Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby mmasand » 18 Mar 2019 18:22

If anyone is interested in Balakot as a training camp for teenage Abdul's, here's an investigative piece on the conviction of a kid who was brainwashed to enroll at Balakot.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/19/infamous-post-911-california-sleeper-cell-case-continues-to-unravel/

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby RKumar » 18 Mar 2019 18:40

Shivaji wrote:16-March --> Pakis attacked our BOP in Poonch sector with ATGM. Per Bababanaras, ATGM missed target and no damage.

17-March --> we fired ATGM on their BOP in Sundebani sector. We might have fried the cockroaches.

18-March --> Pakis retaliated today with ATGM in Keri-Battal area of Sundebani sector. News of few casualties.
https://twitter.com/firstpost/status/11 ... 2205380608


It is right time to move bahubali and bofors to the border as these are inducted, this one to one match must stop. It is not a badminton match. The pain should be given with disproportionate responses until they vacate their posts all along the border.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Mar 2019 18:42

+72 +108
we have enough bofors ...

ping pong tukkebaazi is gotta stop. OFB needs to run 4 shifts to churn out Dhanush and ATAGS needs to be funded like national n-sub project.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Shivaji » 18 Mar 2019 19:29

I agree that it should not be a badminton match, but that is how it seems to be playing out at the moment. Only difference is that response from our side is immediate and disproportionate although local.

Latest from Bababanaras (no reason not to believe this handle as most of his info is accurate and mostly corroborated by other sources after a while):

https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 8986187776

Good job @adgpi

4 Pakistan Army BOP destroyed by Indian Army near Pallanwala sector today afternoon between 4:30 to 5:30.
#Nag missiles and rocket launchers used along with newly placed Big Guns. Heavy loss expected to enemy.

More details to follow.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby RKumar » 18 Mar 2019 19:54

Can someone tell baba ji to correct the hash tag #Nag to #NagMissile? Thanks!!

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Iyersan » 18 Mar 2019 20:04

Makwal sector has some serious happenings... info shut down. It seems paki helos involved in firing

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 18 Mar 2019 20:13

Attack choppers firing at our position?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Iyersan » 18 Mar 2019 20:16

nam wrote:Attack choppers firing at our position?

Yes that’s correct

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 18 Mar 2019 20:22

Only sputnik has reported it so far...

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Iyersan » 18 Mar 2019 20:24

nam wrote:Only sputnik has reported it so far...

Ashutosh Bhatia also reported. There is an information blackout on this issue. Makwal is IB

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 20:37

Is Nag even in series production? This guy seems to be making stuff up. Please inform where his info is corroborated.

Shivaji wrote:I agree that it should not be a badminton match, but that is how it seems to be playing out at the moment. Only difference is that response from our side is immediate and disproportionate although local.

Latest from Bababanaras (no reason not to believe this handle as most of his info is accurate and mostly corroborated by other sources after a while):

https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 8986187776

Good job @adgpi

4 Pakistan Army BOP destroyed by Indian Army near Pallanwala sector today afternoon between 4:30 to 5:30.
#Nag missiles and rocket launchers used along with newly placed Big Guns. Heavy loss expected to enemy.

More details to follow.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby VikasM » 18 Mar 2019 20:39

https://sputniknews.com/amp/asia/201903 ... tan-firing

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"One Indian soldier was killed and three more seriously injured in an exchange of fire early in the morning between Indian and Pakistani forces, an Indian military official told Sputnik. The incident took place in the Makwal sector of Jammu and was initiated by the Pakistani Army, which used combat choppers as support, the official said."

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Iyersan » 18 Mar 2019 20:42

Why has Pakistan again closed its airspace for 24 hrs. If de escalation has happened, why are they not opening it up. Are we missing something

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby RKumar » 18 Mar 2019 20:45

DAC approves procurement of Nag missile system, 13 guns

Many errors, but it could be true from Apr 27, 2018, 09.56 PM IST



"In a boost to indigenisation, the DAC approved the procurement of DRDO’s designed and developed NAG Missile System (NAMIS) at the cost of Rs 524 crore," the ministry said.

The NAMIS includes a third generation Anti-Tank Guided Missile, the NAG, along with the Missile Carrier Vehicle (NAMICA). The NAG missile is a third generation anti-tank guided missile, which has top attack capabilities that can effectively engage and destroy all known enemy tanks during day and night. This will give ..

Reports claim that the MOD cleared the procurement of 300 Nag missiles and 25 13 modified BMP-2 ‘NAMICA’ carrier vehicles.


https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/2018/march/din-01march2018.pdf

Initially, the Army is likely to place an order for 443 Nag ATGMs and 13 NAMICA missile launch vehicles. In its perspective plan, the Army has projected the need for 7,000 Nag missiles and around 200 NAMICAs.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Shivaji » 18 Mar 2019 20:54

Karan M wrote:Is Nag even in series production? This guy seems to be making stuff up. Please inform where his info is corroborated.



