Wing loong2 (48 signed for, some may be received) > CH4 > Burraq > GIDS > Jasoos.

Alt was 36,000 ft and ground speed was 428 kts. Switched on transponder briefly between bhakkar and Jhang, switched off west of sargodha.Heading towards Rawalpindi.

tapan · Post by **tapan** » 04 Mar 2019 22:17

jamwal wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... bEA3KmNnXM

How PAF actually responded to the Indian Air Strike

Olo hoo uber.

Killed me dude.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2019 22:19

then it was pukka plane. no drone in the regions flies that fast. thats 800kmph...faster than cruising speed of A321

air intake is bigger than a motorcycle length.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 04 Mar 2019 22:20

Dilbu wrote:It is exactly this kind of operational details we shouldn't be giving out to satisfy the khujli of those morons asking for proof.

Dont worry Dilbu ji. Intelligence guys use a lot of diversion stories to deflect attention from the real thing. Lot of such accounts are planted and everyone including the enemy remains confused.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 04 Mar 2019 22:25

Leopard1 patrolling pindi

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2019 22:29

no uav in paki custody seems to match this kind of round air intake.

nam · Post by **nam** » 04 Mar 2019 22:34

I am inclined to believe it is a PGM kit. But no explosion marks. Might be air burst.

Even if drop tanks, there must be impact marks around the place.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2019 22:36

MW toba is here

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Toba+ ... 73.3038086

ashthor · Post by **ashthor** » 04 Mar 2019 22:36

Varoon Shekhar wrote:https://www.news18.com/shows/epicentre.html

Discussion on Balakot and BJP vs Congress as well. At 8:02, excellent stuff from Pathikrit Payne( strategic analyst, first time hearing). Does a great job in clearing any doubts about mission, refers to Spike missile, its effect, takes a good swipe at NY Times, mentions Kargil, even the Mangalyaan. What more could one ask?

Spoke well....excellent

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 04 Mar 2019 22:40

That is a jet engine intake. Wing Loong is a prop. There aren't so many jet engined drones out there, mostly American ones.

ashthor · Post by **ashthor** » 04 Mar 2019 22:44

https://www.flightradar24.com/NAG66OS/1fb11f65

Royal Air Force (RAF) Airbus KC2 Voyager (A330-243MRTT) entering just east of Gwadar

nam · Post by **nam** » 04 Mar 2019 22:46

With Pak airspace closed down, how are Khan aircraft carrier jets reaching Afghanistan?

Or for that matter any USAF air supplies?

Watching the RAF tanker, let's see where it goes.

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 04 Mar 2019 22:47

There is a NAG66OS entering Paki airspace on the SW-NE route from Dubai...it says Royal Air Force.
https://www.flightradar24.com/NAG66OS/1fb11f65
Type : Aircraft type (A332) Airbus KC2 Voyager (A330-243MRTT) Registeration : ZZ338. What the hell is this doing here ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2019 22:48

I guess they continue to operate with transponders off. the RAF plane may also be going to bagram or kandahar.

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 04 Mar 2019 22:50

ranneel wrote:There is a NAG66OS entering Paki airspace on the SW-NE route from Dubai...it says Royal Air Force.
https://www.flightradar24.com/NAG66OS/1fb11f65
Type : Aircraft type (A332) Airbus KC2 Voyager (A330-243MRTT) Registeration : ZZ338. What the hell is this doing here ?

It has switched off its transponder!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 04 Mar 2019 22:53

I am sure this is already posted but those who have good twitter following, please tweet this story with link:

"How did NYTImes, and all other famous rags forgot to mention this detailed account on the death of a Pak Wing Commander in the dogfight reported here by a renowned Indian journalist.

Pilot of downed Pakistan Air Force F-16 Shahaz-ud-Din mistaken for Indian airman, lynched by Nowshera mob

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 04 Mar 2019 22:54

Hmm why is British mid-air refueling tanker going to Pakistan!!

nam · Post by **nam** » 04 Mar 2019 22:54

Closing airspace must be one tactics by Pak to pressurize Khan. Showing them their air corridor could be closed.

Karachi to Sialkot is following a rectangular flight path

The eastern airspace must be exclusive to PAF.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 Mar 2019 22:55

Patni wrote:Hmm why is British mid-air refueling tanker going to Pakistan!!

dropping off 007...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2019 23:00

khan baba does not seem to have any fighters onsite in bagram and kandahar
just large nos of c130, osprey,sinook,apaches.

khan · Post by **khan** » 04 Mar 2019 23:02

ranneel wrote:
ranneel wrote:There is a NAG66OS entering Paki airspace on the SW-NE route from Dubai...it says Royal Air Force.
https://www.flightradar24.com/NAG66OS/1fb11f65
Type : Aircraft type (A332) Airbus KC2 Voyager (A330-243MRTT) Registeration : ZZ338. What the hell is this doing here ?
It has switched off its transponder!

