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Aditya_V wrote:He states IAf is goign to show proof on Paki F-16 downed
Saar, he said IAF might show proof.. the agenda is still a guessing game.. I hope IAF gives proof of everything from Balakote to the couple of brahmos shoved up their empty nookular storage facilities..
Well, all that was shared with the journalists the day before was shown, the radar snapshots.. esp were interesting to see.. Please check out the Mig21 shoots down F-16 thread
Aditya_V wrote:Baba Banaras on Twitter there was a CAP of M 2000 Jaguar and SU 30 today?
Hehe, babaji also claimed that 6 Jaguars were part of the CAP. If IAF is sending Jaguars for CAP missions, our bad days have truly come.
Babaji should be careful to not show his ignorance on defense matters. He is performing his job as a psyops warrior which will be undermined by such slips.
nachiket wrote:
Hehe, babaji also claimed that 6 Jaguars were part of the CAP. If IAF is sending Jaguars for CAP missions, our bad days have truly come.
Babaji should be careful to not show his ignorance on defense matters. He is performing his job as a psyops warrior which will be undermined by such slips.
nachiket, it could mean that the 6 jags are ready for a dash across the border this time, if pakis try to lug in the steampunk PGMs into the party. Maybe target Gafoora's F16 counting booth in some base? Last time it was purely an A2A play, but this time instant A2G retaliation might be part of the IAF plan, basically chase the paki strike package all the way back to where it came from using the A2A loaded Su30MKI/M2ks, with the Jags stopping at PAF bases, snipping daisies.
Aditya_V wrote:Baba Banaras on Twitter there was a CAP of M 2000 Jaguar and SU 30 today?
Hehe, babaji also claimed that 6 Jaguars were part of the CAP. If IAF is sending Jaguars for CAP missions, our bad days have truly come.
Babaji should be careful to not show his ignorance on defense matters. He is performing his job as a psyops warrior which will be undermined by such slips.
Babaji makes spelling / grammar mistakes almost every tweet but all of a sudden crafts a perfectly worded tweet. I think he deliberately makes mistakes to create doubts that he could be a fraud.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — His country nearly went to war with a neighboring enemy six and a half times its size. Militants lurk in religious schools and in the countryside.
And with inflation soaring and debt ballooning, his finance team is scrambling, desperate to secure a multibillion-dollar rescue package to avoid economic collapse.
But Imran Khan, Pakistan’s prime minister, is apparently feeling confident about his first eight months in office — so much so that he invited a group of foreign journalists for an informal, hourlong chat on Tuesday in Islamabad, the capital.
While he seemed subdued, with puffy circles under his eyes, Mr. Khan also sought to project resolve — particularly about ridding Pakistan of the militants it once tolerated.
“We have decided, for the future of our country — forget the outside pressure — we will not allow armed militias to operate anymore,’’ he said.
“The Pakistan Army created them,’’ he said, referring to the 1980s when Pakistan and the United States backed Muslim insurgents in Afghanistan against Soviet forces.
But, he added, “there is no use for these groups anymore.’’
Anujan ji, hence the sneaky term "Armed Militias" instead of terrorists. But what constitutes an Armed Militia I wonder?
One could very well say that every wedding from Kraachi to Darra Adam Khel has an armed militia doing AK-Phyrr, (sometimes doing it ON surrounding abduls). Will the great khan ban all of them?
Anujan ji, you are right. Musharraf has always accepted openly that LeT & JuD were doing jihad only outside Pakistan. So, it is our duty to eliminate these jihadists inside Pakistan itself so that they won't do it outside and sully the fair name of Terroristan. We have to now turn our attention to LeT/JuD and help Terroristan in its endeavours to eliminate 'armed militia' or 'non-state actors' or whatever.
“The Pakistan Army created them,’’ he said, referring to the 1980s when Pakistan and the United States backed Muslim insurgents in Afghanistan against Soviet forces.
But, he added, “there is no use for these groups anymore.’’
Is Im the Dim angling for both the Nobel Prize and the Lamp Post prize at the same time???
