hnair wrote:Karan M, in this BVR vs BVR missile discussions, the lacunae exhibited by our side's ADS in challenging these morons creeping towards LOC is getting drowned out. One of the big concerns raised by someone I talked to is "What the heck were the AD guys doing?". His point was it was not the WgCdr alone who should have been boldly challenging the pakis' bluff. Hopefully there is going to be some B8 solutions deployed in JK UT areas! That way, crossing LOC et al by IAF jocks wont matter.
Million dollar question is - how could've AD Artillery intervened? Through what assets?
- Our longest range SAM as of now is Akash. Which in case of IAF is based in/around major air force bases. And the ones with the army are with Corps in plains.
- Even for Akash to make a difference, the battery would've had to be based bang on the LOC.
- Long story short - We simply don't have enough AD assets. And for the kind of deterrence you're talking about, we've ZERO assets.
This is where MR_SAM and S-400 become very critical.
For the first time, they give us tiered SAM based AD cover. With 70-100 km range, MR_SAM gives AD cover to a vast geography. And gives the flexibility to extends the SAM AD cover right up to border/LOC (if required).
Same goes for S-400. The mix of missiles gives allows us to provide AD cover in-depth. We can envision outer-bubble of S-400 (200 Km range), with inner bubble of MR_SAM and point defense by Akash and SPYDER/QR_SAM.
But gain, how much geography we can cover depends on how many systems we get.
Also talked to another guy who retired from AD artillery. Says that old staple of siachen photos, the ZU-23-twins derivatives are scary as hell in the mountains, due to bursts. Apparently he had to witness people around him die for no reason. They seem to be getting replaced. But the pakis seem to love it too and have a huge stock. Casual explanation is that some meesha-festooned jernail of theirs have been watching too many WW2 era ack-ack videos, but then caution says they might have slaved it to fire-control systems. If that is the case, they might have a dense anti-PGM solution (if they can keep all those barrels maintained!). Any insights into that aspect of theirs? Wiki lists 5000 (which if true is a huge maintenance nightmare!)
ZSU-23-2 forms part of Light AD Regiments of AD Corps. These are mounted on high-mobility 4x4 and 6x6; IA also mixes them with MANPADS and these are called Light AD Regiments (Composite). With DRDO developed Tactical Control Radars (TCR) finding their way into AD Regiments, these units have long range eyes to ensure they're not surprised (even if they provide point defense). BTW, ZSU-23-2 has been upgraded extensively by BEL.