Maybe going to Afghanistan. I am not sure if Iran will allow RAF planes above their air-space.

John · Post by **John** » 04 Mar 2019 23:02

Singha wrote:then it was pukka plane. no drone in the regions flies that fast. thats 800kmph...faster than cruising speed of A321

air intake is bigger than a motorcycle length.

Source for speed? The drone could be Wing Loong, I believe PAF is trying to strike supply depot with a drone ( similar strat done in Syria and Ukraine). They decided to send a larger one likely China won’t be too happy parts could be used reconstruct and analyze it.

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 04 Mar 2019 23:02

There is a Air China https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA945/1fb1509a out of pindi moving to out of all places ..karachi.

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 04 Mar 2019 23:06

Singha wrote:then it was pukka plane. no drone in the regions flies that fast. thats 800kmph...faster than cruising speed of A321

air intake is bigger than a motorcycle length.

IAF jet shoots down Pakistani military drone in Bikaner sect ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

John · Post by **John** » 04 Mar 2019 23:06

Video of wing loong ii. These drones aren’t cheap by any means fact that they got shot down so easily not a good sign for paf.

https://youtu.be/bTr_zPbvELU

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Mar 2019 23:08

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk

Fisk strongly condemned the September 11 attacks, describing them as a "hideous crime against humanity". He also denounced the Bush administration's response to the attacks, arguing that "a score of nations" were being identified and positioned as "haters of democracy" or "kernels of evil", and urged a more honest debate on U.S. policy in the Middle East. He argued that such a debate had hitherto been avoided "because, of course, to look too closely at the Middle East would raise disturbing questions about the region, about our Western policies in those tragic lands, and about America's relationship with Israel".[22]

In 2007, Fisk expressed personal doubts about the official historical record of the attacks. In an article for The Independent, he claimed that, while the Bush administration was incapable of successfully carrying out such attacks due to its organisational incompetence, he is "increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11" and added that he does not condone the "crazed 'research' of David Icke, but is "talking about scientific issues".[23] Fisk had earlier addressed similar concerns in a speech at Sydney University in 2006.[24] During the speech, Fisk said: "Partly I think because of the culture of secrecy of the White House, never have we had a White House so secret as this one. Partly because of this culture, I think suspicions are growing in the United States, not just among Berkeley guys with flowers in their hair. (...) But there are a lot of things we don't know, a lot of things we're not going to be told. (...) Perhaps the [fourth] plane was hit by a missile, we still don't know".[25]

Bill Durodie notes that "recently published compilation of Osama bin Laden’s writings reveals how frequently he is inclined to cite Western writers, Western diplomats and Western thinkers. At one point he even advises the White House to read Robert Fisk, rather than, as one might have supposed, the Koran."[26]

Fisk has described himself as a pacifist and has never voted.[27] He has said that journalism must "challenge authority, all authority, especially so when governments and politicians take us to war." He has quoted with approval Israeli journalist Amira Hass: "There is a misconception that journalists can be objective ... What journalism is really about is to monitor power and the centres of power."[28] He spoke on "Lies, Misreporting, and Catastrophe in the Middle East" at the First Congregational Church of Berkeley on 22 September 2010, and stated, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be."[29] He has written at length on how much contemporary conflicts have their origins, in his view, in lines drawn on maps: "After the allied victory of 1918, at the end of my father's war, the victors divided up the lands of their former enemies. In the space of just seventeen months, they created the borders of Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia and most of the Middle East. And I have spent my entire career—in Belfast and Sarajevo, in Beirut and Baghdad—watching the people within those borders burn."[30]

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 Mar 2019 23:09

if the drone was armed, then that's an act of war...

John · Post by **John** » 04 Mar 2019 23:11

Lalmohan wrote:if the drone was armed, then that's an act of war...

I believe it’s attempt to hit supply depot stole a page from Yemen, Ukraine and Syrian conflicts.

The drones will drop munition and leave, making it hard to determine with its accident, sabatoge or drone strike.

khan · Post by **khan** » 04 Mar 2019 23:12

Lalmohan wrote:if the drone was armed, then that's an act of war...

Let’s hope it was armed

. If it was armed, the stupidity of the Bakis is incredible.

This would be the second act of war, the first was the failed attack after Balakot.

This type of aggression cannot be ignored, it just invites more attempts until they get lucky.

At this point, they have shown themselves unfit to have an air force and they need to be liberated of the burden of having an air force.