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IMO It's time to start the 'coup clock'.
I give it less than a month.
Probably a false-flag scenario: Some jihadi will get through all the security the PMO's office could muster (much of which will vanish in the last 30 seconds of the regime, only to return promptly after the follow-up blast or whatever instantly kills the assassin -- so no one to ask questions of).
Or maybe an incident in flight or otherwise in travel; something complicated and not immediately blamable on the generals.
There'll be a state of emergency for a brief period, then military rule as per usual. Stabilization funds will flow thereafter.
My wager: Within 30 days from now. (I know, I'm leaving a wide window, because I'm not "a betting man" usually.)
One other certainty, I'd bet on: If a war breaks-out now, there will be no way (politically tenable) to stop it before polling ENDS six-weeks from now. They know this, so I'd expect peace during the election cycle. Six weeks is a long time to spend in the meat grinder; and the four fathers are counting on those troops to protect their own behinds (both from Iran, and their own ummah). JMT
Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:^^^^^^^^^^
IMO It's time to start the 'coup clock'.
I give it less than a month.
Probably a false-flag scenario: Some jihadi will get through all the security the PMO's office could muster (much of which will vanish in the last 30 seconds of the regime, only to return promptly after the follow-up blast or whatever instantly kills the assassin -- so no one to ask questions of).
Or maybe an incident in flight or otherwise in travel; something complicated and not immediately blamable on the generals.
There'll be a state of emergency for a brief period, then military rule as per usual. Stabilization funds will flow thereafter.
My wager: Within 30 days from now. (I know, I'm leaving a wide window, because I'm not "a betting man" usually.)
Highly doubt it
The jernails will not risk making him a martyr in the eyes of the awaam.
They will first systematically destroy the artificially created pedestal on which he stands and discredit him in every which way. And his Western connections and links will take some time to be neutralised.
Then and only then will he be halaaled
But even then it is highly unlikely.
Of course some paki jernails may show their usual strategic brilliance and do what you have said
TSPA are in a cozy-comfy situation. Regardless of the economy, their funds are uninterrupted and uninterruptable. Dimmy (together with Ganja and Zardaari) gets the brickbats and the blame for the economic situation.
Why would they want to disrupt this arrangement?
Ofcourse, getting their Musharrafs laal at the LoC is there, but Baki awaam are both unaware and uncaring about it. Their ire is completely directed at the hukmaraan.
Why would the Koop when they anyways are running the country and also getting all the accolades.
Immy will be around for 2-3 years till the country drowns in Financial crisis or a new event makes Paki important in the eyes of 4-fathers again, then it would be Jernail time.
Plus isn't there some US law automatically stopping (some kind of, not sure if it applied only to CSF) aid if the civilian govt is overthrown? Given their straitened circumstances, I don't think they'd risk any dollar inflow, however small.
“We have decided, for the future of our country — forget the outside pressure — we will not allow armed militias to operate anymore,’’ he said.
But, he added, “there is no use for these groups anymore.’’
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Interesting quote in there.
They came in bombed our trees
We went and bombed their stones.
and yet I promise from here onwards that I shall not operate armed militias to operate anymore and deconstruct them as they have no place going forward.
Now if he can only just elaborate if it was Pine Tree's Uncle or Daddy that whooped his ass and brought him into reality that militias have no place in Pakistan's future.
Pakistani is a shit hole society that is a kalank on the world map.
People need to see Operation Balakot beyond the bombing of targets in POK and Pakistan.
From bits and pieces of information available online, it is my considered opinion that GOI is using multiple means to increase the cost to Pakistan of creating terror in Indian.
Now, the COST has two aspects - (1) Monetary (2) Sociological
We're looking at first option here. Consider the news over last 2-months:
(1) Pakistan has been trying desperately to find out army's ongoing activities in general area of Sri Ganganagar and has ended-up loosing few drones in the process. Any guesses why?
