MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Aug 2020 17:45

Drip by drip some more details

https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1293862419836465152

8 JF17s playing hide & seek at 'safe range + 25 km (extra safe)' from Mica armed M2000s were valiant indeed Winking face. No Pakistani ever ask them Thunder boys the moot question - bhaijan, why no SD10 launch from your side even with a gross numerical superiority during #SwiftRetort? Thinking face


The F16's were firing away the much more expensive and rarer Amraams, so conserving SD10A can't be the answer.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby LakshmanPST » 14 Aug 2020 15:53

https://youtu.be/zxRgfBXn6Mg

A very detailed video of the first day of Operation Desert Storm...
The coalition forces seem to have shotdown lot of Iraqi MIGs with BVRs... No wonder Pakis are obsessed with this war...
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Posting it here since the reference came up multiple times... Mods may move it to appropriate thread if deemed irrelevant here...

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Shameek » 15 Aug 2020 20:50

^^ The BVR part is true, but the coalition had overwhelming superiority both in terms of numbers and technology. They had 10's of AWACS and a full overview of the battle space. Even then they lost aircraft on the first day. Such is the fog of war.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby brar_w » 15 Aug 2020 21:21

Shameek wrote:^^ The BVR part is true, but the coalition had overwhelming superiority both in terms of numbers and technology. They had 10's of AWACS and a full overview of the battle space. Even then they lost aircraft on the first day. Such is the fog of war.


Superiority yes. The force from a technology and structure perspective was geared to fight the USSR and was also at peak readiness. But still, just one air-air loss over 100,000 sorties. Nearly all other combat losses were due to surface-to-air fires. The fog of war also has something to do with technology being used for the first time and the challenges that this presents with human factor performance (you never fully know of your training, leadership/doctrine or equipment deficiencies until you go into combat) . No one had ever used AWACS, JSTARS, resilient deployable C2, or PGM's and GPS at that scale before so that these things would work as intended was far from guaranteed. The first GW was essentially a "trial by fire" for assault breaker.
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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby manjgu » 15 Aug 2020 22:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4LZ3Vl9FPI&t=568s ( not sure if posted before) PAF pilot discusses Rafale..usual bluster !

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby MeshaVishwas » 16 Aug 2020 03:26

manjgu wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4LZ3Vl9FPI&t=568s ( not sure if posted before) PAF pilot discusses Rafale..usual bluster !


Yup saw this classic.
Mango Abdul-e-Mirage Ghazi McBaldy was just brilliant. The range quoted for the ChinaStronkk PL15 is :lol:

You also need to check out the one, the wonlee, 2Fail in a Q&A with a Brit.(Aircrew Interview channel YouTube)
Will definitely give you a giggle.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby chetonzz » 16 Aug 2020 11:30

MeshaVishwas wrote:
manjgu wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4LZ3Vl9FPI&t=568s ( not sure if posted before) PAF pilot discusses Rafale..usual bluster !


Yup saw this classic.
Mango Abdul-e-Mirage Ghazi McBaldy was just brilliant. The range quoted for the ChinaStronkk PL15 is :lol:

You also need to check out the one, the wonlee, 2Fail in a Q&A with a Brit.(Aircrew Interview channel YouTube)
Will definitely give you a giggle.


Kindly provide link

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Rakesh » 17 Aug 2020 23:53

https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1 ... 25824?s=20 ----> This 'complete' AIM-120C5 AMRAAM debris - recovered near an Indian village on 27 February 2019, exposes Hassan Siddiqui's FALSE CLAIM. I wonder if the morons at F-16.net will still believe that a PAF AMRAAM actually hit an Indian Sukhoi after seeing this image.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Rakesh » 17 Aug 2020 23:55

https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1 ... 65152?s=20 ---> Eight JF-17s playing hide & seek at 'safe range + 25 km (extra safe)' from Mica armed Mirage 2000s were valiant indeed. No Pakistani ever ask them Thunder boys the moot question => bhaijan, why no SD-10 launch from your side even with a gross numerical superiority during Swift Retort?

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Rakesh » 18 Aug 2020 00:24

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/129 ... 34594?s=20 ---> As the IAF chief takes a spin in a MiG-21 Bison, posting the very interesting chat we did last February with Angad Singh on this fighter type, and why it isn't easily dismissed.



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