Sir, by corroborated, I meant his info about sector and timing of clash is usually right. Other regular sources do not give details of weapons used.

Intent is to make data points available for Gurus to connects the dots.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 21:07

DAC clears procurement, yes. The final procurement happens after the finance team clears the proposal and orders are placed. Have the orders been placed, and serial production started? BDL does carry the Nag on its website now (no longer a trial prototype but actual product) but i find this Nag, Brahmos stuff weird because why use an expensive Nag when a Konkurs-M would have likely done the job?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 21:09

Here you go. While its possible trial units can be used in such a scenario, its just not very likely.

https://www.janes.com/article/86780/aer ... y-end-2019
22 Feb 2019.

The Nag anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) is finally set to enter production by the end of 2019 as confirmed by India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) at Aero India 2019.

The system will undergo final summer user trials in May-June this year after it successfully completed its winter user trials in December 2018. The user trials commenced after a protracted period of validation tests, in part due to the performance of the imaging infrared (IIR) seeker head.

MSR Prasad, Director General of Missiles and Strategic Systems (MSS) DRDO, told Jane’s , “We have completed a series of developmental trials in the past three years under PROSPINA (Product Support and Product Improvement and Induction of Nag) mission mode project.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 21:12

Shivaji wrote:
Karan M wrote:Is Nag even in series production? This guy seems to be making stuff up. Please inform where his info is corroborated.



Sir, by corroborated, I meant his info about sector and timing of clash is usually right. Other regular sources do not give details of weapons used.

Intent is to make data points available for Gurus to connects the dots.


Fair enough. Also, no sir for me please.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sanju » 18 Mar 2019 21:37

The area where the Paki Gunships were used as support is Makwal sector Jammu.

The above link is from Information Agency called News Front.

As per the twitter handle, Bababanaras, the ops are still on.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Mar 2019 21:55

IIRC - attack choppers are an escalation and will therefore need retalliation

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 18 Mar 2019 21:58

There is no confirmed news on the attack choppers. If there was a cobra usage and one of our troop got killed, it will all over the news.

Sputnik gave the news 6h back. It would have been a big news.

We will have to wait an see if something comes out.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby yensoy » 18 Mar 2019 22:00

Lalmohan wrote:IIRC - attack choppers are an escalation and will therefore need retalliation


If choppers are flying closer than 5km to the border/LoC they are violating the agreements in place and can be shot down at will. Maybe there is something in the topography which makes them difficult to target although that sector being discussed is at the start of the plains.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Mar 2019 22:08

i believe chopper line is 1km from LOC - easily within the range of cannons and ATGMs onboard.

btw clearly some dozens of Nags exist in hands of army. nothing like a real field test than artificial test. you can call it mountain trial if one wishes. Nag has a far heavier warhead than a man portable konkurs....8kg vs 2.7kg

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby khan » 18 Mar 2019 22:15

Lalmohan wrote:IIRC - attack choppers are an escalation and will therefore need retalliation

My thoughts exactly, I hope they take out the base that launched the attack helicopters. Essentially take out the squadron of attack helicopters.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Shivaji » 18 Mar 2019 22:25

First tweet on Makwal sector clash is from below source (even before Sputnik news report):

https://twitter.com/Peacefulrumi/status ... 7194603521
Burst fire by pakistan rangers/Army in Makwal sector and Pakistan side is head marala....Drones were noticed.
More official details awaited.
Makwal sector is in IB.

His latest tweet does not mention any Chopper use, only small arms fire.

https://twitter.com/Peacefulrumi/status ... 9122643969

"To all rumours: No helicopter were used by both sides of Army in Makwal (IB).
Situation is normal as only small arms fire initiated by both forces."

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Sanju » 18 Mar 2019 22:27

Another twitter handle posts about the Paki gunships:


Eztainutlacatl ~ळाळुक
‏ @cbkwgl
8m8 minutes ago

Qamar is losing his mind. He ordered a massive cross-border raid - infantry charge with chopper support near Makwal. It was horribly beaten back - the devastating reply India gave forced the choppers to retire and without air cover, the soldiers had to scamper back haphazardly.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Shivaji » 18 Mar 2019 22:31

Sanju wrote:Another twitter handle posts about the Paki gunships:


Eztainutlacatl ~ळाळुक
‏ @cbkwgl
8m8 minutes ago

Qamar is losing his mind. He ordered a massive cross-border raid - infantry charge with chopper support near Makwal. It was horribly beaten back - the devastating reply India gave forced the choppers to retire and without air cover, the soldiers had to scamper back haphazardly.


I was very happy to read that account few days back, but seems to be a good compilation of all the info in public domain. May or many not be true as his tweets usually follow other inputs that appear first.

