Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Khalsa » 05 Jun 2019 14:16

I don't know why so many on BR are disappointed that Kaiser Tufail is singing the Pakistani song...


Last I checked his passport is Pakistani.

Get over it boys. He is good enemy, he is loyal and supporting his flag. If you want to get a reality check then check one his interviews in which he dissess the Tejas over the JF-17 especially if they get into a knife fight with each other. Overall he is generally dismissive of all delta winged a/c, apparently they bleed energy much quickly and can be brought to the heel by an expert driver.

If you like his 1999 articles its only because he exposed the lack of BVR capability within PAF.
They fixed that issue and were able to create a temporary sanitised bubble over India by mass firing the AMRAAMs and therefore create an opportunity for the thunders to launch whatever they did.

The covered their exits with some ambush tactics with a hidden contingent hitting Abhi from the flank. Good planning on their side indeed.
We created and did something exactly like in 71 ourselves on the western front.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Jun 2019 10:57

Pakis generally tell the start telling the truth only 10-15 years after an event, this true of all previous wars Kargil etc. Till 2010 it was Mujahaideen in Kargil. They will tell the truth about 27 Feb some years down the line.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 10 Jun 2019 11:04

Bakis will do as they are wont to, when will we start telling our side of the story more effectively.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby gakakkad » 10 Jun 2019 17:36

Aditya_V wrote:Pakis generally tell the start telling the truth only 10-15 years after an event, this true of all previous wars Kargil etc. Till 2010 it was Mujahaideen in Kargil. They will tell the truth about 27 Feb some years down the line.


I don't think there is going to be a Pakistan 10-15 years down the line.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 18:08

Aditya_V wrote:Pakis generally tell the start telling the truth only 10-15 years after an event, this true of all previous wars Kargil etc. Till 2010 it was Mujahaideen in Kargil. They will tell the truth about 27 Feb some years down the line.

it's also because of regime changes...mushy was there till late 2000s and the guys make money by telling sensational stuff for indian lutyens media which invites these cretins happily for aack thoo sessions. we'll hear soon about balakot.
That said I suspect we did incur Su30 losses on the amraam. Not that I believe natsec jeff but a gut feeling tells me that ..dont have any cogent story..but the fact we didnt press things under the RoE ..esp after the heli loss and mig 21 loss speaks volumes makes me suspect. I stayed silent at that time but now i think we must see that the lessons are learnt.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Bart S » 10 Jun 2019 18:12

^You cannot hide an SU-30 crash in India. Period. Let us not second guess the IAF and GOI who have a long history of being open and transparent about setbacks.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby hnair » 10 Jun 2019 18:47

ArjunPandit wrote:That said I suspect we did incur Su30 losses on the amraam. Not that I believe natsec jeff but a gut feeling tells me that ..dont have any cogent story..but the fact we didnt press things under the RoE ..esp after the heli loss and mig 21 loss speaks volumes makes me suspect. I stayed silent at that time but now i think we must see that the lessons are learnt.


Easy now, with the "we" usages. Keep gut-feel et al strictly in your social media handles. Not here

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Jun 2019 19:04

India has not had any internet black outside like POK, plus media have more than enough sources in AF. Especially with GE 2019 being there an SU30 loss would have been covered, impossible for IAF to cover up. So let's leave this BS as it is.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 10 Jun 2019 20:17

I'll probably regret mentioning this- but I was so outraged and disgusted yesterday while scanning the NY Times over the past one week. Pankaj Mishra( what a shocker) wrote a typical negative, derogatory, sour pus article about Narendra Modi's election win.

Bad as it was, the remarks about Balakot really take the cake. The guy at this late stage still propagates the silliness about 'only trees were hit', and the idea of hundreds of terrorists being killed was fake news. Didn't he know that three separate Indian news channels showed proof of the strikes, that an Italian journalist confirmed it, and that the IAF is absolutely certain of the success?

I guess it's not necessary to refer to the likes of Mishra in this forum. But I just had to :x

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 20:39

i would rather get rodgered here and learn something...than go out and BS in SM and be a pakistani..points taken..

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Prem Kumar » 10 Jun 2019 23:59

Varoon: Pankaj Mishra is beneath contempt. He is a typical sepoy (the Indian equivalent of a House Negro), who likes to eat crumbs from the white man to spit on the natives. NYT, WaPo etc uses these sepoys to take potshots at India/Hindus because if a white man does so directly, he will be called racist

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Jun 2019 02:13

he's JNU MA English lit, what else do you expect from him?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Jun 2019 20:56

Varoon Shekhar wrote:I'll probably regret mentioning this- but I was so outraged and disgusted yesterday while scanning the NY Times over the past one week. Pankaj Mishra( what a shocker) wrote a typical negative, derogatory, sour pus article about Narendra Modi's election win.