Well, just look-up the map of the area. Anoopgarh-Sri Ganganagar-Abohar sector is important from mechanized warfare perspective. Opposite to it in Pakistan lies the area of Bahawalpur (in-depth)-Fort Abbas-Bahawalnagar. This area is prime tank country and hunting ground of 10 Corps and 2 Strike Corps.
Now, marry the above information about Indian Army Chief visiting mechanized formations in desert in north Rajasthan. 2+2 will tell you that India had ostensibly moved mechanized formations for 'exercise' into the area. And it seems Pakistan also had to take precautionary movement of assets.
Something similar also happened in South Gujarat area where a Pakistani drone was shot by IAF Spyder missile.
(2) All these talks of IAF fighters on patrol or flying close to international border. PAF cannot take chance and has to scramble assets. It also needs to maintain CAP over sensitive installations.
And we don't even know what games Indian Navy is playing in Arabian Sea and how this is keeping Pakistan Navy and its surveillance assets busy.
All these scrambles, CAP, mobilization will also eat into life of equipment and shoot-up the spare-part requirements. Pakistan is being forced to use up its OPEX and spare parts.
All this costs money.
By forcing Pakistan to be on tenterhooks and getting it to undertake counter movement, India has just increased the cost of terrorism to Pakistan.
As for India, well, we just agreed to by 464 T-90MS tanks from Russia for USD 1.93 billion! That's like buying tanks equivalent to 1.5 times an existing armored division of Indian Army. Note, not Pakistan Army because PA Armored Division is smaller than IA's armored division.
If you look at their standard narrative, they, as in the ispr mouth breathers, always lay the blame at the feet of the government. Be it diplomacy, finance etc.
If the army becomes in charge, whom do they blame for their woes. They need a scapegoat. They abosultely do not want the ownership of the mess.
Besides, what exactly are they missing by not being officially in charge of the country?
To summarize on Balakot porkies have lost
1. 200+ Jihadies
2. 1 F16, (others in other strikes)
3. 5-6 AMRAAMs
4. At least 2-3 Drones
5. belief that PAF will be able to defend, as they can't penetrate in india
6. Through ASAT that they can deliver nukes to India (operational BMD)
7. Their nukes, OK this is a fake news
Anything else that I missed?
Rohit add
- FM removing the MFN and imposing 200% tariff on Paki goods.
- They need to find markets for about $2B goods.
- Ban on tomato and other exports
- DeMo has hit them hard as the fake currency was being used to deliver Gunga-Jamuni jiziya
SaiK has been tracking INR vs PKR rates.
Its now 1$ = 147 PKR. + 2 in black market.
Coup will happen only not what we are thinking.
Jihad-e-fistula has three groups not equal in number or power.
Careerists, mercantilists, and jihadists
Unlike what US was telling with SPD tamasha the nooks, ISI, and terrorists are with the last group.
The last group is running the TSP down.
So to save themselves the other two will have an internal purge/coup.
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Ou problem is everyone forgets all they learn and let bias dominate.
Yes big nooks are taken back to KSA under massa custody.
Essentially the threat of Zia ul Haq that he will raze Bombay and Hyderabad is gone.
Or on Amritsar. Finis.
The gleam in the Brigadier's eye is now filled with a cataract.
NPA is Duplicity are frothing and can't do zilch.
Three SPICE on Balakot did the trick.
Some chotus are still there but not in large number.
They keep shifting in those colored lorries to avoid being truck-jacked by non-military assets.
This is what happened in February. All of the month.
No Coup is likely to happen anytime soon. Jernails have become too smart now and neither is there a need when they actually wield absolute power without the responsibility of governance.
Besides Im the Dim is still popular. If he run foul of jernails, expect them to whip up law and order issues with assorted mullahs aligned to army and embarrass and sully his name before they bring up another puppet.
Soft coo is the preferred dish of the TFTA jernails.
Pak army will not need to take any assertive or overt action to do a coup. They just have to wait another 3-6 months when the full effect of the IMF mandated budget measures will be felt. The AOA baying abduls/ayeshas on the street will create the perfect condition for the jernails to do a soft coup.