May be mods can consider separate threads for tactical and strategic fall-out of Balakot as tweets are not always authentic and muddy the water.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Vikas » 18 Mar 2019 22:37

Too much trust in random tweets on this thread. No one knows about the real situation at the LOC, so wait for GoI to issue statement.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Mar 2019 22:44

KaranM, This page is read by pakis too.
And who is writing term or peer reviewed paper that they need to give sources for the pakis?
Why cant we take it as info and not processed intelligence?
As Raina says lets wait for GOI but mean time let info war go on.
Least we can do after that data base gaffe.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Mar 2019 22:49

Shivaji wrote:16-March --> Pakis attacked our BOP in Poonch sector with ATGM. Per Bababanaras, ATGM missed target and no damage.

17-March --> we fired ATGM on their BOP in Sundebani sector. We might have fried the cockroaches.

18-March --> Pakis retaliated today with ATGM in Keri-Battal area of Sundebani sector. News of few casualties.
https://twitter.com/firstpost/status/11 ... 2205380608

Details on participation on 23 March parade of Pakis:
https://theprint.in/defence/china-sends ... gn=browser

"The parade this year will feature flypasts by Turkish F-16s and Chinese J-10 aircraft, besides paratroop contingents from the Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka armed forces."

Why are Sri Lankans there?




Two points:
1) RayC would be so happy at this. IA motto is ek goli, ek dusman. Looks like its ek Nag, ek bunker! Wish the Nag had cleared those excessive trials long back.
2) I am wary of the Turkish F-16s. It could be a covert plan to exchange newer F-16s for the katara Fizzle ya F-16s. Would call the Turkish Ambassador and let them know beforehand.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Mar 2019 22:50

goi has merely just approved setting up a IW cell after balakot and 1000s of paki twitter engines being outed revealing the true shape of the serpent.
nobody knows in govt or pvt contractor hands.

in terms of hybrid war, we are on our own wherever we choose to fight, whether on forums or SM.

goi will even disguise and hide small victories going by babu wisdom on "optics" and "escalatory rhetoric", the entire political leadership is anyway on the election trail. we excel at not making the enemy look bad

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 22:52

Ramana, my concern was/is that we dont get played by Paki Infowar guys using social media/tweets. Next we will get a bunch of guys complaining about how Pak is using xxxx against us, and we arent doing anything..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Mar 2019 22:57

yes that is very possible. their whole game got exposed once that turd natsefjeff got outed. they could have fake names like karan and ramana for more credibility.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 23:00

Yep, exactly. Give some pro India stuff to start off, some anti PA rhetoric to set some credibility then twist the story.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Mar 2019 23:02

GD, Some facts from Balakot strike.
- Pak nuke bluff has been called.
-The JeM terrorists were taken from POK and housed in Balakot in KP province.
- Bunker/magazine defeated at Balakot. Pak cannot hide its nukes in such bunkers. Strike package was 12 SPICE 2Ks showing lot of inventory. This Israeli bunker buster is 25 % more capable then the Desert Storm maal.
- Non-military targets which people even here laughed gives India option to attack those bunkers looking for such targets.
- KSA, PRC and US understood and gave 3T to Jihad-e-Fistula and moved their inventory back.
- The bunkers suffering bun marks looks like third SS with long range assets.
- Means India has more assets than SPICE2K.
- Nowshera sector air battle shows IAF can defeat and best the Fizzle ya.
- MiG-21 Bison gored the F-16 Viper.
- 4-5 AMRAAMs were rendered useless. ELTA pod and ECM on Su-30 MKIs. One was believed shot down. Debris still being evaluated.
Recall I asked about continuous rod war head on Russian AAMs as opposed to fragmentation warhead on AMRAAM. Look at the pictures with open mind. Its a cut and not a shrapnel.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Mar 2019 23:04

KaranM so long as the tweet is linked no one can say we got played.
Its when cut and past trying to be too clever could cause issues.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 23:06

Problem is social media can be a very very dicey echo chamber.
Somewhat like this:

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So, just cautioning members to be a bit more circumspect before deciding IA/IAF are getting attacked by choppers and not retaliating.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Vikas » 18 Mar 2019 23:09

Look at Pakis, how they stick to the narrative of , " India (hindu) is against Daleets, Women and Minorities'. Rascals forget that this would constitute almost 70% of India and Dalits and women constitute majority of Hindus. But No, they stick to this narrative just like they like to claim and believe that somehow India can't rise without making peace with Bakis and handing over Kashmir to them forgetting that India already is the 3rd Largest economy in the world.

We too need to stick to the narrative about Pakis being a terrorists infested, Mullah driven, failing state with no money that almost has become Cheeni colony and is source of perturbation to the world peace.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 18 Mar 2019 23:11

ramana wrote:- 4-5 AMRAAMs were rendered useless. ELTA pod and ECM on Su-30 MKIs. One was believed shot down. Debris still being evaluated.


Which one was believed to be shot down?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 18 Mar 2019 23:12

We just need to keep hitting them with a focus on their officers. One of their attacks on us was purely because we attacked and took out a Paki brigadier rank officer. They are deeply feudal and dont care as much about losing 100 soldiers as much as 10 senior afsaraan. The pain they feel there is disproportionate.


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