Aiyyoooo! Welcome to BRF. Being shocked at Pankaj Mishra is like saying that one is shocked to see the Mahishasura eating small children and bissing on a yaga. This is how he earns his living and wins Prizes from the racists for being a good little wog. Others whose writing should never shock you:
Arundhati Roy
Sagarika Ghose
Angana Chatteriji
Pra-fool Badai (or is is Bidwai?) Is he still around?

Small list, but don't want to spring all on you at one shot, or you may think I am some kind of Hindu Nationalist. :eek:

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Jun 2019 21:05

But what shocks ME is that there was another terrorist attack on Wednesday at Anantnag, 5 CRPF people killed, and not a peek on BRF!!! I looked several times if I had the month or year wrong, what is going on pls? Is there a separate BRF that no one told me about, and left me out of? :((

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Jun 2019 21:42

Sad we can discuss in J&K thread.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby fanne » 15 Jun 2019 23:06

ArjunPandit wrote:That said I suspect we did incur Su30 losses on the amraam. Not that I believe natsec jeff but a gut feeling tells me that ..dont have any cogent story..but the fact we didnt press things under the RoE ..esp after the heli loss and mig 21 loss speaks volumes makes me suspect.
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We lost a Heli and a Mig 21, sure we did when the fight was going on. The info on Mig 21 down came some 20-30 minutes after the fact, the Heli much more later. So unless the IAF pilot had an information time machine or watching AP CNN on their MFD (instead of fighting), they would not know that Mig 21 was shot down or a Heli was down (that incident btw happened some 50-100 KM away, they could not have even witnessed it).

They did fight, and did not pursue as the ROE was not to shoot (which must have changed to shoot as soon as they knew they had incoming AMARAAM), certainly ROE would have restricted pursuing into TSP air space (it doesn't sound logical that you were shot so now you can fly any where in TSP and shoot plane).
Most logical conclusion is, TSPAF had laid an ambush, IAF plane was quick to recognize that, plus they were providing air cover to oil dump and perhaps airport of Pathankot so the mission was to protect that airspace (and not get into knife fight). Imagine they have pursued the F-16, leaving the air space open, and TSPAF plane had a go at Pathankot air base...that would be stupid. They dozed incoming AMARAAMs (that was mainly shot to disperse, and they achieved their objective). SU30MKI pilots did the right thing, dodge them, it would be stupid to - that since F-16 have shot the AMRAAM from long distance, let me go close and help it make a easy kill. It had nothing to do with SU30MKI down. Please get out of your fear and theories and phobias.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby sanjayc » 16 Jun 2019 01:14

UlanBatori wrote:Pra-fool Badai (or is is Bidwai?) Is he still around?


He kicked the bucket in 2015 in Netherlands (his sponsor).

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 16 Jun 2019 01:16

I have a "feeling" that TSPA HQ incurred losses that night. Re-Lie-Able sources indicate that all the lotas-e-pakistan went missing at the same time as Jarnails took them downstairs to the Mahal-e-bum

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 16 Jun 2019 06:11

fanne wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:


We lost a Heli and a Mig 21, sure we did when the fight was going on. The info on Mig 21 down came some 20-30 minutes after the fact, the Heli much more later. So unless the IAF pilot had an information time machine or watching AP CNN on their MFD (instead of fighting), they would not know that Mig 21 was shot down or a Heli was down (that incident btw happened some 50-100 KM away, they could not have even witnessed it).

They did fight, and did not pursue as the ROE was not to shoot (which must have changed to shoot as soon as they knew they had incoming AMARAAM), certainly ROE would have restricted pursuing into TSP air space (it doesn't sound logical that you were shot so now you can fly any where in TSP and shoot plane).
Most logical conclusion is, TSPAF had laid an ambush, IAF plane was quick to recognize that, plus they were providing air cover to oil dump and perhaps airport of Pathankot so the mission was to protect that airspace (and not get into knife fight). Imagine they have pursued the F-16, leaving the air space open, and TSPAF plane had a go at Pathankot air base...that would be stupid. They dozed incoming AMARAAMs (that was mainly shot to disperse, and they achieved their objective). SU30MKI pilots did the right thing, dodge them, it would be stupid to - that since F-16 have shot the AMRAAM from long distance, let me go close and help it make a easy kill. It had nothing to do with SU30MKI down. Please get out of your fear and theories and phobias.

Fanne can you edit your post, Arjun Pandit post is being attributed to me.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby fanne » 16 Jun 2019 08:49

done!!

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 16 Jun 2019 11:23

Thanks


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